Is it really that hard to make grating platforms?

blue filter...
sovl...

bf3 looks fantastic with the blue filter
also they lost the technology to do transparency :)

>nubf player pretends to have standards

>>717360167 (OP)
We lost the ability for transparency without dithering since most engines moved to deferred rendering as standard. Kinda like working mirrors in bathrooms: lost tech.

>>717360167 (OP)
>top: 120fps on a 970
>bottom: 30fps on a 4060

>>717360167 (OP)
Wtf are those smoke particles

>>717360371
Is this actually true or just some youtuber buzzword

>>717360167 (OP)
can you imagine all that RTX rays trying to pass through those tiny holes

>>717360413
I had amazing perfromance in BF3 on a gtx 570 on the highest settings.
I want to go back to the days when devs still knew how to optimize, maybe consoles being so shit wasn't a bad thing after all?

>>717360167 (OP)
lost technology

>>717360371
>>717360624
That's exaggerated BS cope.
Just about every major game since 2007 and STALKER:SoC has a been deferred renderer game.

Real time mirrors have been doable since N64 days. Literally.

And those gratings would be piss easy to pull off, but nu-fag devs cannot even cook up a decent AA method to fight alpha jaggies.

>>717360624
yes also based upon my own personal experiences, AI upscalers like DLSS struggle with transparency, even when you force games to run the newest 4th gen DLSS. They get this weird grid like property and has that half loaded in feel.

>>717360682
Millenials wouldn't buy the latest gpu that some random youtuber told them to buy so developers actually had to optimize their performance back then

>>717360624
it is unironically true.

>>717360840
hitman mirrors use planar reflections and were dogshit slow for computers at the time lol

>>717361023
...at what time?
Max Payne 2 already used them everywhere.
Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 used them for everything from water reflections to TV monitors (render-2-texture tech), and they ran just fine on first-gen 128MB DX9 cards, 21 years ago.

Have people not realized that we're currently running like up to 16000% faster GPU hardware than what we had just a while back?

>>717360167 (OP)
TAA ruins graphics not a single game can have good screen clarity

>>717360964
I hate how modern games look

>>717361813
vs old ass fighting game on emulator

>>717360682
>fire all straight and white devs
>replace them with nu-onions boys & purple haired fat roasties
the recipe for slop

>>717360167 (OP)
What's that fighter jet on the bottom? Doesn't look like F-22, Su-57, F-16 or Gripen.

>>717360413
>>bottom: 30fps on a 4060
wrong frostbite runs like a dream in labs at least

>>717360167 (OP)
Why are people getting hyped up for an EA game?

>>717360167 (OP)
what's the name of the ps3 game on the bottom?

>>717361283
they scale exponentially with resolution, since they're rerendering everything multiple times.

>>717360167 (OP)
What are all those smoke effects in the BF6 picture?

BRING BACK BASED BLUE FILTER
stylized graphics > bland gray/brown slop that looks like every other game

Why every singe battlefield screenshot here has russian text?

>>717362448
>hey scale exponentially with resolution, since they're rerendering everything multiple times.
Wrong again.
Why the fuck won't this ancient meme die??

First of all, Planar / R2T projections use their own camera and output, which can be adjusted. The "mirror" seldom uses 1:1 the same rendering resolution nor max framerate as the playing screen, nor does it have to load all of the assets and special effects, with the same LOD.

Second, the reflective surface does not need to be "on" at all times. When it's out of the view, or far away, it can be toggled off, or replaced with something more performant.

Last: we still got graphics cards that are at least 15k times faster than what we got in the mid-00s. And many games released the past few years, Hitman included, prove that you can do real time reflections just fine, without RTX shit, that always runs worse.

>>717360167 (OP)
Hard? No. It just costs performance for not much benefit, also probably makes the gameplay value of that platform worthless.

>>717360167 (OP)
>top: programmed by top of class whites and chinks
>bottom: programmed by ramdeep, laquisha and lilian (xer/xem)

>>717362448
no, there is nothing exponential about it. a second camera can at worst double your frametime. regardless of resolution. unless you're saying they would have multiple planar reflections in one view. that would be crazy. nobody would do that.

>>717360313
>>717360371
You all keep saying this but I don't think you understand what you're saying. Transparent textures still exist. I guarantee you BF3 is just a texture with some kind of alpha mask. That's still possible in every engine. You are confusing this with some ps2 tech for something different

Any LABS players? hows the performance

>>717360167 (OP)
How many of you chucklefucks have actually pre-ordered this shit?

