Somehow pathetically the best 3D Castlevania.

>>717391479 (OP)
it is a good game and the sequel being trash has no bearing on that, kino ending too

>>717393237
LoS1's not bad, but LoS2 should have been a lot better instead of the confused turd it is.

The N64 games would be the best if they weren't so terrible to control.

>>717391479 (OP)
I liked Curse of Darkness the most. Not the level design, the level design in that game blows but everything else was cool.

>>717391479 (OP)
Fuck no, Lament of Innocence is easily the best 3Dvania.

https://youtu.be/Ej9WmEVDZ9k?si=MBQO612uVMZOfh8M

>>717391479 (OP)
>genre defying epic
Nigga it's just God of War come down

>>717391479 (OP)
>best 3D Castlevania.
Wrong.

>>717393660
The level design is so bad, so many sections of the castle where you are walking in a nearly straight line for minutes with literally no enemies to fight or things to do besides grab hearts.

>717393730
Contrarianism is not a personality.

>>717391479 (OP)
This thread made me realize I've never actually even seen gameplay of this, so I looked it up. Good lord, this looks dull. A real wet fart final conclusion to that time's action adventure games.

>>717393707
I remember playing a lot of LoI, but I was so utterly terrible at games at the time that it utterly confused me and I never made real progress. I should try it again.

>>717393789
>I'm mad that you're right but I'm too pussy to come out and say it directly
Yep.

>>717393707
Lament of Innocence's level design is barely better than CoD's, if at all.

>>717394058
>I should try it again.
Prepare for a mindnumbing amount of boring hallway travel and general disappointment. If you find Lords of Shadow dull Lament of Innocence will put you to sleep.

>>717391479 (OP)
The PS2 games shit all over that garbage

>>717394971
I wish they did. Other than the music though they really don't. CoD's familiar system is sort of neat, though. Innocent Devils were a neat idea even if the game is too tedious and combat too mindless for it to matter.

I couldn't even bring myself to beat it, it was so plain.

>>717391479 (OP)
Sorry but no

>>717394927

lament of innocence is the best tbqh

>>717395557
That GIF is more entertaining than most of Lament of Innocence outside a few bosses, though letting it loop is almost as repetitive.

somehow the 2 n64 games that people whined about for the last 25 years about ended up being the best 3d castlevanias. i dont know who thought boring god of war where half the map is empty corridors was a good idea.

The PS2 games are way better than a shitty, dumbed down GoW clone.

>>717395648
I like how his ending is him walking out with buckets of candy with Walter waving goodbye.

>>717393660
even lords of shadow 2 is better than curse of darkness

>>717391479 (OP)
2 is better

Not even close. Castlevania 64 is unironically the best 3d Castlevania. It does the best job at replicating the feel and twnsion of Castlevania. The only problem is that it doesn't play well without a good OEM N64 stick. Emuloids will never properly experience it.

Even Lament of Innocence amd Curse of Darkness were better then LoS though.

>>717391479 (OP)
Fat chance, CoD is best 3D castlekino.
>muh corridors
To not like corridors is to not like castlevania
>muh walk speed
You are meant to flip, RETARD

>>717391479 (OP)
Ain't even the best Castlevania in it's on spinoff franchia nigga, LoS2 and Mirror of Fate are better.

>>717399316
I think if castlevania 64 is somehow rebranded as a souls-like it becomes appealing. The challenge is why I liked it before I ever played dark souls

>>717399623
It has good challenge, the bosses are fun, the music is great, and the finale is just insane, there's nothing like it. It's honestly one of my top 64 games, it's so underrated because of a lazy joke avgn review.

Game sucked. QTE at the end of every boss fight that if you fucked up you had to redo the fight.

>>717399316
>Emuloids will never properly experience it
*blocks your path*

>>717399989
Guarantee it doesnt feel the same.

>>717391479 (OP)
Eldenring made castlevania obsolete

>>717400023
>the game is effectively shit for the vast majority of people but its also the best
lol

>>717400182
Being inaccessible doesn't change the facts. It's a great game when played as it was designed.

>>717391479 (OP)
shame they made a shitty souls (blades of fire) clone instead another one of these

>>717400235
>its real in my mind back in the 90s, trust me
I trust you.

>>717400309
Thanks fir your trust, means a lot.

>>717400023
idk n64 control stick is kinda shit, even when it's tight. i think it's fine emulated, i played castlevania 64 and legacy of darkness on both

I don't remember why exactly but I recall absolutely hating the DLC/post game boss of LoS1. The big green knight that had some little girl ghost controlling it.

