Thread 717940670

>kernel access
>it's ok if Valve does it!

>gambling for children
>it's ok if valve does it!

what the fuck is that pic

>>717940851
>gambling is le bad because i stopped before i became rich
retard. you deserve to lose money.

>>717940670 (OP)
user programs have no right to fuck with kernel programs
that's completely backasswards

>>717940943
>you lost all your money on gambling? should've just had more money and kept gambling until you won retard
KEK

>>717940670 (OP)
It's not.
What should it need kernel access?

>>717941269
how else will Gabe backdoor your PC for his Bitcoin mining

Afterburner just werks for all my games Steam or not

>>717940670 (OP)
>every single recreational app has kernel access hamfisted into it over the span of six months
>THIS IS NORMAL! LEAVE THEM ALONE! LEAVE CORPORATE ALONE!
That's the brain of terminally domesticated turbofaggot-hypernigger debtcattle on botched eugenics via mystery goo injections and social misengineering via the e-grifting of parasocialites and digital daycare-botfarm, powered by predatory, usurious system of incentives run on worthless magic paper willed into existence ex nihilio -- in whatever quantities necessary to bully shills into submission in the past (debt), the present (credit) and the future (interest) -- in the post-communist and post-capitalist, performatively nihilist purgatory that is [current year] Clownworld.

>>717941502
>performatively and competitively nihilist*
Pardon me, debtcattle.

>>717941502
me agre with bg words

>>717940670 (OP)
all OSD software needs this in order to work

just keep a thermometer in your PC is that so hard?

>>717940670 (OP)
>on Windows
lmao

>>717941636
>me agre with bg words
Verbosity is appropriate for the expression of fatigue.

gaben will have kernel level access to your brain soon

>>717940670 (OP)
ooooh
the gamer's insane fear reaction to hearing the word KERNEL vs the gamer's incessant need to suck gaben dick
which will prevail?

>>717940670 (OP)
>opt-in to a feature
OH NO HOW COULD THEY DO THIS HOW AWFUL!

>>717940670 (OP)
>>717941056
what else can they do with that level of access?

>>717942087
Joke's on him, I don't have a brain.

>>717942181
*opts out*
>1 year later find out you were automatically opted in at some point for reasons

>>717942181
The feature is enabled by default and needs to be manually de-activated.

>>717940851
>I watched the Coffeezilla video and am now an expert

>>717941502
Welcome back Francis E Dec, we need you now more than ever

Gaben simped for AI, Gaben simped for kernel access, Gaben spent all your money on a bunch of shitty yachts and yet /v/ fellates him to no end.

How does he do this?

>>717940851
Bad parenting shouldn't be a reason I stop getting free gameplay updates funded by cosmetics.

So it isn't mandatory? Why are we bitching about this?

>>717942087
The nose is responsible for memory I know because I smelled my shit every day for 6 years

>>717942757
This outrage was sponsored by Epic Games

>>717941675
I use linux so this isn't an issue.

>>717940670 (OP)
I don't care as long as it's opt in. If retards want to give greedy soulless companies access to their PCs, that's on them. If it's by default and you have to disable it though, that's a problem worth fighting back on.

>>717941269
It doesn't need to control anything, it does need to have access to system output. Though frankly, the easier thing would be to integrate as Valve does with MangoHUD (on SteamOS) and let that pull that data rather than Steam doing it directly. MangoHUD is FOSS after all.

I installed linux

>>717940670 (OP)
>disingenuous faggot
one word : optional

>>717940670 (OP)
Who cares, only troons with terabytes of CP on their computers give a fuck about shit like this

>>717940670 (OP)
lol what ????

>>717941675
That isn't so bad. I'd argue you should definitely set it to off by default, rather than on by default. That's the only issue.
Also laffin that Linuxfags are fine. I swear if I was still a tinfoil I'd say Gaben did it on purpose to capitalize on everyone's paranoia with the recent Safeboot shitstorm and drive them to Linux.

