Not the gay soviet union that had poor countries or isolationist china but a true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned

>>717360179 (OP)
>but a true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned
You think the retards spamming 50 porn threads a day even know what you're talking about?

>>717360294
Why not? Both for children.

>>717360179 (OP)
instead of blue team being good guys and red team being bad guys, the red team would be the good guys and the blue team would be the bad guys

>>717360430
soft trvke

Z

>>717360179 (OP)
>how ideal will shit be in my ideal fantasy land?

>>717360179 (OP)
you think its some quasi-religion with a promised paradise
there will be no utopia, you will have nothing except your mandatory low-paying shitty job and state-approved AI slop to pacify you

marx didn’t have a vision, he was just a lazy kike that wanted to murder non-jews

>>717360627
Anon, stop describing the current times.

>>717360179 (OP)
like now but even more gay and retarded

>>717360179 (OP)
I want a dev to test Communism with those open world survival crafting games or MMORPGs. No matter how much people grind or craft it all gets redistributed to people who did nothing. Players can take your equipment and materials without penalty and if you try to defend them, you get punished.

>>717360179 (OP)
No videogame! Only work in kolchoz till dark and loving arms of babushka!

>no true communism
anyway, regarding communism themed games
I was disappointed that Atomic Heart didn't lean into it harder, I'd be cool with some unironic soviet-nostalgia-wank.
It could have also gone the Bioshock route of examining the contradictions, and that would have been fun too. But we got some bland sci-fi with some red paint instead.

>>717360627
>you will have nothing except your mandatory low-paying shitty job and state-approved AI slop to pacify you
how is this diff from capitalism

>>717360294
Fist kek best kek

>>717360179 (OP)
>What would art look like under communism
There'd be a lot more of it with a much wider breadth of content since there would be no pressure to smooth games out to suit a mass market.
Larger projects would still exist but would be far less common and built more like Valve games than the traditional AAA pipeline.

>>717360179 (OP)
>but a true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned
>NEXT TIME IT WILL WORK
kys, someone has to clean the toilets

mental illness is not vidya

>peak automation achieved
>everyone is now unemployed
>all your needs are met
>no consumerism
Communism sounds extremely boring.

>>717360179 (OP)
>No profit motives
>No competition
>Innovation would only happen as a consequence of the creator’s will to innovate for social status or status as an innovator
I imagine games would stagnate a lot. Creative pressure is an unwieldy beast when taken at the collective level. The top down drive to make something happen to beat the other guy can turn into quickly made slop, but it can also lead to genuinely great results. Absent that pressure you’d get I guess forever development passion projects released in perpetual beta states with no full releases, unless the state itself was the demanding driver commanding from the top down that games be made in a certain way or by a certain time. But then the question would be what does the state even want from a game anyhow? Answer is propaganda more than likely, or a teaching tool to create a more effective worker which would make all games just awful. The upside would be no need to nickel and dime the consumer, pop culture slop appeal (Fortnite skins, CoD skins) would be reduced if not eliminated, and the games you would get would either be cheap or free depending on how money would actually work within this proposed system. Or games would just be used to pacify the populace and as a vent for the competitive and aggressive tendencies of male youth, but they’d have to have some kind of intensive haptic feedback system or extreme competitive system in their design.

Even gayer than today with the upside of taking 35 years to make. We should kill a billion people for this.

>>717360430
Haha, this is much more succinct than whatever I was going to reply to this thread with.
>>717360179 (OP)
It would be a multiplayer game with no win condition and mostly sports or crafting-based gameplay. No mod support whatsoever. Kernel-level anticheat. Webcam and microphone required. No refunds.

>>717360891
check out foxhole

>>717360179 (OP)
>poverty is utopia

>>717361328
>people with no creativity be like

>>717360179 (OP)
>but a true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned
>what would rain be like if rain dances actually worked guys????

I guess there would be a lot of rain... dumbass.

>>717360179 (OP)
like that patch of gardening marvel at the blm protests in Seattle.

>>717360179 (OP)
marx didnt envision shit he was a drunk neet retard

abandon all delusions of ideology

>>717360179 (OP)
like this, but with more shitskins, more gay and muslim

>>717361663

A wise man on a shitty social media website once said something to the effect of
>after the revolution, my asthma and social anxiety will disqualify me from any and all physical labor.
>my job will be Anime Appraiser

>>717361663
>Everyone gets to be a creative now!
>Millions of slop novels released
>Millions of dogshit devianart painters made
>Millions of slop ai movies made

It’d be our current content overload problem but even worse! Hallelujah!

>>717360179 (OP)
Because of things already mentioned >>717361392. Game development might stagnate a lot. I guess if we are talking about post-scarcity "fully automated luxury space communism" acsess to super advanced AI systems might make developing games so easy that anyone can do it and that might result in a lot of slop but also some really great games too. If we are at the point of having a benevolent AGI it might make games for us.

>>717360996
Less corruption, less slavery, more food, better quality of life.

This is why China is still a shithole compared to the worst anyone can bitch about with America.

>>717360179 (OP)
>that karl marx envisioned

The problem is that he never wrote about how that system would work only that there is no class and that everyone owns the means of production. So it's probably a sandbox multiplayer game that you are looking for.

>>717360885
I take old white guy over whatever the fuck this is any day

>>717362162
>If we are at the point of having a benevolent AGI it might make games for us.
For whatever reason, I have this unshakeable faith in humanity’s ability to make friends with the computer if it ever does become sentient. I’m a bit of a human supremacist.

>>717362019
>I'm gonna be leading discussion on theory
???
Theory of what?

>>717360179 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0WhdhbImLM

why does communism have to be so gay and brown?

>>717362019
I'll be jerking off some days, watching anime other days and shitposting whenever needed

>>717362162
>>717361392
Here's the thing: that pressure you're talking about has LIMITED games rather than resulting in innovation.
Profit motive is why games are beset by patent trolls on all sides, why all the talent is forced to work on garbage chasing trends that will fall out of favor years before release, and why anything unique or complicated gets ground down to nothing.
It's why the L4D AI director and Shadow of War Nemesis systems languish in IP prison, never to be used.
It's why three companies bought every single developer studio.

>>717362302
I’m going to dredge up a classic video that may illustrate what kinds of conversations could echo off the walls of the grand masturbatorium

https://youtu.be/lVmmYMwFj1I
Vegan crunk nights, raising money for that thing in the Middle East or Africa or whatever, etc.

>>717360179 (OP)
Nothis is more disgusting about the modern world than the fact that you can praise communism with minimal consequence but even mentioning nationalism gets you shut out of any conversation.

>>717361392
games would be nothing more than a political tool subject to rigorous restrictions and examinations for disloyalty to the party (heresy) and anyone who failed them would be tortured then imprisoned or killed for trying to endanger utopia (consorting with the devil)
Games would exist on a limited basis as rewards and indoctrination and education tools that completely replace parenting and the education system.


Meanwhile, the ultra-rich would still enjoy the same shit as normal, doing whatever they wanted, private tutors, etc.

>>717360179 (OP)
You might as well write about video games made in narnia. Regardless, this is clearly pol's department. And I'm not saying that because I'm an ass or demanding that anon mass report you. It really is their topic.

>>717362209
He specifically wrote that it "wasn't necessary" to even understand the system he wanted to replace.
He fully believed that he could blindly rip out a bunch of "mystery stuff" and replace it with something better despite having no idea what it did.

>>717360179 (OP)
There is no such thing as collective ownership, there is always somebody with the authority to gleefully bash your brain in for breaking the rules and using stuff that you aren't allowed to. Whoever that is, is the person who really owns it.

>>717362525
Because communism is no threat for the people in power. The opposite instead. They can use the idea and branding of communism and socialism to manipulate people.
Nationalism has well defined principles. They fear nationalism.

>>717360179 (OP)
Like it or not, the Soviet Union was the closest realization of Marx ideas put into actual practices in the real world.

Don't like it? Well I have bad news for you then, my communist loving friend...

>>717362418
Free money! Yeehaw.

>>717362773
The slop is not literally poison, but it might aswell be. in the long-term.
Don't eat slop.

>be in commune solo building game
>Big Dick Rick walks in, decides it's his game now, and ruins it

>>717362525
>Man how come wanting everyone to be equal is considered nice but ruthlessly exploiting everyone across an imaginary line considered mean?

My big brain video game political stance is that Baudrillard was kinda taking the piss for most of his career but that I ultimately agree with most of what he wrote despite it

>>717362742
Anon Marx never proposed shit
He wrote an analysis of his observations and he wrote predictions
He was an economist and social scientist

>>717362476
There are times when that is true, but those innovations were made for those games regardless and they were made so as to gain an edge over a competitor. What would be the reason for developing those advanced AI systems or a nemesis system in a communist game environment? You're not trying to make your game better than someone elses to sell more, you would just do it I suppose at the idealistic level to make the best game that you can possibly make. But if that's your ideal, when do you stop developing the game? When is it good enough to release? You could endlessly develop, never release a full game, get paid anyways, and just never see it through to the end.
And besides IPs are a state intervention into the market anyways. They are protected by the state, patented within state offices etc. An argument could be made also that a more free market would mean less IP protections as that would mean less state involvement, making your point moot.

>>717362302
doensn't matter, the community surely pays you to be unproductive

>>717360179 (OP)
Well there's a commie punk game with two female bots and it's decent

>>717360179 (OP)
Like China essnetilly. Where no one is allowed (nor would want to because of demoralization) to make anything artistic including videogames our of fear and the only "game" being "made" are just government funded, written, vetted projects. Also you need a "business license" in China to sell anything which pretty much kills any initiative people could've had.

>>717362476
I agree with you mostly. I know profit motivates though. I don't see a large group of people coming together to work on a massive AAA scale project without some other incentive than 'artistic impulse'. I believe art for arts sake only applies to the individual level and there is only so much one person can do. Big games need a huge amount of man hours across various disciplines.

>>717362302
theory of never having a job

>>717360179 (OP)
>a true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned
Soo, Star Trek?

>>717360891
Not really how it works, but I expect nothing more from americans.

>>717360179 (OP)
>true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned
Marx was a fucking retard and there's a reason his shit will never do anything but pile bodies.

>>717360179 (OP)
I'll try to respond genuinely. If profits stopped being the main factor driving game creation, we would most likely see the death of gacha, lootboxes and endless safe sequels. Now, the huge question is whether the communist "utopia" has everyones needs covered automatically, so noobody actually has to work or people still HAVE to work. If people have to work it is more than likely that the collective would punish artists that aren't producing works for the collective benefit i.e. things that are niche and not popular. So, expect huge, finely crafted platformers, shooters and so on, made by large passionate teams, but less authorial and subversive art.

>>717360607
This guy and his son are actual fruitcakes

>>717363267
He said specifically not like China.
>Business license
You need this in the U.S. too retard

>believe that people should have access to food/water/basic necessities at all times
>OMG communist!
what a time to be alive

>>717360179 (OP)
Karl marx didn't envision anything except wine and gay sex. He didn't believe a single word of that shit he wrote. He wrote it as a commission to make some money for booze.

Communism was designed as a social weapon of mass destruction from day one. It has no other possible outcomes except which was observed in Russia or China, because this is what it was created for, to convince retards to engage in grievous self harm because it will totally make an actual utopian idea come true.

>>717360179 (OP)
It'd basically just be VRchat.

