Why was it so bad? Not even mods can fix this game.

Because it was yet another entry in Bethesda's corporate butchering of Fallout and they never made a genuinely good game in their whole existence. They only grew to have cult worship because normalfags apparently LOVE open world slop where they can just walk around and do mindless looting while high on weed.

>>717673628 (OP)
the scaled levelling is out of control in this game, i had to shoot a simple bandit TWICE in the head with a 50. cal rifle to kill him

>>717673628 (OP)
but it's a great game. I played through 3 times at 250+ hours. It was thoroughly enjoyable.

>>717673628 (OP)
Because you expected a fallout game.

>>717674151
I expected a game that didn't have massively retarded endings that give the player zero agency

>>717674475
I wouldn't know because I uninstalled it as soon as I got power armor.

>>717673628 (OP)
idk it was fun to watch people break it

I thought it was a fun game as a mindless "dungeon" crawl ala Skyrim. All of the companions suck with the exemption of Nick. I didn't care about a single person in the game if memory serves. Not only is it not a fallout game but it's a bad post apocalyptic game. Solid 6/10

I've said for years Bethesda doesn't create games, they create engines and modders so the rest.

All 3D Fallout games are slop anyway. Ironically, if I had to pick a favourite, it would be 76 (not solo).

>>717673628 (OP)
I can't really put my finger on why I disliked this game so much, having autistically played 3 and NV here are my 2 cents:
1) The weapon customization
New Vegas did it right, real mods for real weapons and reasonably real mods for laser weapons, etc.
4 is just ZANY WACKY WOOHOO TEN BULLETS AT ONCE WHO CARES
2) The aesthetics
They leaned way too hard into the weird bright candy-coated version of fallout when the game unironically benefits from the "anti-soul gas"
3) Meme Armor
It just isn't as cool as everyone thinks it is, the armor looks stupid and clumsy, the real appeal of the post-apocalyptic setting is a man, his wits, and his skin--don't ask me to elaborate I literally cannot
4) Music
Just missed the mark somehow, the older games had actual decent hand-picked soundtracks with some references to nuclear war, and 4 just has this obnoxious on-the-nose selection that feels forced
3 had music that you'd find in the jazz clubs in a big city area, and New Vegas had a good smattering of country western and jazz that complimented Nevada very well

honestly there's so much more i could write on but now i'm just blogging

>>717674997
>76
>not solo
You mean the jetpack power armor meta where people just jump around shooting gatling guns at each other and spamming food items? lmao

>>717673628 (OP)
>>717673904
>>717674151
>>717674475
>>717674580
Bandwagon haters

>>717674142
>>717674590
>>717674914
>>717674997
Actual gamers

>>717674142
You have Reddit. Stay there.

>>717675174
it's okay to hate on peoples' taste but don't be lazy and invoke Reddit when people just repost it here all day anyways

I usually force myself to play games that are considered 'popular' or decently known so I can keep up with gaming popculture. Fallout 4 is one of the few games I couldn't make more than 5 hours in. The AI is too jank coupled with the shooting having such shitty feedback. Every gun felt like I was shooting a cardboard cutout. You can bypass the shit combat in Elder Scrolls games with stealth archer build, but you can't do that in FO4

>>717675237
the combat in Skyrim is pretty decent though

>>717675237
Wait until you play 3/nv.

>>717675115
>76
>PVP
It seems that everyone hating that game either hasn't played it at all or only played it at launch.

>>717675148
>t.

>>717673628 (OP)
It was a Rust clone with a very shitty story, but some good hooks in the first couple of hours.
>>717675148
Faggot.

>>717675624
I worked with a kid who played it a couple years ago and he showed me the gameplay. I have no idea what the current iteration of it is now, but I have memories of said kid selling gatling guns to other kids using PayPal and making hundreds of dollars doing it.

>>717673628 (OP)
No skills no perks thus no skill and perk checks, I have no fucking idea why they remove them it's such a simple way of enhancing the roleplay and replayability which FO4 already lacks off. You can't write a good story then lean on the systems to carry your game even indie trannies know basic shit like this.

