Is this the worst controller to ever ship with a console?

>>717319937 (OP)
No, everything Sony did is worse except the ps4. The ps3 being the lowest quality pile of shit they ever produced.

>>717320003
Innovation? Yeah that sucks

>>717319937 (OP)
This is actually my favorite controller of all time

Xbox hueg

>>717320091
Because you've never used a different one?

>>717320003
No PlayStation controller has ever had a d-pad that bad. 360 is an OK controller but the d-pad is horrendous.

>>717319937 (OP)
no, it's gamesaar

>>717319937 (OP)
No, not by wide measure.

>>717319937 (OP)
The D-Pad sucks but everything else about it is great, and the way it "just werks" with PC games is magnificent.
Now as i am responding seriously to your bait thread, pic related is probably the actual worst controller to every ship with a console, because it's a shitass 16 direction d-pad that don't work well.

>>717320198
Nta, but its great if all you play is 3d games. The only bad part is the d-pad, which only matters in 2d games.

>>717320426
Doesn't the disc also spin?

Sorry tendies. N64 at least pioneered the analog stick.
This thing is built for midgets.

>>717320516
You can spin it but it does not detect the spin.

>>717319937 (OP)
I'm still using a official wired black 360 controller I bought from when the 360 was still alive to play my Steam games.

I've had to replace the thumbsticks at least twice now, but I dread the day when it's no longer useable.

>>717320671
It doesn't matter what the n64 pioneered, its still trash designed for aliens.

>>717320516
Looking at the teardown it makes more obvious.
It has no "key" to keep the disc from spinning, and it has 8 "buttons" that can be turned into 16 directions if you check for two buttons pressed.

>>717320819
>he found a fucking teardown
wheres the wiring schematic, NERD?

>>717320376
>>717320426
>>717320671
>>717320731
>all older controllers
So the 360 controller is worse than every controller which came after it.

>>717321195
That's probably a fair assessment if you exclude PC compatibility.

>>717321195
I think the Xbone controller is less comfortable in the hand and I the D-pad is still bad. The Wii U tablet controller is an absolute monster that killed the console. I don't much care for the PS4 controller either, but its more of a meh than genuine dislike. I dislike most of those modern PC controllers that are built like an Xbone controller.

>>717320091
the series x controller is better in every way.

>>717320819
>Coil spring
>circular contact pad
that thing must feel awful to use.

>>717321760
It looks uncomfortable to hold and the d-pad looks weird.

>so bad Capcom had to include one with SSF2T

>>717320731
This is literally much better variant on that trash heap lmao.

>>717321851
I've got quite a few thousand hours logged on PC with that, and it's comfy.

I don't know if this counts, because it wasn't really a game console despite having a couple of games.

>>717321760
Feels worse in my hands

>>717321851
>It looks uncomfortable to hold
good thing it isn't
>the d-pad looks weird
it works perfectly fine

>>717321915
Is it the same shape as the Xbone controller? Because I really don't like the Xbone controller.

>>717322073
The D-Pad actually feels like your finger running along the D-Pad rather than pressuring the D-Pad itself like with a regular Saturn/F310/360 D-Pad.

>>717320671
Super comfy actually.

Even if no gyro is a fucking MASSIVE loss.
Ergonomically it was really comfortable and it took AAs.
Maybe to some degree it was an overcorrection to the OG xbox's illegitimate son of the Dreamcast's layout.
Shame it came with xinput too and all the cancer that did to PC

>>717321851
the d-pad is great if you're accustomed to sega style ones.

>>717320671
I love this nigga

>>717319937 (OP)
Maybe the worst one in your 20 years of memory.

>>717322314
PS5 exists, PS3 exists, Nintendo controller exists. There are worse hells to put a man through than 360 controller at last its good for action games.

>>717320091
This except dpad but it wasn't often used

>>717319937 (OP)
that's factually the joycons and it's undeniable.

>>717320671
ok sausage fingers

>>717319937 (OP)
Ive been looking for a new controller, whats the best plug and play controller for PC?
I use the dualshock3 now so something with similar layout would be nice

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>>717322513
the best controller is the series x but if you need something similar to the ds3 then the ds4 i guess

>>717322423
Honestly I'd say the switch pro is worse
>No reason to have the dipshit asymmetrical layout since unlike the joycon the controller doesn't have to come in half and be stick on left buttons on right regardless of what side you're removing
>make it asymmetrical for no fucking reason

>>717322513
Just keep using your DS3 then. Steam input can rebind the inputs to work with Xinput games.

>>717322513
>For PC
>Like DS3
Get a ds4, maybe a ds5, try it at a store and see if you like the GIRTH.

>>717320671
This controller deserves the hate the N64 controller hets

>>717322602
Steam natively supports PS4 and PS5 controllers now.

>>717320470
I thought OP was baiting until I saw this cause every other aspect of the controller was great but yeah, that shit sucked.