>>717360179 (OP)
bruh

>>717363094
Shut up if you havent even read his bullshit, please.
He proposed a retarded 4 step plan for utopia, once you distill his ramblings on what he thought should be done down.
step 1: revolution
step 2: restructure society (aka enact total fascism in order to have the needed control over the people and force them to comply)
step 3:??????? (somehow make the magic stuff happen lol?
step 4: having brought about utopia, the fascist overlord government with literally unlimited power will "wither away" naturally as it is "no longer necessary

His stupid fucking plan is exactly what every communist country has done, and they all went the same way at step 2.

>>717363456
You don't unless you make a certain amount a year and it's called an LLC which is nothing like license in China that gov can deny or take away without a reason.

>>717363461
It's like they want to be serfs under a techno-feudal lord.

the global south and third world communists only want communism to enact reparations on the west/global north

>>717363601
Why do you keep continuing with this nitwit "argument", are you 13 years old? Absolute brainrot lmao

>>717363507
>He didn't believe a single word of that shit he wrote
where did you get THIS from?

>>717363391
I don't see how work itself could ever actually be eliminated. How to do you perfectly automate food or water production? Someone has to be involved to oversee it's distribution, or do the manual labor involved in farming, cutting, packaging, transporting,etc. If it's all just robots farming, and robots building robots, and robot AIs managing robots to make this all work out. Then someone work would still have be done at at least a high level to determine in what direction the robots should turn their focus to meet the greatest need or the greatest good, which would would require some amount of human participation. And if anything like a passion project were created, well then of course people would get involved as robots have no passion to begin with.

>>717360179 (OP)
None, videogames get banned because of possible revisionism

Anyway, we have to go back to discussing why MY communism is more communist than your shitty ass excuse of a communism

>>717363696
>zero arguments
>only "shut up stop saying it!" and insults
another communist assmad about the bitter truth.

>>717363729
you need startrek level tech. resource scarcity has to be eliminated.

>>717363696
>lmao i said <newfag buzzword> I WIN I WIN I WIN
holy newfag nigger and your newfag ass is going to believe i'm the fag replying to you

>>717362773
catcat would never

>>717363672
I seriously don’t mean this as a gotcha, but how could you expect anything but just that, technofeudalism, out of communism if we tried it again today?

>>717363672
it sure is disappointing sharing a planet with middle-of-the-bell-curve chinese rooms and then outright sociopaths at the far end with zero empathy

>>717363601
>Shut up if you havent even read his bullshit
Unironically no u
Fucking retarded kids, I swear

>>717363889
people are not taught history nor how to understand human behavior beyond a checklist and some nice little boxes to shove things into.

>>717360179 (OP)
all games are indie and free to play but you cannot own them

>>717363965
>I called him retarded holy fukkkkk I WIN I WIN I WIN

>>717360179 (OP)
Well, for a utopian classless society you'd likely not want games that show different classes, so things like TF2 and any traditional RPG wouldn't be allowed.
It'd probably emphasize either meaningless abstract games or hyper narrative games where the player has little control over how the character and story develops.

>>717363889
It would be different because it just will ok chud

Communism will never be achieved. Embrace markets like China did before you collapse like the USSR.

>>717363965
>the communist hasn't even read marx
many such cases lmao
Its a hilarious read because he comes off as such a spoiled brat.
My favorite is still his idea that using company profits to give your workers better tools so they can produce more with the same or less labor is "stealing" from them.
Knowing the backstory (and fake job) of his retarded friend who was his sole source of info on how companies and factories actually worked makes it even funnier.

>>717363237
>Those innovations were made to gain an edge over a competitor
No they weren't you cocksucking faggot. Neither examples given were used in games that had any contemporaries. They had no direct competition to gain a advantage over. You are repeating pro-capitalist buzzwords like a fucking AI.
>Duhhhhh when would you release the game if you don't need money?
You say that like Valve hasn't worked this way from the start.
>An argument could be made that not having IP protections would be a good thing for games
It could be made, but only by a total fucking retard. No IP protection under a capitalist system means software has no monetary value and can't be sold.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, just like every libertarian ever.

>>717363461
well then do the revolution and give me those so i dont have to work

>>717363889
There will be a point in history where human labor loses all it's value and if the main driving force of the world is profit that isn't necessarily going to be good for people whose existence hurts the shareholders returns. Letting silicon valley into the government should be a horrifying idea. That's all I'm saying.

>>717364120
Communism always wins.

>>717360179 (OP)
>but a true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned
I dunno.
But I assume it involved Fredrich Engels paying for everything.

Has Cuba or North Korea achieved true utopian communism yet?

>>717363280
It's not like profit motive entirely disappears under socialism. "No private property" is talking about land, not objects.
The primary difference in employment would be that you aren't forced to work a job you despise to survive, you can choose a job that meets a balance of needs. People with programming skill and a desire for luxuries will still partner up and sell games.

>>717360179 (OP)
>How would video games look like a in a new communist world order
They won't look any way since they don't contribute to the global economy and are capitalist brainrot.
What these commies online believe that they would just spend the rest of their days teaching kids arts is nonsense, they would be forcefully sent to the mines or refineries to die of black lung because protective material is too expensive for the mother land.

>>717364324
nta there will be a point where communism, or least aspects of it, WILL gradually need to be introduced.
that doesnt change how it is still a pie in the sky dream, nor does it change all the "stairways to heaven" people keep building to reach it upon mounds of human suffering and corpses.

>>717364304
haha gotcha ;-)

>>717360179 (OP)
reminder that
>80% of the world is capitalist
>20% of the world is communist

>80% of that capitalist world is living under shit living standards
>80% of the communist world is livin under good living standards

>90% of the actually rich capitalist world is made up of ex-colonialist countries who were already far richer than the rest even before any communist/capitalist split became a thing
>90% of the communist world was semi-medieval level shitholes before the communist takeover and got reformed in just a couple decades, while the rest of poor countries from this time are still shitholes

>80% of the people who ever lived in communist countries still do,
>overwhelming majority of people who lived who lived in communist/socialist countries in yugoslavia and USSR but no longer do believe life was better under communism/socialism

communism never failed, it is just being challenged by the aggressive westurd imperialist empire, but will win under your lifetime
China already overtook the west in both RnD and manufacturing, and they will inevitable overtake the uncontested leading position in the world in a decade or two
the west will inevitably crash under it's debt (which is already growing faster than it's economy) as the taps of underpaid resources from global south will dry up, and the taps of overpaid rent from monopolies will be challenged by Chinese industry
the west can no longer contain China's development or defeat them in a conventional war

you will have free/cheap housing, healthcare, education, good public services, low crime rates, no mass migrations or constant wars, and there is nothing you can do about it anymore

>>717363714
From looking at his actual biography?
>Bastard of an aristocrat
>Decadent alcoholic and homosexual
>Married his sister
>High degree freemason
Why would he even take that drivel about "workers" seriously? It is unlikely that he ever saw an actual worker with his own eyes, not to mention actually thinking about them.
It's even worse with Engels, since he was a rich business owner.

Marxist class struggle theory crashes when applying it to its own authors.
A worker who works against his class interests is called a scab, and it is given that he does to for egoistic personal benefit. But how would you call people of capitalist class working against their own class interests, and what motivates them? Even pre-schoolers won't believe tales about genuine altruism.

>>717364496
no really revolution when

>>717364324
>Letting silicon valley into the government should be a horrifying idea. That's all I'm saying.
Anon, the Silicon Valley exists because the state funded its creation.
I do not in any way mean this as a blackpill or demoralization, but they’re already way in there. We’re speaking to each other on the internet that they created right now.
>There will be a point in history where human labor loses all it's value
I would have to agree with the other anons itt that we will only reach this point if we manage to achieve post-scarcity, and who knows how many centuries or even millennia we are from that possible future.
>if the main driving force of the world is profit
I believe that the profit motive will erode first before the issue of finite resources does. In fact, shedding the profit motive is the most sure fire way that humanity will be able to unite and achieve post-scarcity.
I think that although the profit motive has been the grease in the wheels up to this point that it won’t always be. I believe the Information Age we’re living though right now could possibly begin to affect that change within a couple of generations.

>>717364492
>there will be a point where communism, or least aspects of it, WILL gradually need to be introduced.
I know this. It's frustrating that 90% of people can't get past "communism is le bad" midwittery. I'm pretty sure that within our lifetimes we are going to see some of the mass automation that will start to greatly reduce the power and wealth of the working class and people are just gonna roll over and let it happen.

>>717364691
Holy schizo delusional, move to Cuba my boy, all your dreams will be fulfilled..

>>717364914
>power and wealth
>the working class
>>717364975
gottem with that buzzword, /b/ro!!!

>>717364691
>"X political ideology will win in your lifetime"
Anon agrarian society is ending in our lifetime
These ism's will mean nothing when we are nomads fleeing constant destructive weather and foraging for food.

>>717363013
How is it exploitation to want to keep your own house for yourself and your family?

>>717360179 (OP)
Karl Marx was a grifting midwit hack who contributed to at least a hundred million deaths.

>>717360179 (OP)
Why do you insist on pretending to be retarded for attention?

>>717364439
North Korea is the closest things to perfect communist country there ever was. The economy is completely centralized and state owned. The government owns all the means of production.

>>717364732
so you literally don't know anything about him, how he wrote, his behavior, his thought process, his friends, how they thought, etc.
You just made shit up without even looking.

He is a textbook example of every angry far-left type that wants to burn down the system around them but has no idea of how to make things work.

>>717364914
>90% of people can't get past "communism is le bad" midwittery
that is because 90% of all talk in favor of communism is from fuckwitted retards who want to tear down everything and magically replace it with paradise NOW, or the jackassed conmen pulling their strings who are only in it for their own benefit.
Your existence is in itself an extreme rarity.

>>717361392
Games were best in the 90s when the profit motive didn't occupy all the ten spots in the top ten of reason that games were made.

>>717363729
>I don't see how work itself could ever actually be eliminated
That's why I didn't focus on that scenario. But in theory, we could achieve post scarcity society within reasonable limits. Like, most people nowadays are not at any risk of starvation. If we could create fully automatic farms, road renewal and so on we could most likely expect that there would be enough people that would just WANT to maintain it all, while everyone else could just do fuck all, including making some shitty games no one would ever want to play.
But realistically people would still have to work. So, you won't be able to just do nothing, or even pursue your passions if the public at large is not interested in what you're making.

>>717364732
>Psychopath and pathological liar projects himself on all others, can't comprehend empathy or altruism
Many such cases
You should be put down

>>717365014
Why don't you move to the Communist countries though?

my problem with marxist fuckers is that they are against reformists and the welfare state and only see revolution as the only option, like some kind of second coming of Jesus Christ

Social Democracy is the way.

>>717365058
>perfect communist country
ah yes, with their staple food of grass, destruction of their environment, etc.

>>717364975
yeah I forget this one from the list
>90+% of the people with shitty living standards who are living in communist countries are living in countries that were subjects of extreme, continuous sanctions and aggressions by the westurd empire

how does a classless, moneyless, borderless, stateless society work?

>>717365154
Bark like a bitch and type the buzzword, newfag nigger.

>>717365175
Yeah, almost like putting in practice the retarded theories of a imbecile with zero experience or authority is a bad idea.

>>717365038
hundreds.
pretty much every fucking dictatorship and bloody conflict/revolution from the 20th century can be attributed to his influence.

>>717360294
You think no one has read the manifesto?
Do you realize that you sound like a fundie talking about the Rapture?

>>717365014
>>power and wealth
>>the working class
Maybe should have said the middle class is getting evaporated.

>>717365275
it just... works

>>717365275
If you're a paleolithic human living with a nomadic tribe, sure.

