>Games are all about flying tiny fighters to take down capital ships but never the opposite
Why is it like this?

>>717408518 (OP)
Play Cosmoteer

>>717408518 (OP)
You want a game about point defense? Literally every turret section in any videogame.

>>717408518 (OP)
Empire at War?

>>717408518 (OP)
Capships aren't maneuverable. They're designed to defend themselves a little, but hunting smaller ships is pointless, when they have fighter bays full of said smaller ships to fight for them.
Even in Freespace 2, capships had beam cannons (usually one for other capships, and one weaker one for defense), but the bulk of the work was done by fighters and bombers.

>>717408518 (OP)
>but never the opposite
>the opposite
You mean flying a fleet of giant capital ships to take down a single tiny flying fighter?

shiplets when will they ever learn?

>>717408880
Why not? 30 guys with guns will rob an old man in a wheelchair.

>>717409017
>when your flagship is a massive flying gun covered in more guns

The first Rebel Galaxy sort of scratches that itch

>>717409303
based ragnarov chad

>>717408518 (OP)
Highfleet but it's airships not starships

>>717408518 (OP)
because star wars is WW2 in space but one side completly ignores that carriers beat everything else until it loses

>>717409804
every other class of ship is a massive useless jobber to starfighters in video games.

>>717409804
>WWII in space
I'll mever understand the retards who limit Star Wars just to that.
Some aesthetic shit is based on WWII imagery, but that's it.
What do these people think Empire Strikes Back is based on?
When were the allies forced to retreat from Europe?
Fucking morons.

>>717408518 (OP)
Easier to convey a story/character when it's just the one guy in his starship with either a co-pilot or AI.
Harder to do when there's a crew of thousands and your decisions may take hours to actually materialize on the battlefield.
Why don't you play EVE Online, OP?

wodopom

>>717408518 (OP)
>why no game where single fucking player runs a giant capital ship that requires crew of dozens for basic shit
Do you have more than 3 brain cells alive?
If you want bigger ship try I-war.

>>717409472
Solaris my BAE.

>>717409472
Sorceror* sorceror is best girl.

>>717408876
You'd think space warfare theory would eventually evolve ship design past that though. I mean look at that fucking star destroyer. Planetside sure, make a ship like that. But why in the fuck would you make such a long, one-directional-propulsion vessel for zero-g battle operations. It feels retarded.
Only fucking thing it seems to do right is having guns everywhere. Fuckers got viewscreens, and they still expose the command center to kamikazes.

>>717412454
They're designed for orbital bombardment. A few ships like that would make short work of any unshielded bases, and you send special operators in to take out shields.

>>717409472
I couldn't figure out if this game actually had Z-axis movement or not. It felt like most battles was just you circlestrafing with broadsides because you couldn't go above or below a target.

>>717408518 (OP)

I want a Star Wars game based on the novel Death Troopers where Han and Chewie encounter a derelict Star Destroyer filled with zombies and mutated abominations!!!FACT!!!

>>717408518 (OP)
Elite Dangerous

>>717408518 (OP)
Play X4. You can pilot gigantic ships that can house a hundred fighters.
That being said, they're slow and generally just not as fun to pilot as the medium sized ones.

>>717415090
kys retard

Between The Stars.

>>717415223
>kys retard

Does the phrase "suck my cock and eat my asshole" hold any meaning for you outside of the men in your non-forking family tree?!?FACT!!!

elite: dangerous
but they fucked that one up by making controls more complex and MS flight sim like than was necessary AND by insisting on a purely grind based crafting system.

it couldve been so great, but they fucked it up

>>717408518 (OP)
Play Star Valor

>>717408518 (OP)
>but never the opposite
That's what corvettes are for.

>>717409303
why does the thumbnail looks like an angry moon firing its lazor

WHAT IS IT, GENERAL?

>>717416037
https://youtu.be/PpdTHDQu6o4

>>717408518 (OP)
your right.

but also

change aiirbalde shump

homeworld to soem extent
carriers and battleships in star craft

>>717408518 (OP)
Why does nobody in star wars build missile ships and just spam missiles?
If PD can't stop some fighters it sure as hell won't stop a swarm of missiles

>>717416317
Missiles are not as fast as lasers and TURBOLASERS. Well, they do have torpedoes I guess in SW. Can't remember if they actually have missiles for space warfare.

