Thread 718104781

>makes you kill your wife and daughter
Heh, nothing personal.

>>718104781 (OP)
>makes you a better man
thank Ares!

>>718104781 (OP)
Jokes on you, you can't kill what never existed.
Take that, haha...

>>718104781 (OP)
Based

>>718107294
If corporate could they would

I can actually beat kratos, ares and all those shit fake gods in real life

>>718107294
>GoW was actually a way for Santa Monica employees to secretly vent about their shitty boss to millions of people and get payed for it
Fucking geniuses.

>>718104781 (OP)
Actually, incredibly personal. Unimaginably personal.

>>718104781 (OP)
To what degree exactly did he "make" Kratos kill his wife and daughter? Like swearing the oath made him a mind- controled thrall? Or more like he simply instructed him to raid where his wife and daughter were unwittingly and assuming his blind rage would do them in?

I only ask because if it was more Krato's berserking, then he bears the ultimate responsibility for his actions, which makes NuGoW feel kinda weird in how hard it tries to rehabilitate him into the Wise Daddy archetype. Just feels strange to see fans of NuGoW who genuinely buy into the "better man", heck'n wholesome Dad thing when the character they're glazing was a fucking psychopath who ripped his family to pieces with giant chain-knives.

Come to think of it, he definitely kills a number of innocent npcs after he's rebelled against Ares. Vaguely recall him shimmying across a burning building and encountering a helpless frail old man begging for his help. Kratos' passes through by bashing his skull against the wall and tossing him off the edge

>>718104781 (OP)
Actually the bitch cheated on me and the girl isn't mine, so I wanted to do it for a long time already.
Thanks, man, I owe you one.

Kratos was always a weak bitch, begging Ares that he'd suck his dick if Ares saved him after Kratos lost an honorable duel

>>718109219
Ares placed his wife and daughter in Athena's temple, which Kratos was going to raid and pillage in any case. He had no idea and no reason to expect his family to be there, but in some part you can say it's his fault for kicking in the door and launching the blades of chaos without even looking at who was inside.

>>718109219
>Just feels strange to see fans of NuGoW who genuinely buy into the "better man", heck'n wholesome Dad thing when the character they're glazing was a fucking psychopath who ripped his family to pieces with giant chain-knives.
>Come to think of it, he definitely kills a number of innocent npcs after he's rebelled against Ares. Vaguely recall him shimmying across a burning building and encountering a helpless frail old man begging for his help. Kratos' passes through by bashing his skull against the wall and tossing him off the edge
Yeah, no fucking shit Kratos was a bad guy, that's the whole fucking point of the franchise. You're saying this like it's some grand revelation

>>718109219
Not to give NuGoW shit any props, but I'm pretty sure the whole point is Kratos recognizing he's a giant fuckup who ruined everything and is now actively trying to not be that psycho

>>718109642
nah bro, how could Ares, put people into an Athenian temple, when he's at war with her? Athena did that, her oracle also refuses to tell kratos exactly why he shouldn't go into the temple, once again Athena's fault

Zeus and Athena are literally the worst gods in the universe, everything that goes wrong is because of those fucks
Ares being allowed to do what he did while Zeus and everyone else fiddle their thumbs because of some stupid tradition or law but they KNOW Are's is doing stuff in the background they KNOW he's trying to take over Olympus with other monsters, yet they let him fuck around with Kratos and others.

>>718110080
Didn't GoW 3 imply the whole thing was Athena's keikaku to become the sole Goddess of what remained of the world? Bitch is the most evil character in the franchise.

>>718104781 (OP)
If Kratos was so mad about that then why was he fucking two random sluts on a ship in the opening level of GoW 1?

>>718111151
It's not like Ares was in the room to spoil his mood.

>>718111151
To show that he was incapable of meaningful human bond

>>718111151
To get subhuman dudebros to think Kratos is cool

>>718111151
Trying to cope by being a hedonist. Pretty sure there's a note of his in the same cabin that reads something like
>no matter how many women I sleep with, they all remind me of her.

>>718104781 (OP)
>and my wife is yours
kratos not only signed the contract, he wrote it too.

>>718109219
All the gods deserved to die. But the random human npc's not so much. Kratos is probably on the path to becoming 1 of the 3 wise men in the mural.

>>718110936
I'm not exactly sure what she was trying to do with Kratos after he became a God. I think in her own fucked up Godhead ways she was trying to do him a favor in 2 until he goes off the wall and gets stabbed in collateral, and then becomes an opportunist when she becomes a ghost.
But yes in GOW3 she is trying to get on top of everyone and fails at the last second.

W-what did they mean by this?

>>718112312
>wise man
>he's absofuckinglutely not wise in the slightest
christcuckery at its finest, I suppose

>>718113053
Well that was the original plan the devs had. Kratos would kill all the gods except 2. Those 2 along with Kratos would become the wise men.
That seemed to have changed to a degree.

