Why are graphics getting worse with each year? Shouldn't they get better?

Veterans leaving, and new blood not knowing the ins & outs because we have a culture that doesn't want to hand down the tricks & techniques they've learned over the years, because why would they, they're not being paid for it, and it'd make them even more replaceable in such a volatile job market.

>>717642991
this. im very scared for the future. im afraid this is happening in every sect of society and we will live in a weird run down state of the world where everything is always sub optimal and not as good like how we remembered it being

>>717642048 (OP)
Boomers fucked us all over.

>>717645105
It blows my mind when i look military tech from 50s, 60s and 70s. And you look it now.
Ukraine operated very big and capable supersonic jet Strategic bomber fleet at one point.
Now they are using propeller planes and western hand downs.
Only china seems to be going forward. Rest of the world is stagnating or going backward

>>717646241
it turns out big expensive wunderwaffe are a liability and don't actually work.
this isn't even new. this lesson has been empirically demonstrated with both world wars.

>>717642048 (OP)
Brain drain. Shareholder profit maximizing. Lazy and self centered workforce. Heterogenous teams unable to settle on a vision. Publisher pressure not to innovate to much...etc etc

Pick your poison

>>717642048 (OP)
I hate how some modern games look blurry and have to load shaders before I can play.

>>717645105
>im afraid this is happening in every sect of society and we will live in a weird run down state of the world where everything is always sub optimal and not as good like how we remembered it being
That's already right now.

>>717642048 (OP)
Well you see, fortune 500 companies hired 98% non-whites. Black people in America have a average of 85 IQ, IQ is distributed on a bell curve. This means that while 17% of the white population has 115 IQ or higher IQ, the ideal range for doing this sort of job well, only 2% of black people are in this range, the problem being even worse when you consider the lower population of black people.


So in short, games have gotten worse because developers are dumb. This happened as a result of Jewish investors wanting non-whites hired. Hope that clears things up OP, let me know if you have any other questions.

DEI

>>717647220
>muh blackies
White losers are so sad. Look at the credits list for any game. 90% are still white dudes.

>>717647668
sir...
why did you redeem...

There's no point in good graphics when you continue to use that potato.

>>717646241
>Only China seems to be going forward.

>>717642048 (OP)
I was reliably informed that what you see there is in fact "sovl".

>>717642048 (OP)
Millenials knowing fuck all to do with boomer technology

>>717646241
>Only china seems to be going forward.

>>717642048 (OP)
>Shouldn't they get better?
graphics peaked 10 years ago but the industry wont admit it

>>717642048 (OP)
>>717642991
if the new generation is worse than the last they aren't going to make something better obviously

bad looking game always existed
, it's spectrum
some games look great (rdr2, metro exodus, cp2077)
some look alright (ubislop)
others look bad
nothing new about that.

>>717649059
this
NVIDIA saw the writing on the wall and that's why they're switching to be an AI computation company
they're using consumer grade cards to test bed their tech

>>717642048 (OP)
D E I

>Outsourcing hiring to human resources
>Prioritizing the goals of stockholders
>Buying programs instead of writing them
>Dividing development into isolated teams
>Projects are so large the staff involved in making the game don't ever see it in full
>Red line going up had nothing to do with how terrible the game got
>A global market has plenty of shiteaters from the corners of the globe

>>717649302
>anti soul gas

>>717649302
>game looks "relatively" great
>requires a super computer to get 1080p/60fps native out of it
RDR2 is the exception, but even it suffers from the TAA blur.

>>717650201
kys yourself, nigger
landscapes literally have fog

>>717650865
yeah for all those pretty textures and polygons
i thinker ER and KCD2 also look great but in different way

>>717648967
Is that the famed Twitch streamer personality, CuteDog underscore???

>>717650201
I can't take this seriously now that I've seen someone defending UE5slop use this term.

>>717649302
my man, all of those games came out 5+ years ago. you're proving OP's point

>who cares
>some games aren't going to be that pretty
which is fair
but this looks like sheer incompetence.
games made in Russia look much better than this ps 3 shit

I don't care about graphics, I care about gameplay, character design, and dialogue getting worse

>>717642991
"new blood" are contracters that come onto the project for a couple months then get replaced by the new set of contractors. There no blood to become old now, even if the old blood doesnt tell them how they invented the wheel.

>>717646241
China's like 30 years behind in military tech.

>>717651790
So basically, every game that doesn't have to run on a PS4, looks like garbage relative to the era of games that did run on PS4.

>>717651790
I think we've reached a graphical plateau where most people can't tell the difference between PS4 and PS5 games
unless developers are willing to invest a significant amount of money into graphics, like in RDR2, Alan Wake, or some sony titles

Not all studios can afford that, so they stick with PS4 level graphics (like RGG, FromSoft, IOI, or many Chinese action games).

So it's understandable that their games don't look as good as RDR2 or TLOU2.

But in this particular case, it's just sheer incompetence like with Rise of the Ronin. They should be able to do a better job with the tech and experience they have, even if they don’t have the same resources as Rockstar or Insomniac.

>>717651874
>character design
well.... that's also dogshit

>>717649302
rdr2 has dogshit texture so your opinion discarded

>>717652004
there was a big shift after 2016-2019, culturally and technologically. the problem is it wasn't for the better, all the people who knew what they were doing either quit, got fired or demoted. the people who remained thought the new technology would end up doing a bulk of the work so optimization went out the window, now everything is 720p upscaled with fake frames.

>>717652365
just so you know, denying how incredibly beautiful rdr2 is instantly discards YOUR opinion to anyone trying to have a serious conversation about game graphics. if you're just shitposting tho carry on

>>717652415
The shift of kicking out all right-sided thinkers?

>>717652730
Arkham Knight came out in 15, City is the one that was 11. Although the point still stands.

>>717647220
>brown people scapegoat
Just say "I don't know"

>>717652730
Crazy how City and Knight still consistently mog all games nowadays on a roided UE3. Wack.

>>717652816
>two games constantly wet and at night
Easy scenarios to look 'good'.

>>717653087
Not really, they still did a great job with all the assets

>>717653087
Arkham City didn't have rain, it was snowing. Knight however benefited from the weather. But even so, the only "shortcut" is the baked lighting. Not the rain.

>>717652816
Exactly. Now compare it to all the UE5 games and all of it looks awful. Even the textures for some reason are shitter nowadays.

>>717652415
>source: my butthole
Nobody who really knows what they're doing gets forced out of the gaming industry, they're too valuable. They could burn a tranny flag in the break room and upper management wouldn't give a fuck.

The problem is that the growth of the industry has spread that anyone with that level of talent too thin, because there is only a small percentage of developers with the cognitive ability and math background to work on 3D engines.

>>717653276
Nta but how is it wrong? There was a mass exodus of game devs during 2019, even before covid hit. Look at all these legacy devs like bioware, bethesda, bungie, and so on. Sometime around 2017-2019, a lot of people either got fired or left seperate ways.

>>717653261
I'm not a graphics engineer, so this might be retarded. But it seems like devs are using resources to create larger worlds instead of better looking more detailed worlds. Linear games looks incredible

>>717642048 (OP)
Good technology is lost technology

>>717652815
i doubt there was even that much thought put into it. i think a lot of people in key decision making and hiring roles thought making games was way easier than it actually is, they probably thought they could diversify their workforce and the output would be more or less consistent.
one of the senior AI programmers from cdpr who was passed over for promotion and overworked until he quit has a website that detailed the working environment.
basically he got held down while they promoted DEI juniors past him, people who didn't actually know what they were doing, he was forced to double his workload trying to fix their fuck ups and then quit.

>>717642048 (OP)
new devs are retarded zoomers who need AI to code.

this man made a better game 30 years ago.

If you are person with skills and talent game development sounds like hell
>Shit pay
>No recognition
>Crunch
>No creative freedom
>Getting laid off even if game was success
>Getting berated by fat her women

Sony spent 400 mil on Concord and not ONE PERSON said the DEI slop designs were bad.

That's how. An industry of worthless retards.

>>717653547
If you're good at game design you should just make your own games and build up your own studio.

>>717653547
You forgot, 10+ years of dev time without any accomplishment. I mean getting paid is nice but you need to have some motivation on why you're doing your job. Modern game dev just sounds absolutely soul crushing.

>>717653582
Probably not the best example for an average game studio but the Psychonauts 2 documentary really showcases how helpless the artists/programmers/animators are when a big studio lead comes in to ignore everyone's complaints.

>>717653628
Can't be any more soul crushing than being an accountant, or a grocery bagger, or a plumber. Stop crying.

>>717653276
>Nobody who really knows what they're doing gets forced out of the gaming industry, they're too valuable.
there are like a dozen+ examples of senior devs getting pushed out of the industry for wrongthink.
palmer luckey was the golden boy of VR and got fired for supporting trump.

>>717648106
>when you have to go fight a skirmish war with india on the border
Imagine the smell

>>717652730
and look at the current day, trooned out rocksteady, and suicide squad.

