you see this ? this is superior to stock in every way on soldier, it takes 2 bussiness days for stock to fucking start firing, i need to shoot NOW when the enemy is low

i could never ever take off my gunboats
i am a movement addict

stock's better if you're further away because the pellets on the sides won't hit and the rest of the pellets have less damage but otherwise yeah it's good
>>717937920
as a scout the only things i fear are shotguns on non-engineer classes so i fully support your decision

I prefer the older version. It was "impractical" and counter-productive in design, but god damn it I fucking loved unloading 6 shells in a volley

>>717937808 (OP)
It's trash for mid-range damage

>>717937808 (OP)
i miss the sneeze gun

>>717938580
this. finishing off enemies at a sliver and watching them rage is always worth stock

>>717938407
Valve should really have asked themselves why they didn't just make a new gun. If the answer was that they didn't think the new panic attack was worth adding a new gun for then that had their answer for whether it would be a good change to begin with.

>>717938165
>>717938580
>But stock does
Nope.avi

>>717943567
>posts image where the same amount of pellets hit the target for both shotguns while one of them has a damage penalty
thanks for agreeing?

>>717943696
The heavy is there to give you a sense of how fucking far away you'd have to be to start "missing" News flash, you're already doing chip damage at that point.
It literally does not fucking matter, the panic attack was remade into a straight upgrade and the tard it was made for was too stupid to even actually use it.

>>717943696
oh no no no no

>>717943870
>7 pellets hitting on a normal shotgun
>chip damage
hehe

>>717937808 (OP)
Haven't used this weapon in years, but I'm gonna start using it again. You fuckers better be right.

>>717943870
>the tard it was made for
They made a weapon for one particular guy?

>>717944187
Yes making a shotgun a fixed spread upgrade was done for one particular retard

for soldier? no.
soldier has the rocket launcher at close range which does basically the same damage while being laughably easier to hit.
in general, soldier uses his shotgun as either a finisher tool or as a combo tool for synching with rockets. the panic attack sucks at doing those for the most part because of its absolutely garbage damage past close-range.
It's much better for engineer and pyro because engineer has the pistol for mid and long range and can reserve any shotgun use for point blank and pyro because he's already close-range and the switch speed makes it great for comboing with the flamethrower.
for heavy, I guess it could be map dependent. A heavy in your face who can do 100+ burst damage is very dangerous for most classes, but the stock shotgun or family business are better because most maps are very open and heavy has no way of gap closing.

>>717944270
source?

>>717939537
Same. I'll never forgive compniggers for ruining my favorite wacky gun

>>717944282
Feels like a waste to use Panic Attack on Engie when he gets options like Rescue Ranger, Frontier Justice and Widowmaker, which are much more interesting and make use of his unique mechanics

>>717944282
>soldier has the rocket launcher at close range
you're missing the point, shotgun is faster then loading a 5th rocket (this is why both upgraded shotguns are faster to switch), it doesn't kill you at point blank, and it does extreme emotional damage to gay furry pyro mains instead of actually engaging in their little minigame of aiming my shots to go around airblast

if you have a medic that's actually good or a god at rocket jumping banner or boots are way better but soldier shotgun is comfy

>>717939537
>>717944375
It's a travesty is what it is
Motherfuckers took the fun away and what do we get?
A flamethrower for single targets that does worse single target than the shotgun
and by extension worse damage than this.

>>717944282
>panic attack sucks on soldier because he combos
I've had the opposite experience, I can't tell you how many killstreaks I've been able to extend with my panic attack after I shoot all 4 of my rockets, or how many sentries I've been able to finish off with it, both directly because of the faster swap speed. It's an incredible combo tool and backup weapon on Solly. Plus it combos really well with the black box if you want/need to use that in certain situations.

>>717944958
>shotgun is faster then loading a 5th rocket
even with the stock shotgun it's faster to switch and shoot than it is for waiting to fire another rocket.

>Market Gardener
>Gunboats
>Direct Hit

yep, it's 2fort time

>>717937808 (OP)
stock shotgun is the most OP gun in the game, it amazes me how many people suck with it.

>>717945045
Exactly. Fun-policing nerds saw one guy having too much joy with a wacky gun and decided it was time to turn it into a wet napkin. Panic Attack used to be a clutch king-pumping out damage in a panic flip-switch moment that rewarded quick thinking. Now it’s just a soggy starter pack weapon that barely registers unless you're tickling someone's kneecaps at point blank. Nerf culture poisoned the well.