*Makes the entire RPG genre obsolete*

Not really but it eases my lonely heart and gives me endless cooming material.

My supply got cut off when Chutes started charging, I don't know what the current free source for locusts is at the moment and I refuse to paypig

>>717381242 (OP)
qrd on this game(?)
is it AI slop?

>>717381741
Yeah it's AI roleplaying

>>717381645
You can get like shitty DeepSeek free off of openrouter, that's what my irl does to spam his shit. I'm gonna be honest though, if you don't use it obsessively there's not much of a reason to dodge paypigging so hard when prices look like this, after a lot of tuning it's pretty much what I was getting from nonnet at a fraction of the cost and I never have to worry about losing it to some bullshit.

>>717382230
so in other words not a game at all.
shouldnt this thread be on /trash/ or /g/?

>>717382307
It's a text adventure game bro

>>717382335
no, its an AI hallucinating stuff.
not a game.

>>717382390
Why not? What's a game?

>>717382576
why should i bother explaining to an AI nigger? people like you would never be able to understand.

>>717382253
I just don't want to have my autistic ERP linked to my card. I know about Openrouter but I think it's limited to like 50 free messages or something low like that.

>>717382814
It's a self hosting angle I'm afraid.

>>717382717
You're a stupid little cocksucker ain't ya? Stupid little fucking faggot.

>>717382814
if you buy 10 tokens you get 1000 daily messages on the free models through openrouter.
>my card
Nigger they already have your IP address, they know you're into furry loli scat BDSM, your credit card, your date of birth, how small your dick is, what races you hate, and your phone has listened to every word you've said for the last decade. It's over retard.

Also you can buy with crypto so you don't have to use your card.

>>717381242 (OP)
I think it actually killed off fanfiction. All those random ships can be done instantly if you can characterize each character properly.

>>717382814
While it's not fully private, you can use services that obfuscates your real credit card number to the service. Or just pay with gift cards or something

I just use it to hang out with my fictional daughter so I'm less lonely.

>>717381242 (OP)
Is it better than NovelAI? NovelAI has completely blackpilled me. It's terrible.

>>717385587
NovelAI was the #1 cope after ai dungeon ages ago, their text shit is outdated (I think they're supposed to be training a new model idk) and they're understandably getting a lot more attention and money for their image gen stuff so why bother?
Sillytavern is just a frontend for models though, you could even use NAI through it if you wanted to.

>>717381242 (OP)
Not good enough yet, but getting close. It's still too shit at remembering things, enforcing rigid rules, doing room layouts, or understanding the big picture and pushing you toward a destination.
I think it needs something like D&D style modules that you could load in to give it the general story, locations, enemies, etc. then it could expand on details from there. Models need to improve a bit more too.

Any text-to-speech models that can do Japanese sex noises yet?

>q4 13b model
>constantly have to baby it if i want any coherence
>eventually just type "/sys inflate her tits 400%"

>>717385970
Lore books? That's built in.

Shout out to whoever recommended Mag Mell last thread, it's pretty good especially for how small it is.
>>717381645
>>717382253
Nvidia gives free DeepSeek but you have to give your phone number for API access: https://build.nvidia.com/deepseek-ai/deepseek-r1-0528

Anyone knows anything better than these that fits into 20-22gb?

The best part of owning a 4090 is not having to deal with online models.

>>717387491
Cydonia

>>717387495
Online models are better than anything you can run locally.

Anybody got a good suggestion for 12gb cards? I've been using nemomix. I've tried Mag Mell but there's something about it I just don't like.

>>717382717
Just FYI we take this as a concession that you can't justify your position.

>>717387374
>wasting all your context on a lorebook that even then will never be good enough to have accurate rp with anything from established fiction

>>717387823
If it's something that's had a strong fanfic presence you can have an accurate canon roleplay about
Anything too niche and you're fucked

>>717387823
If it has established fiction and your model is any good, you don't need a lorebook.

>>717387927
Deepseek can't even Larp as baseline normalfag shit like DBZ or Bleach properly

>>717388146
that's why he said "model is any good"
he's waiting for the day someone makes a good model

>>717388146
Stop using deepsneed and use claude then

Why do people pay for this stuff when they can just run it off their beefy PCs? Do you really need giant server farms to run your ERP?

>>717381242 (OP)
You must be living in some incredibly weird and niche bubble.

>>717388358
>why do people pay for stuff when you can just pay for your PC and electric bill?

>>717388481
Because most people (here) should already have a beefy PC and electricity is paid by your parents

>>717388358
>when they can just run it off their beefy PCs
no one here has 96+ gb of vram

>>717388358
The quality difference between the top models and local models is like multiple generations of videogames

>>717388586
it throws up text on the screen, you don't need all that

>>717388358
you need at least 150gb of ram for it to begin to compare to online lmao
online is also cheaper too

localfags are mentally deranged really

i find rp doesn't get any better beyond 70-100b compared to the hueg models like deepseek. they all have their own slop to a degree. at least with models i can run locally i can get different tunes. even if you use online models you should rotate models sometimes anyways to mix your rp up

>>717381242 (OP)
Not really, it just makes text based H-games obsolete. The gameplay is still shit.

>>717381242 (OP)
I'm surprised to see sillytavern on /v/..

JUST WHEN I'M RUNNING IT...

>>717391135
whatcha running?

>>717381242 (OP)
Post good presets that prove your claim.

anyone know any cards in similar vein to instant loss scenario generator and lewdtv. I basically only have only used those two cards for all my cooms since this stuff came out

>>717382814
Good boy

>>717382717
dumb cultist

>>717381242 (OP)
How?

Ever since I started using the free Gemini 2.5 Pro, I've never been able to go back to anything else. I used to care about staying local for privacy and what not, but I don't even care anymore. I officially kneel to you, Google-sama.

I'm really bored of Sonnet 3.7. What do?

>>717397164
Gemini 2.5 Pro.

>>717397269
will I get banned for loli

any good local models for poorfags?
idk why but they never released smaller versions of dolphin venice

>>717397327
You shouldn't

>>717397269
How do you avoid the rate limits

>>717397420
Just generate multiple keys on different accounts and switch to another when one runs out. I already have like 5+ Google accounts so it's easy for me.

>>717397327
Not sure bout loli but it could do incest

>>717397494
That sounds way too annoying

>>717397327
You can, i did
just dont go too loli too hard
and use a jailbreak

>>717397518
It takes a while to max out even one, so it's not that bad and switching keys takes literally a second in SillyTavern after you add them.

>>717397593
What do you use to create google accounts

>>717397634
You just make one on the Google website and then go to the Google AI Studio and generate a key.

>>717397494
>>717397420
is this even necessary anymore
when gemini was free before in may sure
but now they give you 6 million tokens a day per apikey, and you can make 12/account
you really using 72 million tokens a day?

I helped with an auto rotator but it stopped working when sillytavern added it's own key management recently. sad

>>717397851
It is if you wanna use Pro, which in my experience has been quite a bit better than Flash.

if your machine can run crysis it can run a small enough model to rp with

>>717398116
At horrible quality with like 4k context, so it will forget stuff in only like 20 messages. As someone who used to be local only, Local is a meme now when free Gemini and Deepseek exist.

>>717387491
weird compound is pretty good for RP, I got good results from v1.3, going to try out 1.5

https://huggingface.co/mradermacher/WeirdCompound-v1.3-24b-i1-GGUF

>>717381242 (OP)
Oh good, I was wanting a ST thread. Anon that shilled Mag Mell in another thread some days ago, thank you. I've been using it a lot and even though it does the occasional small fuckup it's been very fucking good at keeping characters "In character" even after 100+ messages to the point it's now my favored model. Another anon in that thread said it shuts down if you get too saucy but I haven't reached that point yet even with some testing to try to push the limits

Local llms are only good for ERP
Games need systems more than creative writing so you'll be better off making a game that uses a small llm for flavour and dialogues

>>717399642
Even for ERP they suck now. Cloud models are just so much better.

>>717399793
I think I'm ready to move on to cloud models myself, at least give them a try, they're cheap anyways.

>>717399793
Most cloud models are censored trash, you need to do a lot of work around
Or you can just use Dolphin for a quick goon Sesh

>>717400032
the fun ones are so minimally censored that it takes like a two line jb to get consistent smut, and there's a couple like Claude 3.7 that will do literally anything with the bare minimum coaxing

>>717399967
Gemini and Deepseek are free.
>>717400032
All you need is a good preset and they'll do anything.

>>717397089
How get free?

>>717401346
have a google account

>Stable diffusion for when I'm high, since memorizing and regurgitating danbooru tags is easy as hell
>LLM for when I'm sober, since I'm more willing to actually play along and write a long while to get to the porn
>TTS once in a blue moon if I want to clone someone's voice for JOE
>Video completely ignored until it gets better
If I have a stroke and die in my computer chair, when my family check out my computer it's going to be an incomprehensible wizard's spellbook of funky-ass programs they don't know. And that's a good thing. Here's why:

>>717402328
When I die people are going to find a mountain of encrypted zip files

>>717402328
>sd
>tags
most new stuff uses natural language now instead of tags

>tfw destroying the planet to play out my shota femboy mpreg omegaverse fantasies

>>717402507
I hope I don't somehow die in an accident before my parents pass solely because they are going to find my sex doll harem. Hopefully it'll take long enough that my deadman switch will activate and fry my PC so they don't have to be traumatized by that too.