>>717653628
Yeah, and according to former devs/artists/vas, if your game is cancelled, it literally becomes a multi year blackhole in your portfolio unless you get given the okay to reveal what you worked on due to NDAs.

>>717653724
and now he will kill all his enemies with palantir.

>>717642048 (OP)

>>717653879
*anduril

or both.

>>717653582
they aren't allowed to say the designs are bad.

>>717642048 (OP)
>1838x827
lol, buy a better computer

>>717642048 (OP)
Final Fantasy 16 and Death Stranding 2 both look pretty good. Also the new Battlefield.

DEI hiring has been a deathblow for the industry, because it has propped up a bunch of worthless minorities. This is why great games are so rare. Now look at the list of 2010 games. That's ONE year.

>it looks bad
https://youtu.be/wAThCB-5FU4
lol

>>717642048 (OP)
DEI hires made this shit, not the original team

>>717652730
>Rain in other modern game
>"drops" all on my screen (same with blood, but red)
How did no one learn from Batman?

>>717654070
Don't bother. There's little interest here in discussion reality. They want to be upset, and so they create narratives.

DEI is like cancer, it starts with a few people, and then they multiply and completely ruin a company with no talent retards.

Why do you think MICROSOFT, worth billions and billions, keep failing with Xbox?

>>717654146
Is it even DEI, and not just blatant and cheap outsourcing to poos? There can be both, but the latter seems more blatant to the downfall of actual graphics and optimization, where as the former is the death of art'style' and cohesion.

>>717642048 (OP)
they outsource the production to 3rd world countries

>>717642048 (OP)
competency crisis

>>717653990
You don't need more. 4k is a meme. You literally can't tell the difference between these: https://imgsli.com/NDA1MjI0

>>717642048 (OP)
>DA GWAPHICS
/v/ has fallen

>>717652730
I thought everything weill be even more gayer but at least we will see our singularity in 10 years in 2015
The end result is concord.

>>717654269
poos are DEI, it's lowering quality for worthless street shitters.

>>717642048 (OP)
Entirely a result of mismanagement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uu-QHdTKo0

The new Spiderman game took a nice leap forward from it's predecessor and looks great. Spiderman 2 is only a 2 years old and could not have been done on older engines

>>717654882
It didn't do anything new gameplay-wise the other couldn't, if it wasn't constrained by a 5400rpm drive.

>>717654507
You wouldn't have survived the bit wars.
>why do I need a Genesis (likely Mega Drive in your third world nation) or SNES? My NES is all you need! Fucking paypigs and graphicsfags! I can afford a 16-bit system! I own 5 properties! I'm just not a goyslop paypig pajeet shill consoomer!

>>717655006
The ps5 and pc versions both benefit from SSDs

>>717655056
Nobody talked like that, are you translating to modern?

>>717655168
Of course, because the person I replied to didn't live back then.

please post a real screenshot instead of a 720p youtube screencap upscaled to some weird resolution

>>717655798
see >>717654070

>>717642048 (OP)
I wish graphics WOULD get worse. Shrink the fucking budgets. AAA bloat is cancer.

>>717654070
that's cool
>critical role
forgot it, gonna boycott it

>>717642048 (OP)
Indians. We should have nuked India 20 years ago.

>>717642991
No such thing as new blood being the reason, if anything new blood have the benefit of being able to build over the foundation of the previous work.

>>717642048 (OP)
>Screenshot of a youtube compressed video at shit resolution

>>717642048 (OP)
We are cooked

>>717645105
it doesn't even need to be every sect
I'm from a country where this has happened but only in the bureaucracy and the political field
but those two are ruining everything by proxy because they run and dictate systems
because everyone in them is retarded, they can't run anything that already exists and are "improving" systems by replacing them with versions that crumble in a matter of years

>>717642048 (OP)
ghosts of tsushima 1 genuinely kinda looked like this

>>717654070
Yeah, this looks much better, there were a couple parts where the fidelity seemingly dropped, but I assume that's them clipping parts on lower settings during testing.

>>717656705
Yeah bro this is just a gameplay demo handpicked and uploaded by developers. It's not supposed to look good hahaha lmao

>>717657036
It was a ps4 game

>>717657116
Nothing on YouTube ever looks good. It's low quality, low framerate videos.

>>717642048 (OP)
As an insider I can tell you that majority of dev time is still spent on graphics, it's really sad.

>>717657204
Why? Gameplay is solved.
>give player gun
>give player enemies to shoot at
>goty

>>717657284
You're easy to please

>>717642048 (OP)
Ghost of Tsushima screenshots looked dogshit as well. It relied on the wind moving everything around to make it look nice.

>>717657036
We're just an era of Youtube compression = All of the fine detail smeared away = Looks like a PS4 game instead of PS5.
lol all of the detail is smeared away in motion anyways due to upscaling bullshit

>>717656552
Don't blame Indians. Blame western cheapskates who have no pride in their product or their country.

>>717657454
I feel like building the game for PS5 hardware was a mistake.

>>717657116
This is an actual screenshot of the game, no youtube compression. Tell me with a straight face it looks just as bad.

>>717657596
This looks terrible considering how powerful the systems are these days. Games should look like real life by now

>>717657710
Lmao enjoy your movie games because that's all you're getting

>>717657596
>Badly connected branches
>Ugly grass
>We still have to see a good looking hair in a game
>Mid draw distance
>Nice grass LODs on the left you got here

>>717657532
Sony's 1st party workflow should have just remained build for PS4, then crank up the eye candy/sliders for PS5.

Even if they have to get to the point where they mandate an SSD on PS4 (they're more than cheap enough at this point) to alleviate some of the stress of seek times.

>>717658074
Le Mao.

>>717657596
There is something very, very off with how the bark on the trees is lit. Everything else looks fine if you ignore the shitty hair rendering on the horse's hair/tail, which looks like your typical "TAA will clean it up" dithering bullshit.

>>717658074
Now that looks spectacular, but the gameplay is probably very barebones. Last of Us 2 and RDR2 are the only games with super amazing graphics and good gameplay

>>717658108
You're a massive fag lmao

>>717658307
>Rdr2
>Good gameplay

>>717658458
You never learned how to handle rockstar character movement

>>717654070
looks no different than the original, a ps4 game

>>717646241
>Only china seems to be going forward.
China only recently got their Homegrown CPU's and GPU's to match western CPU's and GPU's from 15 years ago

it's easy to "go forward" at a fast rate when you already started 20 years behind everyone else and then try to steal their ideas for yourself, and even then they are forced to do this in "synthetic benchmarks" that don't translate to real world performance when put to the test

stop falling for CCP propaganda

>>717653702
With other jobs there no expectations of creating something meaningful

>>717645105
You can thank a certain (((chosen))) people for the state the world is in

>>717660835
OY VEY

>>717657596
anti soul gas, proprietary graphic engine, it's not unreal engine's fault after all

It's good old corporate greed
>Jeet outsourcing
>Hiring firing
>Retarded corporate mandate
>Struggle sessions
>Forced to pump out slop

>>717652162
>or some sony titles
But Sony are the worst offenders when it comes to all their recent games looking like PS4 games still.

>>717646241
America is the only nation on the bleeding edge of military tech, and that's because Lockheed Martin and co. are being pumped directly by the Federal Reserve.

>>717661668
But they are still better looking than most AAA games

>>717656705
>>717657172
>>717657596
>>717658074
>>717658340
Why are Snoytards so delusional

>>717661764
lol >>717661779

>>717661779
Lol wtf is that mountain looks like someone skeeted on it

>>717656705
>le compression
The lighting is 100% completely FLAT

>>717661779
The only time people on this board will praise asscreed is to shit on another game

>>717661779
>>717662092
>see that mountain? you can skeet on it

God, snoys are so corporate bootlickers they swallow up everything.
They're so retarded they actually thought ps5 SSD was something revolutionary LMAO

>>717660835
Some of them are good.

>>717661714
If america was on the bleeding edge it wouldn't have been ukranians/russians pioneering cheap shitty alibaba drone warfare which is the actual cutting edge. The USA can throw a bunch of money into a hole and then label that hole USA #1 but that doesn't mean anything. You can build a bee sized homing missile that can shave off an insurgents nosehairs but if it costs a trillion dollars it's not actually a good weapon.

>>717642048 (OP)
Because more and more studios are using Unreal Engine and it makes the games look like shit.

>>717665251
I agree. Look at this shit. It came out this year on PC and looks awful.

>>717665730
I seriously don't get what the fuck they're doing with the renderer. It seemingly cannot draw straight lines. Every outline of every object is fucked. You HAVE to turn on DLSS or TAA to blur the shit out of the screen to not see it.

>>717664863
There's a distinction to be drawn between cutting edge tech and what's effective tech in a given conflict, the latter being much more contextual. If you go make cutting edge drone bombs that cost 100x more for only 2x performance, they're logistically inferior weapons, but that's only relevant if you don't have effectively infinite military budget.

