Dark Souls invasion UI is Despite "invasion" being a popular gamemode, Dark Souls has by far the absolute unusable trash, and it's time somebody starts talking about it. The only indication of where I can invade is the item not being grayed out. Who knows how the targets are selected?
>hurr durr if you go to reddit and read 3 pages of articles they actually datamined it
No, fuck you. Put it in the actual game.

But that's not the biggest problem, pick basically ANY game with an invasion game mode. Doesn't even have to be good, watch dogs, dying light, sniper elite 5, fucking resident evil 6... In any of those games, you can look for a lobby on a random tuesday and get a match within a minute or so because the requirement is just "someone around your level is playing the game". I played fucking DEATHLOOP which has double digits of players on steam and i got to play the multiplayer just fine. Meanwhile, despite being a very popular series, you seemingly can't play invasions in any of the older dark souls games because instead of the requirement being "someone above your level is playing the game" it's "someone above your level is in a specific area with your humanity" which is just fucking retarded. Not only that, but the only people that will put up with all this bullshit are sweaty tryhards that minmax their character and have 1000s of hours and intentionally keep their characters at level 1 so they can pubstomp new players, most normal people see that and turn invasions off.

1/2

>some pajeet having bad connection is Fromsoftware's fault, look at this collage of webms I stole
brownoid
>I can't undestand level based matchmaking
low IQ

2/2

In elden ring they almost fixed this, but it's like they're committed to their games *almost* being good because for SOME REASON you need to be in coop to be invaded in that game.
NOT ONLY THAT, but the entire system is balanced around combat looking like webm related. Anyone who has played any other game looks at this and goes "what the fuck?". Every move has to be predicted because you're playing on like a full second delay. It's deranged. Maybe it's okay for like Demon Souls, but it's been 13 years. Maybe try to fix it at some point? Or not, /v/tards will eat this slop anyway apparantly. Elden Ring sold 23 million copies and it still acts like this.

Based on all of the above, I can honestly say, the dark souls series is worse than watch dogs and death loop, and that's barely hyperbolic.

>>717748885
>having bad connection is Fromsoftware's fault
this is a networking issue, if it was 1 guy's poor connection then it wouldn't happen every single time on a fiberoptic cable
>you criticise something that means you le don't understand it xd
fromsoftards are the biggest idiots on the board, maybe second to morrowindfags, you actually can't fucking read. watch what I said:
>instead of the requirement being "someone above your level is playing the game" it's "someone above your level is in a specific area with your humanity"
What part of this is me "not understanding" the concept? I'm not even criticising dark souls invasions for being level based, I'm criticising them for being location based you absolute moron.

>>717748885
>actually the game isn't bad it's just that 99% of the community is from rural india running these games on their mom's laptops
kek you actually thought this makes the series look better?

dark souls is a series that refuses to improve
if there's a mechanic that doesn't work in a previous game, it MUST stay in because it's "part of the charm"

just play the game bro

>>717749869
is this supposed to look good?

>>717748713 (OP)
>popular

most people play offline to avoid it.

>>717750010
yeah.

>>717750061
i guess it's popular among /v/ shitposters, i'm not saying you're wrong but if someone said "name a game with invasion multiplayer" dark souls would be most normies' first pick I reckon

>>717749074
>>717749269
>>717749686
Works on my machine, pajeets

>>717750073
>>717749869
explain why he goes to some shitty looking menu after every dodgeroll

explain why there is a menu to pick up a shield open at the bottom of the screen for the entire fight

>>717748713 (OP)
>Dark Souls invasion UI is Despite "invasion" being a popular gamemode
Stopped reading here. If your first sentence is this bad then I'm not reading a wall of ESL text.

>>717748713 (OP)
DS1's netcode was actually the best in the series. It had its issues but generally if you hit something, the hit would be registered.
From DS2 onwards it became pure shit for some reason. DS3 had the best invasion RULESET but they ditched it in ER which has by far the worst.
Seamless fixes a ton of issues though.

>>717749869
>>717750073
dog 3 is such an abomination...
vgh...

