>iconic game has a huge plothole that destroys the entire narrative

>game's spinoff plugs that plothole (badly)

>>717299983 (OP)
Are eagles really immune to projectiles?

>>717299983 (OP)
Why doesn't the big bird just eat the tiny primate

>>717299983 (OP)
>the allies could've just dropped a bomb on Hitler's mansion and the war would've been over quick
Faggots retards mongrels monkeys insects

Every plothole in why they didnt do XYZ with The Ring was addressed. They ask in Fellowship why dont they just toss it into the ocean and deduce that it would eventually be fished up and end up back in Saurons hands. The Ring affects all life, Gandalf too who is a demigod angel. All of this nonsense is just avoiding the one simple fact: it needs to be destroyed in the fires of Mt. Doom. You could toss it into a cavern that is 20,000 feet below sea level and it gets carried by some underground vermin to the surface and Saurons already won by that point.

>>717299983 (OP)
Wouldn't the big eye see the big birds approaching?

>>717299983 (OP)
So basically every FF game.

>>717299983 (OP)
How does destroying the space station in Prey 2017 prevent the black goop space aliens from reaching Earth? The only thing this accomplishes is destroying the research that could have been used to fight the black goop monsters.

>>717299983 (OP)
read hobbit
eagles deathly afraid of arrows from even simple man

>iconic game keeps getting exposed as highly flawed by younger generations of players

>>717306032
>afraid
more like not worth the risk to help out some greedy midgets never shit talk eagles ever again subhuman landtroon

>>717305939
are you retarded?

>random NPC could resolve the game's plot if they could only be made to care

>>717299983 (OP)
Eagle thing was always a midwit meme, if you aren't retarded and think about it for 5 seconds you realize immediately why they didn't do it.

>>717306176
No? The black goop monsters came from outer space. They were not created on the space station... but the plot seems to assume that is the case.

>>717306065
lolwat

>>717306224
>random unexplained event that has nothing to do with the plot and isn't addressed again
i really love this type of shit

>>717306065
>twitter idiot doesn't know what he's talking about
Sam was being affected by the ring during the whole trip. And even holds onto it for a time while Frodo is captured.

>>717306615
and you gained what by wasting mental bandwidth debunking a screenshot of some retard

okay what's the ring a metaphor of

>>717306741
Awh. Angry someone called out your dumb post?

>>717299983 (OP)
The eagles are higher beings just like Gandalf and Galadriel. They would be corrupted if they got hold of the ring.

>>717306851
Evil

>>717306851
tolkien didn't like metaphors

>>717299983 (OP)
>media illiterate midwits regurgitate the same misunderstanding for over a decade

>>717306851
Big finance.

>>717306065
>give Ring of Power to a small mouse
>becomes the Rat King and humans become a minority in Rohan and Gondor within twenty years

why didn't he just kill the mindflayers?

>TALION QUIT FUCKING THAT HOT GOTH SPIDER WE HAVE TO GET THE PALANTIR. TALION REEEEEEEEEEE

>>717299983 (OP)
Saurian would've laser blasted the eagles. Samuel and Freddy only succeeded because Agent Dawn was banging on his doorstep while they were carousing with Golem inside the volcano.

>>717300745
>The Ring affects all life
*Laughs in Tom Bombadil*

>Prequel is cooler than the original game

>>717307004
Reading comprehension or autism

>>717308042
Morgoth wasn't that big. The funniest part of The Silmarillion is that Morgoth knocked on Feanor's door, killed his dad and then just took the Silmarils and fucked off. It always seemed so casual.

>>717299983 (OP)
>plothole

>>717299983 (OP)

The whole plan relied on secrecy and hobbit's resistance to corruption. Even then they needed God's intervention.
If they used the eagles, and if they didn't get corrupt, it's safe to assume Sauron would know about their plan, fortify Mount Doom and maybe shit up some flying creatures to defend tbe skies.
The canon answer is that the eagles only answer to Manwë, and he and the valar promised to not interfere in the fate of the people of Middle Earth. The eagles solving the Sauron problem would cross that line.

totk proved to me that zoomoids dont know what the fuck a "plot hole" even is, they use it to mean "thing I'm too fucking stupid to put together myself"

>>717300736
this ffs

>>717306383
It's the best. It's almost like there's a whole world out there outside of the immediate events at hand, but the retard OP isn't able to comprehend that simple fact.

