Thread 717405409

why did it failed so hard?

eternal killed the hype.

>>717405409 (OP)
>Reddit ages
>Why did it fail?
You just explained it.

>>717405449
Eternal sold well, reviewed well, and is well liked on Steam. Not sure why the revisionist history exists on here

>why did it failed
GMS

>>717405409 (OP)
it's a stupid concept that strays too far from the formula
also forced RT meant the performance was shit compared to previous nu-doom games

reminder that this is what the doom subreddit looked used to look like for over a year until doom the dark ages reignited interest in the franchise and more mods had to oust the old SJW mods out.

I am not making this up.

>>717405409 (OP)
They tried too hard.

>>717405570
I think what he's saying is that Eternal was so good that Dark Ages could never possibly live up to it.

>>717405494
No he didn't

>>717405449
>i-it's eternal fault!
cope
eternal created actual hype
reddit ages actually killed it

>>717405409 (OP)
>Decide to go for a new formula but also decide to make it accessible for the lowest common denominator so it feel half baked
>level and encouter design make it worst
>mecha level are the incarnation of "idea on paper, bad in practice".
>must collect ressource/coin to upgrade
>not only it isn't mike gordon must the music isn't design to go hard once combat begin like previous game.

>>717405617
The game was very reddit.

>>717405649
>the music isn't design to go hard once combat begin like previous game.
biggest boner killer ever
everytime you think that this time the drop is happening, but it never does, you get blueballed by the music everytime, and to be honest the game is so piss easy that the combat would never last long enought for the music to actually get crazy

>>717405624
>game is like 3 months old
>already less players in general than on the 5 years old game
jesus fucking christ
how do you fuck up this bad

>>717405624
Eternalchads status: VINDICATED

didnt run on toasters

If they don't announce DLC tomorrow the game and IP is dead dead dead

>>717406138
The worst part is it really doesn't look that much better than Eternal to be honest
They flexed their engine by making huge open maps, but that's it really (and those open maps are actually quite fucking boring)
I have a 9070xt and I can run the game on 4k 60fps, yet the game still doesn't look crisp and sharp, it always have that grainy look even with FSR off, don't know if it's because of the RT lightning
Meanwhile both 2016 and Eternal are crystal clear on 4k

>>717406172
Problem is the DLC won't fix the boring ass combat
They can cram as much enemies on screen as possible, it still won't make the combat challenging or even interesting enough
Combat loop has the worst flow out of the whole nu-DOOM trilogy
And to be honest the lack of actual Glory Kills is a baffling choice
They said they remove them to not break the pace and slow down the action, yet the parry has a mandatory slowmo each time, and switching your weapon during a fight might take longer than a fucking glory kill in prior games
This game is an actual hot mess

>>717405624
This kills the Eternal haters

>>717405409 (OP)
You know what DOOM needs? On rails turret sections from a 2007 FPS, insultingly easy, boring and mindless mech sections, and also third person simon says dragon combat sections
Now that's an actual RETURN TO FORM™

>>717405409 (OP)
>why did it failed
Saaar

>>717405409 (OP)
This game released like a wet fart
It had maybe one week of traction and then it was done.
Pathetic, this is what you get for pandering to the masses
They should have doubled down on Eternal's complexity just to spite the whiny faggots

>>717405409 (OP)
It's the least replayable of the nu-DOOM games honestly
I have no desire whatsoever to go back to this game and endure the painfully huge levels, and also the gimmick vehicle levels

hey guys, this is my doom oc, sentinel princess thira
she's super duper strong and possessed by an ancient sentinel god
she can conjure ethereal blue tentacles and open hell portals with her sword, and her eyes and scars also shine blue
oh and btw, she's also stronger than the doomguy
hope you like it :D

>>717405649
encounter design is pure trash
fodder enemies might as well not exist
one shield throw and you kill 20 of them
the fodder in this game is 100% loot pinatas and nothing else
in doom 2016 and eternal imps and possessed soldiers could actually be threatening on highest difficulty
this game's combat is nothing but a succession of 1v1 fights, and it gets old so so fast

1000GTX series users couldn't play it.