>>717750250
>he
SHE
>explain why he goes to some shitty looking menu after every dodgeroll
habit and i'm always trying to look for a read parry swap
>explain why there is a menu to pick up a shield open at the bottom of the screen for the entire fight
?

If it wasn't already obvious that From software abandoned their interest in the Invasion mechanic from Dark Souls 3 onwards, I don't know what to say.
It's in their games out of obligation, and they would gladly remove it entirely if it didn't guarantee a loss in sales (i.e. the Publisher is demanding it stay).

Duskbloods might be their actual first time genuinely addressing Souls PvP from a fresh perspective since DS2

>>717750395
>From DS2 onwards it became pure shit for some reason
No retard, it actually mens hits are registered on the receiver side. And quit stealing webms

>>717750419
>?
see >>717749869
why does it say "oak sield plus five" at the bottom of the screen for the entire fight? can SHE not just press A? does SHE not like being able to see shit?

>>717750503
>abandoned their interest in the Invasion mechanic from Dark Souls 3
DS3 had by far the best, most fleshed out and balanced invasion system in the entire series. It introduced weapon matchmaking to curb some twinking issues, it allowed solo invasions (with a reasonably long cooldown but there's STILL enough people to invade in DS3 constantly thanks to this even now), it added two actually functional area invasion covenants that are still populated to this day.

Elden Ring though? Fucking garbage, and i'm saying this as someone who has played the game extensively.

>>717750541
>it actually mens hits are registered on the receiver side
Hits registered on the receiver side perfectly in DS1. All weirdo synchronization issues started with 2 and they were absolutely fucking bizarre
And those are my webms, assmad tard

>>717750547
i ce spawned that
i didn't noticed i was too locked in ig

>>717751017
in english please

>>717751017
>>717750403
sad. i deleted all my elden ring clips.

>ESL wall of babble
>hates Fromsoft
every time

>>717750665
>DS3 had by far the best, most fleshed out and balanced invasion system in the entire series

You're very wrong.

DS3 started the trend of forcing invaders into gank squads by default, which was the beginning of the end.
This instantly makes invasions one-dimensional, and funnels invaders into friend groups which neither the invader nor hosts should be doing (this then became the defacto standard of Elden Ring, killing environmental PvP in that game).
This in turn forces certain invader builds that are either A. One-shotting the host (boring), B. AoE insta-kill with stuff like Morne's Hammer (kinda fun, also unviable before they remembered Poise is required for the combat to not be dogshit) or C) the mildly fun experience of camping Carthus Catacombs at SL 42 and insta-gibbing people across the map with Soul Stream - this was considered SO fun, in fact, that From dutifully nerfed the spell into uselessness later on.
I mention Carthus since it also had the Indiana Jones bridge you could break, I also mention this because this novel idea of environmental dangers that Invaders can use is applied in one area and then nowhere else :))))) (game design is doing one cool thing once and then not applying it at all to anywhere else in the other 20 areas in the game) - this also applies to the series as a whole because PvP was never iterated on ever at any point, every possible cool idea or mechanic was used once in one game and NEVER (never) reincorporated again at any point.

On top of this they then ALSO give hosts an item that removes 90% of environmental danger by making enemies agro onto Invaders, which has nearly no conditions and is super powerful. The only reason DS3 PvP even functioned was because of the Madman Covenant (abandoned in ER, because remember, NO iteration) and because the Aldrich invasion zone was next to a duelling spot. About 85% of PvP happened in this zone, which is fucking lame. DS3 fucking sucked in every department, dude.

>>717751162
>fromdrone
>can't read

>>717751086
when i was rkss dueling someone i realized i didn't have etheral so i can regen. when i lost i used cheat engine to spawn the shield but somebody invaded me while i was spawning the item, and i was so focused fighting that i forgot about the popup.