>>717308621
To be fair these dumbasses have been around since tolkien published, there was an interview or letter write in or something where some midwit tried to do a gotya on him.

>>717308202
He can literally change form at will, like all Valar (and Maiar), we are told this on the Valaquenta. He was trying to look amiable to the elves, so he first took on a chill shape, like Sauron did later, but when the gig was up he took on a shape fit for fighting, we are explicitly told his steps rent the earth and made pits.

>Walk 30 feet away from the shire
>Find a cache of priceless first age weapons
>Twice

>>717307749
Tom Bombadil was the god of the last creation, he's like God Emeritus. His little slice of woods is a courtesy, like a retirement, offered by the new creator.

>>717309329
Is he alive? Then he's still part of "all life".

>>717309604
No. "Life" is not some linguistic platonic ideal in Erda. Life is part of the song of Iluvatar. Tom's song is a buried motif that is in parallel to Iluvatar's song, so he's not part of "life". He's just "alive".

>>717309835
>so he's not part of "life". He's just "alive".
If he ain't part of life then the hobbits shouldn't have been able to interact with him. Sounds more like you're making up all sorts of nonsense just because it got pointed out that Tommy boy isn't affected by the ring.

>>717309115
Just to make it clear what the inspiration for this is. The "wizard" archetype in mythology, not superstition, is Odin. Odin is based upon Mithras, and human magic practitioners would have to initiate into the footsteps of Mithras by mastering the spheres represented by the "gods".
Catholicism represents these "gods" as archangels, and esoteric Christianity has Christ walk the steps of the archangels (in the model of Solomon and Jacob) to assume the mantle of the Heavenly High Priest.

You can think of the Maiar as Archangels and the Valar as Aions.

"Shut up" - Tolkein

>>717309967
The ability to interact in limited ways with the outside world, according to rules, is something Iluvatar including in his song as a courtesy to his predecessor.
There's a reason why Bombadil can touch the ring with no problem, and why he's also unable to keep it. His little girlfriend is basically Gaia but rendered down to the position of a forest nymph.

>>717299983 (OP)
what people who push the eagle narrative fail to realize is that eagles also have ambition
the eagle king would take the one ring in a heartbeat and no one could stop him
he would usher in the Age of Avians as the new lord of the ring

>>717306065
>>717306741
Sam was affected and that's part of what makes him one of, if not, the best characters. He actually grows quite a bit and by the end of the 3rd movie he's more of a hero than some of the "major" characters/fighters. The main warriors know shits gonna hit the fan. Sam has some freaky, malnourished hobbit fucking hit shit up out of nowhere half the time and then has to fuck with a giant spider to save Frodo. A spider that most likely would've fucked up Aargon, Legolas, and Gimili, even if that fought together. Stfu if you think Rudy didn't carry the whole fucking franchise desu.

>>717309967
I'm not some expert in Tolkien lore. But if what the other guy says is true, there are other characters who work outside of "gods song." Morgoth is another who is outside of the boundaries. Singing "in discord with the song of Arda." So it's possible there's other characters who could be as well.

Tom is probably just off singing his own song. Like a kid who's bored and just starts singing something from Bluey while his parents dragged him to a Mozart concert.

> Why do they only use the highly-visible flying creatures AFTER they defeated the magical evil tower that sees all?

>>717300745
Okay but what if you tossed it into a different volcano?

>>717306615
the better question is that it why not just make an extremely long pole and put the ring on that since it seems to be affected by proximity

Isn't Gandalf itself the plothole? Gandalf the white is actually far more powerful than is depicted and could solve nearly all problems in the film. However he is only allowed to interfere in limited ways but how much he interferes is so inconsistent he is pretty much just a plot device that can be always used whenever needed by the plot to do whatever needed.

for non autists the thread is about why they walked on an urgent mission instead of taking fast travel

>>717310840
Lord of the Rings takes very subtle inspiration from Christianity so he is like an angel where he isn't allowed to interfere unless he is

>>717300745
Them bringing up every other option makes it even more suspicious that no one at the council suggested riding eagles

>>717300736
Does Mordor have early warning radar, Flak towers and constant aerial fighter patrols?

>>717310840
Gandalf is commentary on grace vs. works. Gandalf does what is within the ability of men (mostly) but which they fail to do through their fallen natures. His intervention parallels that of Christ, who lived a perfect mortal life that technically any mortal could have lived, but no one ever does.
Gandalf is an artifact of grace. He can't do much beyond what men *could* do or it breaks the rules and causes discord in the song. However, he can do what men *won't* do as a grace from above.