In typical bethesda fashion it has absolute dogshit writing and no reactivity

>>717675896
Honestly what were they thinking?
This is where 3D Fallout went from roleplaying game about guns elements to a generic Looter Shooter (TM)
They really gave it that Skyrim treatment

I hate how little content there is for most of the companions and after you finish their quests it seems like they don't really interject much during dialogue with other NPCs anymore. Cait is probably the worst offender imo, she legit has fuck all to say about anything ever. The heather mod has more content and dialogue than most of them.

>>717675642
/v/ every time you say something bad about a gacha or eastern game company
>NOOOOOOOOOOO LEAVE MY HECKIN WAIFU MICROTRANSACTION SIMULATORS ALONE
/v/ when you say something good about a western game company’s game
>YOURE JUST SHILLING FOR A CORPORATION

>>717675740
There's still that kind of shit for the postgame grinding autists but duping and thirdies made even the rarest items sell for 5 bucks on the secondary market. Still, this shouldn't concern the average players outside the rare instance where some meta cocksucker solos the server raid boss in 5 seconds before you even teleport there.

>>717673628 (OP)
Its fine.
Story is complete shit, but who plays a Bethesda IP for the story?
Gameplay is good. I like settlement building. I send all companions to hang out with preston and ignore them.
With mods it just makes it more of a survival shooter, which is fucking great. Especially since there are so few games in the genre outside of Stalker

>>717676443
I like singleplayer Fallout more and I'm willing to admit it's a personal bias. I don't like MMOs and I don't like MMO style gameplay, but beyond that I don't even have reliable internet to play 76 so it's irrelevant.

POINT BEING I'm happy you're having fun playing a video game :^)

>>717673628 (OP)
Dunno man I liked it. I love building and decorating bases though, it's what I always do in 3 and NV. Finding a house to make my own and decorate with all the unique weapons and items, a food area, medicine area, etc is one of my favourite parts of Fallout. Last time I played NV it was Orion Moreno's house after he moved out, playthrough before that was one of the lodges in Jacobstown, but my favourite was probably Prospector's Den.

So FO4 appealed to me with base building. Survival mode makes settlement building even better with how it encourages building up and connecting all of your settlements because no fast travel means limited access to loot storage, vendors, and doctors for curing diseases, and (to an extent) beds to sleep in. It does feel so good to finally get the vertibird signal grenades eventually though. Also adds an element of real danger with the lack of saving.

>>717676326
you can pretty much assume if it has tranime slop in it some faggot here is going to defend it no matter what sort of soulless gacha system is attached to it

Blizzard bent the knee and released WoW classic.
BioWare bent the knee and revealed to the world EA and shit management is why their recent games suck and are using BG3 as collateral to improve.

When - NOT IF - When Bethesda finally bends the knee to FNVfags what will it look like? FNV remaster? InXile Fallout game? An RPG focused spinoff? Firing Emil? Leasing out the IP?

>>717676326
>/v/ is one person
good morning sirs

>>717673628 (OP)
it was entirely a rebottle of newvegas
>hurr todd didnt even include ADS
>todd poaches a bunch of COD devs to make the gunplay better
and now we have hitmarkers because todd is insecure

>>717676658
lol Bethesda doesn't give a shit about "real" fallout fans. If obsidian didn't develop NV nobody would be talking about it like we do. Also they're a business. Teenagers into shooting and iconography like hurr pop boy and Nuka cola > my old fat ass

with mods it's still "pew pew" with your silent rifle like 80% of the time. That plasma smg was hilariously op, but super fun, especially with target tracking. But yeah the world building is beyond retarded, like not ignorable, and there's no nuance to anything so your just hamster wheel each playthrough till you get tired of sneak attacking raiders. Bethesda knows world building, but fails to ever put any progression in it so level 100 and level 20 pretty much feel the same.