>>717416317
>>717416375
Empire at War has missile ships.

>>717416317
point defense tears your missiles to shreds along with any fighter swarm that gets close

>>717408518 (OP)
For a while now I’ve really wanted to play a space sim game where you manage a big capital ship. Something along the lines of FTL and elite dangerous combined I guess. Not a whole fleet just one big ship with crew management, survival, missions and big cannons firing.

>>717416317
Because of Force fuckery you can't build a machine more complex than a toaster without risking it becoming sapient. Missiles exist but they're short ranged and dumb as rocks thanks to that.

>>717408518 (OP)
thought this is Nightreign thread for a sec

>>717410690
>When were the allies forced to retreat from Europe?
Dunkirk anon

>>717408518 (OP)
Play Starcom Nexus. You only have one ship and fight a variety of enemies, including carriers (and some of them even use swarms of kamikaze drones).

>>717408518 (OP)
>>717409324
>>717417713

I came in here to post that I also thought OP's pic was a titanite shard/smithing stone.

>>717408518 (OP)
>World of Warships but in space

I'd play it

>>717410690
>When were the allies forced to retreat from Europe?
Dunkirk

>>717416317
rule of cool
a fleet of star destroyers getting smoked as soon as they leave hyperspace because their opponents had good intelligence and rkv's isnt as visually interesting as a space battle with laser cannons

>>717418151
elite dangerous

>>717416317
Does George Lucas really look like a military strategist?

>>717418151
Fractured Space (RIP)

just wait for star citizen to come out
haha
any day now...
haha...

For me? Orbital mechanics and realistic ships (satellites with guns)

Sir, we’ve lost contact with our bridge deflector shields!

>>717408518 (OP)
Because modern battle doctrine for the last 1200 or so years has always been "the biggest ship always has the most armament, thus always wins" with very few exceptions beyond surgical and/or stealth strikes, and up until WW2, was still the prevailing doctrine until the last 80 years or so. Nowadays you can have a single cruise missile take out a behemoth like an aircraft carrier fairly easily (with regards to the previous millennia) with little risk beyond retaliation or interception.

So now Sci-fi has accepted that even the largest of ships can have a catastrophic weakness to portray that, which was evident in A New Hope, and has continued onwards to this day.

This is condensing 1300 years of battles/skirmishes/etc into a few short sentences, but there ya go. Obviously there are gaps and flaws in this post, but the overarching point remains the same: this doctrine is new and is reflected in media.

>>717421289
I can't wait for future scifi to be all about small drone warfare!

I want this too. I think Homeworld is the only game where you can command both fighters, mid-sized vessels and fuckhuge capital ships.

I liked the way Rebel Galaxy did it, you're basically a space truck so the little bitch fighters zip around you but you're mostly doing broadsides

>>717408518 (OP)
>>717416037
These things must have entire train networks or something

Star Ruler let you make arbitrarily large ships IIRC

>>717409472
>still is basically the only sci fi game where you fly a capital ship from corvettes to dreadnoughts
Why the fuck did they go to the boring formula of flying some crappy fighter as a wine aunt in the sequel.
There's a million and one games where you just pilot rinky ding fighter ships, RG1 is still the only game where I can actually fly a big ship with lots of guns around without it being some sort of spreadsheet autism simulator.

>>717408518 (OP)
It's only 2000$ and limited inventory goyim!

>>717408518 (OP)
Nexus: the Jupiter incident
Capital command (maybe)

>>717416317
Because it's supposed to be ww2/vietnam in space, missiles are for queers

>>717409472
I simply had to stop playing this game because of the ear-raping redneck music

>>717408518 (OP)
All i can see here is a smithing stone.

There's always BFG

I think Star Wars is lame.