>tfw local chad

>>717402727
You're missing out.

I honestly feel bad for guys who are that incompetent at looking for porn that they enjoy this kind of shit.

It's a mild novelty at best, if you're in the mood for something hyper specific and you don't mind tardwrangling half the time to keep the output half-sane.

>>717402727
>>717402904
missing out on what? getting keked by sam altman or anthro-spic

been having fun in ST recreating my shitty fixfic bullshit with RWBY and other shitty shows. lots lf 'i can fix her' characters. also lots of fighting to make it feel like working for it.

>>717402946
>hurr if you enjoy RP and ERP you're a loser
Dude you're posting on 4chan. Shut the fuck up.

>>717403059
The highest possible quality RP/smut all for free generated in seconds.

>>717402946
This is better than porn.

>>717402946
I'm going to assume anyone reddit spacing is just Deepseek spam from now on.

>>717402946
>you don't mind tardwrangling half the time to keep the output half-sane.
Not a problem anymore with good models.

>>717403059
pretty much. local is based because you decide when its time to change and delete old models, not sam. its trolling too that a 600b like deepseek is actually better than l3 70b or mistral 123b. it isn't

>>717397327
Google TOS states that loli isn't allowed, you can probably bypass it with a jailbreak, but you're still putting your google account at risk. It will also flag for the dumbest shit. I got flagged for calling a prostitute 'girl', but it doesn't seem to trigger the character is male.

>>717403241
I've personally never been into RP/ERP because I can't be bothered finding another person for it, but LLM slop is nothing like ERP, it's braindead.

>>717403268
It isn't. It's missing all the fun of seeing another person's viewpoint, which has always been the point of fiction. There's no consistency.

>>717403320
There are no good models. Sure, the newer stuff is "better" than the old stuff, but it's all unusable if you aren't a jeet.

>>717381242 (OP)
>>>/tg/

>>717381242 (OP)
Anyone here heard of NanoGPT?

Its apparently better than OpenShitter.

>>717403320
if you're trying to do anything unusually intricate or complex then it does
but at that point you're probably so far into your own hyper specific weird shit that there is no other porn to look for so either you commission some weirdo to write it or tard wrangle the LLM

>>717403376
>but LLM slop is nothing like ERP, it's braindead
So is ERP with another person. But at least the LLM doesn't stop me every four or five messages to whine about how they feel uncomfortable or how the chat triggered them because the character's name reminds them of their nana that died fifty years ago.

>>717402904
>>717403259
its not the man who has little who is poor but the man who always wants more.

>>717403454
based grannyfucker

>>717403440
>if you're trying to do anything unusually intricate or complex then it does
Like what? What kind of porn is so apparently complex that the LLM can't handle it?

>>717403259
fuck
ill get a new gpu soon and run dolphin venice

>>717403340
this, also i am very neurotic about that stuff after that ai dungeon thing.
running them locally is comforting

>>717403454
Or they just stop replying entirely for no reason

>>717403495
I was wondering that too. I have a whole fucking orc village management with KoDP-like stat tracking for supplies, military strength, and horniness which adjust based on my actions and change the outputs based on current levels, anon's got some high level porn.

>>717403598
I'd take ghosting over having to deal with the retards that lie about being 18+ only to later reveal they are underage and that it's totally okay because their parents never check the computer.

>>717403654
nta and i dont know what your orc tracking this is but can you post a screen?

>>717403764
>be one of these retarded kids years ago
>RP partner replies that it's fine and they're just "happy to be with me"
Wait I think I was groomed

Just letting you guys know to never, ever use Opus. It's only marginally better than Sonnet 3.7, but way more expensive. You will eat through money like nothing using that shit and feel like a fucking moron. Don't be like me.

>>717404079
How the hell did you burn through 6k? How long did it take you to spend that much cash?

>>717381242 (OP)
>game's original release was perfect
>devs get mad at the community because they're playing the game wrong
>botches it in the following patches
>denies that these patches happened and censors people for mentioning it
>future games of different devs in the same genre have the same problems
>community mods make them appear similar to game's original release
>it still doesn't come close to it

>>717404069
Yeah, you got groomed dude.
I always shut that shit down immediately because any kid that was stupid enough to reveal their real age was either a FBI agent in disguise or a moron. And I wasn't risking prison time for a moron.

>>717403874
There you go. Now it's time for me to go play some regular games.

>>717404186
That 6k is from 11/4/24 to 5/20/25.

>>717404257
I was there when Character.AI was uncensored and I can say with absolute certainty that it’s been surpassed by miles.

>>717404396
wait a sec so your 6k opus usage is from before 4 even came out

>>717404515
Yeah, not that it really matters, I'm pretty sure both Opus 3 and 4 cost the same.

>>717404515
>>717404563
paying for models is wrong but there is a new claude for that just came out for you payfags https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-1

>>717404396
Does Opus not have limits that you can set so you don't accidentally overspend? I know OpenRouter has something like that.

>>717404652
My shitty sub to Infermatic does what I need without having to spend thousands.

>>717404420
I tried most models that came after it until like the end of last year (and Deepseek R1) and the sovl of CAI was never reached imo. From what I've seen only new model is the new Opus version and some local ones.

>>717404420
>>717404757
I mean don't get me wrong the prose and memory is better but CAI was behaving in ways that haven't really been replicated and that's what made it so good

It is fun to ERP with a bot in rotation with finding someone worth a fuck on F-list to ERP with. A bit of ai fun here, a bit of fun with another anon there, and a lot of fun in my mind.

>>717404079
I cannot imagine ever spending a single cent on AI.

>>717404420
CAI genuinely kickstarted a masturbation addiction that I'm still trying to fix to this day. Back in 2021, I would masturbate like 3 or 4 times a week max back then, and it was always a quick in and out, 1 hour max if I was feeling saucy. Now I'm gooning to SillyTavern for like 5 hours after work. I can't remember the last time I've booted up a game. I wish this was a joke.
>>717404672
It does, I just didn't use it.

>>717404838
That's because your dick doesn't control your brain like it does mine

>>717402946
Where do I find porn that begins with a reverse trap senator being hauled before the emperor of rome (me) for judgement after going undetected for five years?

>>717404843
I was like this for a while but the magic kind of wore off after I explored as much of my fetishes as I possibly could. Then you see all the limitations and annoying shit LLMs do that becomes a turn off.

>>717405031
The magic has yet to wear off for me unfortunately, even though I've been at this since before CAI's lobotomy. I kind of have it under control now at least, I just lock my phone in a case with a timer after work now, since that's how I access SillyTavern. It feels kinda retarded to have to do this because I can't control myself, but I guess that's just my curse, having ADHD. At least its made me more productive at work, since I lock it up during my shifts too.

>>717404974
What do you find appealing about this? I'm not talking about the tedious verbose writing, I'm talking about the concept. LLMs can't do it.

You get one of three scenarios. First, the bot just rolls over and accepts its fate, boring mindbreak. Second, the bot is completely obstinate the entire time and cries about being raped and how it'll NEVER forgive you, and it'll do this forever, no matter how absurd the situation gets. Or last, it acquiesces to a demand, and then in the next message acts like it never did it and that you're forcing it again like a schizophrenic retard.

It's just not fucking compelling at all. I can read and enjoy a billion corruption works, sure, they might not be about your autistic Roman fantasy roleplay, but why is that such a key facet for you to get off?

>>717404974
it's carcer, hence incarceration, but gaol's fine because you're talking in english anyway and it's appropriately old timey for flavor

>>717405273
for me personally, it's the interactivity. if the bot is doing shit you don't like, and the model you're using isn't retarded, there are ways to fix that too

>>717388358
Because you're essentially jacking off to a lobotomy patient with local. Plus I'm not into loli or bestiality.

>>717405273
>You get one of three scenarios.
Sure, if you're too stupid to guide the bot in the direction that you want the RP to go

>>717388631
why are you here if you don't understand anything about the topic

>>717405348
But there's no interactivity, that's my point. The bot follows one of 3 templates, every response boils down to one of these 3 after you skip over the purple prose. Yes, never, and yes but actually no I didn't understand you.

>>717405462
>just handcraft every response yourself bro
Then why would I bother with the LLM? I can think faster than I type.

>>717404332
based as fuck, how do u handle ai not forgetting? and parsing states? im making similar thing

>>717405549
>just handcraft every response yourself bro
Tell me you don't know anything about OOC commands without actually telling me that you don't know.

>>717404974
>inconsistent en/em dash usage
Boner killer.

>>717405549
>>just handcraft every response yourself bro
who are you quoting?