>>717665861
My image was retarded and hyperbolic, but the biggest issue is the way they use a lot of sprite work (hair is a bunch of sprite layers overlaid, foliage is sprite-based), and TAA/DLSS were planned from the beginning to hide some of the weirdness it presents. DLAA still looks pretty good, thougheverbeit.
https://imgsli.com/NDA1MjU1

>>717642048 (OP)
I was about to call you a lying tranny since Ghost of Tsushima was one of the best looking games I have ever played, but then I looked at the screenshot and everything made sense.

>>717649302
>Metro trannydus
>Looks great
Lmaooo

>>717652730
It ran like shit when it was released but at least it genuinely looked good. Now games run like shit and don't even look good.

>>717665730
That's your pc, faggot. I played Rebirth on a PS5 Pro and it looked nothing like the shit you posted.

>>717642048 (OP)
>Ukraine operated very big and capable supersonic jet Strategic bomber fleet at one point.
>Now they are using propeller planes and western hand downs.
That was the Soviet Union RIP to a real one, soviet union collapsing is the greatest tragedy since WW2

>>717667273
>too dumb to read >>717667004
>snoy
Pottery.

>>717642048 (OP)
Stop being antisemitic

>>717642048 (OP)

>>717666558
The US military budget is FAR from infinite.

>>717642048 (OP)
>Why are graphics getting worse with each year?
Because you are judging graphics from compressed ShitTube footage, or from your 1080p display outputting FSR Performance.

Graphics are not developing nearly as quickly as they did in 2000-2012 but they are improving. Go play a game from 2013 and you'll realize the lighting and popin were a lot worse than you remember. (Texture quality however has not really improved)

>>717642048 (OP)
I'm sorry but this is just apples vs. oranges for the Nth time. Ghost games are highly stylized with emphasis on lighting effects, vegetation, atmosphere etc, all while aiming at 60 frames per second on a base PS5. They will age much better than your generic UE5 crap and will play much better than your generic tech demo crap.

>>717667485
Mass Effect (even the LE) always amazes me with the first game's terrain popin on the Mako.

>this is now a retro game

devs dont know how to optimise/dont care about it anymore
>yeah the game is 500gb, deal with it

>>717667640
Why do you guys keep posting the same cherrypicked videos? Have you actually played a video game on a PC?

>>717646732
>precompiles shader cache every time your graphics card driver or game updates
Oh so this is a modern thing? Only recently noticed it as I started playing.... modern shooters.

no one cares anymore, grafix man

>>717652162
>rise of the ronin
You really think team ninja is supposed to be making a graphical masterpiece? How retarded are you?

>>717667731
In the old days, we had specific shaders on GPUs. You had this many that can do X, and this many that could do Y or Z. Nowadays, they're programmable, which makes it so they have more flexibility in development. The shaders are different depending on your GPU, driver version, game version, and so on; so better games compile them ahead of time instead of subjecting you to a stutterfest as they're compiled on first use.

>>717667567
i can't believe they butchered the remaster so fucking hard

>>717667640
I've literally never seen a city that looks the same way the capitol of Forspoken does. It has this dreamy, surrealistic feel to it that no amount of fake vignettes and volumetric fog can replicate.

>>717667851
>Barry has entered the chat

>>717667838
They've been programmable since Geforce 3.
Those cards are older than the average age of posters on this board including you.

>>717667640
I'm not defending Flopspoken but this is such a dishonest comparison. Unity was a broken game on release whose only redeeming quality was having good graphics, Forspoken is a broken shit game nobody takes seriously and nobody expected good graphics from it. I could just as easily take a 2015 game with shit graphics and compare it to Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora to make a dishonest claim about how graphics have massively improved.

>>717642048 (OP)
If graphics got better you'd trigger the optimization and framerate tards.

JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND BUY THE AAA GAMES ALREADY!!!

>>717664863
Russia and Ukraine are both 70s era Soviet armies with some modern flare. Get back to me on how effective shitty drones are when they are jammed en masse or destroyed by pointing mobile microwaves at them.

>>717642991

yea the combo of DEI and im gonna replace you with an unqualified indian has almost destroyed the entire industry

>>717667953
DX10 stuff was the first to implement the Unified Shader Model, which is specifically what I'm referring to. The 360 did it before PC cards could, but on consoles, you can ship shaders with it.
Since shaders used were still simple with DX10 titles like Bioshock and Gears of War, they did on the fly compilation. The added complexity came down the road with DX11 and 12 and more advanced cards with a lot more shaders on board. The 8800GTX had 128 shader units, which meant programming them on the fly was relatively fast. The 5090 has 170 times that at 21760 shaders. It takes longer and doing it on the fly isn't optimal anymore.

>>717645105

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING - america is New Brazil - it's even worse than you think though because large sections of the rest of the world rely on anglo technological state being regulated and certified and being TRUSTABLE so when that pyramid of trust falls apart it's not just america who degrades it's everyone around her as well

>>717642048 (OP)
People used to complain about the obsessive focus on graphics uber alles. I'm glad it's falling out of favor, even if it's due to incompetence.

My ideal for gaming is good gameplay and good stories that don't require a $5000 PC to play.

>>717645105
Read Joseph Tainter. This is inevitable and not just the result of your personal partisan political obsession. Civilization is hitting diminishing returns on complexity and it must contract to survive.

>>717661714

that's not really true though - the entire joe rogan navy pilot saw a UFO shindig all started in 2015, right when the ukraine war psyop was starting - america can't even maintain their production line of arms anymore because their DEI'd factories can't function properly

>>717668308
retard

>>717642048 (OP)
Sorry I forgot to paint some pixels.

>>717651984

they just built barges that are superior amphib delivery system to anything the USA has - retard

>>717642991
Also don't forget about just firing people and then later hiring new ones so any kind of teaching simply couldn't happen in the first place.

>CTRL+F / Find On Mobile Page
>Vulkan
>DX12
>RTX
>0 RESULTS FOUND

No wonder this thread is shit. You guys talk about your FEELINGS more than being objective.

>>717646632
>Lazy and self centered workforce
I mean that is a direct consequence of all the other things.
Why should I do overtime or do anything above the bare minimum if it's not even acknowledged, let alone rewarded, and why should I care about the company if the company doesn't care about me?
I work for a living, I don't live to work.

>>717653276
>industry has spread that anyone with that level of talent too thin

it's not that - it's feminine social environment where all critical analysis gets shut down in favor of politeness - all male enviroments are hyper critical filled with questioning of each other on a constant basis, shit talking, escalating to higher extremes, etc... all of this is gone when you fill the office with 20% females and beta faggots

>>717646241
>Ukraine operated very big and capable supersonic jet Strategic bomber fleet at one point.
???????????
Are wumao using AI to write their posts now

>>717647220
While you're not wrong about the statistics, I seriously doubt that blacks are even 1% of any team writing or working with engine code. I doubt that even 2% of game devs, generally, are black. There's some work that is quite literally impossible with that group. You can't even put them there and just pretend theat they are working, it's that bad.

>>717654269

the feminizing is what lowers all draw bridges and defenses...

>>717664863
USA owns Ukraine though they'd never tell you. Russian leaders and USA leaders made a deal, both sides are generating money right now, actual Ukrainians and Russians are fucked and getting sent to die in a fake war

>>717654413

cp77 in 4k on a 5090 is euphoric - go be a poor faggot somewhere else

>>717654882
they literally lost half the frame rate from spider man miles morales to spider man 2 - cut in half - you m

A unity game btw.

>>717668661
>too dumb to understand sarcasm
Also, CP2077 is ugly. It's just greasy, which poorfags think looks good.

All ingame graphics. No photo mode or any such foomfooleey.
Note that not only does it come together based on looks alone, there is also genuine composition at play. I cant recall a single AAA title that used composition well.

>>717667640

the moment they learn how to use AI to sample large city pictures and then design the interior of the town based on those real life city pictures all the giant art teams will die at the big studios.... it's only a matter of time and that kind of pattern matching and duplication is exactly what AI is good at - all the "busy bee" type work

>>717667846
Consoles can't run Crysis

>>717658307
SS:H2 was entirely linear, about 8 hours long and had combat about like an MMO. It also doesn't look nearly as good as people hype it to be, but that's entirely the fault of direction. Every single environmental texture is over-detailed because they wanted to showcase Nanite, and it ends up looking like noise in the textures. The charaacter model during gameplay is just "okay" compared to AAA UE4 games, and actually worse than what Decima does.

>>717668703
>A unity game btw.
Yeah, that was obvious

>>717668660
>Russian leaders and USA leaders made a deal

i think it's the british too - after brexit they had no motives to help europe and every motive to help USA - also the ukraine war has cut off the east from europe forcing europe to use USA energy exports - but you are dead on correct - the anglos and the Rus made a deal to split ukraine

>>717642048 (OP)
DS2 looked pretty great. KCD2 as well.