>>717364878
>humanity will be able to unite

Lol, and pigs will fly. Commies are literally religious persons

>>717360891
I want to test Capitalism where it's basically the same except instead of redistributing items to people who need them they all go to one guy chosen at random when we start the server. He can only wear 1 suit of legendary armor at a time, but he'll get 1000 sets while everyone else struggles to find mid-tier gear.

>>717365276
>can't answer
>seethes
I can't believe Communism lost again.

>>717365275
You sit around a bonfire with your trans and non-binary queer folk and talk about critical race theory all day.

>>717365262
>WE WILL NOT LET YOU EXPLOIT US ANYMORE WE ARE COMMUNIST
>Ok we won't interact with you anymore
>WHAT THE FUCK WHY AREN'T YOU EXPLOITING US WE CAN'T LIVE LIKE THIS
You can't have your cake and eat it too, hypocrite.

>>717365275
you need total startrek technology and room to expand wherever.
life needs to become effectively a sandbox server.

>>717360179 (OP)
>True communism hasn't been tried

But to answer your question, perhaps games like disco Elysium? The creators of that were commies after all.

>>717365434
I’m not a commie, but I am indeed a religious person. I’m no misanthrope; I think most people are good people.

>>717365320
Incredible read, 10/10

>>717364492
>>717364914
what you are talking about is the process in which as productivity increases certain goods and services become so cheap and ubiquitous, we can take them for granted, but scarcity will always exist in some form due to how human preferences work

>>717365084
>so you literally don't know anything about him
Maybe it's you who doesn't know shit.
Socialism is a religion for all intents and purposes. "Karl Marx" who people get taught about is not an actual Karl Marx that once lived, it's a mythological character with a carefully cultivated image. The actual Karl Marx can only be reconstructed from extrapolation of available details, and very few people look into that. Even assumed "wrongthinkers" never bother, since they got a juicy tasty fact about how he was a joo, which is apparently everything one needs to know. I've never seen anyone pointing at obvious conclusion that the jewish family was his adoptive family. And that goes for any other faced of his life.

>>717365320
>that pic
lot of shitty words to describe that there were 2 sides battling in the ussr since the beginning, a more liberal side and a more hardline communist revolutionary one
ofc the liberal one was the stupid and naive one, they are the reason why USSR collapsed, and why China split from the USSR and are thriving instead

>>717365118
Have you people literally never seen any actual socialist policy positions
Have you never once heard of UBI
You don't need to eliminate labor and possessions, you eliminate private property and the need to work to achieve baseline survival.
People like to be useful, people like contributing to their community, people like making things, people like buying things. You can have an entire capitalist system for art and luxuries on top of the provided basics.
Not only is this better for everyone involved except the currently ultra-wealthy in direct and obvious ways it also provides real incentives to improve pay and conditions for the most essential work - if people aren't struggling to survive you can't exploit them to do things like farming and child care for pennies.

>>717360179 (OP)
>How would video games look like a in a new communist world order
All that I do know is that it wont have any slop shit like live service, microtransactions, battle-royale, and battle passes

>>717365150
Did I offend your religious sensibilities? Eat shit subhuman.

>>717365606
>but scarcity will always exist in some form
then communism will never be possible.
its as simple as that.

>>717365639
no shit socialism is a religion.
you have never met any of the thousands of rich spoiled brats who buy into said religion.
Marx is just another one of them.
Everything about him is identical.

>>717360179 (OP)
>Leftypol thread

>>717365038

>>717365660
>People like to be useful, people like contributing to their community
Lmao look at this faggot
He has never seen a nigger in his life

>>717365501
>Ok we won't interact with you anymore
lmao, you mean "we will force literally the entire fucking world to not interact with you, otherwise they will be also sanctioned"
"also we will do a bunch of literal terrorist attacks against you, will sabotage your economy with covert operations, and also continuously trying to destabilize your society through all sorts of psychological operations"

>>717365356
I agree with you there.
>>717365453
What does you being a 2016+ newfag nigger have to do with this discussion?

>>717365660
>People like to be useful, people like contributing to their community, people like making things, people like buying things. You can have an entire capitalist system for art and luxuries on top of the provided basics.
Are lefties unironically living in a pink dream world?

>>717365035
because you're a slave and good slaves should obey their masters

white tankies in the west that glaze china all day on social media for free should immigrate there imo desu

>>717365787
>we will force literally the entire fucking world to not interact with you, otherwise they will be also sanctioned"
No? Show men and example of this happening.
>also we will do a bunch of literal terrorist attacks against you, will sabotage your economy with covert operations, and also continuously trying to destabilize your society through all sorts of psychological operations"
What like every country does?

>>717365825
You think you have to be a leftist to not be an anhedonic, antisocial couch potato? That sucks man.

>>717365825
>>717365769
>I disagree with you and my evidence is that I am a terrible hateful shitstain of a person that assumes everyone else sucks as hard as I do
Great argument! Die in a fire!

>>717365650
>they are the reason why USSR collapsed
no, the USSR collapsed because it was a retarded shitshow that tried to micromanage its economy down to individual prices per town with a single centralized committee, tried to outdo america in an economic war it was DWARFED in by the space race, and because the entire time it was unable to feed itself.
the USSR was running on literal feudal serf slave labor for its crops until the 70's, whereupon it had to free them because they were SO depressed they weren't having sex and their population had plummeted.
this resulted in even MORE of their population dropping as most of them instantly took their freedom and fucked off from the farms.

>>717365802
>>can't answer
>>seethes
>I can't believe Communism lost again.

>>717364449
Which means you get sent to the mines

>post on the VIDEO GAMES imageboard of the 4CHAN website
>people begin typing random DIRECTIONS to "own" other anonymous posters
lol

>>717365402
seize the means of production of skyrim

>>717365919
The irony of this post.
It's almost art.

>>717365919
Prove me wrong anon
Shows us the unemployment rates of niggers and their disproportionately criminality.

>>717365765
So that makes it ok for Stalin and assorted communist to kill millions?

>>717366052
I don't think you know what irony is.

>>717360179 (OP)
>Real communism has never been tried!

>>717365919
>libtard seething as his fancy words prove to be gold plated turds yet again

>>717366019
I have impregnated many a woman in Skyrim

>>717360179 (OP)
Doesn’t look like it would be a very fun video game.

>>717366096
they were revisionists, tsarists and counter-revolutionaries, they had it coming

>>717366054
>Prove me wrong
I don't need to.
There are already plenty of studies on UBI.
It works exceedingly well.

My favourite game about Communism is Don't Starve.

Most predictions of Marx came true under capitalism

>self realization and to do the work that you want (fishing in the morning, herding sheeps in the afternoon, critiquing books in the evening)
>planned economy under market capitalists like amazon
>welfare state enables less misery, exploitation
>consumerism and neutral commodities gives me the impression of a classless society

>>717366120
Great retort man

so if China is so communist and successful, why can I start a business there
and own a house or a car
and why does poverty still exist in China
and what problems does communist China not have that we in the decadent West do have that can only be resolved by switching to communism

someone mentioned patent squatting before, and yeah that's annoying. I don't like patent squatting. You can't prove it doesn't exist in China though. In the West, I am free to develop around it. I -could- develop the schememsis systemesis and sell it and 2k or whoever it is could sue me but then we'd have an answer on the real status of the nemesis system. Meanwhile, if I tried to develop the sinosis hansystem in China, I'd get shot for impersonating a national treasure

tl;dr: the shortcomings of capitalism are only ever temporary because it is ultimately a system that excels when fraternity is concerned and at its worst will only ever slow to a crawl under gluttony. Yes, gluttony. Not greed. Greed is good because it's really hard to fuck up paying people to do something to get you more of something; whether those people -should- be agreeing to your terms of exchange is a different story and falls under the fraternity vs gluttony argument.

>>717366234
if it works so incredibly well then why does it mysteriously never work outside of a handful of tiny countries who have far less internal issues and economic troubles, hmmm?
and why are those same countries now starting to struggle?

>>717366234
>pay people to not contribute to society
Wow yeah man brilliant!

>>717366186
Defend the Holodomor.

Doesn't Singularity and Atomic Heart take place in a world taken over by commies?

>>717366456
the kulaks hoarded and burned the grain

>>717365886
you don't realize how fucking brainwashed you are that such a basic fact seems absurd to you
fun fact, US invaded, bombed, overthrew dozens of countries in the last decades, always because of some economic interest. The only reason they hate commies and why you are being brainwashed to hate them usually with blatant lies is because commies don't want to let westurds exploit the global south, which is the real source of the "capitalist" success story of the west, and why all the other capitalist countries are piss poor. The capitalist west just learned to outsource their poverty and underpaid labour to other regions, making it look like their people under capitalist rule live under decent standards, but this is a delusion of you only focusing on a minority of the capitalist world order, and one that is unsustainable even for the wealthy minority

>>717366349
The great lies you were told is that China and Russia where never really communist states

America was just terrified of another large territory being able to challenge their supremacy and super rich world police

>>717366364
Complicated topic that can not be broken down in a few sentences. It's actually due to multiple factors and reasons.

>>717366523
Lol.

>>717363461
just go to a church

>>717366539
yeah so lets all lower our living standards with communism to make it fair so we can eat mud pies like the haitians and cow shit like the indians

>>717366125
There has never been a communist nation. Communism is a point of technological progress.

>>717366364
>Instead of doing five seconds of googling I'm going to make up some vaguely racist bullshit
Neat
>>717366450
Facts don't care about your feelings

>>717366691
You jest

>>717365650
>this commie cope
China was propped up by the West as a counterbalance to the SU, it only survived and thrived because it opened itself to the market system.
You can only measure Chinese success by the metrics of Capitalism, China is great because it has a consumer class now, because it has mega-corporations to provide it with cheap goods and services and mass mindless entertainment, Xi wears a suit and not a chinese traditional anything or Mao's military garb.
There's no effective alternative to the Capitalist mode of production.

>>717365660
>eliminate the need to work to achieve baseline survival
Most of Western Europe already has done this in a way, since the welfare state is really strong. But it's not "utopia," people who don't work subsist on the taxes (and/or labor) of those who do. And most people are motivated to work because they don't want the bare minimum, but prosperity for themselves. If everyone has the same living standard, then there's less motivation to work. It's not like more people being unemployed would mean the end of the world, but it's more than likely that any society would have to reward people for their work and/or ostracize those who do not work in order to function properly.

>>717363461
You literally do not have a right to those things. The world owes you NOTHING.

>>717366539
Damn you are retarded.
How's that forcing? Why is the US obligated to do business with your shit hole commie country?
>US invaded, bombed, overthrew dozens of countries in the last decades
Oh no, no country ever did that!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union
You need to face the facts, commie. Your failed ideologies just that. Move on.

>>717366807
>Most of Western Europe already has done this in a way, since the welfare state is really strong
Hahahaha holy shit
Your fat dumb American ass actually believes this

>>717364691
>>80% of the communist world is livin under good living standards

>>717366553
you are over correcting the narrative, they really fucking tried to make it work and every intellectual at the time praised how the Soviet Union was the model of the future, the country where a class of intelligent educated bureaucrats rule in favor of the people instead of greedy capitalists

>>717364182
>Its a hilarious read because he comes off as such a spoiled brat.
I mean, he literally was, both in childhood and adulthood

>>717360179 (OP)
It would just be that upcoming game Baby Steps in a different setting.
You’d play a forever NEET in his 30s who is suddenly thrust into the workforce and has to learn how to walk. Riveting gameplay at the bread lines and your state-assigned grocery clerk job.