>>717940752
Effpeebeepee

>>717941675
>works on Linux without direct kernel access
Lmao git fucked winjeets

It's just lm-sensors, which polls i2c data for CPU temperatures. The kernel module it uses has been around for 20+ years and has shipped with every Linux distribution for just about as long. It's about as dangerous as having read-only access to the top level of /proc, i.e. not at all.

>comment section dickriding gaben "in steam we trust"
kek

>>717944094
>It's just lm-sensors
for now....what's next ? If you havent noticed valve kneeling to credit card companies

>>717940670 (OP)
why they need this when a fucking 25yo 10mb executable does that for free

>>717941675
How can you reach this article in the steam client, if it's even possible?

>>717940670 (OP)
werks without kernel access on my linux system

>>717940670 (OP)
Is kernel access the new boogyman for tech illiterate retards? Ever ran HWInfo to check your temps or any software by any company that requests oh idk, ADMIN rights to run? Well guess what, every time you run something with elevated permissions, you are giving literal garbo access to run and do whatever it wants on your pc. The same people who are screeching about kernel are the same ones that don't know what they let software have access to or have the ability to let do to their computers.

>>717945845
>How can you reach this article in the steam client, if it's even possible?
open client
click the horn that says "view news from steam" at the top (next your account and notification bell)
click the circle x to close the new feature thing (right now its better trailers)
you're now at the steam news hub
scroll down and read whatever you need to know

>>717947809
and click on the left on 'steam official' if you just need to narrow stuff down to just steam updates (i don't know how much you have personalized it)

>>717947809
>>717947912
Only stuff I'm seeing there is about the steam deck, not about the bits that talk about the kernel access temp thing.

>>717947356
people are also just forgettign that windows is actual just malware too so idk why anythign with kernal level access is going to make much a difference anyway

>>717947356
Running something with admin isn't the same as kernel access you mong.
It's not even comparable either, so you can't just argue
>Well it's giving access anyways, just different tiers!

>>717947356
Kernel level anti cheat implies scanning the whole memory which I assume leads to a constant performance cost because it would work like an antivirus. Also if the driver isn't implemented correctly it can lead to the whole system crashing requiring a reboot so being careful about what you put into the kernel is common sense.

>>717948507
Retard, if a company wanted to do actual harm to your computer or spy on you they wouldn't need kernel, they'd have you click yes to run something elevated and before you know its already ran power shell, changed the registry, installed various other shit through power shell, made exceptions for their software within windows and more. So yes retard everything people are worried about when they think what happens when they allow something to run at kernel level, is the same shit that can happen to them regardless of what layer it runs. Don't pretend there is any other concerns from the sheep masses other then, but muhhhh privacy, and while at any other time this is a valid complaint, these are the same retards running windows.

>trusting CIA backdoored silicon to report correct temps
Real men use analog solutions

>>717941065
Yes. Skill issue, brown turdworlder.

>>717945845
>>717947809
>>717947912
>>717948050
It's not on the Steam news page anymore, it's communicated through Steam group events these days.
Mouse over Community, click on Discussions and then click on "Steam Client Beta" (see screenshot.) Once there, click on Events and for that specific article click on the August 8th one.

so how about that VAC

>>717940670 (OP)
Who are you quoting?

>>717940670 (OP)
>you can disable it
So it's just like every other kernel access program we bitch about, so it's a literal nothing burger... wait what do you mean everything else doesn't allow you to do that?

>>717941675
>>717943976
So you're saying Linux is less secure because anything can just run at that level?

>>717951212
No that's not what either of them are saying techlet

>>717951212
>querying CPU temperature poses a security risk

>slap giant cooler on CPU
>never worry about temps after verifying they're within operating ranges

>>717942440
Don't you have to turn on the performance overlay in the first place?

>>717941502
Francis E Decpilled.

>>717951816

Yeah I don't get the need to constantly monitor temps. Either you having a cool problem or you don't. I may pop in every few weeks/ months to make sure everything is still showing good, but only to make sure I don't have a failure of some sort.