>>717299983 (OP)
>the entire game is a plothole

The god in lord of the rings is the greater will from elden ring, Elden Ring is emo fan fiction of a popular fantasy series, they even both have Ring in their name

>>717311268
ring and finger finger on the ring the ring finger

>>717311268
Iluvatar intervenes insanely hard in Middle Earth it's ridiculous, and on top of that the entire existence of elves but especially men is a huge fucking mystery no one understands at all outside of the guy at the top.

>>717306290
It's a simulation retard. It doesn't matter.

>>717311213
>b-but he is only like Jesus
Yeah, amazing plot. Tolkien.

>goes on to endlessly plow Rosie's fertile red puss
Sam won. Sam won. Sam won. Sam won. Sam won. Sam won. Sam won. Sam won. Sam won.

>>717311461
No he's not like Jesus. He represents God's position on faith vs. works, he's constrained by those rules.

>>717311462
After half the region was in there she was finally ready to settle.

>>717299983 (OP)
The eagles are sentient. They would be tempted by the ring just as boromir, gandalf, and galadriel were.

>>717299983 (OP)
>>717300745
The Eagles would have been taken down by the dragon-things the Ring Wraithes were flying, when Sauron was alive and active, once he was gone, everyone was scattered and air ways were clear for extraction by eagle.

>>717299983 (OP)
The Eagles would also be tempted by the ring and could easily kill Frodo and take it for themselves (that is if they weren’t killed along the way by the Ringwraiths). Not a plothole at all if you paid attention

>>717311502
That means literally nothing and he is still just a plot device. Only things we know is he can't go all out and that he is allowed to use magic to some degree but refuses to do so 95% of the time.

>>717306851
The Ring is the desire for power and immortality. Its primary function is to extend your life and make you better at everything you do. It also by doing so enslaved you to Sauron’s will overtime

>>717310523
It's funny how Sam gets the traditional Happy Ending too, he gets the hottest hobbit girl in the Shire, his crush and has like 20 kids PLUS he keeps all the gold and loot he gof from the trip and gifts elfs and dwarves and men piled on him... so he ends up like the richest dude in the Shire and probably Middle Earth.

>>717300736
except they specifically didn't want to kill him because they realized he's a fucking idiot and killing him would make someone smarter replace him

>>717311091
yes actually

>>717299983 (OP)
>fly the eagles to Mordor
>the 5,000 foot tower (i looked it up) with a GIGANTIC FUCKING EVIL ALL SEEING EYE AT THE TOP OF IT immediately notices
>Nazgul flyer(s) immediately intercept
>Sauron wins

>>717299983 (OP)
>plothole
its a discussion for midwit retards who think they're solving world hunger by discussing fictions

Imagine if Nintendo had bought Lord of the Rings instead of trying to buy Harry Potter back in 1997 haha

>destroy ring
>all other magic dies
Was it worth it?

>>717311994
>I accomplished nothing of value and call others retarded as my personal evidence for my intelligence because I have nothing of actual substance but selective memory and denial

>Hurrr durrr why didn’t X take the ring? Why didn’t they do X.
Tolkien literally could not have made it clearer that only hobbits were resistant enough to the rings influence to have a CHANCE of destroying it
Because they would have been corrupted and the free peoples would have been enslaved to darkness.
Aragorn and his armies would have LOST had the ring not been destroyed. All of middle earth would have fallen to Sauron’s overwhelming might, of which he was saving his best and most powerful soldiers behind the black gate.
Also Frodo LOST, he succumbed to the rings temptation at the very end and he would have doomed all of Middle earth had Sméagol not been there and take it in an act of fate.
The Eagles taking the ring would have just resulted in them fucking off far away to become Eagle-Kings while middle earth fell to darkness.
They won because the stars aligned perfectly to grant them victory.

>>717312108
>projection

>>717299983 (OP)
>>717299983 (OP)
>>717299983 (OP)
>mankind losing more and more of its army’s
>Minas Tirith barely holding on
>elves give up on the world and leave
>but before they do the elves send an army to help out at Helms Deep
>dwarves do……???

That’s a plot hole OP
What the fuck were the Dwarves doing while Sauron was cleaning house?