>>717363285
me but just standard

>>717363285
i'm not even thinking of buying it until i play the beta

>>717362938
starts tomorrow anon

>>717363550
The 7th?

Loaded up the open beta to check out the ingame settings. Looking pretty good I think. Just a quick glance and I already saw a couple of things that were different from 2042. All chat defaults to ON, and there is a framerate limiter.

>>717362389
The majority of the crowd are dudebros multiplayer FPS "gamers" that crave their new slop, because their "old" shit gets stale too quickly.
Because modern games suck ass!
Anybody who falls for the BF hype is an absolute moron, DICE has done nothing the last years to warrant any kind of good will...

>>717360167 (OP)
>now they're even going after the floor-tile anon
When will it be enough?!

>>717360167 (OP)
We lost that technology

>>717360167 (OP)
Jesus, that's embarrassing. Pajeets and trannies truly do not know how to make games. Its even worse than 2042.

>>717362908
What is to blame for egregious dithering on transparent assets like hair, fences, grass etc.

>>717362389
Because naggers are starving, Anon. We WANT a good Battlefield.

It's the only reason I'm checking out the beta after being burned three times. I WANT Nu-DICE to actually hit DICE-SE of old's level (as buggy as they were) with BC2, BF3-4. But they probably won't. We'll see with this "beta."

>>717363715
yea

>>717363715
>there is a framerate limiter

What, really? I didn't see an option for max framerate. Did you disable Auto?

>>717364062
1bit transparency masks which are completely sharp, as pixel can only be pure black, or pure white. so even if you have a 4k mask, which would be like 200mb sitting in vram, it's still pixelated. so they make a 1k mask, then slap taa on top to blur it. dlss is the best at fixing it, but the second motion happens, it's back to smear city.

>>717360167 (OP)
It'd be one thing if graphical fidelity took a hit to make environments more reactive but that walkway looks worse and is probably indestructible.

>>717360167 (OP)
Literally just more accurate level design. You'd make a maintenance walkway out of grates if it was bolted directly to the roof. Bottom picture makes more sense for a walkway that looks to be one or more stories above the ground below.

>>717360167 (OP)
God BF3 was so ugly. The new one isn't that good looking either but still miles better.

>>717360167 (OP)
We're not allowed to have grates or any transparent repeating patterns dues to AI fake frames, sorry bud.

>>717360840
Which Hitman is this? I've lost track of them, and that one looks decent.

>>717364414
that's fucking crazy. idk anything really about 3d rendering but this shit is heinous

>>717362292
F-15 maybe? Maybe an F-18?

>>717362908
No, literally. The technology is effectively gone.

Game engines keep refactoring for cinematic slop, and require entire armies of coders to operate and integrate with. That kind of manpower is out of just about every studio's budget and even big names are struggling to cope with it, see Bethesda shitting the bed on the Oblivion remaster. Your only options are - Drop your FPS in half with bandaid solutions, drop half your games budget in coders to fix it, or just drop transparencies entirely and work around it. It's why everyone is complaining about modern games looking like shit, none of the engines are so overbloated and complex now that nobody can realistically use them.

>>717364663
its hokkaido map from hitman 1 but it could be in 2 or 3 (woa)

>>717360167 (OP)
We have stagnated so hard.

>>717362737
they are so many examples of cool tech used. The graphics level varied wildly but everything had its own style.
Nowadays it feels like there is no cool tech anymore. Everything looks like the sameish levels of realistic

>>717364401
Still on auto. Graphics -> Advanced -> Modify
Also looking forward to testing the experimental AA off. Will it break the game like every other game without TAA, we'll see.

>>717364950
Thanks for letting me know. I have to set it to 100 because that's the max for my monitor.

>>717364706
Too thin for an F-15 especially around the wings and the canopy doesn't really look like F-18. It looks like an off-model Mig-29 that didn't render properly.

These are the only jets confirmed to be in the game. We saw all of them except the Gripen. But the thing in the OP doesn't look like a Gripen desu.

>>717360167 (OP)
If they make it transparent it's going to rape your GPU when you turn on ray tracing(the default way they want you to play) and it's gonna look like fucking ass regardless when you turn on any AI upscaler (again, the default way they want you to play the game).
Those are your reasons OP.

>>717360167 (OP)
All these AI garbage and they are still rereleasing the same old maps but worse

>>717360371
Deferred rendering supports clipped transparency which is what you would use for metal grating and fences.
Most deferred rendering engines have a forward rendering fallback for translucent objects too.
The dithering is a hack mainly used for hair because forward rendering translucency in a deferred rendering engine typically have sorting and/or shading issues.