>>717942649
he spent his first dollar wisely

don't other programs that monitor temps and other performance stuff also need kernel access

>>717953403
Programs don't even need kernel access to spy on you. Most malware doesn't even use kernel access. The anti-kernel access hysteria was just started by cheat makers because it affects their business negatively.

>>717941502
wonderful post

>>717953698
>Programs don't even need kernel access to spy on you. Most malware doesn't even use kernel access.
Malware that has kernel access is preferable because whoever controls that malware, controls your PC. Once you have ring 0 you can run any code at anytime and even administrator accounts can't do shit about it.
You can even mask your malware by making it invisible to process viewers and task managers. You can write directly to firmware, meaning even if you reinstall you won't get rid of code, secure boot becomes useless at that point. And dip-shit gamers install this shit without a second thought.
>The anti-kernel access hysteria was just started by cheat makers because it affects their business negatively.
This is typed out by someone who's never had to deal with blue screens due to shitty RATs, or had to rescue 1000s of machines due to a shitty update from a half rate antivirus that insurance companies demand you have in order to be "in compliance".

>>717947356
>Is kernel access the new boogyman for tech illiterate retards?
Yes, it's funny too because half the people complaining already use multiple programs or find out they play other games that already have kernel access and don't stop using any of it.

>>717940670 (OP)
>on windows
>because windows is cucked and demands it
>but no, let's blame valve for trying to show useful system information to the user

>>717941502
I kneel

>>717940670 (OP)
>only required on windows because windows requires it to
>you never have to use it

>>717941502
Incredibly based, dare I say

>>717940908
It's a screenshot from one the funny videos Gabe records for opening the International, in particular this one is for the Cave Johnson announcer pack announcement.

https://youtu.be/GNVAmbB8hEo?t=190

>>717951212
Imagine being this retarded

>>717941502
why didnt we listen

>>717942313
Measure your CPU's temperature.

>>717941495
>Afterburner
>not using RTSS by itself
Noob.

>>717941495
afterburner has kernal access too

Do programs like Open/Libre Hardware Monitor, RivaTunner, etc also need kernel access on Windows to get hardware temps?

>>717940670 (OP)
I'm pretty sure microsoft will end blocking EVERYONE from it.
After crowdstrike and shit like this:
https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/

It is pretty obvious that it's a fucking bad idea.

>>717942313
most programs run on user level access, which restricts what the program can do, where it can save data, what information it can read etc.
this stops a random program from being able to read the data of other programs or your user accounts or save files to random parts of your PC etc.
Kernel level access is the highest level of access and lets a program do anything, it can read your ram, the files of other programs, windows files, it can tell your graphics card to draw 1000 watts and explode.
the worry is a bad actor with kernel access could literally just do whatever they want on your PC, this could mean someone who finds a vulnerability in a legit program with kernel access.

>>717951212
How do people like you even find your way to the internet.

>>717959489
They won't block it. It's the way antiviruses work. They will probably lock it down a bit more if issues like that keep happening.

>>717940670 (OP)
All monitoring software needs that level of access to access that information

>>717954328
It's very clear from most of these threads that most people have zero idea what "kernel level" means, or its dangerous. As expected of g*mers, the most tech illiterate bunch.

>>717959464
Any software that needs access to hardware monitoring requires kernel access, or at least needs to be baked in directly the mobo.

>>717940670 (OP)
Why the fuck do you need Steam to do this when everybody under the sun already uses rivatuner?

>>717959712
>or its dangerous
it is dangerous, how can you say it's not?

>>717959464
Yes. The main concern recently was that most were running winring0 which has known exploits and stopped being updated. Even shit like RGB used it. Everyone's starting to make their own version which makes potential exploit less catadtrophic. Microsoft recently developed winlamp which uses usb standard for RGB but it required hardware manufacturers to implement it. I wonder if something similar is possible for monitoring software

>>717942087
Jokes on him, I'm racist, transphobic and sexist. Enjoy!

>>717940670 (OP)
What's wrong with MSI afterburner? I am asking unironically.