>>717673628 (OP)
>survival elements
>but you can easily trivialize them through settlement building making the whole mechanic pointless
>the only loot that matters is junk items because of the settlement system
>economy is shit as caps are not needed whatsoever unless you really want some random ass legendary from NPC and even then all you need is a bunch of water purifiers that generate shitton of money easily
>legendary enemies
>the railroad
>like 30% of the perks are vats only so if you don't use it you are basically done with your build at the start of the game
>nuka world dlc
i could probably think of a few more but i don't wanna

>>717677012
damn FO4 really felt like a big beta test for Fallout 76

>>717676658
Sorry mate they're too busy working on the endgoodening of Starfield.

>>717673628 (OP)
>Why was it so bad? Not even mods can fix this game.

Settlements. Almost everything in the game revolves around the settlement building subsystem/minigame. Most of the loot you find is settlement materials, most quest rewards are settlement materials, most NPCs are there just to be recruited into a settlement. And if you're not severely autistic, you won't give a single shit about settlements. So the game is worse than empty: it's filled with irrelevant crap you have to actively ignore.

>>717673628 (OP)
it's the best game in the franchise

>>717677428

Bait doesn't work when the thing you say is so stupid no one could sincerely believe it.

>>717677582
If it comes out on Switch 2 I will buy it again.

>>717677428
No that's 3

>>717678117
No you won't.

A ruined desolate landscape is not an interesting setting for exploration. Fallout uses vaults to get around this but these barely exist in 4 and still suck. It also had the institute but that was like a more boring vault. Enemy variety is human, dead human, deathclaw, giant thing I think there are 3 total of in the game, sentry bot, larger human.

>>717677330
Settlements don't work with autism since building them causes enemies to spawn rather than pacifying an area. Minmax involves ignoring settlements.

>>717673628 (OP)
>try out Nuka World for first time
>plan on trying both routes
>open season doesn't clear raiders from reclaimed parks
>they also put their ugly shit everywhere
>I only find this out after reclaiming two parks and clearing a few saves
Fuck this DLC, man. I get to choose between living with a nagging annoyance in the back of my mind or losing ~10 hours of gameplay.

I liked Far Harbor at least
Story wise Fallout 4 is a wreck and I didn’t find myself caring for anything other than the companions (Mainly Nick and Curie) but I thought the actual gameplay was fun enough, I usually load it up once every couple months and enjoy my time with it but I can definitely see why people dislike it.

>>717673628 (OP)
It has a bad rep for a reason its when everybody could tell Bethesda stopped trying to write and that the only were interested it taking away role playing options and didn't want the players to be evil.

>>717680137
Every ending involves the main character doing something comically evil though

>>717679827
Nuke world is ass, and not offering two paths essentially guts the DLC.

>>717675291
Only if you mod it other wise its the combat is worse then oblivions.

>>717677084
Its still a beta there going to put out a update for the next season of there fallout shit show so they can make more of the fallout 4 mods not work. Bet is a fallout 4 creations update so they can rip off the whales more.

>>717680286
Yes and no that isn't really evil its just following other peoples demand. I'd also point out you can't tell them no for like any part of the main quest your more of a yes man then yes man.

>>717673628 (OP)
it doesn't play too different from most Bethesda games. I actually enjoyed it with difficulty mods.
Starfield however is irredeemable woke slop; this one really depresses me and I know Bethesda cannot be saved anymore.
Like, they didn't HAVE to make such a bad game but they chose to and it kills me.

>>717680137
This is due to voice actors. If you make dialogue options you have to pay for more dialogue.
AI will fix it.

>>717681961
>AI will fix it
Delusional.
The fix already exists, it's called not doing a voiced protagonist and it's also the cheapest option.

>>717673628 (OP)
Critically acclaimed.
Best selling fallout ever released.
Cope.
Seethe.
Dilate.

Todd won. New Vegas lost.

>>717681961
Mods on nexus involving the player getting new AI voice lines get taken down because the female VA threw a bitchfit on twitter. This amazing revolutionary modding tool is being smothered in the crib by seething low IQ redditors.