Why they changed from a metal grating material to a sheet metal material is likely an artist oversight or an intentional decision considering they had plenty of metal grating in Dead Space Remake (also a frostbite game)

>>717364950
whats future frame rendering?

>>717363579
for people who signed up to labs it's tomorrow

>>717365196
Ah well, i just got an open beta key so the 7th for me i guess

>>717361023
>hitman mirrors use planar reflections and were dogshit slow for computers at the time lol
worked fine on mine, poorfag

>>717364414
Dithered transparency is so fucking ugly current gen "realistic" hair looks way worse than ps3 hair cards

the fact the game only needs 75gb on release is astonishing

>>717365078
Yeah that's reasonable I think. Maybe 1 over the limit for vsync gsync shenanigans, don't know if that's necessary anymore. But missing it in 2042 was bad because even the menu and loading screen was unlimited fps so 100% gpu/cpu usage all the time for no reason.

>>717365089
that's just the SU-57. same light grey base skin

Remember, no preorders

>>717365331
hair cards are still used, but they have extreme quad overdraw because it's a trillion cards on top of each other. just another part of the unotimization equation. want to cripple a modern engine, find a bunch of trees with transparency masks on leaves, and line your characters noisy hair up with it. it's one of the reasons grass blades are now models, and trees are all california 50 footers, so you can't catch too many leaves on screen lmao.

>>717360167 (OP)
Graphics have not progressed in a decade
Grim

>>717365337
As always with these games, I'm sure it'll be 150 after a few updates when they add a bunch of pointless and shitty season pass cosmetics.

>>717365187
Triple buffering? Dunno.

>>717360167 (OP)
EA will never recapture what made Bad Company 2 good again.

>>717362661
BF6 won't, haha, it's not sold in the ziggerland anymore

>>717365679
thats basically FG right

>>717360591
a screenshot of a low quality youtube video. Top was taken in engine, stationary, at high resolution.

>>717365381
Wew. I was looking at the settings and I found how much VRAM the game uses. I guess it's unplayable if people have less than 8GB.

>>717365706
Nobody working at DICE worked on any of the past Battlefield games except maybe 2042, and it shows so badly. They don't even know how to use the Frostbite engine.

>>717365973
Nah

>>717365407
Ah I see, thanks.

>>717365943
but Nvidia Frame Generation is a separate option. Perhaps that's an amd equivalent.

>>717362292
Should be an F-22 because thats whats in the alpha for the US.

>>717360167 (OP)
Feel like shit. I just want games with a cool artstyle instead of ultra realism

>>717366521
but thats fsr framegen right?

>>717365147
that grating could also be 3d, honestly.

Dice needs to go independent. I swear these games might be good but they always get torpedoed by something retarded
>BFV
malice toward your own playerbase and complete arrogance in face of it
>2042
corporate greed, literal non game but I'm sure they might have shipped something good if they just kept the people who worked on late-stage BFV
>BF6
malice toward your own playerbase doesn't even begin to describe. it's basically a cyber-attack against your PC userbase. absolutely mind boggling shit.

>>717366840
>malice toward your own playerbase doesn't even begin to describe. it's basically a cyber-attack against your PC userbase. absolutely mind boggling shit.
Retard

>>717360371
BF3 is deferred you dumb fuck, and deferred has no issue with transparency.

>>717362526
I‘d say that BF3 still looks good and holds up without the blue tint, see the mod that edits the lighting on venice unleashed

>>717360167 (OP)
The bottom one is much more realistic.

>>717366956
>yeah it's not malice, just let EA+Microsoft clap your cheeks a little bit, cmon bro just let the globohomos tell you how to configure your PC just a lil bit cmon

>>717366813
It looks more like POM to me but it's possible I suppose. At any rate I know for a fact the engine can handle clipped transparent surfaces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYnznkcVoWs

im hyped you FUCKS

Is the beta actually out today?

>>717360371
>lost tech
the only thing truly lost here is competence
hundreds of "devs" with zero idea of how any of the shit they're doing actually works. it's black magic for them, just connect the dots and stuff gets rendered the other side

I will need to see persistent servers or the game is dead to me. Playing with new random players every round feels like playing with bots.