>>718113202
Do we know who those 2 gods would have been? Or did they not decide that before plans changed?

>>718109508
I believe they retcon that the barbarian was aided by Hades

>>718107348
They would kill you and your entire bloodline if it meant a 1 cent increase in profit for the month.

>>718112994
It doesn't work as well with a woman because they would care a lot less about killing their son and husband.

>>718104781 (OP)
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS

>>718104781 (OP)
And your mother, and your brother, and your father
The Nordic saga is so fucking stupid with the whole "becomening a better man in bumfuck nowhere"
I fucking hate Santa Monica and I fucking hate Sony

>>718113857
Think it was suppose to be 2 other gods of war, but I could be wrong.

>>718104781 (OP)
>>>>>>>>makes
He was warned countless times his path of war will bring him doom and death.

>>718115128
>He was warned countless times his path of war will bring him doom and death.
That's simply not true.

>>718104781 (OP)
>Tells the translator to die with honor
>The entire series is the result of Kratos being a little bitch and refusing to die with honor when he was defeated

>>718113857
>>718114934
In God of War 2 they straight up shows the three wise men on their journey to baby Jesus in the Temple of the Fates. The original plan was that Kratos' equivalent from two other mythologies have a similar journey slaughtering their pantheons and at the very end the three of them are the Three Wise Men.

It would have been SO much better if they had stuck with this plan. They could have just made Norse Kratos a different guy, and they wouldn't have the issue of butchering his character. They could have even come up with a reason for him to have similar ashen skin and tattoos. But NOOOOO, they just had to make him the same guy.

>>718111680
The games are subversion of dudebro culture
>this badass killing machine who fucks hot chicks? He's EVIL and you should hate him!

>>718116208
Be honest: Would you seriously have given a fuck about the Norse games if the MC was a literal who?

>>718116603
I can't speak for everybody, but yes. I absolutely could have gotten behind a new protagonist in a new mythology. I feel like most normies would be sold from the title still being "God of War." For anyone who cared, they could just make some vague tease about a connection to Kratos at announcement. They could also sprinkle in moments where the Norse gods are aware of what went down in Greece, just like they did in nu-GOW anyways.

>>718115819
TBF, that timeline was going to be erased so nothing he did there mattered.

>PC too weak to emulate GOW 3
Fuck me. Is there any group of autists running a decompilation project? I don't want to buy an used PS3 just for one game.

>>718117887
you can always buy a ps4 and the remaster :^)

>>718111151
It was purely carnal eros, be happy that he didn't fuck young boys.

>>718109219
Kratos gave his soul to Ares, the god of war in the first place. Its obvious that his soul was used to make war afterwards, and therefore his entire identity began to reflect an excess of war all according to Ares wishes. He decided to kill off Kratos wife and children because that would make him stronger, a more capable warrior, since Ares entire purpose is to represent war.

>>718111151
He mistook love for lust, as Socrates puts it

>>718104781 (OP)
I'd forgive him, sure what he did is wrong, but if I take vengeance on him would that make me feel better? no, we must learn to be better men

>>718119319
GOW turned to shit once liberal media writers took over. GOW 3 was the last real GOW

>>718114238
Wow, that's unbelievably retarded

>>718119420
>GOW 3 was the last real GOW
Come on, now. Ascension wasn't THAT bad.

>>718107359
Based Jesus.

>>718118315
I'M GREEK, NIGGA

>>718110936
GoW is written pretty badly.
In fact, the only game of the series with pathos is 1, which tells a complete story and really does feel like a modernized Greek tragedy.
It's telling that faggy retarded nigger journoscum missed that and declared Snoy of War the game where "Kratos is a real character"

>>718120123
Umm sweaty actual Greek mythology is problematic.

>>718111151
Quite literally trying to drink and fuck the nightmares away.

I used to jerk off to the sex minigames

>>718120605
I jerked off to the wikia's picture of Aprhodite's low-res tits a few months ago.

>>718120605
>used to
I stop and jerk off to it every new playthrough.

>>718120605
I only ever did it to the Aphrodite one.
Shit was surreally hot for 14 year old me

>>718109642
>you can say it's his fault for kicking in the door and launching the blades of chaos without even looking at who was inside
Police do the equivalent of this all the time so its cool.

>>718110080
>nah bro, how could Ares, put people into an Athenian temple, when he's at war with her?
The implication is that he drove them there.
Like sent hellhounds or some shit til they only found refugee in that shitty village
>Athena did that, her oracle also refuses to tell kratos exactly why he shouldn't go into the temple
It's a pretty clear case of "heed my warning or regret it" he doesn't really get a clear picture because it would defeat the purpose of it

>>718122876
Pigs burn chains with blades to their arms and slice innocents to death? Kinda cool, ngl.