>>717322602
Controllers dying after 13 years of service and I cant find any others near me that arent also in shambles unfortunately
>>717322578
Ds4 is OK, if I cant find anything else I'll get one but whats good about the series x? Never held one of those

>>717322720
it just feels more comfortable to hold, this is coming from someone who's exclusively played on sony consoles before switching to pc

>>717322720
Allegedly they're comfortable but from my experience microsoft got all of the weird flat shape from the steam controller, and none of the comfy. Plus you're passing on some pretty basic features like gyro.

>he doesn't know the infinite majesty that is the F310
move outta the way dickheads best controller coming through

>>717322983
whats the third centre button for?

>>717322720
You can get another DS3 on ebay, or if you must have something new one of those USB PS2 controllers.
>>717322667
I know, but he wanted something like his DS3.

>>717322983
Button press toggle modes like turbo and long press etc

>>717323087
meant for
>>717323025

>>717322983
It hurts my hands to use. I just switched back to a wired 360 controller.
>>717323025
My guess is its an Xbox share button. Since my older F310 is made to work with the 360 and PS3 in addition to PC, I figure the new ones do the same for PS4 and Xbone.

>>717322965
Gyro is a huge meme

>>717323203
The only reason you think that is Microsoft has prevented its standardization for 20 years.

>>717320003
My sixaxis are still working fine. Meanwhile I've had to swap out two dualsenses

>>717323239
and you can't name a game with gyro where it was actually needed

I really don't understand you retards. Some of you are using decade old controllers with horrible deadzones, horrible latency and horrible accuracy. What the fuck is wrong with you? I imagine you as a bumbling idiot. This is (you) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbE6fqBuGkA

>>717323239
It's a gimmick just like motion controls. If you care that much about precise aiming use a mouse and keyboard.

>>717323307
nah that's not me, i made cuphead my bitch.

>>717320671
the gamecube controller had many problems, the d pad, the c stick, missing a shoulder button, but I don't think size was one of them. I have enormous hands fit for the duke, and I never found the gamecube controller anything less than comfortable.
It also pioneered a far better face button layout, which sadly never caught on, which I am still mad about.

>>717323025
it Dougs

>>717321195
>controllers get better over time
Wow!

>>717320731
Left and right grips for 2d games
Middle and right grips for 3d games
Left and middle grips for FPS games
what is so hard for you retards to understand? it's 2025 there's no excuse by this point

>>717323292
If we're going to get into the weeds of "strictly necessary" thumbsticks aren't either
>>717323318
Said with the blind confidence of someone who's never had it as an option.
I think I will expect the less than a cent component in the controller so I can have the comfort of a controller and precision aim. Thanks.

>>717323307
yesh thats me i got to enjoy the game longer than you haha

>>717323360
The button layout worked well when games were designed for it but a lot of third party ports had pretty horrendous controls compared to the xbox and ps2. Its for the best that Nintendo started making more standard controllers (other than the wiimote of course).

>>717323384
I mean in xbox's case I wouldn't even say that qualifies.
Xbone lost ergonomics without any real improvements and the series s/x isn't all that different from the xboner.

>>717319937 (OP)
Atari Jaguar

>>717323462
thumbsticks are absolutely necessary for 3d games with camera control

>>717323307
The only controller I use that has any noticeable deadzone problem is the chinesium PS2 controller I use on my PS2 because I wanted a wireless controller. My 360 controllers are basically perfect. Never noticed any latency problems at all even on said chinesium.

>>717323551
>he's never played armored core

>>717323509
I haven't touch an xbox controller since 360 so I wouldn't know.
I prefer it over symmetric layouts but the dpad... Yeah lol

>>717323605
...and i never will

>>717321997
How the fuck did that have usb?

>>717323461
>what is so hard for you retards to understand?
Why Nintendo felt the need to design a controller around constantly repositioning your hands. Just make a controller with two handles like a normal person.

>>717323638
It's a modern CD-i styled controller from Limited Run Games.

>>717323384
They really didn't

>>717321865
I forgot the 3DO, this is the worst, there only one port on the console so player two and so on have to be daisy chained to player one via a port on top next to the R button

>>717323462
>so I can have the comfort of a controller and precision aim
Nta, but how can it be comfortable if you have to hold your hands steady while using the controller? Maybe you don't mind doing that, but for the me the comfort of the controller comes from me being able to use it from any angle without compromising my ability to play.
>If we're going to get into the weeds of "strictly necessary" thumbsticks aren't either
Most shooter games would be genuinely unplayable without sticks. The only ones that wouldn't are ones with a really aggressive lock on feature or no vertical aim like Doom.

>>717323605
I have played Armored Core. It is unpleasant without a dualshock controller and rebound controls.

>>717323956
>Nta, but how can it be comfortable if you have to hold your hands steady while using the controller?
I don't have twiggy arms, but if you do you could set half pull on one of the triggers to toggle gyro aim.