>>717367158
were you hyped for 2042 too

>>717367308
not even a bit the first trailer looked like total ass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9RIM-1I8Z8

>>717367158
>first frame of the video
>3d spot
aaaand dropped

>>717367432
Retard

>>717365089
>SU and JAS in one faction
Should have made it entirely US NATO vs rest of NATO, but without the stuff that is exclusive to the russkis irl. I fucking hate this shitty middle ground

>>717365089
GRIPPEN

https://youtu.be/iCSONJw72sE

>>717367498
? That giant doritos above the enemies head that's all over my screen like the UI wasn't a mess enough isn't 3d spot?

>>717363909
underrated

>>717367996
First BF?

>>717360840
>Notices gun reflection
FUCKING KINO.

>>717368049
My last bf was bfbc2 and only recon could do this shit

>>717368124
Ok

>>717365089
Did they not wanna pay for licensing the Eurofighter or the Rafale (since apparently the Frenchies are the bad guys)? What a weird choice.

>>717367996
>hp bars
>dmg numbers
fire every single higher up at dice

absolutely every single one

>>717368187
Retarded

>>717368187
And we thought having hit markers was already a sign of a big kiddy casual fps back then
Seriously, add to this the objectives, the ui with the fuck ton of gadgets, the doritos for your allies + the dead ones and you literally can't see shit and can only shoot at red doritos

>>717368345
>>717368187
cod kiddies pls go back to playing your future cod shit

>>717368235
>>717368410
kys

>>717368480
even more disgusting playing that piece of shit

kek the cope has already started

The bottom isn't supposed to be grating. Are you being disingenuous because negativity generates more engagement?

transparent textures are lost technology

>>717360167 (OP)
top runs on a meta quest 3
bottom looks the exact same and doesn't run without a ray tracing capable GPU and needs DLSS for acceptable FPS

>>717369275
That's wrong though. BF6 is well optimized and top from BF3 uses something like MSAAx4 on a deferred rendering which is literally like doubling the resolution
BF3 introduced TAA btw.

>>717369094
yes anon we know they changed it...

>>717369440
>yes
thank you for being so straight forward about it. Every thread these days is just retarded ragebaiting and narrative pushing

>bottom is a bullshot
>top still look better
it's so over

>>717368187
>>hp bars
>>dmg numbers
Better than skill based damage

>>717369094
and the real reason they changed the asset was not because their girl power technical art team didn't figure out how to create a performant metal grating asset of course! :3

Do people really do that? Just make shit up to convince themselves their "old = good, new =bad" narrative is right?

>>717370170
It's /v/
They are a bunch of third worlders who think that guy who wants $900k to "fix" unreal is right

>>717370170
/v/ is just retarded

>>717370170
i don't need convincing

>>717360167 (OP)
Why does the new one look washed out and faded, why do the shadows look so faint? I don't know anything about graphic technology, please keep the answer simple.

>>717370595
Nigger are you blind? BF3 is NOTORIOUS for being washed out and faded.
I swear to God the old=good/new=bad meme has never been more true with you contrarian fuckwits.

>>717370890

Will Battlefield 6 have some actual fucking COLOR besides grey, green and yellow?

>>717370890
>BF3 is NOTORIOUS for being washed out and faded.
the fuck are you on about, nigger? BF3's base maps were the only blue ones. The DLC ones had a way better color pallette

>>717370503
You wouldn't need to make shit up if it was self evident.

>>717371275
new games are factually worse than old ones

>>717361813
>>717361961
I swear the only difference between the 2 images are the higher polygon count, higher res textures and screen space shaders, all that will be 20 years of technology + rtx + tax + tip.

>>717370089
>still posting this fake image made by rage baiting raiding trannies
nigger

>>717371258
>Nuh uh! Only the main, majority maps that the shipped with the game and most people played are the ugly ones

>>717371680
Only some

>>717364883
Because everything runs on one of three different engines and all the smart people got chased out of the industry so we can have commiefornian blue hairs running it all.

>>717367519
South Africa and Brazil have Gripens and they're BRICS founding countries.

>>717360313
>>717360234
Kill yourselves, there is no way you fags are old enough to be posting here.

>>717372304
brics aren't even in it.
It should have been nato vs brics but swedes are pussies

>>717364842
It's not Hitman 1, it's probably recorded in 2 or 3.
I know because the lighting was never like that when 1 was the most recent game of the franchise. There's slight differences in each game. Physics are probably the biggest between the three.

>>717364414
But we could do transparent hair and grass on PS3 era games without tanking performance so what happened that we can't do that anymore?