>>717959489
microsoft is already developing tools to allow anticheats to get the access they need without being kernel level (and therefore able to 'accidentally' crash your system and fuck other programs up)

Nothing wrong with giving Steam a little kernel access.
Finally done with this piece of shit game. 2 more to go.

>>717940670 (OP)
>>it's ok if Valve does it!
Yes? This isn't the contentious gotcha you think it is.

>>717960235
Yep.
I'm not saying that "ITS JOVER FOR ANTI CHEATS", just that kernel access is a retarded idea and microsoft is probably coming with a better one.

>>717958828
Me on the right (every image is replace with gigachad)

>>717959937
Yeah I recall hearing about that, and several programs I've used have it, like that dogshit msi mysticlights thing you need to turn off mobo leds, I think open hardware monitor uses it too.

>>717940670 (OP)
Reading the CPU temperature doesn't require any extra privileges. You just fucking cat /sys/class/thermal/whatever/temp.
What is this fat fuck doing?

>>717960895
>you're just [insert schizobabble]
everytime with the armchair experts

>>717960978
Linux exposes temperature sensors per device under the /sys/class/thermal tree. You just open and read the temp file to get the temperature. It does not require kernel access.

>>717951212
I can't say no to such tasty bait

>>717940670 (OP)
>You can disable it if you want to

>>717950092
not an argument, green firstproblem

>>717960782
I've switched over to windows dynamic lighting. It's barebones but it hasn't csused my computer to crash like signal rgb and it's 0 additional resources. I just have my lights set to a specific color to match my room anyway. It'd be cool if they added more options to play around with

>>717951212
Linux is less secure because they're concerned about bleeding edge features in the kernel rather than tightening what they already have. That's why linux machines get rooted much more often than comparable OpenBSD machines. That's not even counting all the different fucked up userlands distributions have.

>>717961275
OpenBSD is unironically running behind Linux in terms of security nowadays, anon. It's not 2008 anymore.

>>717961095
>linuxfag inserts itself in a discussion about windows

meanwhile on any reasonable os:
`watch -n.5 cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/temp1_input`
you don't even need sudo

Windows uses deserve to have their computers bricked and kicked off the Internet entirely

>>717961440
It unironically isn't. Lrn2computer.

>>717962106
If we're going to kick people off the internet for using bad OSes, only XP and Win7 users will remain.

And mac computers will explode and kill the user just to be sure they stay out.

>>717940670 (OP)
windows users give kernel level access to bill gates lol. I trust gaben more

so can it lower your performance lol ?

>>717941675
It's no secret Gabe tries to fuck over Windows as much as possible. There is no real technical reason it has to be this way. He's just trying to make Windows seem less appealing. Doing that is fine, but the way he's doing it here just makes him look like a fat fucking cunt.

lets goooo

>>717963094
Probably not.
The main issue is that it can have a bug that can bluescreen your computer, or someone can piggyback it to do some super fucking evil rootkit shit.
For performance affecting shit you would need it to actually replace critical system functions... like the valorant anti cheat does, where it literally replace the memory allocation functions of windows for it's on, even when valorant is not actually running.
There's evil and then there's ex-death bullshit tier of evil.

>>717942440
>Things that wil never happen, because it can damage company reputation and lead to lawsuits, but I am going to continue fearmongering just out of spite

>>717942087
How long are people going to keep worshiping this fat retard when he's personally backing vast sums of money into dystopian shit like this? He's just another billionaire, but so many people believe that he's different.

steamservice.exe has run as NT AUTHORITY/SYSTEM this entire time and nobody cares.

>>717951212
>Linux is less secure
this is correct

>>717941502
The demiurge HATES this man

>>717941502
SAAAAAAAR

>>717941502
Your brown

>>717963527
Nta but check louis Rossmans YouTube channel. MOST corporations forcd opt-in by default even when telling you they don't. If their rep crashes they just move on to another shell company like chink scammers.

>>717963992
>>717964041
>1 minute between posts
Look out, indian shill woke up