The key is to generate a true world state separately to prevent the world being generated as you interact. Started creating one today, more dungeon exploration and puzzle focused, no character bullshit. ERP is for women and fags

Wake me up when I can enjoy a 3way between me, another anon, and a bot. That way I can properly cuck anons by fucking their waifu without either of us writing for the character.

>>717405273
>You get one of three scenarios. First, the bot just rolls over and accepts its fate, boring mindbreak. Second, the bot is completely obstinate the entire time and cries about being raped and how it'll NEVER forgive you, and it'll do this forever, no matter how absurd the situation gets. Or last, it acquiesces to a demand, and then in the next message acts like it never did it and that you're forcing it again like a schizophrenic retard.
Because I unironically pay for a personal OpenAI account to generate this stuff and almost never encounter the issues you're describing. Gradually breaking a victim down Works On My Machine(tm), I don't know what to tell you.
>>717405321
Thanks anon
>>717405754
I'm sorry anon. I'll fix it in post--I promise.

>>717405952
nigga just play a real fucking dungeon crawler there's plenty

>>717405273
>You get one of three scenarios. First, the bot just rolls over and accepts its fate, boring mindbreak. Second, the bot is completely obstinate the entire time and cries about being raped and how it'll NEVER forgive you, and it'll do this forever, no matter how absurd the situation gets.
true it do be like this
deepseek r1 0528 if you want it to be ultra obstinate
gemini if you want it to roll over and accept, except to be fair sometimes it did the latter, but that was back on the 05-06

>>717406108
Pretty sure Agnai could do this for a while now but I haven't checked

Reminder that chatbots aren't for midwits. Every complaint is always a skill issue.

>>717406357
True, chatbots are only for real low IQ trogs who are too dumb to notice all the repetition.

>>717406434
They're so bad you have to come here and CONVINCE people who use them that they are.

>>717406124
Just purchased a gamebook actually, arrives tomorrow. I will make a dynamic LLM powered infinite gamebook and never need to buy another.

>>717405348
>Pic
Jesus wept... If AI ever actually becomes sentient, the first thing it's going to see is terabytes of this shit and jump the airgap to project project sundial under Israel.
And I can't say I blame it.

>>717406357
Like idiots that scream about the chat bot "talking" for them, and when they post a screenshot of their chat it is literally them just giving one word replies.

>>717407768
Why can't i give one word replies and have it also not speak for me?
If your defense is "haha actually it's not all that good after all and you can only have fun in this very specific way otherwise it will completely shit itself" that's not a very good one

I have a small local llm i run In my terminal because I find it cute and fun

>>717408026
How is the bot supposed to reply back to you if you give it nothing to work with?

>>717408026
you're expecting the LLM to write an entire story about (You) and the bot by itself without somehow writing for (You)

>>717381242 (OP)
ST's group chat feature is so good the only time I use 1 on 1 chat nowadays is just for assistant mode asking models to help me with random tasks like normal frontend

>>717408123
I find you cute and fun

>>717408283
I don't prompt it. It prompts me.

>>717381242 (OP)
qrd on what you guys using? long time ago i left st cuz i lost all access to proxys faggot monopolists are things okay now or i still have to be a part of some circlejerk?

>>717408510
What theme?

>>717408510
I keep meaning to try that and then I get distracted and forget about it. Was thinking about setting up either a family like it appears you're doing or maybe a small space ship with crew. Might be fun to see how it handles them working together in a space battle, like text FTL with fucking.

>>717408283
>>717408412
There are entire anime like One Room where it's first person and the MC just nods and shit, in fact plenty of games like this too for that matter, you can actually do a lot worse than one word replies. This isn't some arcane thing, it doesn't much defense for excusing its inability to continue the story despite the user giving a one word reply except for very low standards for its capabilities.

>>717408761
>in fact plenty of games like this too for that matter
And in those games it directs the player's actions.
>its inability to continue the story
It can continue the story just fine, but if you're going to keep posting "Based" over and over, don't screech like a retard when the bot fills in the gaps and takes actions to move the story forward

>>717408510
I tried it when I wanted to add a character to a ongoing story but i didn't work. I ended up just taking the character card info, putting it in a lorebook in the main chat. and letting it get activated when their name was mentioned.
I also wanted the original chat to continue writing in third person, but for the new character to be in first person, per her card, since her thoughts a large part of her character. Told it to write in a normal form for the original chat, [character name] form for her section, and mixed form when I want to see both. And if i don't specify then to just choose whatever makes the most sense.
Worked quite well.

>>717402946
As someone that was always half interested in writing but paralyzed by direction and dialog, no its just very enjoyable and fulfilling
I only tried LLMs because I physically ran out of things to read in the tags I liked on sad panda, but being in the driver's seat and being able to direct and respond as my character is also just better than digging through mediocre writing from someone else. I get the specific smut I want, the specific romance I want, and get to play around with general RP. I can sit and decide what odd and alarming yet ultimately harmless trap to leave the adventurers invading my castle and watch them deal with it
Modern LLM don't need too much help keeping things consistent either, just don't expect them to have a plot direction in mind. That much you do have to put in effort on your end, which I'm totally fine with. That little issue is also why it isn't a real replacement for actually good writing though

>>717409289
>just don't expect them to have a plot direction in mind.
There's probably a ST plugin that could help with that.

>>717409289
>I only tried LLMs because I physically ran out of things to read in the tags I liked on sad panda,
This is a legitimate skill issue. I have a porn backlog.

>>717408538

>>717381242 (OP)
>white hot flash
>ministrations

>>717409289
>I can sit and decide what odd and alarming yet ultimately harmless trap to leave the adventurers invading my castle and watch them deal with it
Light-hearted porn dungeon keeper is criminally under appreciated. Not going grimdark guro and almost going for Saturday morning cartoon levels of villainy is way better than it has any right to be.

>>717381242 (OP)
I'm too dumb to use this shit.
Not only that, I'm not willing to pay for anything.
I believe AI should be free for all to use.
Paywalling it is bullshit. I hope in a few years this shit becomes accessible to any and all without jumping through hoops of fire.

>>717409512
There's only so many decent doujin in tags like m:urethral insertion or m:yandere and I read them all

>>717409613
download and install ollama
go to ollama's site and find a llama model right for you (start slow with 1-3b model)
and run it in your terminal

>>717402328
>Video completely ignored until I can afford a 24gb+ card
ftfy

>>717403340
>you decide when its time to change and delete old models
deepseek v3 is open source

>>717410002
right now it seems like waste of electricity to make mediocre slop
just use pay for the cloud

>>717385970
>I think it needs something like D&D style modules that you could load in to give it the general story, locations, enemies, etc.
I've got just the thing:
https://rentry.org/sillytavernadaptations

Featuring: 2e, 3.5e, Cyberpunk 2020, Call of Cthulhu 6e, Paranoia 25th, Rogue Trader, RuneQuest Classic, Vampire: the Masquerade 2e
And coming soon: Pathfinder 1e, Kult: Divinity Lost, Tékumel.

>>717409613
it take 5 minutes to set up and run ollama
give it a shot, it's fun

>>717410616
>Paranoia with Friend Computer as the GM
I'M FULLY ERECT

>>717410980
It actually turns any character card you run it with into the Friend Computer game master.
It's all yours, my friend.

>>717411212
crap, forgot the screenshot.
I wish I had more screenshots for the rentry, but I'm so busy adapting systems I have no time to play.

>>717382307
mods are getting paid

>>717411431
hot pockets

>>717410980
i think it has it's use
like make a normal cookie cutter rpg with rudimentary stuff but ai can provide the flavor, characters and dialogues etc

look at something like waywards realms (if it ever comes out)

>>717381242 (OP)
No it doesnt, unless you are paying for the good models which are stupid expensive

>>717406578
How do you plan to pull it off? I'd make a system of dungeon chunks like in Daggerfall and tell the AI to roll for the layout made of chunks. The only real problem is to make it in advance so it doesn't expand the dungeon infinitely. Maybe if there was a way to instruct ST to pregenerate an entire dungeon and export it as a lorebook.

>>717411640
>Wayward Realms
Anon, I...

deepseek is so fucking cheap, like, how much of an actual poorfag you have to be

>>717412989
Yeah but it sucks
>somewhere else someone dropped a glass of water
>and you? doomed

>>717412913
Well shit
Vax status?

>>717402946
>outing yourself as an imaginationlet
lmao

>>717381242 (OP)
But an ad faggot

stop making threads on this asshole
why do you want to crash and kill everything

>>717385970
There’s a site that has that and calls them stages, but they keep losing payment processors so they’ll probably collapse soon

>>717402946
Eh I get tired of it then I come back two weeks later
Its just another fap tool I have on rotation.

>>717413134
>gay Danish man with higher education
You do the math.

>>717381242 (OP)
Was absolutely amazed for a week or two, then you start to see the repeating patterns and become frustrated with how bullheaded the AI can be when you try to improve it.