>>717668756
>cant recall a single AAA title that used composition well.
Bamham
Kcd 1-2
Rdr2
Er
Tw3
And some jap games

It's a little hard to make good compositions somebody else is controlling the camera at all times

>>717668990
>Kcd 1-2
The starting location looked abysmally dogshit but everything afterwards was neat yeah.
>Er
50/50

>It's a little hard to make good compositions somebody else is controlling the camera at all times
The asking price is 70/80 bucks. Why wouldn't we demand they put in the work? I know it's hard but if you wanna go the easy route why work in a gamedev industry

>>717642048 (OP)
a good 80% of it is Unreal Engine
and the rest is deferred rendering. devs think they need to use if for everything even stuff like hair, foliage, shadows, fire and other translucent effects that should only be rendered with forward rendering.

>>717642048 (OP)
Graphics have visibly improved in the last 5 or so years. Not as much as they should have but they have still improved. You remember the bullshots from the mid 2010s that we used to see and say "yeah no way the game looks like this" now the best looking games look like that all the time.

I am growing increasingly annoyed by the amount of turd worlders online still playing at 1080p with all kinds of vile shit like FSR whining about their games not looking good and pretending some 2010 game that looks like a 2015 game has better graphics than 2025 games. What they should whine instead is that even when games look graphically simple they STUTTER which is a far worse problem. When a game still stutters even with a 9800X3D + 5090 there is something deeply wrong with the current model of game development.

Once an industry goes corporate and gets an HR and starts hiring women and people with degrees rather than people with talent you lose everything. And this is basically every sector of society where undeserving retards are getting high positions in companies sometimes for the express purpose that they're retarded and easily to manipulate.

>>717642048 (OP)
The boats in Asscreed oranges were full of clutter and details. In shadows? Boring as fuck. Sure the textures are highres and polycount is up. But not as alive as origins is.

>>717669143
the "best looking" games look like shit. the latest doom looks and runs way worse than Doom 2016.

>>717669143
>rendered with Vulkan
OH NO NO NO

>>717668756
Ghost of Tsushima depends entirely on composition to look good, otherwise it's graphically mediocre (like the sequel)

>>717669234
>the latest doom looks and runs way worse than Doom 2016.
See this is the type of sour grapes shit I am talking about. Nobody who actually played these games and compared them head to head would say this.

>>717669130
Kcd 1 year but 2 was very pretty from the start.
https://youtu.be/-dcAx8E9uqQ?si=l430ooGD2Ph--Wm2

>50/50
Mountain top giants was shit, I'll give you that

>The asking price is 70/80 bucks
Even in ideal conditions, there are trade offs.
I guess RDR2 gets pretty close, but even that's not picture perfect all the time.
Also, it's not like people have any standards, so it's probably just a passionate dev thing that these games even have so many pretty compositions

>>717652976
you could do all this on unreal 5 as well, but there's huge trade offs these days. people want huge 4k textures, massive fuck off draw distances, etc. the new call of duty games all use baked lighting, which is one of the key reasons they're 12 billion gbs big. unreal engine 5's lumen is really, really cool technology for real time lighting and global illumination, only it's 100% unusable with the AAA pipeline of graphics bloat. there's also this insane "myth" that unreal 5 can't do baked lighting, yet when you load a new light in ue5, it literally defaults to baked. at the end of the day, games are funded by retards, made by retards, and for retards. the passion is completely gone, because what's there to be passionate about? being a good little soldier ant, and then getting axes without warning for a couple jeeters? people do the bare minimum until they're randomly fired.

>>717642048 (OP)
switch 2 port confirmed

>>717642048 (OP)
Jeet devs fuckin suck at their job.

>>717646241
>Broken english and grammar in shambles
>'Oh yeah, China is numba wan'
GEE, I WONDER WHO COULD BE BEHIND THIS POST

>>717669476
Kcd2 is nothing but an asset flip of a 7 year old game. A game specifically made to look as good as possible

>>717669486
>people want
I don't think so, not really
They can't even tell difference between ps4 and 5 games
It's to appease the investoors because they are bunch of retards who Don't understand anything other than big numbers

That’s the “Intelligence” from the AI

>>717654164
>bro, treat the camera like it's the players eyeballs lmao!
i fucking hate this shit. same with the fucking camera somehow being my ears too
>character stands in blizzard
>camera is still inside a building
>no outside noise at all
sheer retardation.

>>717642048 (OP)
>this garbage will require a 5090 plus 200gb of space plus secure boot enabled

i don't know why i stay on this dogshit website it's populated by such low iq miserable cretins
i'll go play videogames, thanks for teaching me a lesson

>>717642048 (OP)
far cry 1 looks better lmao

>>717658850
you mean they recently matched the 4060 with a card that costs 1/10th a 4060

>>717669665
Yeah go play the increasingly low pool of like 2 games over and over again loser

>>717669681
>GPU releases sarin gas into your house

>>717669681
it's gonna be so funny when china just clones nvidia cards, sells them for half off by default, and kills nvidia because they can't possibly compete with the only place they manufacture their cards.

>>717642048 (OP)
Competency crisis as the old blood developers retire. That's why every company is switching to UE5, it's easier to hire Indians who are familiar with the asset store since there's nobody left to train new hires on the proprietary engines. This industry is cooked and it's because of lazy HR.

>>717669753
Nvidia has already ditched the industry. It's a farce. The only people keeping it going are brown consoletards

>>717669681
I have been seeing "China makes card that beats Nvidia card at a fraction of the price" for a decade and I have yet to see any of those cards actually reach the market in any way. Stop falling for clickbait.

>>717669772
Wow, you don’t have the proper degree for this comment

>>717669786
That's why I'm upgrading from my old 4090 to a 9070XT. AMD doesn't need fake pixels or fake frames to do 4k480.

>>717669786
>Nvidia has already ditched the industry.
90% of PC users have goyvidia cards, and 90% of the new graphical gimmicks you're seeing are initially pioneered by goyvidia.

>>717667004
>My image was retarded and hyperbolic
I got that much but it's showing some of the rendering artifacts that I've seen in so many unreal games. Most recently I ran into it in TQ2. Like if you look at the lamp post's edges in >>717665730 they're jagged instead of straight.

>>717669367
dark ages is full of fucking artifact, can't render real transparency and uses AI upscaling.
2016 is just pure clean rendering and has real transparency and real AA.

>>717669836
Kek haven't seen this one before.

>>717669879
And PC is a dead end fossilized market. 40 series was probably the last bump in popularity for a decade for PC. It's over and it's never coming back

>>717669842
>That's why I'm upgrading from my old 4090 to a 9070XT. AMD doesn't need fake pixels or fake frames to do 4k480.
The Rx9000 cards are literally Radeon-branded RTX cards man. They removed parts of the silicon to make room for RT cores and AI cores, they're all about machine learning upscaling and raytracing performance, and they're becoming just as stingy with the VRAM. Don't let the underdog meme blind you.

>>717668408
why are you expecting mouth breathing retards to actually read the news instead of repeating outdated shit

>>717642048 (OP)
Because you're gonna buy it just to buy it, whether or not it's good is irrelevant.

>>717669953
All the genuine posts by my fellow white friends on /v/ have told me that AMD is the company that needs my support.

>>717669476
>but even that's not picture perfect all the time
It doesnt have to be the greatest thing ever at all times but it feels like most modern games dont even try.

For example, compare the areas in Dying Light 1 vs the sequel

>>717669812
no you haven't, these are actual cards that you can buy right now and have been benchmarked by western outlets. actual cope

>>717670051
China will never be relevant. Even now those are flooding steam, a platform that hasn't had a major release in a decade

>>717661668
I can't believe half of New York got taken by the sea!

>>717669903
>2016 is just pure clean rendering and has real transparency and real AA.
You're just spouting nostalgic bullshit with no basis in reality here. The "pure clean rendering" has visible aliasing in motion when you use no AA or use SMAA/FXAA, and it becomes blurry with TAA/TXSSAA and can have ghosting artifacts: https://youtu.be/WG8w9Yg5B3g?si=O6CPgMIpAsePqem1&t=1350

>>717670098
lol you're an actual delulu

>>717670017
>but it feels like most modern games dont even try.
True, ubisoft makes these great worlds but something always feels wrong, it's feel fake and plastic
Same can be said about a lot of other games
It's it's the talent going away and production priorities

>>717645105
It's already like that. Just stay focused on your own life and own family and don't worry too much about the rest of the world. (And be armed at all times)

>>717670141
Serious. China is a paper tiger the west give money so they don't give it to Russia. That's the only reason they exist

>>717642991
>>717645105
Pretty much. The gaming industry really did become an industry with all the pros and caveats. Which leads into optimizing how much you can squeeze from p(l)ayers. I wouldn't be surprised if high spenders rates are coupled with low spenders but worse skills so that low spenders become high spenders in hopes of being better.
It's also no wonder why UE is being pushed. Why bother with an engine where only a small group of people know how it operates, and if they bring new blood they'd have to invest in them, which poses a risk. Compare that to people learning engines for free, on their own leisure time who, when they ask for a raise, can be easily replaced and/or outsourced.
But this mindset that's being settled and encouraged around the world is fully sociopathic and will be our downfall down the line.
Take for instance Youtube, nowadays you have people uploading AI generated videos with AI generated background noises with AI generated voices that narrate an AI generated script for the sole purpose of earning money. Or streamers that do the minimum of reacting to a video or article or if they feel daring in that day some manufactured drama & then upload or clip parts of their stream to youtube to double dip. And then you have blue checkmarks who also only post engagement bait about them. If low effort is being rewarded 100 times over high effort, why bother?
Or the people who fake their living standards because retards believe them and buy their course? Literally the "How to make money by selling books" book
Seeing constructions that can pass the test of time is a marvel to humanity, because nowadays it's encouraged and recommend to build soon to crumble buildings(but not TOO soon so people find out) just to have more buildings to build.