>>717362737
For all the endless shit I'll give IO Interactive, somehow they pulled off some magic with that engine, the reflections/post processing is incredible, the games only really suffer due to how sharp they are, but you only really notice it when you're looking at shit in massive detail or use Ansel.

>>717360167 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Asqn9SNTnk

>>717373253
Gray metro looked like shit and would be forgotten by the time BF4 rolled around.

>>717364883
Anabios, SOVL

>>717373039
the trade off is things like mesh shaders, where you can deform models with textures, much better lighting, better control of lights and shadows, among other things. deferred rendering is mostly better, but the negatives are brutal. being able to plop in 50 real lights with no performance issues at all is amazing. with forward rendering, even a handful of real lights would kill performance.

>>717371132
Why are you so sexist?
Can't you see their diversity hires can only see those three colors?
Check your privelege, you fucking nazi chud!!

>>717360167 (OP)
jesus christ it's not bad enough that graphics haven't progressed in a decade, now they're actually going backwards? How do the retards who spent thousands on a new GPU feel about this?

>>717373424
Who gives a shit about the color filter? Metro was an abysmal map. What is it about brainless chokepoint maps that attracts retards? If you look at Battlefield 4's server browser half of it is Operation Locker, the worst fucking map in the game. Do thirdies and russians just feel at home throwing themselves into a meatgrinder over and over?

>>717373817
Don't you see that the pipes under the player have 300 gorillion polygons and the textures are 500millionK?
Don't you see all those more polygons?

Why did BF3 die niggas?
I just can't play the BF4 dogshit maps

>>717373952
What do you mean died, I just played a round on Grand Bazaar 24/7

>>717373579
Hey anon - thank you for mentioning this. Got me to look into deferred rendering and holy shit I get why games suck now.

>>717373952
THEY'RE THE SAME GAME except BF4 doesn't have the shit filter and has a fuckton more guns.

>>717373992
>500 players ingame
seems like not worth reinstalling

>>717374072
YWNBAW

>>717374105
You fucking faggot, there are multiple 64 man servers FULL at all times in any region. what more do you need, someone to come to your house and cuddle you while you play?

>>717374209
Saar please redeem the Kirkland you bloody motherchod

>>717365089
JAS!

>>717360167 (OP)
>Is it really that hard to make grating platforms?
Yes? Look how warped they are in the BF3 screenshot you literally posted. Video games still can't handle them.

>>717373992
If you can't play Wake Island, it's dead

>>717374105
I would understand this statement if there were only 50 people online but 500?
Seems worth it.

>>717374061
the other problem is because of how powerful even dinky gpus are, and how engines like unreal are practically drag and drop, it encourages laziness. dlss and fsr increases that even more. i'm making a little unreal 5 game in my spare time, mostly just to optimize it for fun, and there's all kinds of tricks you can do that no one bothers with, even if it's built into the engine. for instance, all my trees use shadow proxies, which means there's another tree model under the original tree that casts shadow, but isn't rendered. so if you look up close, you'll notice the shadows have less branches, less leaves, and are looking a little nintendo 64, but with so many trees using "fake" shadows, you don't really notice at all, and the shadows only have to process around 2k polygons per tree, not 20k.

>>717374379
I played wake island today too thoughie

>>717360167 (OP)
Amazing upgrade. Graphics are finally starting to be good.

>>717374404
I appreciate the further insight. Also I want to subject these devs to a clippy-style tool to make them aware of optimizations.

Then again maybe they are aware but their project managers aren't giving them the time to do this stuff.

>>717372768
Yeah but South Africa is a confirmed enemy nation in the game and they have Gripens.

>>717374483
same but 1942
tobruk too

>>717360840

>He cant touch the door handle
>Door is too tall

>>717360840
nuHitman was the last time I was technically impressed by a video game.

>>717375232
it's a combination of pure corporate retardation
>thousands of jeets who have no idea what they're doing
>underpaid developers on schedules that change on a whim
>"just use dlss lol"
>"buy a 5090 lol"
in my opinion, it all comes down to graphics being the problem. look at diablo 4: crazy high quality character models, yet in gameplay the camera is 200 feet in the air. but, more graphics = more better.

>>717375426
You'd have a point if the game didn't have good performance or focused on the characters in cutscenes.

>>717362661
Sams why most Hollywood movies has Arabic writing on mundane things like street signs and shops and actors speak random words in Spanish.

Because so often the only times you see American English text on Hollywood is in news and shows about terrorism and war. American media very much tar that America as violent and scary.

>>717363285
I assume anyone here stating they've pre-ordered are just being retarded ironically. No one here would actually be that stupid.