>>718123121
>"heed my warning or regret it"
Could have worked better if she had actually told him what's inside.

>>718109219
Kratos attacked a village devoted to the worship of Athena under orders from Ares. He walked into the temple after an Oracle told him not to. A weird shroud of fog enveloped the interior of the temple and Kratos killed anything that he saw or heard. When it cleared he saw he killed his daughter and wife. Ares had teleported them there and tricked Kratos into killing them, so nothing would hold him back, then the Oracle binds the ashes of his family to his skin. Thing is Kratos had one chance to turn back and rethink his choices and went ahead with the senseless massacre anyways. Had he turned back who knows what would happen.

>Oh yeah I'm going to create the ultimate warrior and then make him kill his family, I'm sure that will make him even more loyal to me
Ares was retarded

FOUL BEASTS
I WILL SEND YOU BACK TO THE DEPTHS OF HADES

>>718108093
>payed
is this the new style with ESLs?

>>718125597
Hes a god of war and military strategy not empathy or common sense. If you take Ghost of Sparta into account he also gave Kratos incentive to become a general so he would never lose anyone close again.

>>718125672
ESL website
Dial wit it

>>718125597
All the gods but Hephaestus were retarded because they all lacked humanity. They can't understand why Kratos suffers as much as he does.

>>718125160
I think the point would've been lost if she had

>>718125875
>the entire trilogy is about olympus being a bunch of retarded pitmommies feeding babies to kratos until he turns on them

>>718119989
Ascension is overhated, the reason why people shit on it at the time was because it was more of the same, if anything, we need a another hack n' slash GoW, but with Santa Monica in its current state , I don't have confidence in them, not after Ragnarok

>>718109642
I mean, that doesn't sound like the fault of Ares at all. It seems reasonable that they would hide in there.

>>718129443
Ascencions story sucked. I would have made it set during Kratos 10 years of service and have him fighting a proper Persian invasion, backed by more of their monsters and demons before killing their god.

>>718122759
>fuck Aphrodite
>leave her room via a portal right into her husband's lair

>>718127142
Even Hephaestus was retarded.
>hmm should I betray and attack Kratos after he did what I asked... Surely this won't backfire like it has on every other God that's done exactly this to him...

>>718130228
His goal was trying to protect his daughter.
His last stand was to use the forged Nemesis as a conduit for his lightning in hopes that it would fry Kratos because he had nothing else. And when that failed and his life was forfeit, he just begged Kratos to not kill her. He had no reason to live if he couldn't protect her so that's why he risked his life.

>>718109219
gods wont have the same emotional range as a man

>>718117887
cost you under a 100 bucks to get a ps3 with gow3
you most likely spend that shit on bad steam sale games you dont play

>>718129443
its combo system fucking sucked cock and felt shit to play

>>718104781 (OP)
Am I the only one who hated the whole overtone of...

Kratos is evil because he killed his family!

Kratos didn't even know his family got teleported to the village he was destroying. So while he did kill his wife and daughter he never did it intentionally. Don't get me wrong Kratos is indeed evil shit because he has no problems killing the innocent. It's just that the whole charges of him being evil strictly for killing his wife and daughter always felt like bullshit. And I get it the Greek Gods were all corrupt trash so they are lying to make Kratos feel guilty over murders he had no control over.

But the problem is this insistence that Kratos is subhuman trash for killing his wife and daughter continues even in the Norse games. It feels FORCED. Kratos is evil shit for all the awful things he did knowingly but he's innocent of killing his wife and daughter that specific detail I disagree with the narrative the games keep spamming. That aside Kratos does deserve the misery and stress that he endures.

>>718109219
What angers me about Kratos is that his daughter sees him in the afterlife you'd think that little girl would be terrified of Kratos given the violent way he killed her. But nah they portray Kratos' daughter as being wholesome and not scared of her psycho father. Always hated that sequence because it felt like they were trying to depict Kratos as if he isn't scary especially to a child.

>>718118315
Kid Icarus always confused me. A lot of the imagery feels more like Christian mythology rather than Greek. And I think it would have been better overall if Nintendo shifted onto Christianity themed. Not to knock Hades but the Devil is more interesting thematically. Especially with the rings of Hell and the Seven Deadly Sins.

>>718131571
Wasn't that whole thing an illusion?

>>718112312
They will never include the Wise Men from Christianity under any circumstances. Christianity in God of War may have been in the cards at first but its obvious Sony won't do it. Not anymore. Real shame I wanted to see Kratos see different theology. But I'm asking too much especially since I don't want to see Christianity's figures being presented as evil. I don't want to see Archangel Michael being inexplicably evil and satanic so that Kratos kills him.

