Let's be honest. It was too deep for the average MGS fan.

reminder that both fifty shades of gray and lolita are tragic stories about abuse
and that nobody who read them care about its actual theme
they just took what they wanted from those books

this is called death of the author, and autistic people like OP are unable to comprehend this concept that goes beyond their IQ

>>717530761
Don't bully the low IQ faggot, anon.

>>717530649 (OP)
It's not deep in the slightest. A snake creates venom. Wooooooah.

The game's issue is that it was butchered.

Ground Zeros was clearly the actual prologue, but was split off and sold standalone. Survive was clearly an online component that should have been in V, but was split off and sold standalone. Then you have V, which feels incomplete; you have to retread missions, no real conclusion, all the content that got cut, easter eggs that'll never unlock, etc.

>>717530761
fifty shades of gray was made by a woman so there isn't subtly to it just a girl's shitty desire of wanting to be with a rich guy because he's rich and it was a twilight fanfic at one point

>>717530649 (OP)
>It was too deep
That's what she said

>>717531724
she never said that

>>717531983
you'd only know if you were watching

>>717531983
lmao check out this dicklet

>too deep for the average MGS fan
>entire series is notorious for overly convoluted plot points
Dubious

>>717531156
This. The game is half baked and no matter how fanboys try to spin the incomplete state as intentional it's a shit game that Konami pushed out to try and recover the money kojima wasted

>>717530649 (OP)
deep isn't the right word, i would say esoteric, Lynchian. MGS fans are used to every single possible plot point being overexplained at least 2 or 3 times so the fact that so much of this game is vague or straight up uncomfirmed and requires knowledge of all the previous games and their themes to piece together probably doesn't sit well with the oldheads.

>>717532306
perhaps even kafkaesque

>>717532327
i agree, shallow and pedantic

>>717532306
the phantom pain always gave me more cronenberg vibes than lynch. death stranding feels more lynch.

>>717532203
Like the opening mission of V is phenominal. But it's really the only "MGS" thing about the game. It's a great stealth/action section. But the rest of the game? Large open desert with a small shanty base.. That you'll have to go to 3 or 4 times.

And the fucking credits after every. fucking, mission. My God.

V, if Kojima's vision had been completed, would have probably been an amazing game. But GZ and Survive being split out to recoup costs, then the whole falling out, and then releasing V in an unfinished state was just the nail in the coffin for the game. Lots of great ideas and fun lore elements, amazing gameplay, great engine, but it being unfinished is what killed the appeal.

>>717532451
well when i say Lynch i really mean stuff like Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive and The Return where there's so much shit that isn't explained in those, a lot of it is about that empty space between you and the artistic medium and the things that your mind creates as you play and think about the story and characters. the point of Mulholland Drive is the puzzle, it's not meant to be explained, it's just this weird thing that your brain thinks about and tries to solve, that experience IS Mulholland Drive as much as that feeling of loss, emptiness and trying to get more is The Phantom Pain.

>>717530649 (OP)
Reminder: "invisible" by duran duran came out 6 years AFTER the phantom pain. The song is NOT part of the ost for mgsv

>>717530761
>Death of the author
t.has never actually read Roland Barthes. Ironic.

>>717532608
just goes to show what a tremendous impact the game had despite all the complainers who were mad that the big reveal wasn't that Venom Snake was [character from previous game]

>>717532608
stop gaslighting me

>>717532581
i disagree. while there are large parts of unexplained narrative to TPP, the commentary the piece makes is still very much there. it isn't some puzzle that is indecipherable nor is the entire point of the thing to dwell on the puzzle and keep you lost in the maze of meaning. which is why it is more cronenberg - the audience learns just enough to piece together the message of the work while there are enough loose ends to keep them wondering about the piece long after.

>>717532695
the whole point of Venom is that he's (you) so having his own identity would make no sense for the story

>>717532059
the other games in the series beat you too much over the head with the plot

>>717530649 (OP)
and the funnies part is the average body of water in the game represents its depth.

>>717535037
fox engine... home

>>717530761
>Nobody cares about Lolita themes
Confirmed brainlet

>>717535129
For me, it's Luminous

>>717530649 (OP)
Lets be honest
Can i play this without any prior knowledge of the msg saga?

>>717535762
No, it requires context from the entire series

hmm...
I should reinstall mgsv...

>>717535813
Fuck i dont want to play other 16 games

>>717535207
if they did the book would not have any stigma

>>717536027
You can still enjoy the game but it will be an even bigger fever dream than it already is

>>717535762
yes and no. the plot filters even people with the context of the rest of the series. that being said, you can enjoy it just as a game with very good gameplay. just ignore the plot, start from mgs1 afterwards if you get intrigued enough by what narrative tidbits you are given.

>>717536027
You can play any game without the context of the previous games. But you won't be getting the intended experience out of it.

MGSV's story is just a rehash of MGS2's but instead of the protagonist breaking free from the brainwashing they succumb to it instead, it's really not that deep.

>>717530761
>this is called death of the author
Oh yeah, the thing midwits resort to when they don't like something

>>717535762
honestly i think it's better than way

>>717536410
sorry I didn't read your wall of text bro

>>717530649 (OP)
Skullfuck was a shit villain and doing the same shit over and over in the same area with credits intro spoiling everything each time got old. Shame the best gameplay in the series was wasted on this game.