>>717375527
oh sorry, the point i was making was diablo 4 took like 10 years to make, with multiple cancellations. diablo 4 definitely runs like a dream though. on the other hand, diablo 1 and 2 both took 3 years with 30 people. diablo 4 took 9000+ people to make. the vast majority of those people were making assets.

>>717360167 (OP)
I think modern AA solutions struggle with fine mesh patterns.

I'M GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS OVER HERE

>>717371258
Premium was such a shit system desu. I can't believe people in big 25 are still demanding Premium to be back when it divided playerbase and made goated maps that came with later DLCs unplayable since playerbase moved on to next game when Premium content drop was finished

>>717376919
Sam Hyde, is that you?

>>717373828
>Playing a vehicle map in BF4

>>717371132
>>717360413
I think the graphics card industry is a hoax
Like the pharma and medicine industry who refuse to cure their patients to not lose trillions in revenue

>>717375698
Nah bro, we’ve reached the part of the gaming timeline where “ironic preordering” is just coping. You forked over $70 to get early access to five hours of broken gameplay and a free skin your friends won’t even see. At this point it's performance art.

>>717370089
your game on pajeets

>>717377461
Whoa! A
>jump that did nothing
followed by a
>jump that did nothing
You guys were zooming in 2013!

>>717377461
thats not a vehicle map tho

>>717360371
>Kinda like working mirrors in bathrooms: lost tech.
Peak has a god damn working mirror in the multiplayer lobby. Mirrors being lost tech is bullshit. Devs are just too lazy to implement them. Why bother with mirrors when you can just have every window in your game be conveniently smashed?

>>717377791
>Gets obliterated by some jet faggot while trying to stay alive against 2v3
>Not a vehicle map

>>717360413
True.

>>717377842
the only vehicles it has is transport chopper, motorcycles and this bomber that appears once in like five minutes

not an actual vehicle map

>>717374379
Anon, now is your chance

>>717360167 (OP)
consoles and shitter pc's can't handle grating platforms

i hope they bring this back. jet cunts would leave the lobby when me and my friends used to spam this.

>>717377461
>*jumps*
>crosshair not even close to enemy but bullets keep shooting out of forehead
haha, great game bro

>>717378527
>>crosshair not even close to enemy
That's a good thing, you know where your screen center is right?

>>717360167 (OP)
Gratings would cost 200fps and you'd have to play on 480p upscaled to 720p for a steady 30fps

>>717378590
mhm yeah sure thing bud
im also aware of where my gun is pointing

>>717378752
BF6 tied aim to weapon sights, it will have a hipfire jumpshot meta due to that retarded change, max hipfire builds will be meta due to sight sway.

>>717377461
Why the fuck are you playing BF if you just want to have """skillful""" gunfights (there is no such thing)? Nevermind that most infantry maps are just spamming grenades at a chokepoint.

>>717379125
Because BF is the only modern casual FPS without SBMM?

>>717379046
sounds gay and retarded

p sure battlebit already perfected this dying genre of throwing nades over obstacles and dirtmounds
w/e happened there?

>>717368187
Just turn it off you double-nigger

So, can I play this game on GNU + Leenucks or no?

is there anyone playing battlefield 3 right now?

>>717380051
I still play it almost every day

>>717364414
>t the second motion happens, it's back to smear city.
right, so you mean its dogshit

>>717380150
good, buying it right now

>>717360167 (OP)
HOW IS THAT MODERN GAMES ARE STILL LOOKING WORSE THAN 10+ YEAR OLD ONES

>>717367996
No idea why it's showing names but 3d spotting itself is fine.
>but you can spam it
Had a cool down in other games you could not spam it.
>nooo I cant hide and do nothing the entire game
lol get fucked

>>717380538
They don't look worse graphically. There's an argument that improvements are too slow (and they were MUCH faster in the 2000s) but average games today generally look better than the average games of 2015. And no, not every 2015 game looked like RDR2.

I've never played a CoD and I've played one Battlefield game almost twenty years ago. What's the difference between the two franchises? Also this isn't bait, this is a sincere post and I'm genuinely curious.

>>717380725
kys, like seriously.
>nooo I cant hide and do nothing the entire game
3d spot doesn't prevent this at all you retard.
However it does spots people who use smoke which makes smoke grenades useless.
It's for retarded people who need to have their HUD filled with shit so they think it's AWESOME otherwise it would be BORING

>>717380854
CoD is generally more about fast paced infantry warfare on smaller maps and has a very direct "you shoot the guy and he dies so you win" loop. Battlefield has that too but doesn't specialize in it, it also has big ass maps with tanks and humvees and choppers and airplanes you can pilot and it's much more focused on teamplay and scale and trying to 'feel' like a proper military experience.