>>718131918
Been a while since I played Chains of Olympus but that was indeed the soul of his daughter. During the game's final act Kratos fights to preserve his daughter's heavenly afterlife since she was considered a good innocent soul. As such the gods didn't send her to Tartarus.

I really don't know what he wanted. Kratos was a loyal killing machine even with his family being alive, how were they holding him back?

>>718131571
She has no reason to fear him.

>>718131864
Congratulations, Kid Icarus is now deemed satanic propaganda by American Christians and a good chunk of the US market is lost. But hey, it appeased the autism of some guy on the internet, so it was worth it, I guess.

>>718132119
Ares wanted someone whose only occupation was serving him absolutely. Kratos having a family means he had people that could distract him from his job to Ares. And we know Kratos' wife didn't like Kratos going on crusades so Ares probably saw that as a problem.

Ares fucked up because when Kratos killed his own family Ares openly confessed that this was his doing.

>>718132119
Ares is just deeply retarded like that.
Kratos was already estranged from his wife and family.
He won literally nothing by forcing that confrontation

>>718104781 (OP)
>daughter

And nothing of value was lost.. Thanks Ares!

>>718114624
Honestly the Norse games were awful. And they were boring. They truly were dull. I honestly can't help but worry what is next? What other mythology will be touched upon? Egypt seems to be the fan favorite but I doubt it. And we know Christianity is out.

>>718132296
He literally murdered her and her mom

>>718113053
Depends on your definition of wise man I suppose
>>718116603
Kratos was a "literal who" in his first game too.
Maybe a new MC would have been great, maybe he would have been dogshit. who knows

>>718133160
He didn't mean to, though.

>>718131268
the thing is, killing innocents as a soldier is just being a product of his time, it was looked down upon but every army did it or at least some of it's soldiers did
this is religious war, it isn't about land, it's about dominating and erasing the other gods culture, because the humans are used as proxy for their wars

>>718130228
Asking him to get the stone was an attempt to get him killed. You can see Hephaestus' surprise when Kratos comes back.

>>718104781 (OP)
>why didn't i think of it? "Ares made me do it", so simple, so elegant... FUCK!

>>718125160
That's not how greek oracles work, anon

>>718132119
Typical C-suite logic. Don't try to understand it as an actual human being.

>>718125160
Where's the fun in that?

>>718137134
>AND THEN HE'LL BECOMES THE PERFECT WARRIOR!
>I don't know my lord, what exactly do you gain from him killing his own family?
>WAR WILL BE ALL HE KNOWS, BATTLE WILL BE HIS MORNING, AFTERNOON AND NIGHT. NO DISTRACTIONS FROM THE PURITY OF WAR!
>Right, but why risk a traumatic response of regret? Obviously he doesn't want to kill his own family otherwise he'd just do it himself. Why not kill them and then frame someone you want killed? Or better yet, just let him grow crazier and drive his family apart

>>718122759
So I was not alone in that, good to know.

>>718104781 (OP)
>"I WILL GIVE ANYTHING TO GET THIS POWER"
>"okay cool I'm gonna have you kill your family"
>"NO NOT LIKE THAT"
What exactly did Kratos expect Ares would ask for when he made the Faustian bargain?

>>718141290
I doubt Kratos had read Faust, seeing as it was only published many centuries later, so the concept would have eluded him.
Then again, iirc he made that bargain in the middle of a battle where he was about to die, so I doubt even if he were familiar with philosophical dilemmas, nothing of that would have crossed his mind in a moment of survival.

>>718141481
in the middle of a battle, where the barbarians he was against would have raped and sacked his land
i think the barbarian guy was also backed by a god

>want to replay God of War
>remember pushing the cage up the ramp
>remember the entirety of Hades

>>718110936
By that point all the gods had been written as entities that were driven insanw by Kratos opening pandora's box in the first game. So it's hard to say if that was always her plan or if she concocted it post insanity.

>>718141747
i heard so much shit about those towers in hades i thought i was gonna kill myself from frustration but it turned out they weren't really that bad

>>718141556
It's a pretty standard Greek god type of plot.
>put a mortal into a situation where no matter what he does, he falls and incurs divine punishment
>have the mortal fall and punish him
They absolutely had it coming.

>>718141747
I remember the pushing up the cage being a hellish experience but I replayed the game recently and on a harder difficulty which I never did when I was younger and it was pretty easy. Just use medusa's gaze to keep them off your back while always being above one of those little rest areas. Ended up doing it first try without the cage ever sliding back to the bottom.

>>718141481
>nothing of that would have crossed his mind in a moment of survival.
The funny thing about Kratos is that I don't think he even made the deal just because he was about to die but rather he couldn't accept that he was about to lose a fight.

>>718116208
>christcuckery all that sooner
yikes, somehow almost as bad as kratos being cucked by the jew's self insert and baving black gods with special mutts

>>718132398
Kek