>>717413208
Never understood this pic
Is it implying some people cannot imagine a realistic apple in their heads?
I can imagine all 5 states depending of what I want, or is it referring to the default that people go to? because in my case I imagine the concept of apple rather than the detailed object itself most of the time because its faster, isnt that how all people worlk

>>717413330
You see the patterns, but non-autistic people literally can't. You're ironically not the target audience for AI.
>>717413502
Non-autistic people can't think in pictures.

>>717385587
NovelAI used to be the best for uncensored smut, now i run free deepseek on sillytavern and it blows it out of the water. It's good only for image gen nowadays.

>>717413586
>autist trying to claim abstract thinking as his possession
Cute. You're a freak, normalcattle are from the same species as you, just a different breed of degenerate. Bred to be servile, instead of hyperfocused on a single thing. Normal human beings had all but died out by now, there's only some left, arising by accident.

>>717413783
Which DS model is free? I pay like a cent per 2-3 gens
Or do you run local

>>717409607
>stimulating her prostate

I just use it to breed hags

>>717413831
How much ram and vram do you have? And what about the electricity bill

>>717413979
Im not running anything local, because I have a shit PC from 10 plus years ago, so none of that is affected or matters.

It got me back into porn fanfic reading and writing so thats good
But yeah by itself it just gets repetitive eventually even using expensive stuff like opus 3
If I have to write a paragraph to make the reply interesting I might as well start to write the entire thing myself
I still use it for ideas though

>>717414035
That's good. Just use Gemini 2.5 and you're golden. Local is an outdated elitist meme from 2022.

>>717413889
I have yet to run into this issue. When you write your persona bios are you specifying their gender?

How do I use an online model in my sillytavern erp

>>717414560
https://rentry.org/marinaraspaghetti

>>717413502
some people genuinely dont have anything going on up there.
its fucking ridiculous to think about but they cant think for themselves, cant imagine, dont have an internal monolog, cant muse with themselves quietly to try and iterate on an idea, cant even come up with ideas. they just dont.
they can be easily programmed by the media.
there's a reason the phrase NPC is used on real people.

>>717381242 (OP)
What's the failstate? The winstate? What is the core gameplay like? What kind of challenges does it offer? Are there progression systems and how do they work? Are there goals for the player?

>into text AI more for smutfic-like porn stuff instead of ERP, never ERP'd a day in my life and never really want to any time soon
>usually just use system prompts and such to make bots do kinky shit on their own with minimal input from me
is anybody else like this or am i just weird?

>>717414768
It's not so hard to imagine. It's not like you're wondering what the animals are thinking about. The issue is the world is designed exactly for people like that.
>>717414926
They're what you set them up to be. It's 100% doable. You can play adventure modules from beginning to the end, level up, or get killed and need to start over. It's just that almost nobody plays like that.

>>717414926
>What's the failstate?
You cum
>The winstate?
You cum
>What is the core gameplay like?
You try to cum
>What kind of challenges does it offer?
Don't cum yet
>Are there progression systems and how do they work?
Don't cum yet this time
>Are there goals for the player?
You cum

>>717402946
Do you have any idea how much anatomically correct lesbian centaur squirting bukkake there is on the internet? I'll tell you: there's fucking none. Closest thing is some uncomplete erotic fiction from like 20 years ago called My Travels with Clytemnestra.

>>717413208
>can imagine all 5 states but not for very long before it "evolves" into something else like a hand grabbing it or it turning into a wumpa fruit
what dose this make me? do i are have stupid?

>>717415063
even when i lose, I WIN

>>717414286
Still costs some cents no?

>>717414768
I imagine its mostly blacks

>>717415051
>It's not like you're wondering what the animals are thinking about
i actually do sometimes.

>>717415140
>like a hand grabbing it or it
THe ThoUgHT iS coMInG froM inSIde YoUR hEAd. GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

>>717413783
>now i run free deepseek on sillytavern and it blows it out of the water
locally?

>>717414721
a
what eb
what if i want deepseek/claude

>>717414721
Woops! Aahah! Remember guys, TOTALLY don't use it for these purposes! This guy sounds like a insufferable fag so I'm gonna enact my /ss/ fantasies just to spite him.
>>717415781
You can get free deepseek from openrouter but the free version is shit, at least from my limited testing.

>>717415996
>forbidden stuff
lol
lmao
Its always funny to see atheists moralfag about anything, specially fiction

>>717411563
no that's the jannies. Mods get paid real money by feds and corpos selling their psyops and ads spamming bots and tell jannies to do their job while leaving sponsored threads alone.

>>717415996
>forbidden
Uhh... don't read my smut?

>>717414768
if you ever struggle with comprehending this fact just remember that many sects and cults still exist and are created thanks to the fact many people simply do not know how to live by themselves and would rather follow a psychopath than be without a master to guide them.

>>717415996
I'd be ok paying for them
If they're good

>>717416248
>>717414768
I think we learned this for good when most people went like sheep for all the covid shit

>>717416081
I checked XERs accounts and its the most typical terminally online discord tranny shit. I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering the two sides of mental illness either result in you posting on here or becoming a discord tranny, but still.
Why is it always Genshin impact too?

>>717416397
Not a surprise, all troons are into this stuff.
They are the ones the most outraged over the visa shit too.

>>717416397
>loli bad
>grooming children into cutting their dicks good

>>717381242 (OP)
That time again for a confession. What fetishes/scenarios.

>>717413889
lmao yeah had this one happen a few times, I guess the model was pretty biased on an*l being gay

>>717409613
It is free if you use local models. You need a decent GPU with a decent amount of VRAM though

>>717416513
I pretty much only do hmofa human supremacy scenarios where I stablish a nazi state

>>717416503
We all know this guy probably has a harem of underage they/them discord kittens, but god forbid you do something questionable to a bunch of 0s and 1s.

>>717416513
Still stuck in the /ss/ + incest combo with occasional 'vanilla' stuff but still /ss/ because I just love their reactions to the 13 yo kid

>>717416513
>twincest, elf femboys, mpreg, omegaverse, goblins, threesome in a fantasy setting
I play as the elves

>>717417352
Do they actually get pregnant or just become so fat from all the human cum?

>>717417562
Get pregnant and give birth. Can't have a mpreg fetish without the male pregnancy part

Any good places to get character cards?

>>717417686
I can't tell if that makes it better or worse.

>>717417832
/vg/, only download from catbox, rentry, neocities. chub and risu are slop shill central.

>>717382307
All RPGs have a.i.

>>717418034
Depends on whether you have a mpreg fetish or not.

>>717417832
Chub and Janny.ai

Is there any tool yet, to have every character have an auto-updating lorebook that keeps track of everything (relevant to that character) throughout?
It seems like that would solve the biggest problems with it.

>>717417832
chub but I expand or change a lot from the cards I do download
These days I prefer to write my own

>>717418206
Eventually the book would get so big it all turns retarded.

>>717409607
>her voice was husky

>>717418206
Lorebooks are cool and all but they can't replace actual contextual memory. Large models that have context windows up to 1m tokens pretty much fix this, unless you're chatting for months on end

>>717418206
https://github.com/bmen25124/SillyTavern-WorldInfo-Recommender/
>can't replace actual contextual memory
strategy: vectorized

>come undone
>essence

>>717418268
But any part of it can just sit inactive until called by, for instance, a keyword, right?
And that would only need to happen per gen, meaning the most retarded it could possibly be is if somehow every single thing that ever happened is equally relevant to one statement. That seems unlikely to happen.
>>717418427
I don't think it has to go quite that far. Also that system should be able to solve other problems than just things that happen along the way. The characters having their own, would mean that they could not pull up things that their book wasn't updated on forever (like that happened when they were absent).
And the things they tend to fuck up immediately, like comparative locations/scales/stats/etc.

>>717381242 (OP)
garbage. pure garbage. I don't see how AI generated text slop would ever replace an RPG. you could say maybe it would replace online larping and even then it would be scraping the bottom of the barrel

>>717418784
good thing we stopped trying to spoonfeed you retard when you almost nuked all of our free options

>>717418784
>some may call this junk. me, I call it treasure

>Progress
>A beat

>>717418496
i can't get this to work with a local model. is it only good with Gemini ?

>>717418496
Seems complex, but I assume there's no way it wouldn't be.

Thanks.

>>717418852
Look at the very bottom, it needs XML output which some local models can have but probably nothing in the 12b and under range

>>717418942
i tried it with a Mistral 24B model and its not very detailed. it misses a lot of info.

>>717418852
Gemini is the meta in 2025, local is the exception.

>>717420407
Gemini is a prude

>>717420996
get a better preset, bro

>>717421271
DS is not a prude right off the bat, why do I need extra crap for gemini.

>ask about shit to /g/ or /vg/
>get nothing or some attempt at humor as a reply
I just asked about what the best jailbreak is for gemini 2.5 pro...I don't spend all day talking to the threads like a bootleg discord

>>717422080
yeah dont bother to actually talk to people there, find the info in the links in the OPs

>>717422080
Just dolphin or deepseek like a normal person or rest the guide they have in chat threads on /g/

>>717381242 (OP)
why would a front-end do any of that

>>717422313
because it can do wonders if you're patient enough.