>>717366818
>No one has rights
Unga bunga brother

>>717360179 (OP)
>soviet union
>China
Both of those were communist the same with Albania and the same is the case with DPR Korea, Laos, Cuba and Vietnam.
You say their not true communist because you want to support imperalism, Ukraine, south 'korea' and NATO whilst still calling yourself a communist. It's classic example of how trots and wokies like you are sythetic leftists and social fascists

most countries already have pic related things. we live in socialism.

we need more gay buttsex now

>>717360179 (OP)
Papers Please has an interesting portrayal.

>>717366883
I'm literally living in social housing in France rn and have my college tution payed by the state. I can go and get all food for free and my parents get money for being unemployed. I can live my life and not have to work a single day under the current system.

>>717366608
>Complicated topic that can not be broken down in a few sentences
but I just did. why can't you?
perhaps its because
>studies have largely lost credibility where there are politics and money to be made
>the nations implementing UBI had a strong, stable, internal culture
>the nations implementing UBI had a much bigger relative budget because another country was supplying them with massive amounts of military aide
>things are falling apart because they took in a bunch of random raghead niggers raised under rape culture Islam

look at that, it really DID only take a few sentences to summarize it!

>>717366731
>"reee ur wrong and racist"
classic non argument

>>717365320
Everyone ignores the fact that to defend against communism taking root in western europe and south america the the west decided to make the worker the centre of society. They created the non ideology "liberal democracy" as a front rigging election to keep up the charade until the fall of the soviet union, then immediately went full mask off and bled the middle class dry to feed the rich.

>>717366818
Food, water, and shelter are freely available in nature.
But when capitalism was invented, those things all became the property of someone and were withheld from any new people who were born.
You can't even sleep on the ground without being kidnapped. (otherwise known as arrested)

>>717366925
I know, but its funny how easily you can pick up on it JUST from reading his bullshit.

>>717367068
Right and the French financial system and culture is doing SO well, right Achmed?

>>717360179 (OP)
The free association of producers decide to create a groundbreaking videogame. Since they have no electricity nor any computers to code their game on, nothing gets made.

>>717360179 (OP)
farming simulator 25 and it'll be the only game available.

>>717367140
>Food, water, and shelter are freely available in nature.
LMAO no they weren't
you had to fight and suffer for all of these things across most of the planet.
>commies are too stupid to even understand how ecosystems work

>>717365660
I'm a moderate libertarian/classic liberal and I unironically think that UBI might be a good idea in some form, from an economic point of view it's most similar to vouchers, it can be seem as a way of the government to return part of the money it has exproppriated through taxes, implement the UBI in place of any social program and you'd have relatively more economic freedom.

Can I have communism and workers rights without the glazing of non-whites, women and LGBTQ freaks

>>717366818
The world doesn't, but the governments we create, operate and pay do, and if they cease to be effective custodians of the human condition, they quite simply deserve to be beheaded.

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMYi94Hxi88

>>717367140
>be you, naked in nature
>OMG where's my free house?
>OMG why are the animals I want to eat running away and hiding?
>OMG why is this bear ripping me apart, doesn't it know I have a right to live????

>>717360179 (OP)
Every game will be Tetris

>>717362019
Me? Im going to create an “equity farm” to combat discrimination. Blacks will work the fields, be provided housing and food, have guaranteed jobs for their kids (and easy access to abortion), and ill distribute the fruits of the fields by selling their crops to whites, as to pull money from the privileged.

>>717367286
>we create, operate
>do

>>717364691
>communist has never been tried, but also it's really succesful, except when it isn't then it hasn't been tried
schrodinger's communism

>>717367068
Go back to your desert you sandnigger

>>717367286
I agree with you there. The problem is there are large swaths of people that think they are owed a 1st world life and safety because they simply exist.

>>717367281
the problem that everyone overlooks is the long term effects on culture without something solid grounding people.
I once spoke to a die hard communist raised in commie east germany before the wall fell, and even he had to agree.
Without the right culture any system will fall apart, and things like UBI encourage people to become spoiled brats in a way that threatens said culture.

>>717360179 (OP)
>utopia
>karl marx
why do niggers still fall for this meme

>>717367181
I have no idea. I'm just saying that I'm not an amerimutt and have actual experience of the European welfare system. Allah be willing, you won't have to be afraid of ending up homeless either, my American brother

>the commie scare propaganda is still in effect
how strong is this shit

>>717367269
In nature you can pick food off the trees or hunt animals. In capitalism you'll be arrested for stealing someone's fruit or hunting without a loicense.
In nature you can pick up some sticks and mud and make a home. In capitalism it will be deemed an illegal structure and destroyed.
In nature you can drink water from the river. In capitalism the river is poisoned with industrial chemicals so only the water that goes through the treatment plant is safe.

>>717367135
just because you are ignorant about it, doesn't mean it's a non ideology, you are no better than people who've never read marx criticising communism

>>717367282
Yes the DPRK has none of those ills

>>717367098
>Studies have lost credibility! It doesn't work!
lol
lmao
Just straight up lying and spouting racism

>>717360179 (OP)
This is my third post today regarding this
God help me
It isn't "how x looks like" it's "what x looks like" or "how x looks" retard

>>717367483
>In nature you can pick food off the trees or hunt animals
>"hur dur nature lets me freely roam the earth nothing will hurt me-
congratulations, you were killed and eaten by a lion/wolf/bear.
you are food too, stupid.

>>717360179 (OP)
They'd be only a topic of verbal folklore, since electricity will no longer be around

>>717367316
>tranime leftypol has entered the thread

Probably some fucking MMO that everyone is allowed to be involved in creative and mechanical decisions.

Yeah it would be a total fucking shit show. Some would say that the game should be made in the direction of seperate guilds working mutually as devs and that the concept of a dev team is a bourgeois one and therefore not in the spirit of Marx

Others would say that the dev team should be a dedicated one filled with those who have merit,experience and are experts in Marxists study to ensure the game never strays from the vision and to enforce and prevent any subversive elements and neo bourgeois activity such as meta fags (because saying one class of items is better than the other and one should have it, is advocating for property and property is theft and bourgeois.)

The Spanish Civil War shows that far lefts worse enemy is itself.


Can we just like not cling to the ideals of Adam Smith or Karl Marx and realize the issues of the 21st century needs a 21st century idea/system to solve and that these antiquated beliefs such as capitalism and socialism need to join the retirement home that Mercantalism, Fuedalism, and countless others occupy?

>>717367469
There were a lot of pretty reasonable criticisms levied against it in this horrible video games thread without resorting to red scare hysteria, I thought.

>>717367502
Kim Jong Un is a feminist

>>717367459
>see, a communist wrote a book titled My Vision of Socialism Is Not Utopian, that means it's not utopian

>>717367542
>actually doesn't know
ok religious freak.

>>717360768
Now quote some of the things Marx said about jews.

>>717363461
>I think people should be enslaved!
yeah, I take offense to that

>>717367459

>>717365765
>monarchists do some shit
>ermm... captialism... le BAD???

also

>not freely handing out food during a drought == causing famine

you people are so fucking stupid and the only reason you try to pull off this false equivalence bullshit is because you are still asshurt over being rightfully criticized for Holodomor, where state-imposed sanctions actually caused starvation.


I hope you get your retarded communist authoritarian "utopian" future one day and immediately get nerve stapled like the fucking insect cattle you are.

>>717362773
That seems like an normal amount of poison for the average catcat, id say?

>>717367463
Of course you have no idea, you're a parasite that lives off the hard work of other Frenchmen.

>>717367591
>Can we just like not cling to the ideals of Adam Smith or Karl Marx and realize the issues of the 21st century needs a 21st century idea/system to solve and that these antiquated beliefs such as capitalism and socialism need to join the retirement home that Mercantalism, Fuedalism, and countless others occupy?
You bet, and it will only get easier once the boomers die.

>>717365970
>the USSR collapsed because it was a retarded shitshow that tried to micromanage its economy
USSR collapsed because it's liberal leadership was too fucking rigid at adapting anything about it's economy not wanting to take away any current benefits from the people, even if in the short term this would be better for them

strictly controlled economy is great for a poor, heavily underdeveloped nation, as you can quickly improve the most important factors. USSR skyrocketed life expectancy, literacy rates, home ownership, and general living standards. So did China. Fine consumer goods is another thing tho, it needs a lot of trial and error testing from many competing companies. But USSR kept sticking to overly strict controls regarding consumer good manufacturing even in the 70s, meanwhile China adapted it's economy while still retaining a strict enough socialist control over it that it has to this day

>it was DWARFED in by the space race
lmao what are you talking about here
USSR achieved almost all of the space race's significant achievements, but most importantly they achieved the achievements that actually matter and weren't just dick measuring: they were the ones to gave us satelites and space stations, while the US gave us nothing other than propaganda.

USSR's space program was pioneered by their own talent while US was mainly pioneered by stolen nazis. Also USSR was the first to tap into nuclear energy. These are some amazing achievements for a country that was a semi-medieval shithole with 30y life expectancy just a few decades before.

>>717367483
Bait used to be believable

>>717367483
>what are poisonous plants
>what are water parasites
>what is weather
>what are predators

>>717360179 (OP)
Communism is about developing the productive capacity. Video games are not very productive other than for driving demand for more powerful computing.

>>717365765
The relationship between the East India Company and the British gov is most similar to today's State backed mega-corporations.

>>717367483
Are you sixteen years old

>>717367406
We're not owed these things unconditionally of course, but the general expectation is that a duly elected government's responsibility is to create the ideal conditions in which these things are relatively easy to acquire. Going full commie isn't particularly required, basic needs can be analysed as market forces and attended to in the same manner and as adeptly as they have with industries like arms. However, all they seem to be doing lately is making it all harder because they're geriatrics off doing their own thing with the nation under utopian notions rather than seeing to the responsibilities they are literally sworn to uphold and paid quite a lot to carry out.

why do retards simp so much for the rich who hate them?

>>717367560
Nobody stopped you from accessing natural resources. Natural resources belonged to everyone.
Now from the second you're born you're told that every square inch of the world belongs to some rich fool.
And you have to do whatever they want or die.

>>717367281
UBI works from every angle. The social theory is solid, the economic theory is solid, and studies have borne that out in practicality. The only reasons to be against UBI are being pro-exploitation or such a consummate misanthropist that you actually believe society can't function if people aren't desperate to survive.
Like this guy: >>717367428
He doesn't see people as people, as social beings that thrive on contribution and comparison and creation. He sees them as children, or worse beasts, unthinking creatures to be wrangled like cattle and driven by bare necessity.

>>717367728
>blah blah blah REEE USSSR STONK HOW DARE YOU MENTION SPACE RACE SOVIET STRONK SOVIET DO NUCLEAR FIRST BLAH BLAH BLAH
yeah gonna ignore all that bullshit if you are so stupid you don't understand the economic consequences of the space race for the USSR.
you are just a retard who saw space race and started sperging out over "they won REEE"

>>717367031
This is sound economic policy for the era Marx lived in. The first three are to prevent the development of an aristocracy. Four and five to prevent capital flight. six and seven to equalize access to the commons. 8 and 9 to prevent famine and provide basic necessities. 10 to replace labor as it ages out. Marx was a brilliant economist for his era, though most of these planks could be reconsidered in the 140 years since he died due to technology changes.

>>717367859
Own da libs = I trole u

>>717363280
Loji fucking sucks. And is cringe
Byung Chul-Han Germany is better

>>717367859
Why do retards simp so much for the glorious leaders who'll turn them into literal slaves

>>717367883
I think UBI might be seen in a more positive light if you weren't so gay when peddling it.

>>717366125
this meme should be the other way around

almost the entire capitalist world is piss poor shithole except for countries that were already richer even before capitalism/communism split, but capitalistfags will cope by claiming that those countries are not "real capitalists" so they don't count

>>717367876
sorry, dead retards who got eaten by wolves don't talk.
>>717367883
>I was proven wrong, so I must invent copius fanfiction about this anon to frame him as a monster
ok buddy who hurt you?