>>717381007
>and trying to 'feel' like a proper military experienc
cod feels much more like a proper military experience considering how casual bf is

Post it.

>>717381096
CoD in its old days had you sprinting with a sniper in melee range quickscoping people, and now it has Nicki Minaj skins and battle royale modes. For all its flaws Battlefield has always done the "you're an actual soldier and this is war" thing with much more sincerity.

>>717380854
CoD is small maps, small teams, short rounds. Gameplay is a bit more arcadey with killstreak rewards which drop overpowered weapons to reward the player with tons of free kills, objective is usually just killing more of the enemy team.

BF is larger maps, large teams, longer rounds, vehicles (tanks, helicopters, jets). It's a bit more realistic but not anywhere close to a milsim, some entries have terrain destruction as a big feature, and many modes are objective based, either holding objective areas for more time than the enemy does, or advancing through a map by taking sectors from the defending team.

>>717381138

>>717373039
My best guess is polygon ordering.
There's two ways of rendering (partial) transparency, one is you just render the transparent polygon and blend it with whats already on the buffer, but if you render polygons out of order it breaks, and getting the order right can be complicated/expensive.
The other is to dither. I suspect once developers started getting into the habit of relying on dithering to the point they treat TAA as disabled being effectively unsupported, they just went fuck the polygon ordering just rely on dithering.

A bit of a reach, though.

>>717379878
You can play BF3 on it

>>717381007
>>717381372
Neat, thanks! Sounds a bit like BF recaptures more of that slower burn chaos you could get in old Novalogic games. Shame I assume BF6 won't have the thing I liked about 2142. I really liked titan mode and having the option to fuck around with big old airships and use them to cause problems on the ground, and of course rolling support and dropping an ammo bag on my team's flight deck so I could EMP the choppers until someone murdered me and got instantly punished by the unsuspecting rest of the team.

>>717368187
They have to do this shit, notice how they haven't addressed the clone wars situation from 2042 at all, nobody has talked about it or asked.
All these player skins they are offering already will be available on both teams, it's going to be clones wars all over again once there are some popular skins out. Player readability out the fucking window so they are already prepped with the obnoxious healthbars and colored diamonds on allies and enemies.

>>717362526
There's nothing stylized about any Battlefield game aside from Heroes. Changing the tint in the world is not stylizing the game.

>>717381138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhtYOvmPjCE

>>717381138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_HmLEhVqA

Would it be possible to create a modern devtard proof engine?

>>717374225
people dont want to buy the premium pass for a 20 year old game

>>717381970
If you want it to be widely used, not really. The quality of an engine is most of the time inversely proportional to how widely applicable it is.
This is why specialized engines made for one type of game by one studios can be really good (Metro's 4A engine, or idtech) but generalist engines like Unreal often suck because the priority is wide ease of use.

>>717380757
they run way way worse even with way way better hardware for minimal improvement over 10 year old graphics

>>717381997
It literally costs pennies during a steam sale every other month you retard, it's your fault for not buying it

>>717360167 (OP)
The problem is AI upscaling. Top would look like liquid shit in movement in anything but native res, but it's gonna have to run on trash like FSR2 instead.

>>717382421
there only 4 servers in my region, none are 64 and none are full right now at 8pm that's supposed to be prime hours, i think i will not buy it

>>717380854
>what’s the difference
How retarded are you

>>717362908
Yes, it still exists, but is extremely underperformant compared to older games, this is because of Deferred Rendering. Older games used Forward Rendering, which is fast, allows for nice transparency and MSAA, Deferred rendering in comparison has none of these, the only advantage it has over Forward is the amount of dynamic light sources it can handle.
Nowadays most games use Forward+ Rendering, which theoretically should be the best of both words, but in reality it's just Deferred Rendering with some pretty bad transparency, scuffed MSAA implementation, and lower amount of dynamic lights that pure Deferred.
This is also the reason why foliage looks so fucking bad and needs TAA to hide the dithering, the transparency in it just sucks that bad and the industry just unanimously decided that dynamic light's "wow factor" was much more important than actually looking good

>>717360167 (OP)
>BF6 literally looks worse than BF3 from 2011
>BF6 plays like CoD
>People are pretending to be excited for this

lol...