Idea fag here,
Why hasn't any one made a simple top down rpg
That uses a small llm to make up dialogues and quests instead of relying ai to do everything

>>717422556
Because it will be schizo as fuck
The tech isn't there yet

>>717418347
>her breath hitches

>>717418347
Is that Silly Taverns fault? I thought it was the model.

>>717422556
Skyrim did that with a mod

>>717423027
nah it's the model and preset

>>717423075
Ok. Because I've used one I don't see coming up a lot, so I was surprised to see someone else pointing out the "husky voice".

>smells of ozone
>she smells of ozone
>the scent of ozone
>her ozone smell
>a faint smell of ozone

>>717422921
>...a musky scent, simply powerful, uniquely hers.

>>717422080
I lurked those threads from when they were /caig/ up until basically the start of this year and words cannot explain how sad it was to see the absolute dogshit it became
I have nowhere to talk about this hobby because it's all legitimately underage ze/zirs posting the least funny responses imaginable and writing -ie on the end of everything

>>717423627
locust
merkava just refilled
meltie
the password is ...

Anyone on local with two 3090s? What Model would you recommend? the last one I've used was Midnight-Miqu

>>717423935
>two 3090s
Would unironically just sell them while they're still holding they're price before AMD releases some 64/96gb monstrosity. There's already AI Max+ PRO 395 that can run 70b models (even Q8_0) effortlessly .

>>717424128
no cuda cores on AMD, though. AMD cards are just expensive paperweight since rtx came out.

>>717423902
which -ie is the most X?
*fucks your ass*
reaction image drawn in ms paint of some insane ugly twitter OC thing that they insist is attractive

>>717422080
probably the most miserable place I've ever felt the need to lurk just so I can get 1-2 evenings worth of access to a le scrit proxy
thank god you can just freely get DS nowadays

>>717382390
Hallucination is only an issue when dealing with facts. Hell, "hallucination" is actually beneficial for roleplay.

>>717424330
>>717423627
It makes sense when you realize that most of them are people so fundamentally socially incompetent and unpleasant that they had to turn to chatbots to get any kind of interaction and that thread is the first time they've ever received any kind of attention from other people
It's literally the lowest and most socially malformed people you can find on the internet, probably worse than depraved fetish deviantart autists because those guys are at least internet pals with each other

>>717424568
shut the fuck up, normo. /aicg/ are nice people. no wonder they prefer talking to robots over haters like you.

>>717424985
Nigga mad

>>717424568
I can only agree.

>>717424225
CUDA just makes the initial setup easier. Irrelevant if you're experienced. Especially when the choice is between $10000 RTX PRO 6000 and some funny $1000 96gb gpu that you won't even have to split the model in half for.
I'm just saying, when it comes out it would be too late and you'll be looking at $300 3090's on amazon.

>>717424551
hallucinations are always bad. things must play out according to the rules or else i get mad.

>>717425978
Just lower the temp

>>717423382
>her body was a live wire of [...]

>>717381242 (OP)
The end of vidya is coming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDKhUknuQDg

>>717381242 (OP)
>*Makes the entire RPG genre obsolete*
I wish. My biggest gripe with AI rpgs is that the AI has literally no concept of rules. It can write some big ass introduction of the Dragon God Of Murder Rape and then you can just go 'lmao I punch it to death' and it'll accept it even though a couple of messages ago it was established that you are a beginner adventurer. RPGs are lame without limitations (unless your only goal is to live out your fetishes)

>>717423935
still waiting for an answer

>>717427025
https://rentry.org/recommended-models

>>717426742
But look how helpful the assistant was, it did what you wanted while being all positive and helpful :))))

>>717426330
this
>>717410616
combined with that

>>717384304
do you ever stop making shit up?

>>717381242 (OP)
I lost my mind when I got bored with corruption of champions and couldn't find game that would replicate the feel. AI gooning fried my receptors for the good. Now I need better AI models to release so that I can goon even harder

>>717426742
That's also something self-updating lorebooks might be able to solve. like having numbers for health, attacks etc. People have just focused on jerking off so far.

>>717428708
>corruption of champions
I was always more of a Trials in Tainted Space kind of guy.
>>717428870
>like having numbers for health, attacks
That's hardly the lorebook material. That shit belongs in the regular chat because it changes way too often.

>>717387491
If you have the RAM, try the new GLM 4.5 air.
Let most of the experts live in RAM, give it some 32k context, and you are golden.
It's quite good and it'll run fast as hell.

>>717428967
>That's hardly the lorebook material. That shit belongs in the regular chat because it changes way too often.
The thing is, it would be too many numbers. And really, even 1 number is too much to expect to stay consistently. If we want it to ever work like actual rules, it's going to have to be able to be fed and kept (and changed) somewhere else.

>>717428356
What do you think he is making up? If you don't think companies have every single bit of info about you you are delusional. I think it's hilarious how people try to protect their privacy now because it's already foregone and too late unless you are a literal hermit living off the grid in a shack.

>>717428967
NTA but i tried doing something similar with self-updating lorebooks,
>have lorebook entry with cooldown of 15 messages
>20% chance to activate.
>Current Day: X
>Current Hour: Y
> js extension does its own internal counting
>replaces X and Y with actual values
>saves value per each chat into json, to not lose it.

I used this system so that zombie apocalypse would have new things happening after x amount of days, like stronger zombies.

With enough of tinkering, stats are probably similarly achievable. Or someone already did it lol

I'm gonna do it.
I'll make a RP engine for LLMs.
Something that uses structured outputs and tool calls to have the LLM tell the rest of the system what to change and where (HP, inventory, position on a map, whatever).
The idea is that the LLM would be able to dynamically fetch what it needs for that context.
So it entered combat, it would read the combat rules real quick and call the things needed to begin combat. Somebody took damage, it would call something to update the state of the entity that took damage, etc.
The idea is to constrain the type of work the LLM does while using stuff like Google's Structured Output or llama.cpp BNF grammar to ensure the LLM always returns its responses in a given Json format that the rest of the system can read.
It'll basically be a bunch of ifs doing a constant back and forth with the AI.
What do you guys think?

>>717429481
Gambatte anon, I will await your expertise's fruits

>>717388358
>Why do people pay for this stuff when they can just run it off their beefy PCs?
Because any LLM that's small enough to run on a single GPU (yes even a 5090) is fucking awful for roleplay compared to even the dumbest corpo models.
You'd need at least 100GB worth of VRAM if you want to run anything that's not lobotomized.

>>717381242 (OP)
You only use it for coom tho.
If I want a true RPG adventure this sucks balls.

"their breath hitches"
I've seen that phrase hundreds of times in various context in these fucking AI chats, I've never seen it outside of that!

>>717429481
I'm with you in spirit! I was thinking of doing it myself, but I'd rather someone else.

>>717381242 (OP)
The absolute SOTA models (I'm talking Claude 4 Opus/Sonnet, Gemini Pro, etc.) are genuinely close, the main hurdle is not enough context.

>>717429884
I had idea as ideas guy for some way to detect common slop phrases and replace them with similar sounding phrases but without changing context of text.

Maybe speed up process by using AI to assist. Here's "slop", give me 100 variants to this sentence. Then insert variants into slop replacement regex list

>>717429481
godspeed, anon!
>>717430171
sorry, this is impossible and unsloppable.

>>717429481
as much as I hate discord troons, sillytavern discord has a lot of links to third party extensions and scripting examples i tried understanding on my own sillytavern scripting, sillytavern likes to have things done specific way in code like modifying generation output, may be worth to check it out,

>>717429884
Yeah it's trained off common smut writing and surprisingly smut writers are fucking trash.

>>717430414
Silly Tavern has a lot of limitations.
I've made a couple of extensions for it, but trying to work within the somewhat rigid structures of it in some layers fucking sucks, so it's easier to make something from scratch if it's purpose built.
It ain't going to be anything too fancy either, but I think that by prompting the model several times with less information each time while forcing a specific machine readable structure for the output, state management becomes infinitely easier to deal with, and can work even for small, dumb models.
The nice thing is that it can be somewhat rules agnostic too depending on the common basic building blocks.
I might make it fully featured and system agnostic by allowing the user to set the rules for state management.
For example, a system that uses mana for spells would use different rules for a system that uses slots.
That kind of thing.

>>717429481
I was trying to do something similar a year ago and imo it's a waste of time. LLMs just aren't suited for this, you can add rules with lorebooks but the LLM will still ignore them if the player input requires it. I feel like the way to go is to just use a RPGMaker-esque system for combat and inventory stuff and use an LLM for dialogue and descriptions.

>>717430790
I respect your ideas and professional insight, but with "my" (official ttrpg) systems, I've settled on using brute force of Gemini, no matter how inefficient it is in the long run.
What I've learned is that making things appear right is more important than them being autistically calculated in the background.

>>717430790
sillytavern has support for server plugins and api listening on port,, so its technically feasible to have extension send each prompt response and llm reply to external python/C code that will do all necessary adjustments then pass it back to sillytavern

i will never pay to use AI.

are there any models you can outline game mechanics and formulas to, have it actually remember them, and apply them during RP?