>>717673628 (OP)
It's sad that the armor pieces thing looks so terrible because it made sense of a post-apocalypse aesthetic and it would theoretically be cool when you get a whole set together if it actually looked OK

The writing being so incoherent was really frustrating. It literally just needs one person in a billion dollar company that cares, and Bethesda has Emil instead.

>>717673628 (OP)
>terrible art direction
>voiced protag
>boring main quest even by Bethesda standards
>not an rpg, just a streamlined survival sim
>has better gunplay but still not good enough to carry an action focused game
>everything you do is just an excuse to farm materials for the shitty base building and weapon building
Ironically a lot of these things are also what could have made starfield kino if they doubled done on the survival and crafting

>>717673628 (OP)
Bethesda lacks confidence with worldbuilding/story choices because it's not originally their IP. Seriously everything is ripped from the non-Bethesda games.
>FO3
Main quest: Yall liked the FO1 water shortage plot? We do that too. Yall liked super mutants? We got tons of them. Yall liked Enclave? They show up (for no reason).
>FO4
Yall liked the New Vegas looming battle plot? We got that, BoS vs Institute. Yall liked the side factions steering the plot like Mr. House? We got that with Minutemen/Railroad (Except ten trillion times more lame).

Meanwhile in TES they DO have confidence and don't just blindly copy existing stuff. Yall liked Morrowind and the dark elves? Lol fuck you the mountain erupted and they got invaded by the argonians. That confidence makes the games feel a hundred times more organic, which I found lacking in FO4.

also WTF was up with the Vaults? Even the FO3 ones were fun, but the FO4 ones were such worthless dogshit.Triggermen? Gunners?? It's so lame!

>>717673628 (OP)
as I said in your LAST thread
>>717616040

>>717681074
All of the endings involve at least one faction being completely wiped out, I would say that's pretty evil. The game doesn't give you the chance to end the institute's meddling with the people of the commonwealth aside from literally nuking the place and killing all of the kids too. Becoming the director is useless because you can't convince the institute to stop being pieces of shits without the subversion mod and it's lame.

>>717683281
>everyone who makes threads of a game are ackshuwally the same person
You don't seriously believe that, do you anon?

>>717673628 (OP)
why is every companion a moralfag i want to stab people in their sleep i want to murderhobo why would a post apocalyptic cage fighting drug addict have a problem with this

>>717683387
No, I choose to treat you as functional copies of the same retard, because there is no reason to assign any sort of individuality to faceless morons fishing for (you)s by reposting the same threads again and again and again.

>>717685312
>NOOOO you can't just talk about video games here
Good morning saar

>>717685478
>worthless bump post made out of panic and asspain
nearly lost your bait thread there

>>717685680
>all posts about video games are bait
Meds

>>717673628 (OP)
It's fun for an open world sandbox but not an RPG (it pretty much isnt one)
Voiced protag is absolute shit too and hopefully Beth never does it again

>>717683080
Bethesda isn't the same company it was 20 years ago. They don't have the same talent, the same spark, the same commitment that they had. They're all old/retired and replaced with low-wage bugmen or poos now who are wearing the skin of that old company.

If there's anything we've learned over the past 30 years, it's that game companies have a shelf life. Bethesda's was about 20 years and peaked with Skyrim. Everything since then has been progressively worse and there's not going to be a renaissance where they start shitting out masterpieces again. Just like an 80's rock band that set the world on fire, they soon burn out and then everyone forgets they exist, except for when they reminisce about how good they once were.

>>717685796
>asspain
what, you the same schizo desperate for attention from last thread or something?
crying STILL?
I already jingled keys enough.

>>717683080
I thought the thing with nuking Morrowind was probably Morrowind people trying to make it impossible for future Microsoft writers to ruin their work

>>717673628 (OP)
the story was too retarded, usually it was bland enough to insert your own narrative in it, but they crossed the line this time

>>717673628 (OP)
Expectations that New Vegas set where not met.
New Vegas took 3 and basically just improved upon it in every way. Better mechanics, RPG choices, factions, etc.
People expected something like New Vegas from 4.