>>717405409 (OP)
Putting aside the quality of the actual game for a moment

>debuted on Gamepass
>$80
>forced raytracing, meaning you're outright unable to play it if you don't have a somewhat modern GPU or a modern console

>>717408625
>somewhat modern
RTX2000 series is 7 years old, which can play this game, and I wouldn't consider those modern.

>>717407485
And shes voiced by Debra

>>717405409 (OP)
>RTX only game

I wonder why...

>>717409361
>devs update the game
>an optional 50gb DLC to add baked lighting to the entirety of the game was added for a no-RT mode
>people with RT cards download it anyways after realizing it looks 90% the same, but with double the framerate

I miss him so much
Why do shitters always have to ruin the fun for us and why do devs always listen to them without fault?

>>717405409 (OP)
Esl retard

>>717410114
benchod

I liked it more than Eternal (spastic nigger gameplay for ADHD zoomers), but a bit less than 2016

>>717410193
>spastic nigger gameplay for ADHD zoomers
It's okay to be bad at video games

RTX just neds to fuck off.

>>717409315
5.35% of steam users are still on GTX 1000 series. Add up people on 1600 series, 900 series, pre-6000 AMD, it should be around 10% of all users and that's not counting igpu users or people with something like 2050 or 2060 that is technically compatible but really too slow.
Not the only factor but certainly a factor.
There are plenty of people who don't even want to play FPS games at 60 fps anymore. For me I want 90+ or I might play it after my next upgrade.

>>717410294
Need to remind the user not to miss all their shots too. Does wonders for dps and ammo efficiency.

>>717410726
It's dumb that we went from Doom Eternal holding 60fps+ on an old 1060 at 1080p native, with near all settings maxed out, to the next game requiring a 3080 or better to do the same with DLSS, despite not looking visually that much better.

>>717405409 (OP)
Why do I only ever notice mangled English like this in the most obnoxious, low IQ shitposts? Never once have I seen a poster as aggressively ESL as you talking about enjoying a game.

>achieve near perfect adrenaline addictive gameplay formula
>throw it all away because some people couldn't get handle it

>>717405449
I find it hilarious how /v/edditors will never get over the fact that they utterly failed to TORtanic Eternal.
Half a decade later and still seething about it.
You'll be in your 40s and still crying about it.

>>717410082
>play mod
>two blue marauders with respawning blood maykers around
>they have completely removed his green eye shoot me window
>have to shoow sticky grenades and missiles next to them while running and sniping the maykers
FUCK YEAH

>>717411862
Because /v/ nowadays is home to a swarm of brown untermensch who come here because, due to their low IQ, they feel excluded elsewhere.
It's also why, not only 4chan spends so much time crying about not being able to get laid with women, but if you read between lines you'll notice they exclusively complain that women don't like brown manlets.

>>717407485
>we learn nothing about her
>she has magic powers
>we save her ... she does nothing
>she dies between games

what in the FUCK was the point of this character?
was the plot written by a retard?

>>717405409 (OP)
Because they abandoned what made Eternal the best shooter of the 8th gen
Instead of doubling down on speed and going for an overwhelming amount of enemies, they slowed it down.
Why?

What's ironic, and why I think /v/ isnt having meltdowns over this game like it did with Eternal, its because this is the kind of slow, turbo casual crap that the gacha and VN slurpers of /v/ can play, and a game that appeals to /v/ utterly failed, while Eternal, the one /v/ was desperate to see flop, sold like mad.

Never pander to casuals and shitskins, those fags only play crap like Palworld, Danganronpa and feminine slop like Deltarune.

>>717412225
I mean, Metal Gear Solid and Undertale were written by actual retards and this place worships them.

>>717405409 (OP)
SAAR TO THE FAILED OF DOOMING HARD SAAR DO NOT REDEEM

>>717405592
still looks like that kind of, has couple of fags that managed to become mods on reddit and speedrun.com.

https://www.youtube.com/@Raitro_
https://www.youtube.com/@KevKild

you can tell they're repressed as shit, classic fat balding manchild type, didnt get any and became fag

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1754473990797794.mp4

RETURN. TO. FORM.

>>717405409 (OP)
>80€ game
not buying that

>>717412748
Here's that non-ADHD gameplay /v/ was begging for.