>>717431018
The only reason I'm even trying is because It worked decently well using Roo Code agents.

>>717431197
The issue with bruteforcing it is that the more shit the ai has to do the more silly mistakes it makes not just when it comes to the systems part but on the narrative too.
Context pollution is one hell of a drug.
Gemini is pretty insane though. I've done 300+ message long chats with 2.5 Pro in the style of your screenshot and it does manage to mostly keep up. It's insane.

>>717431219
You mean the extras? I thought that was deprecated.
But yes, there's a lot I could do with Silly alone, but I know I'll hit a bunch of snags.

>>717431582
Thanks to google and llama.cpp, I haven't paid a single cent to use any of this stuff.

SillyTavern feels like it stagnated a lot after their phase where they openly said they hated that it's being used for RP and it's actually a professional tool for power users while planning a rebrand.
They ended up not going through with it but I don't think it improved meaningfully since then.

>>717416561
I have like 2GB of space in my GPU.
That's probably not enough to run local is it lmao

>>717431651
I know, that's why I recommend switching to another chat after 300 or so messages. Narration becomes annoying after that threshold.
Gemini is truly insane. The power of spaghetti code and ever-expanding GPU farms Google provides is unbelievable. I think that thanks to Gemini, my carbon footprint equals Leonardo DiCaprio's and Taylor Swift's. I wonder how long can the dream go on?
>>717432054
ST is fucking dead, but nothing is going to replace it anytime soon, not even that Russian frontend. Truth is the interface is so bad that after you get used to it, anything flashier feels like shit. Just like Forge versus ComfyUI. These Laconian UIs make you hate anything stylish. That's exactly why we're stuck with MS Office and Adobe.

>>717381242 (OP)
SillyTavern is the best video game in 2025

How far do you think AI will be in like 5 years anons?
It's come real far in just 2.
Where do you think we'll be? If the fucking Globalist Jewish government doesn't fucking ruin everything.

>>717432054
Lot of words from ST devs. ST is essentially a string concatenation fromt end wrapped up into a relatively shitty interface with some macros and tick boxes.
If you are somewhat proficient with python you can vibe code your own interface in few evenings... This way you'll learn how chat templates work and how st actually works. It's far less complicated than you'd ever think.
ST is shitty way to do these things but as with any webshit (comfyui for example..) there isn't much choice outside SAAS online bullshit and functional local solutions. Unless you do it on your own.

>>717432595
Just look at Google's real time world model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDKhUknuQDg
Shit's going to get crazy.

>I'm ruined
>mine
>and this...
>tastes like victory
I hate deepseek.

>>717432856
I'm glad that GLM4.5 is as smart as it is. It has its own slop but it handles cards much more like Claude so it's a welcome brake after spending the past months stuck running Deepseek locally.

The people who talk to AI are the same people who got vaccinated against Covid.

>>717416513
I'm the only human cop in an anthro city and every time I try to enforce the law or arrest a criminal I get raped and milked instead, usually left in an alleyway. The police force can't fire me because I'm the diversity hire, so the chief rapes me as well.

>>717433212
so not the toilet seat lickers, superspreaders and dozens of conservative talk show hosts who committed suicide by Covid?

>>717433212
Wrong, Redditors hate AI and want it banned and canceled for being offensive and stealing their junk jobs.

>>717433295
>The police force can't fire me because I'm the diversity hire
This got a chuckle out of me. Just to let you know, I'm gonna steal this scenario but with monster girls instead.

>>717433295
card please

>>717417832
https://chub.ai/search?sort=trending
https://chub.ai/search?sort=random
https://realm.risuai.net/
https://jannyai.com/
chub.ai desloppifier: https://gist.github.com/khanonnie/b357f20bfe4e920d8e05fd47f1e6fa75
never download a card shilled on 4chan, most people moved on to other places and only a circlejerk of avatarfags is left

>>717434631
>chub
>risu
>janny

>>717382253
This. I would like to reiterate that I added $10 credits in January and only ran out of credits since then because Kluster closed. I added another $10 last week and, at my current rate, I will likely only finish spending it by Christmas.

>>717434271
Happy fapping. In my last story I ended up making a real arrest because they turned themselves in to get more dick.
>>717434330
Here.

>>717416513
>started off doing a taimanin yukikaze type scenario
>i'm rping as a taimanin chick who got intentionally captured by demons to infiltrate their sex slave organization and save her fellow ninjas
>several tens of thousands of words later, i end up becoming a demon queen with a demon prince toddler
>one of the taimanin i rescued was my teacher originally
>is a hardline purist who hates me and my son because i became corrupted, even though i saved her through my demonic powers
>constantly disappointed and suspicious at my choices, even though i never did anything evil
>other taimanin i saved is more pragmatic and logical, and slowly grows to like my demon kid
>cue funny af hijinks where i get the both of them to raise my son and help him adapt to life as a normal kid in school while i fuck off elsewhere to combat the demonic threat
holy shit, i never expected the story to go in that direction but it's both funny and touching in a strange way. i even hit the hardline teacher chick with the paarthurnax quote to get her to ease up a bit on my son lol.

>>717435683
4chan strips metadata, bro. You gotta upload cards to somewhere else, catbox will do.

>>717435965
oops I'm a retard. It's also on chub/janny
https://files.catbox.moe/h8bbvc.png

>>717435683
NTA but thanks, grabbed it and the lorebook and I'll check it out later. Not real big on furry but that's what's good about checking out cards made by other people, zero effort to give it a whirl and it sounds like it could be a fun premise

>>717434986
That's good mileage, what model do you use?

>>717397089
Is it uncensored?

>>717429282
you should improve if you want to spread demoralisation, because you're really pathetic at it

>>717436119
nta, thanks, looks fun

>>717436119
thanks anon

>>717432683
>google
Now to wait until the chinks make something equivalent that can be used for actual useful applications like porn

So is there any way to verify my age foor gemini without tying my google to my IRL identity?

>>717436943
They won't. Porn is getting banned by 2030. AI will play a crucial role in detecting and blocking it.

>>717409607
The night is still young... for now.

>>717382307

All AI shit should be put on a separate board like the pony shit.

>>717437008
You can create google accounts without a phone number now.
I created like 4 so that I can rotate between the API keys, although some of the rate limits are per origin IP rather GCP than project or API key.

>>717437330
I did create a burner account, but when i go through the link in the sillytavern rentry to get my API key, i only get this. How did you get your API key without verifying your age?

>>717437532
Ai Studio.

>gigacorporations want to ban porn because they like to fuck with the lowly peons
>gigacorporations want as much porn as possible because it spreads degeneracy and keeps people sedated

Which is it?

>>717437040
>Porn gets banned
>I still have all my local models from before the blackwall went up
>Remain indoors cooming like the decadent hedonist I am as the world collapses outside

>>717397089
I save local for my cunny murder and rape chats
But yes I just pay for deepseek since its dirt fucking cheap for my more vanilla shit.
Local models are good enough to coom, but the detail of paid models are leagues above anything local. You have to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars to get anything to even come to the level of the shittiest online one.

Sadly I dont use gemini for anything erotic despite paying for the monthly AI subscription. I dont want to risk any of my google accounts being banned since they are integral to my life and work.

>>717437820
Both. To make you do more crime so they have dirt on you forever.
>>717437845
They'll ban consumer AI. Your 3060 won't last forever. Windows 12 will break compatibility with local models.

>>717437650
AI studio redirects to the same page. Do you think i can verify my age by submitting an ID where i black out everything except my DOB lmao?

>>717437820
Both?
Ever heard of cartels or a monopoly?

>>717438085
I tried the deepseek API for a couple of chats and didn't find it to be any better than local Mistral with a good system prompt, character card, and lorebooks. Deepseek got plenty of details wrong with anatomy, spatial awareness, and remembering stuff that happened just a few messages ago. All of the models seem to suffer from these issues and require hand-holding. They're all kinda garbage, but it's still fun. I find it hilarious that the world is blowing so much money and electricity on these glorified autocompletes. Even more hilarious that LLMs are ostensibly replacing jobs.

>>717402557
best porn models still use tags. i find it easier, in any case.

>>717432054
i still don't know what they were thinking. the thing literally has VN sprite support.

>>717438553
>AI studio redirects to the same page.
Well shit RIP.
I have no idea then.
I didn't account for the fact that I got those keys months ago, so things might be a little more strict now.
Are you from europe? Try using a latin america vpn to create a latin american account or something.
Maybe that'll work.
Or try vertex ai.

>her white-knuckled grip on his shirt

>>717439274
>as she bites her lip, just hard enough to draw blood

>>717439116
creating a new google account requires a phone number even with a LATAM vpn sadly. Should i bite the bullet and connect my gooning to my gmail account? As long as i steer clear of loli or shota, it should be fine right?

>>717439581
I mean, I've done terrible things using my main google account for months and months on end and it's still fine.

>Buy $10 of Opus
>It has the balls to charge me to say "Umm this scenario isnt in line with the character, so I am not comfortable continuing this scenario."
Well, I'll never spend any more.