We didn't get that. We got:
>dumbed down RPG mechanics and leveling system
>pre-defined MC that hampers RP
>voiced MC that hampers MC and Dialouge choices
>botched faction system that is nowhere near as good as New Vegas
>a new setting and characters that are all incredibly boring
>a shitty settlement/base building system
>improved gunplay and physics
>improved scavenging and weapon/armor crafting system
>improved Power Armor

Mods in all Bethesda games can fix any gameplay issues, but they can not fix issues with the World design, story, writing, or main quests.

>>717685950
>muh last thread
Again, meds.

>>717686495
It's funny when you look at Starfield and realise that it's pretty much a straight downgrade from FO4, which itself is a straight downgrade from NV.

>>717673628 (OP)
Barring the bad writing, because people who like this game don't care...
The scrap mechanic and crafting systems.
The entire game had been reworked around the collection of junk. Weapon damage has numbers that are way too big for a fallout game and feel like borderlands guns (weightless and insignificant) because you need room for endless upgrades. Then you have radiant quests, legendaries, and settlements in place of interesting sidequests, unique rewards, and strong locations.

Fallout 4 is built on pumping out the most cookie cutter experience as hard as possible so that the game seems much more full than it is. In truth it is just a time sink with mediocre at best gunplay and controls. It is a game made of filler about garbage.

>>717673628 (OP)
Mods can fix the game. There are just better games except while fantasizing post apocalypse, North Eastern United States.
In VR tho.

>>717678342
Remaster it and I will buy it again.

>>717688454
I would jizz in my pants if they remastered 3, and explode if they did that and NV.

>>717688331
Mind making a suggestion?

I really dislike this game
That is all

>>717676714
Might as well be with how many cookie cutter responses you fags use

>>717673628 (OP)
What's bad about it? I play it mostly on vanilla, save for a mod that replaces the music with Borderlands 2 music.

>>717688552
fuck New Vegas

>>717678386
I like exploring the ruined land and city but there just isn't anything to find beyond garbage and generic loot. Really hate their epic legendary rare iten system.
Discovering that the glowing sea extended beyond the square map was the only truly memorable moment.

I haven't played this game in several years. Haven't modded any game in about as long.
Any actually good mods left that are a necessity? Didn't keep up with the nexus mods stuff but I know they scalp anyone like reddit for anything that's not their doctrine.

>>717683080
I don't even remember any vaults except that dogshit dlc I guess. Did the MQ take you to one for a macguffin or something?

>>717686868
Why do people say this specifically about Bethesda Fallout but not the countless games like it in other games or even indie titles? People liked Fallout 4 because it mixes light RPG mechanics with what would just be a lootershooter survival Rust game. It living up to the Fallout title or FNV should be irrelevant in its credentials as a game

>>717690717
You rescue Nick from an unfinished Vault full of 1920's prohibition era gangsters, which is somehow way lamer than it sounds. I think that's the only mandatory one, there are a few others but they always just amount to a mostly regular Vault full of Gunners. FO3 and New Vegas were far more imaginative and interesting with theirs

>>717677330
I don't know why Bethesda loves settlements so much? That trash was also in Starfield another awful game

>>717690963
>lootershooter survival rust game
Not really, it's a shitty base builder on par with farmville in 3D at best with a crappy shooter. You don't get excited for finding adhesive and screws because they do not directly help you make anything enjoyable, it's more of a chore to get them. People say it about bethesda games specifically because game development is genuinely hard for them because their engine is shit. Second, it didn't need the rpg mechanics to be light. It could have made the effort to be a good and true RPG like the other games. The only reason it has light RPG mechanics is because the company and devs decided to abandon the old style of gameplay under the impression that normalfags are too retarded to like games that are good. Fallout 4 sold off recency and hype, and stays alive via being more moddable and having so many flaws to fix. They say it because it didn't need to be a bad game. The devs consciously chose to make it worse.