>>717312245
>>but before they do the elves send an army to help out at Helms Deep
never happened
and the dwarves are mostly just fucked off underground because they don't want to deal with shit
the dwarves of the lonely mountain were besieged by an army from sauron during lord of the rings, but the siege collapses when sauron dies

>>717312234
Believing to be intelligent is beneficial for mental health but too common it has become to seek validation of one's own intelligence by looking down on others. It replaces the need of actual accomplishments.

>>717308042
ai sloppa

>>717310672
Doesn't matter Sauron was getting stronger day by day. The movies don't show it but he already regained a physical form beyond the eye.

It's like Star Wars. Destroying the first Death Star weakened the empire, but Darth Sidious was still in power. If the rebels didn't destroy the second Death Star with the weakness patched, they'd be fucked.

>>717306065
The rat would have become eventually be seduced by the rings power and try to wear it. Then it'd be strong enough to kill hobbits. If it happens in the middle of Mordor when they ran out of food, the rat would have killed and ate them. If any of them ran away Sauron and his forces would be alerted to their presence anyways.

>>717306224
>there's a talking animal in one scene that is never addressed
>also a talking wallet

>>717300736
Isn't that comparable to the plot of the Ukraine war?

>>717306032
Was that explained in Hobbit yet the movie adaption excluded it? If that's true it was really fucking dumb to not mention it, almost dumber than including black people in a scene.

>>717311974
How is the felbeast that lost a 1v1 with a woman going to take down an eagle?

>>717306224
Was he the archetype for all quirky mischievous reality warping characters?

I disliked how perfect Aragorn was till they brought up the plot point that he is extremely old and just looks young because he is a very special breed of human that has a longer life span. For me something like this is an example of good writing because it's a minor detail that takes no effort to include except for the fact you have to realize it would make more sense that way. Most retarded plot points anywhere can be solved just as easily but writers just don't bother.

>>717314389
>beyond the eye.
I thought the movies invented the eye for the audience to understand better and in the books he had no physical representation at all?

>>717314948
Longer life span just made him more "perfect"?

>>717312182
what about the dwarves they could have resisted it

>>717312182
>Gandalf takes the ring and gives it back
>Tom Bombadil takes the ring and gives it back
>Faramir takes the ring and gives it back
Tolkien did a really shitty job of showing that the ring was irresistible.

What are the best lotr games? I remember the rotk game for the ps2 was fun as hell to play coop.

>>717314974
Probably. I didn't read the books.

>>717315350
Nope. The rings Sauron gave the Dwarves made them into greedy assholes. They would have gone to war with each other to get The One Ring.

IIRC Gimli wanted to use it's power to reclaim one of the mines for his family.

>>717315461
gandalf only takes it momentarily, faramir never does

One day we'll get another good LOTR game. One day.

>>717315350
No, dwarves still had lofty ambitions and were corruptible with promises of riches and glory. The average dwarf was unfit to be a ring bearer
>>717315461
Gandalf handles the ring like it’s going to poison him and Tom Bombadil is either Eru or Tolkien’s self insert. Faramir also is tempted but never actually touches it.

>>717314852
His mount is OP, he himself is a jobber

what are the humans in LotR sexualities like, do the women do anal?

Tom Bombadil had other things on his mind.

>>717316732
>Tom was plapping this braphog every night
>[chair clattering].jpg

>>717315691
Battle for Middle Earth II is the best followed by the movie licensed games for PlayStation

>>717316732
Goldberry BBW?????

>wanted a Hobbit simulator for decades
>Tales of the Shire

>>717314524
The talking (really, intelligently thinking) fox and the talking birds are some of the reasons I think it's stupid people whine about the poor widdle baby orcs and their redeemable souls.
Though to be fair, Tolkien succumbed to this worry as well.
Anyway, there are many "intelligent" creatures in Middle Earth that can talk or think but they aren't said to have souls, and the talking fox and birds aren't magical flying Great Eagles, but simple animals that according to Catholic dogma explicitly don't have souls. The question of orc "life" or "intelligence" is just that they're like any other soulless being, even similar to the talking birds, except they also have hands to make things.
Nobody cares about whether the birds, trolls or ents have redeemable souls that will go to heaven, so why do people care so much for orcs when they're the most destructive and cruel?

>>717314723
I think that's the Hobbit, but it might be an appendix entry about eagles. I remember the issue was the eagles loved eating sheep that the woodsmen herded. The simple woodsmen that were afraid of orc raids and giants spiders had longbows and so were an overwhelmingly dangerous threat to the Great Eagles.

>>717316732
based