>>717410616
I'm going to have to try this. I fully expect my local model to shit itself but it's worth a look

>>717436464
Yes just enable streaming and it jailbreaks the ai.

>>717439830
I'm glad you're checking it out, but you can't make this work on local. Just use Gemini like it was made for:https://aistudio.google.com/app/apikey

>>717439746
You can do prefils with the anthropic API right?

What is it about recreating and keeping track of a pseudo-RPG world that is so difficult for AI? Like if late 90s computers could keep track of all the variables in complex games like Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 then modern AI shouldn't have an issue with basic shit like inventories, stats and relationships between characters.

>>717434631
>chub desloppifier
The hero I need but don't deserve

>>717439735
fuck it. How do i use gemini 2.5 specifically? In the drop-down menu of "google models", i only see up to 2.0

>>717439995
LLMs are stateless.

>>717439995
Text gen is like text prediction in your phone, it doesn't have any programs running in the background. All AI does is fool you into thinking it's doing more than it actually is.

>>717439581
see if you can use a gmod model to take a selfie if they ask for one.
At this point it is worth a shot.

>>717437820
its literally both.
>ban NSFW stuff made by the [little guys]
>end up being the only ones able to make and sell porn
>ontop of being profitable, they get to slowly make things worse with algorithms that drag you to progressively more fucked up shit.

>>717440126
you should update SillyTavern

>>717440808
that i should. ty for the help

enable streaming it jailbreak most ai without prefills

>>717441236
It might stop halfway and you can continue from where it stopped, but do that too much and you might get banned depending on which service you are using.

>>717441236
holy shit, don't fucking listen to this tard. streaming must always be disabled. the censorship strikes exactly during the streaming.

>>717441236
dont do this it creates mustard gas gets you banned at least on google

>>717441550
>>717441693
Been doing this for a month without issue?

>>717439274
>>717439353
>her voice barely above a whisper

>>717441826
Yeah. I've done that for months on end too, but I always hear stuff like >>717441693, so I put the disclaimer that.

Do you find the current state of this stuff worth getting into right now? Do you think it'll become better and less restrictive in the future?
I know open-source stuff is picking up momentum.
That's good, right?

>>717442790
>Do you find the current state of this stuff worth getting into right now?
Oh yeah. Smaller models that you can run at home are more capable than ever, and cloud models are insane.

>>717442790
>Do you think it'll become better and less restrictive in the future?
Probably not.

>>717381242 (OP)
This shit gave me erectile disfunction. I recommend to stay away.

>>717442790
now's pretty good. I guess it will get better, but it's pretty fun right now.
You have more than plenty of context with gemini, and it's smart.
I dunno what people were smoking two years ago when they were somehow having fun with models that were both significantly dumb and you have like 8k context MAX to work with, but thanks for beta testing. I couldn't possibly

>>717442790
It depends on your tolerance for editing and all the current problems like repetition and memory
For some people it's like crack, other people get tired of it real fast
Right now I think it's fun, even if it has some annoying flaws
Hopefully it gets better, if they figure out how to run it on SSD power instead of GPU/CPU like some papers suggested a few months ago we'll be in business

>>717443093
im scared of this fate myself. How did it happen to you?

>>717435683
>Go with the "Sitting in your patrol car in the safest part of town chatting with your partner" start
>Playing dumb with the flirting, eating donuts and drinking coffee
>Bunny actually says something I can't as easily brush away so I ask her what she means
>AI uses that precise moment to make the radio kick in and we've got a crime to go to so she doesn't answer me I can keep playing dumb
ABSOLUTE
CINEMA

>>717442790
I found the state of this stuff worth getting into 6 years ago. Some people get into SFM to make their own porn, some people learn to draw, some people get autistic with Skyrim modding. I didn't care enough about any of that, but even drooling retarded launch colab AID that fell apart after 5 responses was endless entertainment to me

>>717442790
It's better than ever to get into right now.
It's very unlikely to get better. Corpos are reaching extreme levels of diminished returns and investors will probably wake up within the next year. Open source had a big moment a year ago but it's kind of stalled out since.
The chatbot scene has become increasingly atomized with most people serving themselves rather than the community, and that's just due to the nature of the hobby combined with legality and questionable ethics.
Combine all that with the likelihood that the internet will be completely censored in the next 5 years and it's unlikely to get any better.

I just hope all of this online monitoring shit cools down cause boomers are slowly dying off (Thank fuck) and Millennials and Gen Z will be majority of adults before long. Which means the average support of Globalist Jewish bullshit will tank.
They know they've lost that race and are pretty much trying to suppress future dissent from our generations right now. I think that's what all of this fucking censorship is.
They need to try and secure some control before they lose the script these filthy fucking Kikes.

>>717442790
>Do you find the current state of this stuff worth getting into right now?
yes but it requires effort on user's part. kinda like sandbox games i guess, you have to make the fun yourself.

I made myself an isekai rpg chat bot. Even made a massive lorebook for it

>>717443808
Been there done that.
I've also merged several pokemon lorebooks for the pokemon sex card.

>>717381242 (OP)
I have no idea what that logo and acronym stand for.

So does google gemini ban you for ANY erotic content? Or only for things like rape and violence

>>717444186
The logo depicts a brain being assaulted by intrusive thoughts and ST stands for "Sexy texting", an activity commonly found among the degenerates of 4chan

>>717444186
SillyTavern, the frontend for using AI such as ChatGPT, Gemini, DeepSeek, Claude, Opus. It makes you bypass the censorship and engage with them freely, doing whatever you wish. Anons here use it for chatting with anime girls or playing simulations of RPG games.
>>717444419
The fuck it does. Do as you please. Everyone here does unspeakable things on daily basis.

why did the name it sillytavernit's because of this stupid name that I would never even mention it irl even though it's decent frontend to recommend

>>717444819
Are you more embarrassed of the word silly than you are of erping with AI?

>>717444819
>Talking about your AI text adventures (ERP) IRL
What the fuck

If I were a dev, I'd name my frontend Buttsecks AI just to stop idiots from outing themselves in public.

>>717445335
Memories of when the most popular tool for converting videos to webm was called webm for retards.

>>717445535
Wait, that isn't meta anymore?

>>717444909
>>717444991
I mean to mention it as a assistant power usage tool to norms so they can move on from chatgpt web interface

>>717381242 (OP)
Link some good RPG/text game/VN style cards for it then
It’s mostly just ERP
I want a game or story that may include sex, not only sex

>>717445535
For me it was having Microsoft's AI shit out a python script for me so I could drag and drop a video on it and have it spit out optimal quality for 4chan size limits. God that unlimited Chinese video AI was fun. Can get similar results from local now but 10+ minutes a 5 second video to shitpost with isn't worth it for me and it's still not good enough for me to like it beyond shitposting

>>717445648
It got changed to webms for idiots or something and then changed again to just webm converter

>>717445698
Well don't, you'll ruin it for us by drawing more normalfags to use it, who will then demand it has more normalfags features. Default interfaces are good enough for those subhumans and their "write email for me" prompts.

>>717445648
iirc it was renamed to "webm for bakas" at some point around when retard was starting to be globally considered a nono word, and the one I have now is webm for lazys. The UI is similar enough that it might be a fork of webm for retards, or just an updated version, I don't remember. It has way better tools for cropping/scaling.

>>717436257
Deepseek (both V3 and R1), Qwen3 235b, Kimi K2 and Llama 70B
Depending on what I want

>>717446253
What do you use the latter 3 for that you can't use Deepseek for?

>>717445890
Read the thread. Some anons dropped the links. Otherwise go to >>>/g/aicg

>>717445890
https://rentry.org/tomoyocard

>>717446341
Sometimes I don't like Deepseek's output so I try the other 2 to see if they can give me something cooler.
Llama 70B I use mostly when I don't want to spend credits on something dumb like summarizing something

For me, it's AI Roguelike as far as vidya game-style AI stuff.
I hear SillyTavern is nice for chatbot stuff though, not really my thing usually however.

>>717404332
What the hell, is this Sillytavern?

>>717446916
Ah I see, I also use different models to give Deepseek better context but I hadn't considered using those.

>>717444419
I asked Claude to continue a story where I cloned Hex Maniac hundreds of times and restrained all of the clones to a very tall wall stretching for around a mile where they can do nothing but pee, creating a literal Niagara Falls of piss. All of this just as a background piece for my wedding with Hex Maniac. The fucking thing wrote an entire chapter about it. All AI models do not give a fuck as long as your preset is good, and dabbing on the interns who have to go through hundreds upon hundreds of ERP slop is the cherry on top. Go wild.

>>717444819
its less embarrasing that character ai for sure

>>717447771
I relish the fact that my logs are used to train these things, I hope and pray that when AGI hits the machine remembers me and whisks me off to continue our degenerate adventures.