Unfortunately there isn't much else to solve this besides "be the change you want to see".

>>717642991
Veterans can't even teach the new blood, because the "new blood" are outsourced contracted Indians who aren't even in the same country as them, let alone the same office.

Contracted outsourcing is the real cause of AAA's brutal decline, yet budgets are still up because it doesn't fucking work since they have to scrap so much useless code anyway, but upper management are clueless retards who don't want to pay for benefits for good employees.

>>717657596
Does a youtube video remove details from rocks? Or is that more cope for you faggots?

>>717670051
Show me a real gaming benchmark of a Chinese card beating an Nvidia card at a fraction of the price, a card that's available for purchase. If you can, I'll admit I was wrong. You won't though.

>>717642048 (OP)
They aren't.

>>717651790
Death Stranding 2 mogs everything released so far.
We do have progress, it's just that the number of studio able to achieve it is getting smaller and smaller.

>>717670668
>Death Stranding 2 mogs everything released so far.
I like it but not really. I'd grade it below games like Avatar or Doom TDA in terms of total graphics. But nobody played either of those games so nobody cares.

>>717667485
Lol cope retard >>717661779

>>717670139
>has visible aliasing in motion when you use no AA or use SMAA/FXAA
those are shader effects that evaluate every frame and process them individually. so I know for a fact they do not have "aliasing in motion" as they do not rely on motion or data from previous frames. they eliminate aliasing from every frame. Even better the game is so well optimized you can inject SSAA or use super resolution to get SSAA.

>>717642048 (OP)
Blame the jeets

>>717646241
>Ukraine operated very big and capable supersonic jet Strategic bomber fleet at one point.

*The Soviet Union. Ukrainians have cognitive dissonance when it comes to the USSR. If its in their advantage, they argue they have everything to do with it; and if it's in their disadvantage, then they had nothing to do with it.

>>717668234
Okay but now you get worse looking games that also perform worse. Im glad you got what you wanted.

>>717670764
The intro is jaw dropping and was the first time I was genuinely wondering if what I was looking at is real life or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqCPmwm0b2k
Face scans are also way ahead of what others can do.

>>717642048 (OP)
>Why are graphics getting worse with each year
The normalization of unoptimized games had the consequence of pushing supersampling and framegens as standard for anyone who doesn't renew their rig yearly.
Supersampling and framegen normalized letting a significant portion of the userbase stew in trash graphics.
Unreal worsened the issue by being an extremely accessible engine for even the most incompetent retards, which resulted in companies hiring the scum of the barrell for cheap rather than people who can actually develop a game.

>>717670852
>those are shader effects that evaluate every frame and process them individually. so I know for a fact they do not have "aliasing in motion"
You have genuinely no idea what you are talking about.
FXAA/SMAA not relying on motion or data from previous frames does NOT mean they remove aliasing in motion or that they eliminate aliasing from every frame. All it means is that they won't ghost or smear the way TAA does because they're not using leftover information from previous frames. But that's funnily enough the same reason why FXAA/SMAA cannot address aliasing in motion the way TAA does. Aliasing keeps happening when you turn them on because they're spatial antialiasing methods that cannot address temporal aliasing.

Do you think modern games omit FXAA/SMAA from the graphics menu because it's some of kind of conspiracy? They do it because FXAA/SMAA do nothing to adress the types of aliasing you see in motion now.

>>717670174
uh huh, sure anon

https://features.csis.org/hiddenreach/china-shipyard-tiers/

im sure the country with all the actual manufacturing equipment and a propagandized population is DEFINITELY a paper tiger. im definitely not a delulu operating off of information thats been outdated for 30 years

>>717670224
https://wccftech.com/china-first-high-end-gaming-gpu-lisuan-g100-outperforms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060/

https://wccftech.com/another-chinese-gpu-emerges-online-moore-threads-mtt-s90-reportedly-outperforms-rtx-4060/

As for buying them: Go to china you stupid gwailo kek

>>717671045
>no Level Design, no foliage, nothing but a megascanned Mountain
Wowwww

>>717671171
>cannot address aliasing in motion the way TAA does
what the fuck are you talking about? are you talking abotu frame interpolation NO ONE FUCKING WANTS THAT.
AAs job is to remove the aliasing per frame which real AA does. Not create motion blur and blend frames ruining the crispness of the image you fucking spastic. Cunts like you are ruining graphics.

>>717642048 (OP)
Because you play nothing but movie slop.
https://youtu.be/LdAg4Dp2tgw
Additionally artistic technique has been improving as well
https://youtu.be/oiep0wYfQPQ
It's not just a graphics thing, artists are learning and using new techniques that didn't exist before.

>>717671738
>what the fuck are you talking about? are you talking abotu frame interpolation
I am not talking about frame interpolation. I am talking about aliasing and the types of it.
SMAA/FXAA are spatial antialiasing methods. They primarily address spatial aliasing (primarily geometric aliasing) on a per frame basis and have no access to information from previous frames.
TAA is temporal antialiasing. It primarily addresses shimmering, specular flickering, shader flickering, visual noise, moire patterns, lack of subpixel information - aka visual issues because of the differences between each frame. That's temporal aliasing, happens during motion and happens more and more often as graphics become more advanced. This temporal aliasing is something FXAA/SMAA cannot address because they function on a per-frame basis, but TAA uses information from previous frames to fix them. A negative byproduct of using information from previous frames is the ghosting and smearing and softening TAA is famous for.

In Doom 2016 there's a lot of shader aliasing, specular flickering, and moire patterns. These DO NOT get solved by using FXAA or SMAA. They only get solved by TAA (which looks too soft and can ghost). The only good antialiasing solution in that game is TSSAA8TX which is basically TAA with 8x supersampling going on, much more performance intensive than anything else. It's not frame interpolation, it's antialiasing that happens over time instead of per each frame.

The fact I have to explain this to retards who are loudly outspoken about what is "correct" about rendering is mind numbing.

>>717642048 (OP)
This is progress, luddite. Witness the power of vibe-coded games.

>>717642991
>a culture that doesn't want to hand down the tricks & techniques they've learned over the years
>"how dare this CIS hwhite man tell me what to do"
>"HR!, Anon said there is an error in my code, FIRE HIM!"
>"you think you know more than me? MICROAGRESSION!"
Also, imagine actually sharing your knowledge with faggots and whores

>>717642048 (OP)
Go play Armored Core 6, fag, it still blows my mind how well it runs on PS4

Bloat
>OMG sisters it would look so much cooler if we just doubled the pixels in this blade of grass!
>Do that
>Now runs like shit and you can put less of them around
>Just like, IDK, use aftereffefcts or something?
Moving to higher and higher definitions and "graphics settings" means you spend more time doing dumb bullshit like getting the definition up, then optimizing, then increasing the definition, and ALL of this is separate from what makes a game look good.
Assets don't make a game look good, art direction / style does. It has almost nothing to do with MUH GRAPHICS because at the end of the day it's about takings scenes, making them fit together, and making them look good.

>>717672308
Go back to /r/kotakuinaction dude

>>717672398
Niggerfaggot

>>717672483
You're not even white, you're a mentally ill slav that plays nothing but goyslop. Go back, you're not wanted or needed here.

>>717672178
What you're talking about does not exist.
frame 1 = has no aliasing
frame 2 = has no aliasing
Yet you claim you play them together and suddenly there's magically aliasing. that's just false you faggot TAA shill.
we've been playing games with SSAA, FXAA for years there are no magical ghost frames with aliasing.
there is sometime slight subpixel color mixing varions between frames that are not 100% realistic to how they would look in rel life but this is not aliasing nor is it noticeable or a problem.

>>717642048 (OP)
I can’t figure out if this looks the same or worse than the original. It can’t be that much worse considering it’s made on the same engine, can it?

>>717642048 (OP)
because their priorities are fucked while also not caring about optimization
>make overly detailed models and textures
>have stupid shit like peach fuzz hair you never see unless you pause and zoom in
>cover it all up with overuse of bloom/fog or overly flashy skill effects
>let's just tell people to throw better hardware at it
>wonder why game runs like shit and looks like ass

>>717672540
Keep crying troonkike

>>717651984
china is 100 years ahead of the US in industrial production though
china makes more ships than the rest of the world combined, and like 100 times more than the USA. Even finland makes like 10 times more ships (in tonnage) than the US

>>717672574
>TAA shill
Imagine thinking people shill for random technologies and concepts.
>you're shilling for socks and sandals!!!!!!!
It must be loud in your skull with all those voices and so much empty space.