>>717324119
>half pull
sounds finnicky. I think the other anon has a point, controllers are for when I want to be lazy. If I want to put effort in while playing I'll use a mouse.

>>717324189
Well, I can't force you to but I've been able to comfortably play TF2 laying in bed with my Steam controller and top score.
I'd say it's more than passed the comfort check.

>>717320671
>Keep getting told this is the best controller ever
>Actually use it
>D-pad is so small it's useless for anything besides menus
>Z button is uncomfortable to use because the controller's contours force your fingers towards the triggers
>Button layout and lack of a second Z button and Select means it only works well for games designed exclusively for the system

I can see the appeal of some of the controller's more unique attributes (C-stick, face button shape and layout), but it's so overrated it's unreal. I wouldn't even say it's that comfortable after extended use either.

>>717321851
the dpad is good, but i would rather have it on a ps layout controller

>>717321851
Is the vader 4 much better than this?

>>717324504
I wouldn't know. I've never used one.

why do microsoft controllers do the stupid asymmetrical sticks? my hands are the same shape i want the sticks to be in the same spot for each

>>717324581
They did it to trigger autistic people like you.

>>717319937 (OP)
Great controller aside form the d-pad.
analog had barely any deadzone so I was able to play 2D games comfortably with the analog stick too. Could repeated triangle jump and non-stop Omnia Vanitas like a pro in Harmony of Despair.

>>717321851
You're telling me THAT d-pad looks weird to you but the 360 controller's doesn't? It's definitely better than that squishy garbage at least, I can say that much.

>>717324581
Permanent brain damage by being derivative of the Dreamcast controller which only had one stick.

>>717324581
The face buttons take priority over the right stick, so they're placed higher. The d-pad is mostly just for menus and item management, so its secondary to the left stick.

>>717320376
>let's make an analog stick!
>despite 99.99 percent of games on the console being digital controls!
>also, the stick doesn't self center
>LOL

It's like they went out of their way to make the most stupidly shit feeling controller ever. I remember later game magazines comparing it to controlling a game with a dead fish.

>>717323203
you NEED it for splatoon

>>717324581
Because 3D games don't use the dpad as a dpad, numbnuts,

>>717324752
kys tranny. Nintendo games are for retarded kids.

>>717324679
I like the shape of the 360 dpad, just not the way it sits high and has no tactile feedback. What I'd like is for it to be a Genesis dpad. Anyways, I was saying it didn't look any better than the 360 controller.

>>717324827
retarded kids deserve to have fun too

>>717324885
No they don't

>>717321771
Yep

>>717324746
Analog joysticks were really common on home computers at the time, and the 5200 was just an Atari computer with the keyboard and ROM removed.

>>717324745
>The face buttons take priority over the right stick
Considering Xbox was THE dudebro FPS console, no not at all.

>>717320426
Also the first models of the Intellivision had the controllers wired into the console, if one went bad, tough shit.

>>717324806
This, the target audience for the 360 were Halo and GTA players, and later COD players. The d-pad in those games was for selecting weapons or using killstreaks.

>>717319937 (OP)
NES or N64 ig

>>717324945
>FPS console
>no gyro
oxymoron detected

>>717324896
The atari 800 had a digital joystick which means it made even less sense.

>>717319937 (OP)
Yeah if you have small feminine baby hands, it's probably not for you

>>717324945
need to reload, crouch, switch weapons, and jump. Plus it puts the stand up button closer to the look button, so your thumb doesn't have to travel as far. Putting the stick on top means you either have to move your thumb further, or rebind jump to Y.

>>717324985
Yes, now tell that to everyone who was buying an Xbox to play Halo and CoD, but that might have been before you were born.

>>717320376
>>717320426
Which way ,80's man?

>>717324985
The only people who played CoD with gyro were Wii players, and even they wished they were playing on Xbox.

>>717325042
>Putting the stick on top means you either have to move your thumb further
You're moving your thumb the same distance regardless of where it's placed.

>>717325160
No, your thumb has to pass over the X and Y buttons to reach the stick if you put the right stick above the buttons. If you put it below its a straight shot from the stick to the A button.

>>717325098
This way.

>>717325290
>perfect control stick
>perfect button

Should have stopped there, but mankind had to keep going.

>>717325290
games for this feel?

>>717324945
And every first person genre or series that came to xbox either died or became complete shit to cope with the bad performance and mediocre input scheme.
You're not making a good argument.

>>717325391
Its not that good of a joystick. Its just the best thing available for home consoles at the time. The NES joysticks were better, and so are most dpads. That's why even most Atari fans play with a Genesis controller.

>>717321898
Enjoy your stick deadzone lol.

>>717324416
It was made primarily for Melee and maybe a few other games

>>717319937 (OP)
It's fine
I'm using the Hyperkin replica and it works

>>717321851
My biggest problem with this one is that the sticks and the triggers are too small
>inb4 fat
I'm a limp wristed fuck with long, thin fingers

>>717325769
My problem with it is that it has no contours.