>>717361952
he turned into the troma guy

>>717367786
>what are parasites
A very hot fetish.

>>717367859
>The rich are..................le bad!
Don't worry anon, one day you'll turn 18 and start having a more intricate view of how the world works.

>>717367495
it's not a real ideology it's a meme combining liberal ideology which is right wing with leftist democrats, it worked to stop the political violence of post war late 50's japan so they copied it in the west

They would look invisible because they wouldn't exist. Mining coal is more important comrade. Now back to the mine.

>>717367876
>Natural resources belonged to everyone

In comes a Babylonian warlord that stabs you for mining copper ore in his lands without paying him tribute.

>>717367495
>anyone who criticizes marx just didn't read his holy words
fixed that for you

>>717367469
Anon some bullshit will never die until humans do.
Stupid shit like blood libel and corruption of the youth and made up indolence have been useful propaganda tools since the beginning of recorded history

>>717367859
why do retards simp so much for the brown, uneducated third world masses of lumpenproletariat that would sooner gut you than build true utopian communism

>>717367469
You are deflecting.

>>717366096
I just think it's weird how people like you mention 'le 50 billion starved by 'gomunism', but never ever acknowledged the mass death in India by the British, or even what we have currently with the middle-east.
I just think it's weird that a major point in history was conveniently exuded, just to make capitalism look good.
That one image of that every libertarian posts, that shows the high score for death tolls always has Mao at 1#, despite Churchill beating that record more than TWICE (165 million).

>>717367469
>>717368109
>commies assmad their bullshit is remembered and picked apart instead of being blindly followed

>communists 40 years ago were blown away at the idea of a grocery store and thought it was a government ploy to make them look bad
how anyone can still fall for this shit is beyond me.

>>717367876
Now from the second you're born you're told that every square inch of the world belongs to the party
And you have to do whatever they want or die.
Congrats you described communism

>>717368027
theyre importing hordes of foreigners that will forever change a nation and destroy it all for some more short term profit no communist country ever did that

>>717366234
>There are already plenty of studies on UBI.
>It works exceedingly well.
All those studies concluded that UBI allows the recipients to indulge in more leisure, but doesn't result in a productivity boost that would pay itself off. It very much fails due to its unsustainability.

>>717368180
because you only have that to bring up, you only STARTED bringing it up because we have an entire list of starvation and massacres to trot out for communism, while you niggers have to forcefully group things from different ideologies together to cope.

>>717368168
you mean the same brown third worlders being imported in your capitalist utopia for more GDP?

>>717368182
>i'm a le edgy incel misanthrope but i will never ever forget about the famines in some asian shitholes from 100 years ago

>>717367859
they are economically challenged millionaires

>>717367953
The eternal president>loji

>>717368003
>I intend to vote against my interests because the people who want to help me are kinda fruity or called me a name
Every Republican ever.

>>717368280
>It very much fails due to its unsustainability.
Ya but I won't be around for all that..

>>717368280
how DARE you try to interpret the holy texts (studies) when you are not a high priest ordained by god! (scientist like by news outlets)

>>717360179 (OP)
Is that not what Atomic Heart was meant to be

>>717367859
>why do retards simp so much for the rich who hate them?


I don't hate you
I actually dont care about you at all
Communists are just retarded and should be shot.
In fact I'd give away my entire nepo-baby portfolio to see these idiots cleansed from earth.

It's not business. It's just personal.

>>717367989
At least slaves get food and housing you cant even afford those things under glorious capitalism

>>717368180
Indians starving is a good thing, we would have 3 billion of them right now otherwise

>>717368109
>Stupid shit like corruption of the youth
rates of homosexualtranny mental illness per generation have rapidly shot up since homosexualtranny "acceptance" propaganda has been forced on western populations

>>717368393
>my interests
why should we vote for your interests though?

>>717367906
what the fuck is even your point anymore you tard
USSR spent around 1/3 to half of the money the US did on space race with great results, also the space race was seen as exploration/prevention of potential space warfare/bombing/surveillance threats at the time, so it's not like this was just some wasted dick measuring contest money by the USSR, but legitimate risk management investment.

Even more censored and docile than today's games

>>717367728
Im not from Russia so idk. But I always felt like Gorbachev got unfair amount of blame and flak for the collapse of the USSR and that the rot was already taking hold during brehznevs time and by the time Gorb took power it was too hollowed out to support anything for much longer.

But I see many people say that Gorb was just stupid in the implementation and it was that right there that caused the collapse. So was it a too little too late or did Gorb just fumble the diffibulator and cause cardiac arrest?

>>717368203
Anon, we get it, you're racist. You don't need to keep reminding us. Just post the protocols of the elders of zion or some other such bullshit and move on

>>717368003
>You're right, but you were mean to me :((

>>717368253
Our governments are doing that. It's not "rich people". What qualifies someone as rich anyway? You have a very simplistic take on who the bad guys are.

>>717367728
Why were they poor and underdeveloped in the first place? Because while the west liberalized and industrialized normally, they clung to feudalism and privileges for the old nobility. The communists themselves helped encourage this situation as they kept murdering anyone less radical than they were.
Throwing off the old elite did allow them to quickly implement industrialization but they subsequently stagnated by choosing idealism over pragmatism and never recovered until the tyrants died off and their successors allowed market liberalization.

>>717362418
Any of the people that actually made it to the top of commie governments in Soviet Union, Cuba, China or anywhere else were bank robbing, jungle dwelling guerrillas that were summarily executing hedonistic faggots and limpwristed bureaucrats left and right. Guys like Pol Pot were out there executing everyone that looked remotely nerdy or read a book once, smarmy redditors would never have stood a chance in any revolution (but of course, those weren't real communism)

>>717368393
>>717368537
I'm personally in favor of UBI regardless, but you lose the people when you start trying to push the rest of your archaic commie shit, UBI might work because of advanced Capitalism, not in spite of it.

>>717368393
and modern leftists interests are fuck whitey and muh decolonization and reparations

>>717367859
You want to replace them with a different group of people who have historically proven they'll do worse things to us.

>>717368280
>Yeah it results in a better society for everyone but WHAT ABOUT MUH PRODUCTIVITY
I wonder who is behind this post

>>717368491
USSR spent around 1/3 to half of the money the US did on space race
while having nearly 1/3 as big as an economy.
retard.
the USSR was a very poor shithole in comparison to america at literally every instance of its entire existance.
they spent far more relative while having far more severe internal problems with starvation LMAO

>>717368293
The deaths that happened had numbers at 100m, at the minimum.
Every historian has the consensus that the deaths were more than Mao, and Stalin combined.
Yet we ignore that because capitalist don't want to be the ones that actually hold the title with the most deaths by political ideology.

>>717367883
Yeah bro pay people to not work, that's a great way to stimulate the economy!

>>717360179 (OP)
>a true post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned
they wouldn't exist, because to get there would require nerve stapling or some other fictional technology to remove free will from humans and undo 'the human conditions' at which point art would cease to exist and people would become lay automata that exist only to toil

>>717368597
material conditions forced them to do that. they needed able-bodied anprim gigachads to implement historically progressive methods and develop their productive forces.
not like you'd understand any of this.

>>717368569
yes our governments who are owned by the rich are importing them solely for the benefit of the rich

>>717368180
>but never ever acknowledged the mass death in India by the British


Maybe it's because in india you weren't shot for picking up a "state owned" potato from the street, you moron.

There is more to communist-imposed famines than just
>le brown pypo hungy cause drought and bri'ish refuse to give gibs

>>717368479
>I don't know how to read
Neato
Also very typical of Republicans
Functional illiteracy among the right is quite high

>>717368536
>random bullshit, GO!

>>717368729
>ignores everything said to keep whining and bitching lmao
I accept your concession about how communism is worse, retard.

>>717368003
Gay how? Yang completely won the hearts and minds of young people on both sides when he made the concept of UBI widely known to the public. Its just that theyre vastly outnumbered by 3 previous generations that cant even fathom the concept and think its impossible because it sounds like "free money"

>>717368236
>keep global south poor through constant atrocities, surveillance, assassinations and overthrows
>buy up shitloads of underpaid resources including for food
>WOW look how my groceries are full of cheap products unlike that of those stupid anti-imperialist commies
late ussr retards fell for this meme and the region is still suffering it's consequences. The magic trick of rich capitalist countries is literally just taking shit away from people in other countries instead of your own

>>717368753
Except for the elites of course who would indulge in their sick hedonism. That little detail of communism is always left out.

>>717368808
>gets baited this easily
assmad commies drop the mask so easily

>>717368451
>More people publicly reveal they're gay when being gay in public doesn't get you murdered (as much)
What a shock
You am very smrt

>>717368687
do you understand where money, or the value of money, comes from?

>>717368820
you are doing it now

>>717368182
>Iran
>Indonesia
>Chile
>Phillipines
>Congo
oh wait it doesn't count if they are brown

>>717368735
Facts don't care about your feelings

>>717368856
>late ussr retards fell for this meme
go talk to anyone who actually lived there during that time. they fucking hated it.
"we pretend to work and the gov pretends to pay us" was a common joke.

>>717360430
There would be a red and yellow team, Red team would be the good guys and Yellow/Orange team would be the bad guys.

>>717368924
of course he doesnt.
commies are getting angry about nobody buying their bullshit so they are pulling in people from /pol/
common thing to happen when they start to get fucked.

>>717368890
>I was only pretending to be retarded!
Mm-hmm

>>717368963
go talk to anyone who actually lived there in the 90s lol

>>717367989
Crabs in a bucket. It's always crabs in a bucket.

>>717368525
Gorbachev is blamed for the collapse, because most people now agree that the USSR needed market reforms and had to hold itself together through authoritarian policies (what Deng Xiaoping did) to not collapse. Instead, Gorb's reforms were ineffective and didn't improve the standards of living while the increased freedom of speech only lead to the rise of nationalist movements.

>>717360179 (OP)
>How would video games look like a in a new communist world order?
Like Playstation exclusives.
All the same.

>>717368941
The average American with jerk off to the thought of their own neighborhood and house being bombed, as long as the one doing the bombing is the USA, and more brown people died than white people.

>>717369056
I have.

I thought communist revolutionaries were perfect saintly men of the people, what the fuck is fidel castro doing photographed with epstein???

>>717369050
>doesn't even know the memes properly
LMAO

>>717369056
I have. they hated it and said the same shit, stupid
the only people who liked it were spoiled ones living in east germany or one of the two main cities in russia.

>>717369137
i haven't lol what did they say

>>717368820
I agree Yang was a threat to both democrats and republicans in the same way sanders was, and i agree he got a lot of young people on board with free money promises to a generation about to be very poor compared to their parents, but that doesnt make his concept any better. Planned economies with more than like 10 million people in them do worse in all measurable ways. Japan is a hyper industrialized society better educated than america on average, and its very-slightly-beyond-europe economic controls and welfare are major contributing factors to it being a complete economic failure on a national level for 40 consecutive years.

>>717360179 (OP)
It would be the same slop we have today except dev studios won't get shut down when they fail.

>>717367859
It's because cattle getting fed this nonstop in Fox News and other media.

>>717368924
The value of any currency, but especially a fiat currency, is based on trust.
You haven't made any actual claims, but you have insinuated that a reduction in productivity would be nebulously bad. In reality it's only bad for the ultra-wealthy.
Suck my dick chaim.