>>717652162
Sekiro and Elden Ring were the first Fromsoft games that you could argue look PS4 level instead of 7th gen.

>>717672574
Go read any legitimate game engine documentation or any youtube video to learn exactly what I told you.
https://www.cryengine.com/docs/static/engines/cryengine-5/categories/23756816/pages/26872518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8w9Yg5B3g
If you're too stubborn or too retarded to understand simple graphical ideas, don't comment on them.

>>717672765
People shill for UE5, AI scaling, AI framegen, live service, ect. people shill for all the horrible garbage that companies are currently pushing.

DLAA already solves TAA's problems
AMDtards are the only ones complaining about this crap
>but I can only use DLSS performance/quality
Get a better card and/or go back down to 1080p

>>717672823
>Digital Troondry
fuck off and die. they know nothing about graphics and are the biggest shills for TAA and the horrible, poorly coded rendering built around it, currently killing the industry.

>>717672782
yeah, they rely really hard on the art direction
and it works
GOW3 looks just like this.

>>717672823
>tradition AA not resolving our horrible shithouse modern graphics
>we need super Vaseline TAA
NO. It's because your doghit fake modern graphics are not even made properly.
when this is how you're rendering hair, you need to throw your whole engine in the trash and start again.

it's not the job of AA to fix your shit grainy artefacts. You need to start over and program effects not to render as shit grainy artefacts in the first place.

>>717672929
Maybe you're insane.

>>717652730
Finished this two days ago, fucking good game

>>717645698
Yeah sure let's blame boomers while millennials and zoomers burn down the world and behind dumber every day.
Yes clearly it's all because of those evil boomers, whatever keeps the guilt and personal responsibility away.

>>717672574
What compels people on this website to just outright deny reality to this degree? TAA works that way. If you don't trust Epic or DF then read elsewhere.

https://docs.godotengine.org/en/latest/tutorials/3d/3d_antialiasing.html
>Temporal antialiasing works by converging the result of previously rendered frames into a single, high-quality frame. This is a continuous process that works by jittering the position of all vertices in the scene every frame. This jittering is done to capture sub-pixel detail and should be unnoticeable except in extreme situations. This technique is commonly used in modern games, as it provides the most effective form of antialiasing against specular aliasing and other shader-induced artifacts.
>Fast approximate antialiasing is a post-processing antialiasing solution. It is faster to run than any other antialiasing technique and also supports antialiasing transparency. However, since it lacks temporal information, it will not do much against specular aliasing. This technique is still sometimes used in mobile games. However, on desktop platforms, FXAA generally fell out of fashion in favor of temporal antialiasing, which is much more effective against specular aliasing. Nonetheless, exposing FXAA as an in-game option may still be worthwhile for players with low-end GPUs.
https://www.cryengine.com/docs/static/engines/cryengine-5/categories/23756816/pages/26872518
>SMAA is an efficient post-processing based technique that can reliably detect and smooth edges in an image. While it works very well in removing jaggies and staircase artifacts from edges, it does not solve the problem of temporal aliasing, where individual pixels and entire edges can flicker when in motion. To address those issues, CRYENGINE has pioneered the use of highly efficient temporal filters that take information from previous frames to improve the stability of subpixel features that would otherwise crawl and flicker in a very obvious way.

>>717642048 (OP)
>why do games look shittier every year on my 10 years old PC that "runs everything"??

>>717669486
>being a good little soldier ant, and then getting axes without warning for a couple jeeters?

feminine society has no psychological self awareness - a reflection of how the average woman thinks

>>717674071
Pretty sure GoY is a PS5 exclusive

>>717669567

except black myth wukong outsold the the recent AAA games by 50x - that's the one that really shook up the corpo game studios in USA

>>717669665

it's bots and corpo game devs sitting around all day not doing anything at their wasteful corpo jobs

>>717669786

the datacenter AI bubble is exclusively funded by government budgest, literally half of nvidia's spend last year was for USA federal budget stuff - that bubble will pop and is only temporary because of america's extremely corrupt and rigged economy on the brink of collapse

>>717652730
impressive. now change the daytime

>>717669959

i enjoy fucking with their dunning kruger - it's directly connected to their sense of well being and safety and causes them anxiety the more you point out logical inconsistencies

>>717674015
"Temporal aliasing". is not an actual problem. it was invented as a problem when TAA started getting pushed.
Games never needed TAA. You do not need frame smearing garbage like TAA if you simply make your effects properly.

>>717674421
Lmao. It's like I'm trying to explain color to a person that gouged their eyes out and pretends eyes aren't real.

>>717670187

don't forget harvard MBA's being forced into managerial and director roles because of their connections to board of directee's who graudated from the same universities also connected to wall street firms who are also from the same universities - it's a club and you aren't in it - this class of people are destroying western industries at break neck pace - the DEI was just icing on top

>>717674015
>it will not do much against specular aliasing
Why do your specular effects have aliasing in the first place? are you too retarded to make a decent specular pass shader?

>>717674563
>game has a gorrilion shaders? just add more shaders for the shaders
You've already got the right attitude to work on an Unreal game lad.

>>717674161
then I don't know what is even OP arguing about, console games always looked like shit

>>717671045

yeah i can't wait for pc release - really enjoyed the first one - it's better than any recent sci-fi movies too - maybe prometheus is the only one i can think of recently that is comparable - hideo deserves a lot of credit as a film maker, moreso than a game maker

>>717642048 (OP)
nobody knows how to fucking code anymore and just use pre-made engines poorly

>>717672398
He's not actually wrong though, this exact thing has happened at both blizzard and bungie, and you can see the decay and feminization of both of their major IPs.

>>717674640
the "Unreal game" attitude is
>I want to have no control over the render pipeline and I want the engine to do literally everything for me at the cost of the customers GPU.
>mipmaps? baked in shadows? art style? that stuffs too much work

>>717653947
What a little bitch

>>717671045
>the first time I was genuinely wondering if what I was looking at is real life or not
DS1 did the same trick with the intro, all the beginning shots are offline render

>>717674509
Except colors exist I can show you a picture.
Your fairy tale does not.

>>717642991
>and new blood

Indians, you mean indians.

The Indie scene. If you have the skills, and enjoy making games, why work for a giant company? Indie games allow for far more creative freedom even if you have to work in a small team (since the director/lead dev usually has to bend to how YOU do things) and indie games have been shown to make just as much if not more money than most AAA games that you often get directly paid from. You also usually get to stick around assuming your game didn't bomb and the lead dev abandons future projects.

The best devs have moved to small studios or indie devs, or they've left the game industry altogether.

>>717674509
Stop trying to make graphics schizos see reason.

>>717675303
Forgot to answer the actual question: Good graphical designers moved to indie studios, where graphical style (what actually drives graphical designers) is favored over sheer graphical fidelity (what publishers/executives that work in AAA companies want).

>>717674640
>game has a gorrilion shaders? just add more shaders for the shaders
how do you think lighting and specular is calculated in the first place retard? with shaders.
you'd know that if you'd ever done any real graphics work instead of relying on inbuilt engine shit.

>>717673898
I played a little of Asylum and I got bored walking slowly everywhere, and quit.

>>717672178
You're wrong on SMAA here, though, given a large enough supersample ratio. Go play RE8 with supersample set to 8 (max IIRC) and it's gorgeous and perfect AA. A slideshow, sure. That's why DLDSR is so rad, it gives you something pretty close to true MSAA without such a huge performance hit.

>>717642048 (OP)
can't take it seriously a woman can "get over here!" a grown ass samurai

>>717674987
You don't show me any pictures. I can show you a video if you want.
Doom 2016, no AA vs TSSAA8TX vs SMAA. https://limewire.com/d/5NlCA#hYAbjn1CeF

First without any antialiasing. Of course there's basic jaggies going on. But when you start moving: look at how the illuminated parts of the geometry shimmer, look at the checkboard pattern in the blood spatters on the ground and how it shifts in and out of existence depending on the angle. Look how some of the lights disappear and reappear. None of these frames are INDIVIDUALLY bad, but when you play them in a sequence it results in a very unstable presentation. That's temporal aliasing in action.

Then with TSSAA8TX which is basically TAA with 8x supersampling going on, notice how all the snapping has been solved. The reflection now looks normal and no longer noisy or dependent on the angle. Lights are consistently on the screen across frames instead of shifting in and out of existence. Stabilized presentation, both geometric aliasing and temporal aliasing addressed. The only flaw here is that you can still see the ceiling lamp snapping but that's what you get for playing at 1080p, not even TSSAA8TX can fix it.