>>717382268
What about those AI meme engines that just came out. Maybe in the future those will be viable?

>>717382501
Temporal rendering has been ruining image quality long before AI upscalers became a thing.

>>717382674
Image quality yes, but AI-driven temporal solutions break worse than TAA. They look way better than TAA when it works well, but when it doesn't it's much more distracting. Insane color bleed and ghosting. Makes sense to change problem assets to get around it.
TAA looks worse all the time but it's stable.

>>717382516
not my fault you live in the third world buddy

>>717360167 (OP)
>15 year old game actually looks better

do vehicles still have unlimited ammo and countermeasures?

>>717360167 (OP)
That pic is depressing

>>717361283
Based FEARbro

>>717382976
nobody wants to pay for a fucking premium pass just to play in one fucking 64 man server that is filled with bots 90% of the time.

It sucks fucking dick that bf3 is dead. But this is why we all hate the fucking battlepass/premium system, because it divides the playerbase and kills the game later on down the line. Calling people poor and 3rd worlders isnt going to bring players back to the bf3 lobbies.

It sucks that when bf6 releases all of us that did allll of those phantom assignments are going to lose our cool stuff.

>>717382950
>AI-driven temporal solutions break worse than TAA
That was true in the days of early DLSS/FSR but now it's outdated info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Q87HB6t7Y
Not only is DLSS4 running circles around TAA in terms of image quality but FSR4 is on the track to do the same. You're literally better off using 1080p to 4k DLSS than you are using native 4k. There are no remaining ways in which TAA has better image quality, unless you're using really really low input or output resolutions with DLSS4/FSR4 such as 520p to 1080p.

>>717383457
Meant to write
>You're literally better off using 1080p to 4k DLSS than you are using native 4k TAA.

>>717383392
cry about it shart worlder

>>717383242
Read from an anon here that ammo needs to be replenished but I haven't a clue about countermeasures.

>>717364950
>no anti aliasing is considered experimental

>>717383676
i hope they fixed it. people sitting at the edge of the map shooting into capture points was the most cancerous shit

>>717383457
As I said, this will have to run on something like FSR2 because it'll come out on consoles. You can't just say "it's great on high end hardware", assets are made for consoles. I agree that DLSS4 can be great (not always, it breaks in some games too like The Last of Us 2) and I even think DLSS3 is vastly better than native TAA.
But alas you're not running DLSS3 on 2/3 platforms this game will come out on. Even on PC most of the audience won't be able to handle 1080p->4K DLSS4, they'll be vram limited in this scenario.

>>717383795
Welcome back into the land of living, you've been in a coma for 9 years. Yes, 3D games are built with post process antialiasing in mind and they tend to visually break without it.

>>717383541
those are literally all bots in those servers you can actually click on each server to show the player information and none of them are real.
Do you actually think you are playing against real people you stupid fucking retard boomer

>>717383921
DLSS4 is also worse than 3 for FF16. Playing it currently and the ghosting is out of control. But it's not officially supported so I don't hold it against the tech, just disabled the thing on Inspector and I use DLSS3 instead, which still looks great to me (still has some ghosting, but worth it)

>>717368124
sure it was
its always bad company 2 with you fags. ALWAYS.

>>717360167 (OP)
Dice make me your visual lead.

>>717384517
you don't get it don't you? the washed up colors makes it look like a MAN'S game and not some overwatch looking ahh clone
>t. see how much faggots complained about the CS2 visual changes

>>717384517
did later BFs still allow reshades or is that something anticheat would flag

>>717385102
watch yo jet bruh

>>717381138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIo3q-tcmk4

so how are we feeling about bf6 i'm cautiously optimistic hope is good but knowing EA there is a catch for sur

>>717386357
>so how are we feeling about bf6

I will tell you after I play it. I'm still trying to get into Early Access.

>>717385102
>dude saturated = good

>>717383972
You are literally retarded? do you think people with default profile pics are bots? HAHAHAHAHAH those are people playing on steam you retarded fucking moron. People that have more money than you(4 literal dollars). You're poor lLMAOOOOO this dude is ttoo poor to buy a 2011 game lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>717387675
I know a shitton of people who simply never bothered to use gravatar because it's retarded having to go to some other site to change your avatar

>>717383541
NOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT I NEED EVERYONE TO BE PLAYING THE GAME OR IT'S LITERALLY DEAD IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT I CAN PLAY A GAME IN ANY REGION IN A FULL SERVER 24/7 IT'S LITERALLY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!

>enjoy more dust an d shit effects so you can't see shit