>>717369056
I like how today's commies have decided that the consequences of their retarded system are actually everyone else's fought, it only took 2 decades for you retards to recyle all of your old stupid rethoric.

>>717369180
>better educated
that doesnt nearly matter as much as how japanese are better BEHAVED than americans, anon.

>>717368892
happy pride month :)

>>717368808
> But but my interests are OUR interests WAAGH YOU HAVE TO VOTE THE WAY I DO OR ITS NOT OUR INTEREST!
> Our interest meaning everyone not from that country getting free stuff.
lol. No, your "our" can leave the country any time, we are here to stay.

Totally bro let's just give people money to sit on their asses and do nothing! Our country's employment crisis is solved! Oh where do we get the money to pay for state UBI you ask? Why, from working citizens of course! Oh we have no more working citizens because everyone is collecting a free paycheck? Uh ummmm hmmm.....

>>717369239
>a reduction in productivity would be nebulously bad.
nta but holy shit.
literally "food comes frum da store" tier thinking on display.

>>717369148
fake news

>>717369180
>Japan is an economic failure
lol
lmao

>>717360179 (OP)
Low effort, bare minimum to avoid getting thrown in prison or being reassigned to a shittier job.

>>717369251
>consequences of a retarded murderous communist system is when you implement retarded economic reforms that cause 5 million surplus deaths

>>717368597
Pol Pot was such a hilariously terrible and stupid man lol

>>717369420
so, a typical communist

>>717368705
you are a retard anon

the fact that the USSR had to spend proportionally much more on defense (which includes it's space project) IS the fault (and deliberate tactic) of the west who was terrorizing the USSR with a potential war the whole time.
Keep in mind, a couple decades ago a coalition of western countries just genocided 27 million soviets and almost managed to win, colonize the region and kill far more, meanwhile the rest of the west barely did jackshit, their contribution was like 10-20% of the ww2 war efforts, and worse is, now all these fucking countries are allied against the USSR, there is no longer an imperialist tug of war between them like there was in ww1-2, while the USSR only had a bunch of similarly poor as fuck and war wrecked countries that only reluctantly had to ally with it
USSR having to spend more on defense was not some stupid "miscalculation", it was necessary to keep the threat of yet Another catastrophic western invasion away
also there were no famines in ussr after the one caused by ww2

>>717369387
America fucked Japan over 40 years ago and it still hasn't recovered since

>>717369471
Far worse. Genuinely a bit dumber than the average red t-shirt owner imo

>>717369520
Taiwan however is still successful compared to China.

>>717369180
>>717369387
japans economic problems have more complex shit involved.
their population decline as well as some really nasty shit that rocked their economy with realestate bubbles popping in the 80's-90's, on top of their industrial production on a global level getting replaced with china's all significantly skew things.

>>717360179 (OP)
>karl marx envisioned
he specifically didn't have a vision and left up to the victorious revolutionaries

>>717369507
>its actually just a fucking braindead zigger spouting russian propaganda now
LMAO
into the trash it goes.
>also there were no famines in ussr after the one caused by ww2
look up what your shithead nation had to do in the 70's after your farming slaves ran away, stupid.

>>717360996
The difference is who is in the top of the pyramide

>>717369167
he was able to make some decent money considering their CoL by just reselling bulk, and got a nice place there. he said the main thing he missed was that there was no shortage of hot women who were DTF, but virtually everything else was a nightmare, and then fled a couple years before covid for a mix of reasons; one being he was on a gov watchlist for accidentally wandering into a protest.

>>717368768
Oh wow, you're telling me they needed capable people because capable people can actually implement systems? Of any kind? Yeah no shit. Those same guys could have implemented any system of their choice, socialist or otherwise. The closest you can get to an utopia, socialist or otherwise, is with capable guys. Not self-proclaimed proud weaklings that wear every sickness of the mind and body they have on their sleeve like a war medal.

>>717369551
anon. I know how dumb he was.
they were killing people for needing to wear glasses.
you don't understand the stupidity of the typical red t-shirt owner and how they exist now in their safe spaces on the internet.

>>717369353
Coward that you are, make a point or stop replying.
You've done nothing but make quite stupid insinuations.
Here you're insinuating reduced productivity in white collar work is going to somehow lead to famine, or that people will somehow refuse to farm if they are at basic level of survival.
In reality the pay and conditions for farm work would improve to attract workers.

Society can function without exploiting the most desperate among us to do the most essential work for the least pay.

>>717360179 (OP)
Nigger

>>717368878
no-no
I stuck to the fantasy premise of OP. It's a 'successful' communist utopia, so even the elites destroyed their own brains to achieve complete global saturation. I don't know why that happened in this fictional bullshit scenario but it did

>>717369754
so false... you don't understand dialectics

>>717369507
>the fact that the USSR had to spend proportionally much more on defense (which includes it's space project) IS the fault (and deliberate tactic) of the west who was terrorizing the USSR with a potential war the whole time.
Hmm... I wonder why the West (the US) could spend all these money and the USSR couldn't? Could it be that the west had a system that was much better at producing wealth?

I dunno anon, maybe we can put try to pitch the idea to developers and also ask them to make a game where the fourth reich actually succeeded to use it as a fantasy setting the same way you ask for your fantasy commie utopia. Both are shit ideologies, but if we don't have to follow reality maybe it could be fun.

>>717369771
>retarded commie doesn't know what nta means
LMAO how many of you newfags are they pulling in here for your bullshit?
babbling words that have no substance when you don't even understand the issues a drop in productivity would cause is hilarious.
you don't even know HOW society functions.

>>717369806
>I don't know why that happened in this fictional bullshit scenario but it did
probably because you're mentally disabled

>>717369409
Do you realize how massively wealth the Soviet Union land is?
It has nigh infinite energy resources and fertile lands and everything you could ever wanted to build an utopia (that's how they managed to build the astronomically huge armed forces they have been burning for 3 decades straight in random conflicts with no end in sight) and your system created the worst example of class disparity ever seen, each well connected soviet burecraut became an oligarch wealthier than any capitalist, Putin personally controls more wealth than any Rockfeller.

>>717369670
what fucking propaganda anon, the whole "arming war of atrition on the USSR, literally ruining their economy by forcing them into overspending on militarization that the west knows the USSR's overall smaller economy can't keep up with" is a well accepted fact even in the west
>look up what your shithead nation had to do in the 70's
still don't know what the fuck are you even referring to. There was no famine in the 70s, nor later

>>717369934
yeah the russians are retarded they even failed at liberalism

>>717369239
>t a reduction in productivity would be nebulously bad. In reality it's only bad for the ultra-wealthy
my nigga, it's precisely high productivity that allows the existence of excess wealth that would be needed for UBI to work, your argument is self-defeating.

I don't think you anons know, or even comprehend how much the top .1% are actually hoarding.

A game set in a utopia? Probably pretty fucking boring, no? As a utopia automatically implies there is zero conflict.

>>717369973
>retarded russian zigger is too stupid to do anything but mindlessly repeat his propaganda
>doesnt realize his nation nearly starved in the 70's and had to buy up food from everyone else because all their farmer slaves ran away

>vidya is bourgeois, back to the factory
Reminder that Twitch socialism is not a coherent ideology, let alone communism

I would do my job on a dev team, I would not do exceptional work, nor shoddy work. I will only do what is necessary to remain unnoticed. If you work to well someone will become jealous of you. If you are too lazy then you will be punished. No, the answer is perfect mediocrity. Doing nothing to standout, or 'raise the bar' with my actions.

>>717369898
>Make a point instead of vague insinuations you fucking coward
>"No."
I accept your concession

Karl Marx is redundant

Like his whole spiel is this:

>"In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic." -Karl Marx

you can already do this. apply to welfare and keep doing the shit that you want.

>>717370201
>too stupid to even look up what nta means
kek

>>717370148
it very consistently redistributes wealth into the pockets of the content creators though

>>717370148
Always reminds me of the smash capitalism sticker on an apple laptop.

>>717370092
BUT AI WILL REVOLUTIONIZE EVERYTHING AND TAKE US TO THE STARS AND MAKE CIVILIZATION MORE EFFICIENT

>>717370126
Finland live pretty happy lives, yet their games are insane.
There's something very soyy about wanting global suffering to continue, just so you can consoom the latest Marvel movie.

>>717360179 (OP)
Even supposing the government doesn't just use it a vehicle for propaganda and that technology would actually progress to the point video games could be made in a Communist society (neither one of these are realistic), with no financial incentive the only games that would ever be produced would be low effort indie slop made by one or two bored guys.

>>717362062
And how does that affect you personally?

>>717362302
>imagine what food tastes like

>>717370045
>All productivity is the same
>UBI only works with "excess wealth"
You seem to be confusing UBI with trickle down economics.
Does it hurt, being so confidently stupid?

>>717370316
Legend of Grimrock was fun until the point where I learned that you can just dance around enemies infinitely and take no damage. It ruined the game for me. How they didn't catch this during QA is a mystery to me.

>>717370384
>UBI only works with "excess wealth"
You need real goods and services to cash the checks you are distributing, otherwise you are just distributing rationing cards by another name.

>>717370384
>All productivity is the same
if only there was some way we could quantify it...

They would either be set in the past or some kind of apocalypse scenario since its supposed to be a world mostly bereft of political, social and economic conflict maybe some aesthetic wank too idk

>>717360179 (OP)
I dont know about commie video games, but the utopia Karl Marx envisioned is just capitalism or whatever, just as long he doesnt have to work and he gets paid for it. NEET bux, if you will.

>>717367728

Everyone on 4chan is a lumpen-prole with no applicable skillsets or worth to society, what does Marx say communism should do with them

>>717370502
>You need an economy to have an economy
>Therefore UBI bad
Wow what a concept
Someone put this anon up for the peace prize he's clearly a talented economist

>>717370316
It's happy and it just works because of the people. I'd be more bullish about a continued, long-term utopian tomorrow arriving one day if I was eating tree bark and moss in constant hunger in a forest surrounded by my own vs. getting to start in an air-conditioned apartment but being forced to try and nationbuild with a varied selection of American urban residents including the "bad neighborhoods"

Child 44 plot could work. Or anything that would disrupt the otherwise seemingly peaceful "utopia".
>During Stalin's rule of the Soviet Union in the early 1950s, Ministry of State Security (MGB) Agent and war hero Leo Demidov uncovers a strange and brutal series of child murders.
>However, MGB leadership refuses to acknowledge the deaths as murders because Soviet doctrine states that only capitalism creates serial killers.
>The son of Leo's partner is murdered by the serial killer and during Leo's investigation, his wife, Raisa, is accused of being disloyal to the state.
>Leo suspects that his amoral and ambitious enemy in the MGB, Vasili Nikitin, is behind the charges.
>Leo refuses to support the accusation and he is forced to take a demeaning militia position in the town of Volsk.

>>717365886
Never look up chiquita bananas on DuckDuckGo (Google is cancer)

>>717360179 (OP)
There's plenty of soviet scifi to draw inspiration from. Some of the stuff from Arkady and Boris Strugatsky and the like.

>>717369885
>Hmm... I wonder why the West (the US) could spend all these money and the USSR couldn't? Could it be that the west had a system that was much better at producing wealth?