>>717400354
To clarify I trust you on the game, jury is still out on the controller.

>>717393730
I prefer CV64 to LoD. Cornell's campaign is a lazy rehash, Reinhardt and Carrie's stories are gimped and missing cutscenes. I played them back to back and was genuinely shocked by how much worse LoD felt in comparison.

>>717391479 (OP)
Not even, no one gives 64 a proper shake and it's certainly way fucking better than a shameless God of War clone.
Curse and Lament aren't really great but they have some things going on for them

>>717399623
kys

>>717400412
That knight is a mid game boss tho, the DLC boss is big demon that you chase throughout the level and break his armor bits by bits.

>>717400626
All I remember is that whatever boss I was talking about had a specific weakspot that was a pain in the ass to reach.

>>717400505
I liked the extras it added but I don't really give a shit about 3D castlevania enough to have an opinion on them beyond the fact I only find the 64 games fun to play and find the LoS games to be utterly abhorrent.

>>717400385
The n64 OEM stick has a very high degree of fine control. This matters a lot in certain games like Castlevania 64 where it expects you to be able to make fine adjustments to your character's position and orientation, or F Zero X for example. Less so with that game imo.

>>717395798
No, Lament has incredibly entertaining and melodramatic voice acting, the music is pure fucking kino, and hitting monsters and the sound effects are actually satisfying. Somehow the game is actually more violent than Lords of Shadow and dicking around with sub weapons and spell book combinations is fun. Sure the level design sucks but it's basically a beat em up brawler that's non linear. It's short and there's plenty of fun to be had. Stop misleading anon with your joyless attitude

I went back and tried to play this, and honestly it's a very frustrating experience/game just because of the wonky controls. For a GoW clone, it wasn't nearly as fluid/fun. I remember enjoying it on my first playthrough, but years later? Maybe something changed in me because now I think it's a trash game, at least in terms of gameplay.

>>717400892
Lament of Innocence is interesting. At first it seems very repetetive gameplay wise, but you kinda get in the zone with it and the aesthetic of the game. Hard to describe. I liked plinking the jump and heavy button to do the axe kick instantly om the ground. Its a fun game.

>>717400892
>hitting monsters and the sound effects are actually satisfying
Briefly. There's no real depth or even flow to it, though. LoS1's lack of hit stun is a bizarre choice but there's still more going on. LoS2's combat is a fair bit better than either, whatever its other problems.
>joyless
No. Lament is just a total waste and seems to actually resent the player for wanting to engage with it given all the empty padding.

>>717399316
>The only problem is that it doesn't play well without a good OEM N64 stick.
It doesn't play well with one, either. Even in 1999 people recognized the controls are terrible. I like some of the level design, though.

>>717391479 (OP)
The castle parts from LoS2 are the best 3D Castlevania ever got. That game is interesting because they mixed a genuinely decent game with absolutely atrocious modern day sections and it constantly switches between both

>>717393660
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>>717400575
https://castlevaniamodding.boards.net/thread/773/castlevania-enchanted-curse-darkness-mod

>wonder why there is so much hate for this game on /v/
>check in which consoles wasnt released
>not on nintendo consoles
ah, now it all makes sense

>>717400885
I played fzero gx which is faster, with gamecube's side stick, and again on emulator with 360 and 8bitdo controllers. You can tweak the dead zones, get hall effect sensor sticks that don't degrade, and honestly, I think side stick controller design is fine for fine control. Only one I couldn't get used to is the playstation dual shock layout for those games

>>717402749
Take the penis out of your mouth before talking. It's embarrassing

>>717402887
Faster doesn't mean more precise. Being good at GX is more about stamina and timing (snaking and that sort of thing. X has a lot more funky precise angles you need to grind walls at to lift off the track in certain ways. The games were designed around their controllers.

>>717402427
Agreed. Someone should make a mod that just takes that shit out.

717402945
hit a nerve, tendie?

>>717402546
>not a single new innocent devil

>>717403313
I don't think he could do that with what's available in live editing the game via Cheat Engine. He is planning to come back and redo the entire mod in C+ later on, after he finishes his 2D CoD sequel fangame

>>717402749
I understand the hate for LoS but I draw the line at pretending the PS2 games aren't Igarashi's attempt at translating Ambien to a 3D video game. I'll shit on LoS but I refuse to accept the PS2 games are superior in any way but the music.