>>717536398
>implying raiden broke free of his brainwashing
he partially does, but only in the interim between 2 and 4. there is no point in mgs2 where raiden wrestles control away from his handlers. raiden completes his programming by killing solidus, that was all part of it. the final monologue with snake is snake trying to tell him to break free, not that raiden was free yet.

>>717535762
>Can i play this without any prior knowledge of the msg saga?
yes, I played 1 and 2 years ago but forgot everything and enjoyed 5

>>717537000
lol the monologue is about how (You) the player are a gay retard, which is why Kojima made Raiden a gay faggot the burbs up semen in MGS4

>>717537143
good talk, bud.

>>717533124
>it isn't some puzzle that is indecipherable nor is the entire point of the thing to dwell on the puzzle and keep you lost in the maze of meaning
i didn't say it was indecipherable, it absolutely is solvable, but it's still meant to invoke a very particular emotion and thought pattern and that's the core of the experience, the feeling Venom has of being lost in his own identity and the endless mundanity of war.

/v/ acts so above this game but if you ask anyone what it's about they can barely articulate the surface level plot

>played through all mgs games again
>having a great time
>get to ground zeroes
>listening to all chicos tapes again
>all that implied torture and sexual abuse
They'll never have the balls to do that again.

>>717540227
they won't do it because journos are too sensitive and rather than go "this is just like abu ghraib!" they went "errm actually it is problematic to depict sexual abuse of POWs." journos once again proving that they are bootlicking propagandist scum existing only to cover for the MIC and the society that they claim to oppose.

The fact people managed to convince themselves the game coming out and being a piece of crap is a completely intentional move so that you can feel the phantom pain is a level of Stockholm Syndrome nothing short of amazing

>>717530649 (OP)
Wasn't the game just there to "officialise" the plot of metal gear 1 on NES ?
I only played MGSV and what a huge Fever dream. I had so much fun

>>717540851
nope, not at all. people who tell you that MGSV exists only to fill a plothole (that wasn't even a plothole, really) from 25+ years earlier are stupid people who would rather let their logic be ruled by cynicism than actually take the time to think about the plot. and like many recent kojima games, those same people haven't done the proper required reading to understand what kojima is talking about in the games because they view that required reading as "cringe". as a small example, they will not have done any research into MK Ultra. they might know what it is, but they relegate information about it in their minds into schizo territory that should be dismissed.

>>717535762
I would bet 70% of the people who played V have never even heard of PW which is monumental in explaining and understanding V and it is universally beloved so yeah.

im big boss

im a double alpha
I'm 12 feet tall
I have a 12 pack
I make 12 figures
and my 2 penises are 12 inches each

>>717542468
I kneel

>>717530649 (OP)
So true!

>>717541826
The same people are mad that the game wasn't just a checklist of cameos and fanservice. It dared to tell its own story instead of playing into expectations.

>>717530649 (OP)
it controls good but the open world sucked shit and the real time grind for unlocks was horrible.

>>717541826
>fedora tipper thinks hes a genius because he watched a video on MK Ultra
Kojima fans unintentionally make themselves look retarded all the time

>>717543096
cool argument.

>>717542738
What an accurate depiction of an average soviet man

What would the world look like if he won?

>>717544692
Like modern day, except it would be skullfaceland instead of israel

>>717530761
>nobody who read them care about its actual theme
blatantly wrong for lolita. i don't know about grey, but everyone who has read (or even heard of) lolita knows that it is a tragic story about a deeply disturbed person.
>this is called death of the author
barthes argues that individual interpretation is more important than the author's intent. meaning that one should separate the creator from their work and to just let it speak for itself. how does this relate to mgs5?

>>717530761
Have you read Lolita? Not even mentioning the sham of a story where he turns into Adam Jenssen at the end and kills like 10 people in a mansion and gets away with it, the level of detail and imagery in prose which he goes into regarding the sexual acts do not make it seem as if it matches that theme. In fact, I completely understand why people see it as a glorification. You can just tell the cocksucker author put himself in the story as the irascible Humbert Humbert. Not even mentioning at the end of the story, Dolly is in dire straits, but what happened to humberg? Literally nothing, no consequences for a single one of his fuckinh actions. But why am I even going on about this shit? Considering I doubt any of you have ever read this. Btdubbs don't bother.

>>717545902
nta but h.h. is written as an unreliable and downright delusional narrator. he does the most fucking atrocious things and makes them seem normal in both his head and his retelling.

>>717546541
What point does that make? He still doesn't face any consequences for his actions. He still does all these atrocious things and nothing happens to him. It had a chance of being a nuanced story if it tackled both sides like that. You and I both know the reason people advocate for this book here.

No, the game isn't as deep as /v/ make it to be, Skull Face explains everything in his 10 minutes ride 30 hours into the game, prior to that it's just Miller wondering what's Cipher up to
The pacing is atrocious and the story sucks, get over with it

>>717546702
>What point does that make?
i mean that the prose is all humbert. the way he describes everything happening around him is an extension of his character.
>He still doesn't face any consequences for his actions
iirc he dies in prison at the end. maybe it isn't enough of a punishment for him, but he does at least die. do remember that he's in a position of power over dolores, especially after charlotte dies.
>You and I both know the reason people advocate for this book here.
no doubts here.