>>717750419
even in this webm that's supposed to make the game look good, the hits connect like a second or two after the sword goes through the enemy

>>717751565
its not really a problem. you're really looking at things that's so Miniscule. if you want you can just download a third party software to monitor your opponent's connection with you and disconnect them if they have go past 250 or something. and its not a bo9. who cares lol

>>717751457
>Game is bad because I have to offset numerical disadvantage instead of playing gay dueling at the Iron Keep bridge
Worthless retard
>>717750898
>Hits registered on the receiver side perfectly in DS1
No they didn't, faggot.
Getting pulled into backstabs happened exactly for that
The netcode improved massively for this reason alone that you can't get hit by stuff you can't see

>>717751912
>blindly throws pots point blank
Jesus fuck why are you even posting this wet embarrassment

>>717751912
>Getting pulled into backstabs happened exactly for that
And here's your precious DS2+ netcode

>invaderniggers are cheaters
wow, what a revelation

>>717753032
another criticism that should've been in the OP is that in souls games it's basically impossible to get someone banned
I legit don't even know if there's a way to report someone

>>717748713 (OP)
the worst thing about it is simply the net code. from are big business now but still cheap out on shitty servers that permit phantom hits. there's a reason why thrusting weapons have been meta at some point in every souls game, they massively benefit from phantom range.

>>717748713 (OP)
Elden Ring has the worst invasion no contest
>it can ONLY happen when your opponent outnumbers you
>Worse, hosts fill their lobbies with their gay lovers every time, so gank squads only
>Unless of course they use the item that enables 1v1 invading but LOL no one is going to do that
>Open fields/spaces out THE FUCKING ASS so most fights are extremely kitey and turtley, especially if someone is using magic or ranged

>>717751565
>>717753283
github com/tremwil/DS3ConnectionInfo
for elden ring if you're not on seamless
github com/tremwil/SteamP2PInfo
>>717751457
fact: gank cat and mouse pontiff is what made invasions fun.
trailing a shitter through a level and only engaging whenever they're occupied with a mob or they're significantly lower health than you is neither fun nor skillful
>>717753032
>>717753113
i want to pvp not farm items. and
if you're on pc and you don't have a table even the tga one? you're pretty stupid i think. it's just more convenient ie. pontiff top teleport, change your pov so you can find the host better, disconnect or pc nuke for cheaters. using ce is not really a big thing and you can pretty much notice immediately if they changing their speed or altering their stats maliciously.

>>717753438

>>717753438
even on a connection that otherwise felt good I still feel incentivised to roll thrusting attacks that I know I am out of range for and have spaced, you just can't risk it. to give a specific example the gotthard twinsword rolling L1 wreaked havoc back when DS3 was the current Souls game. even just parry it wasn't a good solution because a knowledgeable player would intentionally empty roll into you to bait parry attempts and mix up when they actually went for the attack.

>>717753319
Yeah i wasn’t a fan of Elden ring pvp and i been playing souls as an invader since 1. It just wasn’t fun. The arenas were nice but by that point i didn’t give a fuck anymore

>>717753517
>>717751508
>>717750419
>dedicated multiplayer games out there like for honor
>instead of playing that, cheat in a singlaplayer game only to wait 20 minutes between matches just so he can have a minute long game of rolling around and choosing between 2 attacks, with a 1,5s delay due to shit netcode
is this autism? retardation?

>>717752391
The netcode of Shart Souls 2 being shit has nothing to do with that, making attacks register receiver side was a great change. Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring netcodes are in fact a massive improvement and the only issue is that it doesn't kick pajeets with 3 billion ping

DS1 with DS3's backstabs would have the best PvP. Sadly, we have to cope with DS3 dueling, which is still pretty good.

>>717753319
>Unless of course they use the item that enables 1v1 invading but LOL no one is going to do that
Nah duelniggers are even worse because they stack all the advantages they humanly can before luring invaders in

>>717753319
I do use the Taunter's tongue, but then you people bitch and moan about muh tryhard host using great roons and this>>717754660 even when I just stand in an open field with not interferences.
Truth is you reds are sore cunts who hate when you find out you're nowhere as good as you think you are.