>>717403080
64 stick is stiffer, and that makes angle changes HARDER, not easier, because stiffness slows your input down. In Castlevania 64 you have to change your angles a lot with slides and jumps. Newer controllers have better sensors to read your input vectors than n64 controller, and if you use a hall effect one, you can put 0 dead zone and you can literally have instant angle switch. I never had an issue with C64 on them

>>717401896
>There's no real depth or even flow to it,
This isn't actually true once you figure how to cancel animations with the item menu, honestly the fundamentals are way better than Lords of Shadow which is why I compared it to beat em ups

>>717402749
You do realize the PS2 games weren't ported to Nintendo either right?

>>717403373
>2D CoD sequel fangame
I just checked that out, it looks really good.

>>717403373
Probably literally the only fan made Vania game that looks even remotely good.

>>717404520
They're also lousy, to be fair. And the 64 games tend to get the most shit of them all so his point makes no sense anyway.

>>717403373
I cannot imagine enjoying Curse of Darkness that much, but the fangame does look cool.

>>717404737
The Lecarde Chronicles games are more impressive/ambitious as projects but goddamn are they hideous.

>>717391479 (OP)

bump

>>717402749
desu lords of shadow is done but they should still port those games to switch

>>717391479 (OP)
g

>>717391479 (OP)

>>717393539
isn't there a fan rework of the N64 one that fixes a bunch of stuff?

>>717403373
how did people get so good at comiling console games all of sudden, this kind of stuff used to take a decade to even get half assed mods out

>>717411136
Not that I'm aware.

>>717391479 (OP)

>>717391479 (OP)
There's more than one?

Curse of Darkness is more of a grindy dungeon crawling ARPG than a traditional Castlevania, so I understand it isn't popular with the CV audience. Of course it does not hit the same spot the classics did, but if you compare it to something like Dark Cloud and approach it when you're in the mood for it (ie something grindy with tons of collectibles and big numbers going up), it's also got a cool DMC-lite combat system that doesn't make it as boring as those kinds of games.

>>717393767
You know your level design is shit when a room where you press a button to raise some stairs next to it (and do nothing else in it) or one where you have to jump across a gap are your standouts.

>>717394786
Probably the most retarded and objectively false take in human history

>>717402546
Well that looks neat for a replay of CoD. Thanks.

>>717413230
The issue with the game is it's all corridors and your move speed is beyond slow.

>>717393237
It's not even close to trash, the game just has a few weak points.

>>717414226
The combat also sucks because your attacks are too stubby and slow and theres not much tech.
Which is the polar opposite of Lament which they nailed perfectly first try

>>717414226
I honestly thought that the game was just taking the piss at the start where you could walk the other way for ten minutes, only to find a potion.
Turns out that more or less IS the level design.

>>717414150
Lament's level design is pretty fucking barren. It's trash and you know it.

>>717393539
>The N64 games
Why? I do see it the same way you do, can't pinpoint it?

>>717414482
There's also a pointless Gradius Moai statue there at some point lmao

>>717391479 (OP)
The ending is insane, really good stuff, it’s a bit on the generic side at times due to it copying gow a bit, but the scale of the adventure, puzzles, bosses are great and the 50 minute boss fight in the DLC is great too

>>717393767
Because it feels like musou game, it’s boring

>>717414514
In the first few rooms of the house of sacred remains you get puzzle switches, enemy introductions, hidden upper areas, environmental secrets, trap rooms, bowling, and combat.
The entire damn game is that diverse. Youre a 20 IQ shartjeet rapefugee ESL mongoloid if you think Curse of hallways compares to this AT ALL

>>717414713
It appears if you have Lament save data. Youre meant to sell it but CoD has a bafflingly bad shop. Again, another thing Lament did far better

>>717414584
The level design is just more thoughtful. Even the first level (which isn't very good, to be clear) gives you intuitive objectives like opening the gates and varies things by having you jump across broken bridges or hopping down and back up. They control like ass and the camera sucks too much for me to really enjoy them but there's a real attempt at using 3D space to make an adventure game in there. The PS2 games are monotonous junk on that front and are embarrassing compared to some of the B and C list 3D action games of their time or before it. Lament has an occasionally decent room amongst its padding, but Curse is absolute garbage all the way through.

There are worse games but neither game is worth caring about. Lament even manages to have a shittier plot than usual.

>>717415193
Name a so called B list 3D action game with a level on par with Palace of dark waterfalls. Ill wait

>>717391479 (OP)
Castlevania 64 > Lords of Shadow

>>717415615
What's so special about Dark Waterfalls? It's mostly square rooms with monsters and hallways like the rest of the game.

>>717415193
That's true, the levels in castlevania for the n64 are better designed. I like the game a lot, despite wonky graph is and terrible controls.