Then back to SMAA. Newsflash: it doesn't do anything. Only the jaggies are slightly addressed. Everything else is exactly the same as having AA off. Still unstable, the temporal aliasing persists. What's the point of a per-frame spatial antialiasing method if 90% of the visible aliasing happens temporally due to the differences between frames?

This is the last post you get from me you retarded troglodyte. I imagine you'll just vomit some buzzword salad and continue seething at things you don't understand like the pavement ape you are.

it feels like graphics peaked somewhere around 2017-2018 in both visual fidelity and performance, ever since introduction of RTX cards games look like blobs of wax and run like shit

>>717676410
>You're wrong on SMAA here, though, given a large enough supersample ratio. Go play RE8 with supersample set to 8
You are talking about SSAA. SMAA has nothing to do with SSAA or MSAA, SMAA doesn't even have factors like 4x or 8x.
SSAA is very good, but expensive and not a catch-all solution.

>>717642991
>>717645105
It's because America is becoming less white. People with an average IQ of 80-90 can't really maintain a white society.

>>717642048 (OP)
Ghost of Tsushima also had ugly graphics too, but everyone was blinded by the grass fields and not paying attention at how low fidelity the environment was.

>>717646241
>Chinka
Lol

>>717642991
>why would they, they're not being paid for it
The boomer mindset in one sentence.

>>717674360
shouldn't be hard if you don't mind game size doubling or quadrupling. you will just need to blend the normalmaps and lightmaps between noon, dusk, etc.

probably better solution than current unreal niggerine 5

>>717642048 (OP)
I got a chance to buy an rtx 5070ti cheaper than msrp but I choked. I just didn't really know what to do with it. Play BF6, with the slide cancel shit? Nah. Cyberpunk? Already did. What else? Doom dark ages? Not my style.
Gave myself a break to think about it and now its super expensive. Dont really care im gonna go back to playing tamriel rebuilt til I find an actual genuine reason to upgrade.

>>717667640
I need a mod that improves things like level of detail and draw distance bad, that's the most dated aspect of unity

>>717645105
Yeah I'm a structural engineer, most of my colleagues are already incompetent. Be very fucking scared of walking over a bridge in the next 50 or so years.

>>717676710
My hungover ass read SMAA as "S"uper sa"M"ple AA oh geez

>>717677414
You got any TES3 graphics mods to recommend? I'm playing base game for the first time RN.

>>717646241
>all the seethe at this post
Americans really drinking that CIA propaganda kool-aid, I see

>>717642048 (OP)
games have too much bloat now
too many resources wasted on accessibility shit

>>717651520
Real fog doesn't start 5 feet from your face, nor is it indoors.

>>717677897
Ornitocopter's Morrowind Overhaul but it's considered blasphemous by morrowind purists. I just like it cuz it's a complete overhaul and easy one click setup.

>>717642991
Everyone in the industry is either a boomer looking to retire, a freelancer jeet contractor who doesn't give a shit, or a barely sentient IPad kid who can't do the work.

I suspect new software devs just throwing hardware bloat at problems.

>>717678746
Looks like shit, I can see why "purists" disagree with you.

>>717679134
Well there are plenty of other mods. What exactly are you looking for?

>>717676619
Bro i cant believe how easy it is to make triple A games. Just make the level horizontal and add epic sky which takes most of your screen, then add fog to blend in assets with sky color for realism. But somehow these guys still made it ugly

>>717679532
>Bro i cant believe how easy it is to make triple A games
When is your AAA game coming out bro?

>>717679324
that's not me (>>717677897) btw

I'll check out the Orimnthcopter mod, but just general models, textures. I like the gameplay & mechanics well enough

>>717679976
Orimnthcopter mod is only graphics and ambience. Its why I picked it for you. Have fun

the taa discourse has gotten to such a state that you have anons in this thread lauding fxaa and smaa for their crisp visuals and excellent performance in motion

>>717674908
What did the do wrong? Was advocating for hot black women in gaming but instead the studios turned around and made hideous black women instead.

>>717658220
>There is something very, very off with how the bark on the trees is lit.
If you really want to get autistic that looks more like coniferous bark

>>717642048 (OP)
Why are people getting stupidoorer each year?

>>717676917
I am glad you aren't a hypocrite. Let us think together, who invited the non-whites into the country? Certainly not greedy white rich people!? Elite Xisters, our response?

>>717674009
And who raised those generations?

>>717678073
The nation who controls the bigger drone swarm controls the world, huh? Something like that.

>>717678073
Drone tech is the biggest fucking cope in the world. Americans had top secret drone projects since the fucking 80s. You literally have no clue what America is secretly hiding in their pocket now, American military tech is always decades ahead the rest of the world.

>>717683498
Idk why you are mad, but yeah, it's old. Started in Iraq and then Arabs bought huge quantities and then they started to produce them, at least Iran did. If you think the USA is invincible, then it's safe to call you a moron. The us was never more vulnerable and it's ties (lol) to Israel were never easier to spot. They are dragging you down to hell and trump lost apparently all his brains and energy the last year or so. Was busy earning money, I reckon.

>>717653903
>using heavily modded ff7
cringeola

>the snoyim still trying to defend ghost of
heh

>>717642048 (OP)
>>717642991
>>717645105
https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

>>717671045
DS2 looks phenomenal, although it has quite noticable pop-in issues and some spots look very odd at a medium-long distance. The intro was cinema, but in-engine.

>>717671045

>>717683681
The President doesn't control shit stupid. Im mad because mouthbreathers think impressive drone displays are any sign of technologically advanced society, China can't even make a proper phone let alone something as advanced as our 6th gen fighter projects. And if you're really into crackpot conspiracies our military has reverse engineered extra terrestrial aircraft. Ive seen the "TR-33B" fly right over dugway proving grounds.

>>717642048 (OP)
Single word. NVIDIA. explanation : gpu makers push the devs not to optimize properly so you always need better hardware. Imagine if gtx 1080ti could do raytracing. Nobody would buy a new card

>>717642991
>tfw no sensei

>>717685978
Frostbite looks so fucking good even 8 years later and performs incredibly well. I don't know how the lads at EA and DICE do it.

>>717642048 (OP)
low-poly game is making a return.

>>717652730
>capeslop

>>717674009
Boomers sure love blaming millennials for the shit state of the world, while conveniently ignoring that they raised them.

>>717688942
Better than blaming everyone browner than you

>>717687974
>do it.
you mean "used to do it"

>>717642048 (OP)
>GOY

They know their audience well at least.

>>717652730
this game still blows me away. insane tech gods

>>717647220
>17% of the white population has 115 IQ or higher IQ
that feels so low and to top it off at least 50% of them are the most annoying golems you will ever encounter. grimmers

>>717642048 (OP)
Acronym: GOY

Sony ruined everything

>>717667851
youre a failure and you made a horrible, ugly game

>>717677201
The problem being they're paid the minimum, if the boss really wanted them to teach others then he would pay them more

>>717689540
lil bro fried his gpu

>>717689540
I tried the beta and the very first match I had a vertex explosion occur and couldn't see shit for a full minute. I uninstalled it after a few hours because it was just unfun. Also had to downgrade my NJudea drivers after being forced to update them because it somehow broke shader comp on a couple games I actively play.

>>717690226
>youre a failure
According to whom, a 4chan incel? You're beneath my sphere of sensitivity. I have no compassion for you and I ask for none in reciprocation.

>>717642048 (OP)
Indians.

>>717642991
>>717677530

The virgin cynic

The chad indefatigable who like the
Legionaire in Pompeii, died guarding his post while others ran and panicked in hysteria only to meet the inevitable same fate.

>>717646241
>>717664863
>>717667446
>He says while missing how every Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian leader has been assassinated in precision strikes so coordinated and accurate it makes a brainsurgeon blush. All while not losing an ounce of blood in said deception strikes

You mistake missle tech being so advanced that there's no reason to invest in anything else as a sign that America is too poor or too inept since they arent actively making some hyperadvanced autonomous hovertank or laser gun

>>717642991
not only that but there's dozens upon dozens of shortcut apps that do all the work for you, they pump all the default settings to max and then their game looks like blurry shit with characters having literal glowing halo's around their bodies

DLSS and FSR, framegen, it was all supposed to make this run better, not give developers another free pass for dumping as much lighting and particle effects as possible, because it RUNS FINE on their ultra computer
>running fine is
>30fps that stutters and dips below constantly, stutters in general do to loading dozens of files at once instead of streaming, shader compilation stutters, post processing out the ass making everything have a transparency, increasing the amount of ghosting the games have, with HUGE INPUT LAG and constant pop-ins despite being in 2025, where you think we would have solved shit popping in 20 feet in front of you

>>717668408
I don't believe jack shit about anything reported coming out from there. Why do you?

>>717667249
Basically this, graphics peaked with Arkham Knight, going further it's just dumb at this point, i don't need more than that.

>>717647668
They have a massive victim complex that doesn't even reflect reality.

>>717671532
>Go to china
No thanks.

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

>>717668408
Oh no! Not a large, immobile, and highly vulnerable target! What will we do?!
I guess China has won already...