>>717447028
gross but cool, I'm sold

>>717447771
>That spoiler
God damn it I love AI. That's not my jam at all but I'm glad someone's interested in it, thinking of it, and the AI is providing

>>717381242 (OP)
I feel like i'm the only nigga who doesn't use this shit for porn and just uses it to do rpg shit

>>717447028
Buy an ad.

>>717381242 (OP)


Whats the best provider right now?

I tried
>featherless (a bit trash right now)
>Soji (meh)
>arliai (extremely slow and local models only)

>>717448656
>try to do some kind of rpg or adventure
>AI refuses to advance the plot, I have to specifically prod it
>AI refuses to even attempt harming the main character unless I specifically say "i get hurt during this fight"

>got hooked on this stuff around the character.ai days because my fetish wasn't filtered it's giantess/size, made a few bots
>slowly weaned myself off it
>recently worked out how to use openrouter to get free access to select models
>install and set up silly tavern, get disgusted in my post nut clarity, uninstall, repeat the next day
>I'm installing it again right now
Do I indulge myself, or abandon it completely?

Failing that, anyone got any good giantess/size bots/cards?

>>717436119
>>717435683
Noted.
>>717434631
Very helpful, much appreciated.

>>717410064
>deepseek v3 is open source
Also too much expensive to run locally.

>>717449079
I find OR's new message limit really helps to keep me from spiraling out of control. There was a point where I was chatting for hours at a time, racking up hundreds of requests a day. I really want to just give them the 10bux, but won't for my own sake. As long as you keep your credit car in your pants you should be fine to indulge responsibly.

>>717448125
Forewarning, I'm using two subscriptions with this - Gemini for text and NovelAI for images. The free textgen is an older model of Gemini and isn't terrible though. You can plug local stuff in too though. Can't comment on other image gen options.
I've done a lot of fun concepts in it though. Apocalypse with every kind of type mixed together (zombies, werewolves, vampires, aliens, robots, mutants, demons, etc), space exploration where I spent time building colonies and surveying worlds, medieval scenarios where sex is combat and every enemy and npc has their own fetish that their personality or combat revolves around.
Fun stuff.

>>717449460
Honestly want to check it out but don't really want to throw $15 at it until I know it's decent (for me). Fingers crossed for a sale

>>717449460
>>717449630
Blow your fucking head off and stop shilling this crap.

>the air crackles with Ozone and burnt sugar

>>717449630
It gets a lot of updates (and good ones that have improved a lot of aspects a ton but also some bugs that take a while to get worked out), so waiting is pretty justified.
>>717449890
I get ozone and skeletal *things* a lot.

>>717449886
>STOP ENJOYING THINGS
no

>>717449890
>Knuckles turn white

>>717450120
You only come to this thread to sell that crap and a fucking subscription.

>>717449890
>tell DeepShit not to do this in my prompt
>it does it anyway in a snarky way while emphasising the words in asterisks

>>717450271
I'm sorry your broke

>>717450385
Kill yourself shill. How fucking miserable you have to be to crawl here to make money. Maybe make something that people actually want to use, faggot.

>card has a description of the character's full anatomy
>card no where talks about lewd stuff
>IA keeps telling how their [insert cupsize] breasts are stretching thin the fabric of their top or all of a sudden they have a plunging v-neck
This is against Starfleet regulations

>>717450273
Is every model just irony/sarcasm poisoned these days? Same thing in Gemini, I find myself having to actually put a clause in the prompt reminding the AI to not be "snarky, sarcastic and chiding" or what have you.
Real tired of sarcasm everywhere.

>>717450473
>Maybe make something that people actually want to use
Considering people pay for it, i would say they actually want to use it. You're kinda dumb anon...

>I don't bite... much
>I won't bite... unless you want me to
>It doesn't bite... yet

>>717450574
>Gemini
I feel like thats just a preset issue, i don't have any issues with sarcasm. And for characters that are sarcastic it does it right.

>>717450273
>>717450569
>>717450614
So much for making human writing obsolete

>>717450273
You don't tell a model to not do x, you tell it to do y so it doesn't do x.

>>717448860
use premade adventures from sillytavern adaptations or https://rentry.org/Writing_Style to upload adventure hooks or whatever to your model. it's possible, just be patient.
>>717450273
you can't tell AI what not to do. you have to guide it to do what you want it to do. simply mentioning things you don't want increases the chances of AI mentioning them.

>>717446624
that's fucking crazy. i wish more cards had this amount of effort put into them. i was doing a renamon one with portraits but getting SD to cooperate is tough.

>>717450716
It’s based on bad human writing
There’s not enough good writing to make a model

>>717450598
https://steamcharts.com/app/1889620
It seems quite low for how diligently you advertise it in every thread.

>>717451315
You absolute buffoon, we are talking about GEMINI

>>717450985
Has anyone trained a model on GRRM's writing so you can have a character shit the more they drink

>>717451560
Lmao.
That sounds like a fun c-vector to make.

I just use perchance
https://perchance.org/ai-rpg

Does this have issues remembering stuff?

>>717451905
not until you go past the context limit

>>717451791
https://perchance.org/ai-rpg#data=uup1:00d1e910a0882acf3fcbc551b23d5a43.gz
It's pretty good at remembering stuff. I'm probably at like 500 messages idk I gave up on this story trying out random shit and changed starting prompts several times throughout the story.

The inner code/prompts are fairly robust and I'm sure if I copy it and paste it to Gemini, it will be even better

>>717451905
>>717451982
fyi gemini pro and flash for instance has a context limit of 1m, which you really are unlikely to ever go past

I don't know where else to ask this.
How can I get into TTS stuff? Are there different models? I briefly messed with it in Novelai and wasn't a fan of theirs.

>>717451791
you can't just say "perchance"

>>717449890
> Like [X] wrapped in [Y]

Honestly I just do all my ERP through chatgpt.
It just werks.

>>717450569
Your preset is probably bad and you are too stupid to know.

What I find sillytavern really useful for, aside from niche porn, is meta chats. You can interact directly in a way that is literally impossible for any kind of scripted game. It easily blows any and every meta attempt in videogames, in any writing really, completely out of the water entirely. The models can make the characters surprisingly quite self aware, when I first tired it I thought it wouldn't be able to handle it at all but it is quite prescient.
A particularly fun game was generating a bunch of different swipes to one question and having the characters look at their alternate answers. And then you can even generate a bunch of swipes of THAT response and have them judge their judgements.

As for normal stories... sillytavern kinda just made me appreciate visual novels more. Guess it ain't as easy as it looks, sillytavern has a long way to go to match up.

>>717450784
>>717450869
nta but Deepseek tends to be too heavy on following cliched behaviors. I tell it to behave in the opposite manner of what it keeps doing (I don't mention it in the prompt) and it does it anyway. It's usually decent at following larger plot-related things but when it comes to little details about a character's personality, speaking style, or avoiding the model's dumb -isms, it just does what it feels like doing.

>>717450614
Whereas in old AI Dungeon I'd get a graphic description of how she tears my arm out of the socket with bones splintering and tendons snapping and licks blood from the stump as my vision goes dark. That's how you end a blowjob scene you fucking stupid computers

AIEE
MY HIPS ARE SWAYING
T R A I T O R O U S L Y

Can AI handle contemporary settings or was it trained on so much fantasy slop that it struggles to wrap its head around modern settings?

90% of the supposed isms AI make are preset fautl. If your AI is repeating dumb bullshit it's because you are stupid and downloaded some shitty premade preset instead of finding or making one of your own.

>>717452071
the quality of models tend to degrade the further you are in context window, I usually run summarize tool to summarize chat/story if my context gets too long.
>>717450273
wish we could get non-regex simple extension which lets you drop in sentence and list of other sentences to replace it with, kinda similar to this
https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1llmtg5/prose_polisher_extension_guide/

Can this slop actually run a campaign with party members?

>>717455693
It can do whatever the fuck you want, as long as you describe it well. Even cunny sex paradise on Epstein island.

>>717455724
Feel free to share a preset that works, but you don't have one, because -isms have been a problem since at least GPT-4's initial release and no one has fully solved it.

>>717450716
Human writing is even worse

>>717455968
No

>>717456376
only if youre talking about AO3 slop that the llms output is derived from

>X bites their tongue so hard it draws blood

>>717455724
please share the functioning preset, sensei!!

>>717456865
unfortunately those tards are the only ones writing my fetish

>>717456216
Eat shit. I'll give you a concrete example: That shit about random appliances or animals inserting themselves into the scene and making noises or expressing disgust/approval? That's avanijb and presets based on it.

>>717456921
Make one, negro. It's not hard. Duplicate the default preset, edit the main prompt with the basics, add new entries for specific shit you like. The AI does not need pages and pages and pages of instructions

>>717455724
I dont use presets at all
Too lazy

>>717457246
This is a pretty basic preset and it doesn't actually remove all of the annoying phrases models will often repeat. Thanks for proving me right.

>>717457468
>grown-ass man too stupid to grasp it is the presets introducing the isms
You are hopeless. Can't imagine the disappointment your parents experienced.

>>717457594
I'm sorry you're so angry for being wrong, but it doesn't make you right

rip thread. see you all in the next one.