>>717412006
He's likely to be very near his 40s if not already in them since most people crying about eternal are obese gamer dads with zero reflexes left in them and just wanted to super shotgun the entire game.
They should just shut the fuck up and go back to diablo 4 a game which was specifically made to cater to "gamer dads".

>>717413034
You know what? The Robocop game and now its standalone/sequel did a much better job of selling a shooter centered around the idea of being a "slow, walking tank"
In Robocop you are fucking slow but you also tank so much damage, that is satisfying
The whole "stand and fight" mantra in Dark Ages however, is complete fucking bullshit, you have to move as much as in DOOM 2016, and the sprint speed is comically fast to counter the huge, boring levels
Hugo ran out of idea, the hack

>>717405409 (OP)
2016 fags cried so much over eternal that they over corrected and made the worst game ever

>>717412748
what were they thinking?
were they thinking?

>>717405409 (OP)
mOGGED by indie dev

>>717413824
the game isn't remotely as fun as doom 2016
like i'm a huge eternal fan but i can still have loads of fun playing 2016
dark ages is just meh

>>717405409 (OP)
it didn't fail! it had tens of players and hundreds of social media impressions.

>>717414371
this
phil told me doom dark ages had 3 million players on goypass (aka launching the game for 15 minutes and then never playing it again)

>>717414132
they were thinking about the thousands of soigaping redditors
>OH MY SCIENCE, MECHA CYBORG DRAGON, FUCK YEAH METAL! xD

>Forced vehicle and turret sections after we already learned over 10 years ago that this shit is fucking terrible every single time
>You still have to parry the big green with the dragon or you literally are not allowed to progress
>Half the guns are a medium fire rate clunky automatic gun of some kind
>Game plays like total fucking dogshit in general by default
>Even more unplayable if you don't constantly parry the big green
>Despite this it's still one of the easiest shooters ever made if you just constantly parry and punch
>Story is the gayest most childish faggoty faggot gay homo retard FAGGOT GAY story ever that revolves around everyone but Doomguy as he is yanked around like a slave and defeated constantly so their epic doom slaya lore is all bullshit anyway
>Biggest complaint all Doom fans have of the lazy arena-spam level design has still been ignored
>Now they just explicitly guide you to all the secrets too
>No side content at all even if you like this smelly bucket of diarrhea

It's genuinely one of the worst games I have ever played and it makes no fucking sense to me at all that this is the same team that made Doom Eternal.
I have to meet anyone that likes it who isn't a tasteless child on the internet.

>>717405409 (OP)
Just finished it with a controller. It's way too easy after a certain point, especially after your first shield upgrade even on 150 percent speed nightmare. That's the main problem. If you've finished Eternal's DLC1 atleast, you will be bored out of your fucking mind. The game is clearly made for controllers with the fodder clearing shield throw, and lack of flanking AI, and parries that also clear fodder. The pacing and content of the game after level 17 is also abysmal - no new enemy types, only 2 real bosses (old one is a joke, witch + ahzrak is literally filler).

Though the semi open world areas are a kinda cool idea and the terrain and obstacles clearly being meant to be used during fights is nice... it wears thing after the 5th time. Also the checkpoints are actually horribly placed most of the time.

Finally, the story is much worse than Eternal's, shit just happens choppily with no transitions, like how the fuck does Ahzrak escape from doomslayer after you fight him the first time? He was completely beaten to a pulp then just disappears without even a scene depicting it.

I'd say this game is worth playing on a discount, simply because it's unique compared to the previous games, but it's basically a 7/10 game on a controller and a 6 or 5/10 if you're an Eternal lover who uses mouse keyboard.

>>717414535
weapon balance is horrible. You never want to use the ravager weapons because they don't fire immediately. Super shotgun invalidates almost every weapon at short/medium range. AOE gun options are irrelevant because your parries and shield throws instantly deletes fodder from the screen anyway.

I also found it shocking that it wasn't a meme that 30 percent of the game was dragon/robot segments. Holy shit. The person who put forced QTE vehicle segments in must have been fucking the spic director or something, this is actually the lowest point the Doom franchise has gone in these vehicle segments.