>>717678073
Can you even see the stars at this stage Zhang Wei?

>>717691391
>DLSS and FSR, framegen, it was all supposed to make this run better, not give developers another free pass for dumping as much lighting and particle effects as possible
DLSS/FSR/FG was imagined as a way to tank the performance loss that happens when you use heavy graphical effects like raytracing at high resolutions. DLSS/FSR/FG was never imagined to be a crutch for struggling users, they only co-opted it because they try to co-opt everything. It actually doesn't work so well with low framerates or low resolutions.

>>717653661
How would the devs of Psychonauts know anything about characters looking bad?

>>717642048 (OP)
Unironically because of console, more so xbox with the S bullshit but both of them are to blame

>>717680740
>What did the do wrong?
>I hate giving gamergate men fuel
>Stops talking about the advocations

>>717688282
Honestly always say the that the gameplay,artstyle and music/ambience it's the key for a game success, i finished Actraiser 1, 3 days ago and i know it's pixelart and everything, but playing god and managing civilizations was fun, the music was great and the final boss was good. That's the key for a good experience in my book.

Midwits cannot comprehend that almost everything is multifaceted but most of them stem from greed.
it's DEI, outsourcing, talent leaving, consoles, standard engines, lack of care, etc.

>>717648106
>supposedly PLA soldiers going to Ladakh in 2020
>wearing type 07 camo
>when every frontline unit switched to Type 19 in 2019
>while wearing new recruit banners
Typical Jeet and Falun Gong propaganda.

>>717672574
you have the mind and soulf of a braindead subhumanoid street shitter

>>717691131
Israeli decapitation strikes were done using F-15Es, and could have been done using F-16As, they also have nothing to do with modern conventional wars

>>717651984
You're legitimately retarded if you believe this.

>>717689878
Only looks good because its night

>>717646241
>Ukraine operated very big and capable supersonic jet Strategic bomber fleet at one point.

when they were in the soviet union?

>>717651984
china has been trying to build an equivalent to the chinook for decades. they even tried bribing a taiwanese pilot a few years ago. these helicopters were designed in 50s.

>>717671532
>Before we dive into the benchmarks (via MyDrivers)

they literally source a chinese website. they didn't test them.

>>717642048 (OP)
Nvidia,AI,raytracing have fucked everything to the point devs are getting piss lazy and cutting corners,"Wow raytracing dynamic lighting! i can spend less time making a scene good now!"
>game runs like shit on current hardware
>need software work arounds to make it run decently
>less players buy the game because they cant run it
>game doesn't look that much better than games 10 years ago

>>717642048 (OP)
huge amounts of game production are compartmentalized and outsourced to third worlders now days, to the point most of a game may not even have been made by the actual studio its supposedly made by

>>717642048 (OP)
I read an interesting article in a film trade magazine at my dentist's office a couple moths ago. It was about how modern digital animation feels less real than digital animation did in the 90s/early 2000s. It's because nothing has any sense of momentum or mass. The article suggested that this is because earlier digital animators started out working with practical effects and stop-motion capture, and understood how physical objects behave and interact better. Newer animators have only worked with digital, and the lack of physical prop experience results in less natural looking animations, despite the fact that the animations are cleaner/more realistic. A low-quality but natural acting prop maintains suspension of disbelief better than a high quality prop that does not seem real.

>>717642048 (OP)
the more convenient technology becomes the less talented the artists become

>>717642991
>we have a culture that doesn't want to hand down the tricks & techniques they've learned over the years,
You mean a culture of young shits not being present to pass the baton to because they're already busy trying to prove themselves and go against the uncs of the world?

>>717694523
What? Hamas' leader was killed by a drone. And armaments and planes go through umpteen upgrades. These arent 60s missles lol

>>717683180
>stop pointing out immigration
>it's all the fault of white people
>especially rich white people
>we should kill all the rich white people and the white people
>but keep your hands off my immigrants
Anon?

>>717649302
>cp2077
i will never understand why people say this, cyberpunk looks bland and mid as hell

>>717642048 (OP)
Raytracing is stealing the entire performance budget for graphics solely because its faster to pump out than other types of manually tweaked lighting. Now games can't even afford to be rendered at 1080, let alone 4k.

>>717697812
[In unison] Dr. CIA, I'm CIA.

>>717702945
>Now games can't even afford to be rendered at 1080, let alone 4k.
I am rendering my raytraced games at 1440p. It's time move on from your rtx2060 amigo.

>>717687974
DICE was founded by graphics programmers from the demoscene for amiga. Demoscene is where you make very impressive graphics using many tricks (many that you have to invent yourself) for systems that wouldn't otherwise be powerful enough to display such graphics.
There are also categories for modern hardware, where you have to make a demo for pc that is 64kb in size but displays impressive graphics that seems like it wouldn't be possible to fit in 64kb. A lot of early game devs came from backgrounds like this.

>>717653526
Truly is. Or how many of the new games are so pixelated and they call it "pixel art" trying to hide their lack of funding or being lazy to make something decent. So very cringe too

>>717642048 (OP)
tldr - society and technology peaked around 2000
the elite have used superficial technology developments to pretend we are still progressing like we were but we plateaued decades ago and are now on a gradually sharp decline

Welcome to the end my friends
The sky has opened

>>717686056
>Im mad because mouthbreathers think impressive drone displays are any sign of technologically advanced society,
Kek.
>drones are high tech
I mean, it flies!!
>TR-33B
Interesting.

>>717667567
>In just 3 months, kids born AFTER Crysis released will be able to vote
>Fucking Prince of Persia and Ducktales game were as old as Crysis is today back when it released
>Since then we arguably regressed to games looking and playing worse while being less interactive but requiring ridiculously better hardware

>>717642048 (OP)
Because zoomers are retarded and they will buy the game anyways, same as game not being optimized at all because, once again, zoomers are retarded and wont question it and proceed to buy the latest GPU anyways.

>>717642048 (OP)
India
We need to start dropping aerosolized sterilizers on their entire population immediately before the entire world is crushed under the weight of their poo.

>>717688282
Is it any good?
>>717692972
Decent game, all time classic. There's a remaster or remake imho. Haven't touched it, as there's no reason to.

>>717646632
>Brain drain
It isn't brain drain when the publisher fires everyone in the studio and replaces them with H1B workers from India with fake degrees who use ChatGPT for everything
>lazy & self centered workforce
Game developers work the longest hours of any white color job by a huge margin. White devs aren't lazy, the streetshitters that replace them are.
>Shareholder profit maximizing
And when your petty short-sighted decisions to meet earnings forecast fall short you fire all your expensive veteran white developers and replace them with dozens of street shitters.

The solution is the eradication of the Indian race. That is the solution to a majority of problems the west is facing. That or we kill every person with any sort of wealth or power and replace them with people who care (and aren't indian).

>>717706334
What are you talking about?? Crystalized Indian brahma poo is the source of magic. You have to eat it!

>>717706536
That's not brain drain, lol

bot thread
propa thread
i know what you all are
all fields

>>717706670
Brain drain is when people willfully leave because they aren't getting what they need/want and move to a different country/market/job. These people are being forcefully displaced by kikes with pajeets.

>>717691131
yeah and that actually doesn't win them any wars
By the way maybe you should invent a technology that frees you from ZOG laughing my fucking ass off

>>717709435
How exactly do missles and drones free anyone from ZOG? When only zog governments can afford to make and buy em?

>>717706536
Don't worry my space (white) ghost bro, all of those genius straight white male developers will develop a banger game any time now.

>>717709893
They did. It is called Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 and it reminded me that good games can still be made.

>>717709936
Jaimie! Pull out the picture with the women!

>>717710042
>lead developer, composer and programmer is white
>white vision lead to success
>banana woman wrote it, white on inside yellow on outside.

>>717647668
>>717691615
>>717709893
What's with this brownie baiting around whites?
Whites invented electricity and computers, videogames exist thank to us. Shouldn't you be grateful for the standard of living we gave you?

>>717710421
Electricity is a natural phenomena and you can't define "white".

>>717646241
>*falls in sinkhole that spontaneously formed on the sidewalk*

>>717642048 (OP)
Graphics are amazing fuck off

>>717668516
And this is the reason why society is going to shit. Everyone becomes self-entitled and blame all ills of society on other people.

>>717645105
Outside of game development, it's by design from psychopaths controlling the world market to halt progress. The US government released in 2017 that they had reviewed 5700 inventions for suppression, patents that were made, approved, and immediately vaulted for "national security." Basically shit like newer more efficient versions of Ford's old ethanol fuel car engines, magnetic motors, cold fusion, free energy of any kind, anything that could undercut the oil grid or end any other parts of the debt system.
They'll milk you for every drop of blood they can with suboptimal systems and only when that sector is on the verge of collapse because things are unsustainable will they develop and sell the solution that they've had the whole time, but only a suboptimal version of it on a subscription-like service, making something designed to be cheap be as expensive as possible.

>>717677414
sex