>>717409472
problem is that by the time you are flying that big ship the game becomes unplayable even on normal difficulty because of bullshit unwinnable ambushes
>accept any quest
>get forcibly pulled out of hyperspace
>perfect ring of like 30 red devils appear around ship just far enough so you can't boost out in any direction and will get gangbanged no matter what
>component damage simulation sounds cool on the surface but it just means if you start losing you cant ever recover because all the damage makes you massively weaker

>>717408518 (OP)
Space gaems attmpt the naval doctrine but streamlined since everything can move in 3D so just takes a mobility to strategy hierarchy.
Bomber > Fighter > Intercepter > Corvette > Frigate > Battleship > Carrier

Bigger means slower and more strategic- meaning battle revolves around it

>>717417626
star trek online is great for this, besides the boring ground combat and some mild attempts to push mtx on you

>>717422402
Some just keep the plane flat and let the 3D be entirely cosmetic, like >>717422282 and that one Star Wars game

>>717422376
Sorry to say this anon but you must be fucking retarded

>>717408518 (OP)
Dreadnought seemed insanely promising then it was dogshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvbgqrPrjkQ
https://youtu.be/hhfEX48QJBs?t=88

>>717416317
because the people who write star wars plots would have to be smart and do actual research into how people would develop missiles and counter missile tech

read the honorverse novels, it literally describes how nations in space constantly invent new ways to spam or counter missiles

>>717422692
elaborate

>>717422783
Well it's mostly that RG isn't hard at all, just do another job and put on some more guns if you're having trouble. Fighters especially shouldn't be able to do jack shit to you before you shoot them down

Anons, why should they Outer Rim rise again?

>>717412454
Star Wars is too stupid for science fiction considerations.
>>717412810
>they’re designed for something never shown in the films
Ok

>>717408518 (OP)
>>Games are all about flying tiny fighters to take down capital ships but never the opposite
America asserting the superiority of carrier tactics against Japanese battleships

so what games have we got that let you control large ships that don't use retard starfighter controls? i don't give a fuck if you think the doctrines or concept is unrealistic, big fuckers in space trading hits never get old, bonus points for point-defense shooting in every direction like a schizo trying to silence the voices

the ones I personally know of at least

>battlefleet gothic 1&2
>empire at war (seems like modding scene is still alive)
>nexus: the jupiter incident
>that one battlestar galactica turn-based game
>rebel galaxy
>x series (never played it but seems to fit the bill)
>sins of a solar empire (mods go crazy)

honourable mentions
>star trek online (WASD controls but easily supports 360 firing arcs)
>EVE online

Ship to ship combat is pointless in space. Just throw something with a decent weight at...anything and it will die.

>>717423972
What if they move out of the way?

>>717423972
>ship to ship combat is useless because you can just throw a projectile
.........what do you think ship weapons do?

>>717424127
Throwing rocks is to warfare as boiling water is to energy generation

What games let you build your very own ships? Or at least very heavily customize them?
I would love a game like X4 or Starsector where you get to build a lot of AI controlled ships that would let you design them all from ground up.

>>717408518 (OP)
There's a vr strategy game where you direct your units from the bridge of your ship. A sequel got announced not long ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4y5kpPoGYs

>>717424503
Reassembly if you're fine with 2D top down pixelshit

>>717424602
the stuff you can build there doesn't look very visually appealing in the trailer, but I'll give it a shot, thanks

>>717424862
Yeah you can basically decide how much you wanna customize your ship, nothing is stopping you from just making a big square with guns

>Slow and strategic instead of fast and tactical, meaning visceral individualist approaches to combat and exploration don't work outside of a multiplayer game where someone else is in charge of the big boy
>Involves sending other ships and squads and crewmembers around to do things, separating you from the action and making the whole thing effectively only possible in an RTS or sandbox meme games unless you vastly limit the gameplay possibilities
It's really not surprising devs choose to avoid it

>>717425550
zoom zoom

>>717424503
avorion, but you probably knew that already since you posted the pic

>>717425657
Yeah. I like the ship building there, has deceptively large amounts of depth. But everything else about the game, from the flight model, the diplomacy and faction interactions to everything related to your own stations and fleets is quite basic and mediocre.

>>717425642
There's a reason Flagship was in dev hell for so long that it got cancelled and made the devs start just pumping out small scale slop, anon

>>717421901
I didn't mind the ambient music, it's just some guitar twangs, whatever, but it became really grating very soon that the combat music is just three painfully generic buttrock tracks on repeat. It takes fucking talent to make your game off-putting with music alone.

>>717426103
>>717421901
You could actually replace the in-game music with your own music. I put Godzilla's theme for battle music.

>>717426103
hahahahahahaha fucking faggot, the OST is the best part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_xo0W3jaCg

>>717424503
Starcom

>>717426194
Also, Ring Runner, even has workshop support for pre-built ships

>>717426185
Royalty free ahh music

Literally Starsector.

>>717427049
shit game

>>717427091
fuck you