>>717414759
>Finally, the story is much worse than Eternal's, shit just happens choppily with no transitions,
I was amazed when I realized that Eternal's story, while batshit insane, was still more cohesive and engaging
All this marketing talk about focusing more on story for Dark Ages, to serve us the most disjointed and pointless story I've ever seen in a game like this
Funniest part was at the end of the Ancestral Forge mission, you activate the shit with Thira, mission ends after testing your shield rune
Then it cuts to black, and now suddenly Doomguy barges in Hell with no prior setup, no information letting you know Doomguy needs to get to hell and why he needs to do so
In Eternal, no matter how convoluted story beats were, the game ALWAYS gave you context about why you need to go there next
Usually VEGA, Sammy Hayden or even the ARC Intern in the DLC gave you a general context, you never felt lost in the story

>>717405409 (OP)
>did it failed
Hello Ranjeet!

>>717415135
Good morning sir

>>717413486
I think stand and fight was just a catchphrase and they didn't actually want their game to be as slow and shitty as the robocop shovelware game.

>>717410359
Works on my machine

>>717405591
I get 180fps on my 5070

Forced raytracing killing technical performance on weaker devices.
Anti-fun gameplay gimmicks/straying from Doom gameplay because the devs thought it would be funner that way.
Turning DOOMguy in to a cape comicbook hero instead of just a faceless space marine with a gun who refused to die easy.

>>717405409 (OP)
High requirements
High price tag
Singleplayer only
Not very much depth to the gameplay

turning doom into a fantasy game was a bad idea

>>717417246
It works on mine as well retard, doesn't mean I like it.

The music is abysmal dogshit
Completely unremarkable, doesn't make you want to kill everything in your sight

>>717405409 (OP)
This game is what happens when you're desperate to please everyone, especially the casual low-iq retards with arthritis in their hands
The result is a middling experience, with a bunch of tacked on gimmicks and none of the flair or even polish of the 2 previous games
Dark Ages has no legs and the game will have no long lasting impact, contrary to 2016 and Eternal which were massive success all things considerend
Like both 2016 and Eternal spawned funny memes for instance, it stayed in people's minds for a long time and they still do to this day.
I have yet to see anything like that for Dark Ages, the game reeks of AAA design by comittee, it's generic, uninspired, bland

>>717412225
>was the plot written by a retard?
It's time to admit that Hugo is just straight up not a good writer.

>>717405449
People wanted more Eternal, not a downgrade with a girlboss and shitty gimmick levels.

>>717407485
That looks so terrible.

>>717410082
This was the beginning of the end.

>>717405409 (OP)
The art direction / style doesn't work. I just looks like a more drab version of the previous 2 games

>>717421491
>people wanted more eternal
retards who like to watch movies every 5 seconds did
everyone who wasn't brain dead, didn't

>>717412104
The fuck are you doing on 4chan?

>>717412748
Jesus Christ

>>717421738
>retards who like to watch movies every 5 seconds did
this, so much THIS
so much better having to endure a slow mo effect everytime you parry or hit a demon with a melee attack, or even having to wait 3 seconds when you just want to change weapon
truly a genre defining FPS game

>>717421738
Playing Dark Ages makes you miss glory kills. It’s so boring without being able to rip demons apart with your hands.

>>717412748
This is objectively the worst "DOOM" game along with "DOOM" 3
Funny how when they hit their third game, it always goes to shit lmao
Change for the sake of change, when Eternal already had the perfect formula down
All of that because of their stupid marketing mantra "We don't make the same game twice"

Eternal won

>>717420651
Why does DOOM even need writing?
Seriously who gives a fuck about the discount Warhammer lore they keep trying to shove down our throats?

>>717422082
NOOOOOOOOOO IT'S TOO FAST AND THERE'S TOO MUCH JUMPING AND SWITCHING AND PLAYING THE GAME I'M GOING INSANE HELP MEEEEEE WHERE IS MY FUCKING AMMO

>>717422117
Because it's expected to be there duh, learn to read dumbfuck

>>717422278
Expected to be there =/= hours of cutscenes and a lore codex.