US was far wealthier and more developed than the regions of USSR even before the commies took over. If anything the commies did a better than average job at trying to close the gap with rapid industrialization
USSR was also by far the most war wrecked country of WW2, suffering extreme devastation
meanwhile the US straight up got richer from WW2
Also US had shitloads of banana republics from where they were extracting wealth, and were generally part of the western world order, meaning they also benefitted from countries like UK or France importing cheap resources from their colonies. Meanwhile the USSR was in no such relationship with the countries under it's influence. In fact, USSR also felt inclined in trying to support the anti-colonialist movements all around the world, spending billions on it while getting nothing in return.

if the real reason for the west's lead in wealth was simply that it has a better economic model then most of the global south, who are similarly following this model, would be also rich by now, but they aren't, in fact proportionally there are more people in communists/ex-communist countries who are living under good living standards than people who living in capitalist countries. That's because capitalism is systematically about exploitation of people, the west just "cracked the code" by moving the exploitation to far abroad to the global south, and letting just enough wealth trickle to their own population to keep them content and stop them from rebelling for a better system

>>717367859
>why do retards simp so much for the rich who hate them?
Because commies use a vague nebulous concept of "the rich" to refer to anyone they are jealous of or feel is "too privileged".
They get angry their neighbor has a lambo and they don't then screech about privilege but will conveniently ignore the fact that the neighbor had to work a grueling 70 hour a week job for years to buy that lambo, while they choose to work part time as a dog walker and spend their pay on pot rather than saving it.

Alternatively you have the worst-of-the-worst upper-class California commies who make 300k at do-nothing techie jobs, "Schrodinger's elites". Who simultaneously larp as poor oppressed workers one second, then as rich, arrogant assholes looking down on the filthy peasantry the next.
This leads to the completely absurd situation where they talk about "eating the rich" and murdering "bourgeois" managers at Mcdonalds who make 1/3rd as much as them.
None of it makes logical sense and people who work real jobs see through it but communists never care about logic because they are inherently hypocrites who deep-down are greedy lazy people that just want to take from everyone else while giving nothing. They always have the assumption that it is someone else who is going to be the loser having their shit stolen or slaving away for no pay.

>>717370578
>useful
>manned
>proper
Holy cope

>you came into a thread on /v/ about communism and then tried to have a serious conversation advocating for or against it
You are a fucking idiot.

>>717362490
I really don't like seeing a video labeled "14 years ago" talking about iPhone apps.

>>717368594
>Because while the west liberalized and industrialized normally, they clung to feudalism and privileges for the old nobility
And now the West is doing this with modern feudalism and its cowing to corporate nobility. Rejecting the liberal prosperity that got them here.

>>717370573
> just as long he doesnt have to work and he gets paid for it
what's with this meme
marxists are the ones who are praising "working" the most, in fact many commie countries straight up criminalized being a NEET,
marxists are advocating for better worker rights, not non-working

>>717370437
That's literally the point of the combat, though. You're not supposed to just stand there and tank hits back and forth until the enemy is dead, that's why the game constantly throws you into narrow hallways and spawns multiple enemies from different directions to keep you on your toes.

>>717370863
Haha. I posted that so that you, specifically, could see it. I felt it too.
Like, that’s not even a video from “old” YouTube, either…

>>717362302
I just read Lenin's Essential Works. They aren't pulling this "lecturing on theory" out of nowhere. He literally says that the masses have to be constantly informed (i.e., propagandized) and the retard commie ALWAYS assumes that they're the agitator informing said masses.
They never seem to appreciate the possibility that they'll be part of said masses.

>>717367859
>not having rich people live rent free in your head at all times means simping for them
?

>>717371090
>They never seem to appreciate the possibility that they'll be part of said masses.
Who, me? Why, I’m practically Prometheus.

>>717370802
>useful
The US put into orbit the first weather satellite, first television broadcast satellite, first photographic satellite, first navigation satellite, and the first satellite in geostationary orbit. The soviets put into orbit a hunk of metal that beeped over the radio.
>manned
first and only man on the moon. suck it communist faggots, cope with crashing probes into stuff
>proper
once again, cope with crashing metal into stuff while the US manages to land probes that actually survive

I genuinely feel bad for Laika, imagine dying for communists lmao couldn't be me

>>717370746
>dog walker
you just had to bring that up, didn't you?

So would games be in forever dev hell since there is no profit motive or deadlines required anymore?

>>717370584
give them free food/water/housing/primary care

>>717371306
nothing would change

>>717371306

In my socialism, luxury goods are market oriented, and the rest is common goods

>>717371165
"It's only natural that I'd be agitating, I'm reading a book telling me how to do it! It's literally addressed to me."

>>717371306
no way man, when we get in power we'll just spend all our money funding creative projects.

>>717371306
>deadlines required
Five year plan
"Those who do not work shall not eat" Lenin

>>717360179 (OP)
They'd probably end up being smaller passion projects. People would in general be working a lot less, and so would have time to contribute to them. Larger games would likely emerge from this sort of mentality, and could emerge since there'd be no reason to close source things. They'd shift closer to an art form; for passion instead of for profit.
We'd probably see a shift away from games that require a large amount of compute resources towards more of a distributed server model. Things that require centralized servers would require some sort of interaction with economic planning.
>utopia
Marx et al categorically rejected the idea of a utopia.

>>717371410

primary care is in the care of getting my dick stroked by a hot bimbo???

>>717371306
yes, it would look similarly to patreon funded WEGs, only there wouldn't even be the possibility of patrons getting tired of your shit and dropping support

>>717363729
Communist countries usually celebrate labour. The point of communism is to make labour worthwhile because the capitalists stop stealing from you. With that out of the way, you can labour and grow as a person, with actual useful skills and a community of peers who value you.

The aesthetic of communism that the liberals adopt is of course informed by their own preferences - a shitty isekai utopia where their worthless skills are actually useful. That is to say, the world they currently live in (where the labour of those in the third world effectively bankrolls the liberal's dream of playing the pan flute at a vegan coffee shop). It has been obvious to everyone forever that those liberals are the exact bourgeoisie that that same third world will eventually inevitably revolt against, but the capitalists have spent the last hundred years coping that there is some magical solution that will save capitalism, and a small part of that involves pretending that communism will turn everywhere into San Fransisco.

>>717367140
>just live off the grid dude nature is free fuck capitalism xdd
>what do you mean I am under arrest for sleeping on the park bench in this hellish concrete hellhole!?
You couldn't even stick to your naturalist survivor LARP on the internet. I bet you make fun of rural redneck hicks too.

>>717371814
>claims to be living off nature
>goes to the park

>>717360179 (OP)
>Gay soviet union
Utilizing capitalist technology they'd make Tetris as they still have a market to sell to, especially capitalist markets which brings them more ability to negotiate and buy goods and services from market economies.
>"True post capitalist utopia that karl marx envisioned"
All the games that'd be made under it are already made.
All 0 of them.

You'd have to have a society that doesn't get pissed at someone "Chasing their dream game and making art" instead of working, as no one would accept that as them "Contributing according to their ability" and wouldn't afford them the luxuries to design a game, people aren't going to toil with cobalt and microchip manufacturing just for a group of jackoffs who are "Idea guys" to fuck around for 17 years making their "Dream game" to make something. You'd have to redevelop capitalism and explicitly abandon "Communism" by reintroducing commodities in order to actually have people with the luxury goods that allows one to develop games, and be able to fund it (Because "The public" aren't going to approve of "Video game collective #53253 that is "Totally making a dream game for real this time" not participating in the greater society for a year to multiple years and you'll be branded as leeches)

If we're talking post scarcity, IE, literal magic with replicators, it'd just be AI level slop every year at AI rates because everyone has "an idea" and thinks what they make is hot and deserves attention, and people would automate the process as much as they could and extremely few would feel a need to actually work together if everyone has unlimited resources and the tools to automate so much of the process. People would probably become obsessed with "Making something for themselves" to a point that it'd be much like the current AI problems. The few people who actually do work together would probably make indie games like they already do

>>717371786
>The point of communism is to make labour worthwhile because the capitalists stop stealing from you.


Lmao the state is 1000x worse than the capitalists

you can tell communism is bad by the subhuman retard fanbase it has in modern times

>>717360891
it can work on a small level with like 100-200 people at most, but then you need some bigger goals to motivate them since its not a real life where natural needs and motivators exist

>>717360768
Marx renounced Judaism and spent most of his life as a NEET in London

>>717365650
China operates almost exactly how the German National Socialists operated.

Videogames are a bourgeois vice. All gamers would unironically be rounded up and either sent to a work camp or executed.
Real capitalism has never been tried.

>>717360179 (OP)
Every game would be Life is Strange

>>717371786
You sound like you are still in the 19th, the fort-T killed Marxism.
Modern Capitalism allows people to live off drawing loli porn online, it's not going anywhere.

>>717371935
Have some pity. Parks are the only place where an uncomfortable percentage of people in the world will see "nature", with all their pristinely trimmed trees and carefully cultivated flowerbeds. Its about as natural as urban commies will get.

>>717361753
>>717361616
How would a captalist world work if every job is replace with IA and robots, how will people get money to buy things?

>>717361328
Consumerism would still exist there just wouldn't be a money exchange of value as technological advancements and abandonment of the profit motive and a unified post-nation state world would ensure post-scarcity. It sounds insane but you need to consider the time Marx & Engels lived in, Europe and America were basically unrecognizable compared to how they were even a generation ago. Really hard to understate how much industrialization altered humanity

>>717360768
What the fuck is an uber rabbi?

>>717372296
moe gommunism is the cringiest aesthetic ever

>>717372407
didnt mao round up all the urban elite and landlords and forced them into the rural countryside to work the farms during the cultural revolution

>>717372407
>Parks are the only place where an uncomfortable percentage of people in the world will see "nature"
go be 12 somewhere else.

>>717360179 (OP)
>No private property
>Can't own equipment
>Can't collect items
>No vendors or trading
sounds miserable

>>717367859
Because fundamentally all western countries are bourgeois. Even if you're in the lower middle class, you benefit from the current system. It's only the poor who really don't benefit.

The revolution isn't going to start in a white suburb, it starts in some exploited third world nation. Even movements like BLM ultimately can't change much because the exploited population of America exists for a different reason to the exploited population of other countries. A mass prison riot could probably accomplish it, though.

Communism doesn't exist on the internet or really in the west, so of course we won't have real discussions about it. It exists in a place where the locals have never even heard of electricity, but have to work themselves to death at the age of 20 so that the westerners can buy cheap coffee.

>>717372176
leeching of his wealthy butt-buDDy Engels

>>717368418
You're not (((the rich))) is the thing. You might be wealthy but you're not what people mean. No, Californians that think you're the problem aren't people.

>>717372597
Go frolick in a forest, it'll do good for you.
>>717372545
Is that when he saw the birds eating the bugs off the crop? Shit, dude.

>>717372497
Hypothetically, that would describe a post-scarcity utopia where money as we know it becomes obsolete. Not sure how any economic theory would be of help but I guess it all depends on who runs the machines.

>>717372808
the fruits of communism kek

>>717360179 (OP)
Video games would be outlawed as antisocial degeneracy.

>>717372750
Very true anti-imperalism is the only true struggle any western communists can assist in but most are woke synthetic liberals who support woke idpol nonsense so they can support imperalism whilst still calling themselves communists
Very feel of them have soldariy with the DPRK, Russia or any of country that's resisting imperalism.

>>717367140
oh, you are just a kid, bless your heart, don't worry, the world is not as scary as people online want you to believe, you can work and live pretty easily

>>717368941
I think most people still don't realize that there are entire towns in the Philippenes which exist - that is to say, the people in these towns, who have never left, were only born - because a fat retired white guy might want to buy a human being. Your dad goes on a vacation to the Philippenes to "go to the beach" and entire fucking societies spring into existence to provide him with 10 year old girls to have sex with. The force of western money is so heavy it can create civilizations whose entire economic basis for existing is "pedophilia and slavery are illegal where this guy lives".