>>717754660
Any duelist worth his salt joins rooms himself to forgo the 30% health bonus. Luring invaders to farm them as a duelist is frowned upon, especially if estus is used. Nearly every buff is fair game, but only faggots use tears of denial.

>>717754206
ds3 is the only souls game that i still try to strafe on 150+ms, and dude when you're facing somebody with a ps gotthard and they roll its pretty much 68% they're going to do the roll poke.
its so predictable.
>>717754330
its hard to really showcase it with a webm because they would be so long but i find the cat and mouse in the mud really fun. idrc about fair fights. i become satisfied when i win when the stack is against me. it something all those games don't have
>>717754660
you are real not bitching about honor duels lol.
>>717755120
who invades without tears lol.there's a script on ce to turn embers off to all players. i can send you the script i have if you want.

>>717748713 (OP)
Git gud

>>717749686
>refuses to improve
Retard, it is already top notch
You have some shitty connection on NAT 3

>>717748713 (OP)
Are you complaining about QOL in a game that sells on being esoteric and hard?

>>717755739
There's a rope that you can use to kill yourself. I can mail one to your house for free.

>>717751565
The beauty of this netcode is that when your opponent hits you there is zero latency, this means you don't have to preemptively dodge as you would on a dedicated server. Everything related to your character's defense is snappy and great, this puts it over most fighting games I'd say.

DaS2 best pvp, that is an irrefutable truth. I can still perfectly hear the orgasmic sound of a running lance attack plowing through a host and sending them flying off a ledge with the final hit.

>>717756172
no way you're this mad over ds3 pvp
seriously add me on steam lol
we can play if u want
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199790724857

>>717755739
>who invades without tears lol
We take trades in this household. You use tears, you get ganked.

>>717754893
>but *I* have used it, so that means people by and large DO use it!
someone using an exception to try and disprove the rule is the most standard of standard litmus tests to identify themselves as double digit IQ. Mensa's definitely not missing out on any gems here.

>>717756589
truth nuclear bomb, shame about soul memory though

>>717757321
You fail to see the bigger picture here, people did and still do use the taunter's tongue in ER, but reds are so fucking insufferable they do their best to dissuade the rest of the community to even consider engaging with the system.
Make no mistake ER invasion framework IS dogshit, but it's something reds brought upon themselves after a good decade of being faggots.

>>717748713 (OP)
I play all Souls games offline and I have never wanted to be invaded.

oh wow meta pontiff webms, 5$ says its some mentally ill guy (tranny) dont even need to watch more than 1 webm

invasions were cool back in the day and its still somewhat active outside the "im too bad for other games i need to be able to use cheats all the time" le hardcore pvper bubble in all the games. i didnt have an issue finding invasions at all when i tried a while ago. maybe you just live in some remote country.
captcha: ds2ah

>>717757531
Didn't new game+ axe/nullify that feature?

>>717748713 (OP)
>>717748885
the netcode is bad

>>717758731
>i didnt have an issue finding invasions at all when i tried a while ago. maybe you just live in some remote country.
my brother is a ps5 owner, i thought i'll play the demon's souls remake since that's one of the like 3 exclusives to that console, couldn't get ONE invasion to trigger no matter what I tried, granted i must've given up after like 2 or 3 hours of activating that dumb rock every time I entered a new area because I found the text flashing at the bottom of the screen annoying, I also went to the first bossroom (phalanx), turned the rock on then went to make dinner and when i was back it was still searching for a match


and once again, deathloop has double digit player numbers globally and you can still get an invasion going nearly instantly

>>717759043
I'll let you in on a secret, soul games die online a year after they've been out. If you want souls pvp you're gonna have to find a fight club

>>717759258
expalin to me why the most talked about invasion system on /v/ (so I assume everywhere gaming related) dies so quick, when random games nobody cares about can live on for years? is it shilling?

>>717759439
As it turns out, people are all talk. Sure you may have your odd 1000 assholes playing elden ring. But said assholes are separated with 100 matchmaking layers.

Everyone loves the hit sensation, then it stops being relevant and they head back to marvel rivals, fortnight, and all those other guilty pleasures.