>>717422565
You can skip all cutscenes and no one's putting a gun to your head forcing you to read all of the codex
It's optional, and it's expected to be there

>>717410082
this retarded jobber was literally red light green light. i was shocked to learn this is what stunlocked the internet, and this is what eternal twistitbopit fags called high octane gameplay.

>>717422683
>Y-You can just ignore it!
Cool but they still wasted time and money making these things that could have been better spent elsewhere.

Imagine defending nuDOOM’s writing kek

>>717422082
Feels good to be an Eternalchad
Eternal haters have been real quiet since Dark Ages came out and everyone realized it was mid and boring as fuck
Even Dark Ages glazers are coping real hard about the game's massive and obvious flaws, with shit arguments such as "But it's le different, bravo Hugo! Therefore you can't le compare it to Eternal!"

>>717422117
>quoting carmack
hes a retarded that ran ID into the ground since he couldnt design a game to save his life
what happens when a programmers ego gets so inflated he thinks he is a game designer

games and interactive medium, where gameplay and storytelling is kind, wirting even for fps games is very important
huge cant write for shit, and is choking the series on his retarded lore and decisions

>>717418821
Still don't get why they don't just make Quake for that. It's not like it's a complete unknown IP or something.

>>717424683
combination of factors. quake community gatekeeps harder. making quake would require them to include a mp component and mp is not modern id's strength. also quake is a smaller brand than doom

>>717424683
Because this was all set up over the past decade. Did you even play the last two games?

>>717422027
doom 3 is faaar better

>>717405449
Yup. Nobody wanted to buy eternal 2. They wanted 2016 2 and never got it.

>>717425881
I wanted Eternal 2.

>>717405592
redditors being weird creepy retarded fags is just normal on that website. even the NFL subreddits and other sports subreddits are just weird ass homo tranny shit.

>>717405624
1. Steamcharts posting should be bannable
2. Anyone who isn't retarded knows that most people who wanted to play Dark Ages played via Game Pass, because why would you pay $70 for a 10 hour game instead of renting it for $10/mo or whatever Game Pass costs
3. Dark Ages looks like absolute dogshit and I have zero interest in playing it
4. Eternal is one of the best FPS games ever made
Will this set of statements make the /v/irgin explode? Tune in next time to find out!

>>717422683
i can just ignore the game

>>717426075
>1.
Seethe about it fucktard
>2.
>Goypass cope
Do we really have to go through this again?
Loads of games also released day one on Goypass and still had massively more success compared to the wet fart called DOOM The Dark Ages
>3.
True
>4.
Also true

>>717426657
>haha jew meme
Enjoy your headcanon where people pay $70 for games that they know they will complete in one or two sittings instead of paying much less money to rent it. It's such a nonsensical and retarded position to take and I'm not going to engage with it further.

>>717405409 (OP)
They're trying too fucking hard man.
>Erm let the DOOM slayer ride a Dragon
>What if it was Medieval times and he had a mace
>Woah cool buzzsaw shield
>Um let kill him in a cutscene, but he is tooo angry to due so he comes back as a zombie
>Lets include fucking cthullu
>What if we did mech sections
Like holy shit man slow down. I know they gotta come up with new shit but stick to demons what the fuck are they doing. He's Doom guy. He fights demons.
Not angels, not gods, not eldritch beast.
They completely lost the fucking plot.

>>717405409 (OP)
>turn the game into a bullet hell
>but also nerf the strafe speed
LMAO

>>717427050
STAND AND FIGHT

>>717420636
I find it pretty telling that whenever you make a DOOM Dark Ages thread, it struggles to even reach 100 posts
The game is really bland and uninteresting overall
Meanwhile if you make an Eternal thread, it will reach bump limit in a few hours, because the game is divisive in a good way, even more so when the game was only a few months old

>>717426881
>40 hour campaign vs 10 hour campaign
>new dev studio vs mega corporation
>brand new IP vs beating a 30 year old dead horse
try harder

>>717427738
Holy cope
You failed Hugo, your parryslop is abysmal dogshit

>>717427149
>baron has a pussy on his head now
oh man... this is cosmically horrifying

>>717428092
tranny wound actually

>>717405687
The fuck does that even mean?

>>717414159
>early access
>game

lol

>>717405409 (OP)
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