>>717368597
Communist Parties were full of academics & nerds, Mao was a librarian/scholar and Stalin was initially studying to be a priest in the Orthodox Church. Everyone was tougher back then because they lived in feudal poverty and constant war, you robbed banks and killed people for the party because you genuinely thought it was the best way forward

>>717373268
>Russia
>resisting imperalism.
and the mask falls off, why am I not surprised?

>>717360179 (OP)
Like Undertale and Deltarune, but even more pozzed

>>717367140
That was the property of someone under feudalism, under slavery, and under basic tribal living standards. Modernity just makes it easier for capital to enforce its property rights

>>717369934
The class disparity was worse before the USSR. You've heard of the Russian Empire, right?

>>717365320
>You think no one has read the manifesto?
Anon... We're on /v/. When's the last time you think anyone here read anything?

>>717373401
They are resisting imperalism NATO is are biggest warmonger on the planet and they are arming a Nazi regime on Russia's doorstep. Russia is fighting an anti-imperalist struggle and every anti-imperalist nation stands with them

>>717373512
>went from one form of serfdom to another
Russian history is comedy of Ls

>>717373268
anti-imperialist/anti-colonist is just another codeword for anti-white

>>717372246
They absolutely do not, Nazi economic policy has more in common with modern America than it does CCP. Deficit spending and corporate handouts galore

Anyone know that chinese dude that talks geopolitics on youtube?

he said marx was wrong because

people care about god not heaven (utopia)
status not class
and religion not economics

>>717373512
>failed at monarchism
>failed at socialism
>failed at liberalism
>failing at autocracy
hmm... I'm nooticing a pattern, I can't quite put my finger on it though

>>717373268
>>717373639
Every government in this world is imperialist and always will be. Take the realism pill

>>717373690
LMAO retard
The anti-imperalist nations are not anti-white in fact they're fighting against the same globalhomo order that you hate except they can actual do something against it.
If you hate great reset and Globolhomo the anti-imperalist bloc is your friend

>>717360179 (OP)
Actual communism would just ban them. Vidyas are extremely anti-social in nature and the workers on their off time shouldn't be wasting their time off on hobbies that aren't done in real life with other people. This includes multiplayer games too btw.

>>717365787

AYO DEM COMYINISTS WUZ GUD BOYZ DEY DINDU NUFFIN JUS TRYNA GET DEY RUHJEEM IN ORDA DEY WUZ GOINA REE EJUKAYSHAN CAMPS NEED MO MONEY FO DEM POGROMS

>>717373756
>failed at getting laid

>>717370578
LMAO, first man in space is also USSR and the only fucking one that mattered. Plus 2 dogs actually survived.

>>717373675
Russia has more culture in it's little finger than America has had in it's entire existance

>>717373787

what kind of pill is the commie pill actually?

>>717373787
>DPRK
>imperialist
LMAO

>>717373401
It was really disappointing still. I'm no commie but the discussion was going somewhere and than the vatnik revealed itself.

>>717374076
ok Serbian

>>717360179 (OP)
Why is /pol/shit tolerated here?

>>717374108
>what kind of pill is the commie pill actually?
It's just a capsule filled with animal cum.

>>717374076
NTA, I agree, but they also abandoned that culture during the Russian revolution and until now. When you people are that drunk all the time, your cultural capital fades, even if Dosto is the greatest writer ever

>>717360179 (OP)
>Communist World Order
Oh, a game set in present time yurop? LMAO

>>717374108
appetite suppressant

>>717373268
>Urhm actually it isn't imperialism because some dead jew from 1800s said it isn't

>>717374108
Purple pill. Fusion of opposing colors, a classic Hegelian dialectic

the soviet block had poorer countries getting exploited and conquered by poorer countries.

>>717374076
what I'm getting from this is that the revolution was a mistake

>>717373756
Yanks fail at culture compared to Russia

>>717374108
HRT

>>717367135
liberal democracy predates communism by nearly a century and the bleeding of the middle class started when your boy Trotsky (and his neocon ghouls) made landfall in the americas.

>>717374178
The DPRK like any state wants to maximize its chances of survival. They've done the best thing they could with their limited resources and got nukes, but if they were able to control all of Asia they would've. Same goes for China, South Korea, Japan and so on. Every counry wants to enforce its will on the rest of the world for its benefit, but most are simply not capable to do so.

>thread glorifying communism reaches bump limit
would moderatorstein tolerate the same with a fasces logo?

>>717374076
>>717374627
You shouldn't have murdered your aristocracy, you are cursed country now.

>>717374294
Modern Europe is a confederation of various capitalistic nation-states whose economies are so intertwined by a handful of private banks that theyre're unable to go to war against each other or break apart without serious consequences. It is one of the greatest triumphs of liberalism in history

>>717374076
Ehh, I'm not even burger but there's a difference between pop-culture and 150 year old writers nobody reads out of lit class or classical music.

>>717374076
>insecurity levels through the roof
hit a nerve
>>717373756
don't be russophobic you chud! russians are literally like black people, they're so oppressed

>>717374786
Russian aristocracy was just people trying to buddy up with the West, its ironic because Putin is about as pro-West as a post USSR Russian leader is ever going to be. He really wanted to be in the club

>>717374770
>wolves
independent
who made this tetarded ass image

I like how socialists never ask themselves why neoliberals (who rule most of the globe) share the exact same views on immigration as them.

>>717360179 (OP)
Kill yourself, commie

>>717374786
>now
ever since the commies took over it's been cursed

>>717374970
The problem is their crippling insecurity, they need to be told how cool and strong they are all the time or they chimp out.

Nigger thread.
Everyone in here except me and the other baiters and trolls actively trying to disrupt the thread are niggers.

>>717374661
Communism is against transgenderism you retard.
Troonism is a product of capitalist decency and profit hunger pharmaceutical companies.
There's not Troons in the DPRK

>>717375027
neoliberals want to exploit and and use third world brown immigrants like this, and leftists want to exploit and use third world brown immigrants like this

>>717375170
this but unironically

>>717374623
Stalin raised millions out of poverty and beat Hitler hardly a failure

>>717375132
true socialism can only be achieved once there are no niggers

>>717375265
zhukov beat hitler. Stalin tried to beat zhukov but failed

>>717374763
Not true the DPRK has been helping anti-imperalist movements across the world and the very basis of Juche is independence. They reject empire and dominance over othe nations.

>>717375027
>>717375170
Foreigners call this a “trvthnvke,” meaning “truth nuclear bomb”

>>717373401
He is right, desu, NATO isn't even just an economic thing like shit like BRICS is, it is outright military imperialism. There is nothing wrong with military imperialism itself, but denying NATO isn't imperialism is plain retarded.

>>717375027
>share the exact same views on immigration as them.
They don't is the DPRK letting migrants in?
Is Vietnam?
Or Cuba?
Or Laos?
Or China?
Try migrating to any of those countries and see how easy it will be

>>717364691
Cope, commie, your shit has failed for years, that's why you always lose the culture war.

>>717375152
Commies are not socially conservative by mater of ideology, they want to overthrow the existing social order and create new soviet man or cultural revolution and communist intellectuals were always degenerates who wanted to destroy concepts like sex, family and age of consent.
It's that successful revolutionaries weren't that retarded and commie states were fairly isolationist defending against "foreign imperialist influences" so their social mores got frozen in time.

>>717375639
America has been continuously shifting leftwards culturally since the 60s, a couple Sydney Sweeney and Shane Gillis slop ads doesnt change that fact

>>717375529
Yeah, and the US was founded on principles of liberty and freedom. They were so commited to it that they established the Monroe Doctrine, so every country in North and South America would be free from the European empires. Yup.
And as they were commited to these principles then, they still are. Keeping the nations of the world free from such evil imperialist states as the USSR and Iraq

>>717375625
Poland literally forced its way into NATO with lobbying and politicking lmao, NATO has never expanded through violence or the threat of it.
Meanwhile Russia is an empire ruled from Moscow that ferries mongoloid poorfucks from the other side of the planet to fight for it on a war of conquest that isn't really needed in any practical sense.
You have zero moral fiber or character to make a claim like that just because you think it's convenient.

>>717375864
>communist intellectuals were always degenerates who wanted to destroy concepts like sex, family and age of consent.
You're of Eurocommunists and the like who every serious communist thinker and revolutionary rejected out right along with their degenerate behaviour.

Leftism is anti-white
Anti-Imperialism is anti-white
Decolonization is anti-white
hope this helps

>>717375632
those countries are the ones immigrating to first world, functional countries. except the DPRK but you only mentioned that country as a shitpost so I'm not going to dignify it with a response.
Neoliberals want the same thing that vietnamese communists want: viet scabs to move to western countries, replace local workers and make money for the capital owners while extracting as much wealth as possible and sending it back to NAM.
this is the case with ALL third world immigration.
it's also what's making the far right so active

>>717376148
noooooooooooooo China and Iran have your best interest at heart, you should support them!

>>717376051
NATO's existence is a literal threat of violence. It's an anti-Russian military bloc that gradually crept up to their borders, even humoring letting Ukraine in was so fucking stupid

>>717376228
socialists want to pretend that the CCCP are enemies of the Neoliberal global order, but the CCCP sends their kids to america to get educated at Neolib institutions at the behest of the richest Neoliberals in the world. Larry Fink openly wants to transition the west into a chinese style state.

>>717376350
>serb babble
they should have given the Ukes Nukes. at least then the russian monkey's would have behaved for the first time in human history

>>717376051
Russia saved Syria from imperalism for several years, Russia saved Venezulea, Russia helped the DPRK against western sanctions and Russia helped Iran.
NATO helped destroy Lybia and murder Gaddafi, NATO backs a Nazi regime in Kiev that is murdering the Russian speaking population and NATO helped fund ISIS in Syria.
Those countries only pentitioned to joined because they have NATO and Globohomo puppet govermeants installed already thanks to the imperialist colour 'revoultions'

>>717376462
I'm not a seething Serb, I just know that letting Russia's nextdoor neighbor into the "Fuck Russia" alliance is practically begging for a retaliation

>>717376350
Maybe there's a reason everyone who borders russia was begging in to be let into the anti-russian alliance as soon as they could.
Try making friends instead of invading them next time vlad.

>>717376196
>except the DPRK but you only mentioned that country as a shitpos
No I'm pro-DPRK anyone who is seriously ant-imperalist is
Plus emigration doesn't come from any of those nations it comes from the ones the west destroyed like Iraq, Lybia, Syria and so on your warmongering created the migrant crisis and your elites import the population of the nations they destroyed to create a slave labour underclass to replace the unioinised working class

>>717367140
when was capitalism invented

>>717376028
>Keeping the nations of the world free from such evil imperialist states as the USSR and Iraq
None of them are impearlist NATO and the American empire are the imperalists

>>717376664
NATO was courting russia and Yeltsin was interested in joining until Serbians started Serbing all over the place and Russia saw a way they could keep relevant globally without signing away to NATO. Serbs (you) are the only people who think this means anything

>>717366818
Then I owe nothing to the world.

>>717376664
it's not a fuck Russia alliance, if it was, it would be doing things like jamming communications and navigation inside Russia territory (like how Russia does from Konisberg/Kaliningrad against neighboring European countries).
It's a please don't fuck me alliance.

>>717376148
>Leftism is anti-white
Wrong
>Anti-Imperialism is anti-white
Wrong
>Decolonization is anti-white
Currently it is but historically it is not now it is just a way to distract from current imperalism
Also how is dying for south 'koreans', hohols and Israel pro-white?

>>717376720
You're right, America shouldn't have gone to war over the Zimmerman Telegram or have taken the Cuban Missile Crisis seriously. You obviously know how to run a country

>>717376797
they all are