Thread 720017923

Finally finished it after dropping it after Rellana on release. Let's talk about it.

I thought the world design with its verticality was the best part. I really enjoyed thinking how to access some parts of the map, too, but it might have been just me being retarded. The world being more dense was also a good thing. Base game's map felt far too large for its own good by comparison.

I also liked the crusade part of the story. Didn't care much about Miquella, so I'm not sure why Radahn got so many people mad.

That said, Radahn was a horrible difficulty spike gameplaywise. Other bosses were difficult, sure, but he legit took me 15-20 hours to beat. I got to the point where I could consistently nohit the first phase, but just collapsed like a wet noodle in phase 2.

>>720017923 (OP)
I'm also playing it now years after elden ring, It's just not that interesting to me honestly. I haven't found any cool weapons or armour after getting level 13 tree fragments and bosses like messmer + the dude riding the boar were just cringe so I got the mimic out. Majority of the zones just feel empty

>>720017923 (OP)
didn't even play it because of the retarded hurdles that you have to go through to access the fucking dlc

>>720017923 (OP)
They nerfed that final Radahn fight just like they nerfed (but then sorta reverted outside of hitbox changes) the original fight. Before the nerf it was tanking frame rates on many PCs, fucking everyone with double slash, and blinded you with light beams. So many people just respec’d to shield poking, which shuts down this boss so much especially since they give you a Top 2 shield just before this fight.
After the nerfs, the fight is still kinda bad but you can do some more unique stuff against it now. Before it was basically just an extreme execution test to see if you could roll in the right time and right directions while also finding the charged R2 windows.

>>720017923 (OP)
I heard the verticality meme a bunch of times but fucking where? It's mostly open fields surrounded by impassable cliffs again

I wish there were ways to get some of the new weapon types earlier in the regular game

>>720022000
>kill radahn
>kill mohg
>hurdles
???

>>720022169
That sounds more like bug fix than a nerf. Unless you consider being constantly blinded a feature.

>>720022000
you have to kill two niggas

>>720022000
Lol

>>720022234
Literally everywhere. Go to any cliff in the starting area and you can see the cerulean coast, charos hidden grave, the path thelat leads the the dragon mountain, and the ravine that leads to the cerulean coast, and that's just the starting area. Bolurat and Enir Ilim are great examples of verticality, the whole thing spirals upwards. Midra's Manse is at the bottom of a hidden ravine below the Shadowkeep, and Shadowkeep itself is almost entirely vertical in the Storehouse portion.The Rauh Ruins overlook a ravine that's explorable, which itself is higher up than the Shadowkeep. Not to mention you nearly pass the cloudline to get to Radahn in Enir Ilim. There are actually more locations with jump puzzles or drop downs in the DLC than in the base game

>>720017923 (OP)
>Didn't care much about Miquella, so I'm not sure why Radahn got so many people mad.
Well, maybe because it was the fucking ending we got and it fucking sucked.

i think it was elden ring but done better. it removed all the bloat from base but still had a decently large open world that you could explore and containing all the things expected. i consider it er 2 rather than a dlc. the npc interactions and quests are the best from has done, and makes it feel more engaging; they're going through the story and game with you.

i just don't like the final boss. well, i would have preferred consort to be his own guarding the gate, and then you go on from the gate into another area where you fight the final boss at the end of that.

>>720025731
Malenia and Godwyn are cucks, sorry you had to learn this way Vaati

>>720025817
Everybody loses with this choice, this is absolutely retarded, "promised CONSORT radahn", absolutely retarded and gay, what a way to conclude a game, terrible.

>>720022000
Without a guide you can literally bumrush the mimic tear and its upgrade materials before you fight morgot
>Get a colossal weapon
>get to mt gelmir
>get ghiza wheel
>kill radahn
>get mimic
>trivialize everything

Mohg does not live to see phase two when you beybladex2 his ass

>>720025520
To me virticality means I can actually get there. You can't get to those areas from the starting zone

>>720017923 (OP)
I couldn't get into it. I was just so bored with ER's boss design. I would like to try it again but the thought of dumping a bunch of time into an open world game again is not appealing.

>>720017923 (OP)
I didn't finish it because the map was empty, there was so much repetition, and it's clear to me that Fromsoft have given up on creating well designed levels instead only seem to care about horrible looking protracted anime fights you dodge roll and r1 spam to victory.

>>720017923 (OP)
Radahn is easy if you arenn't retarded and learn how to position

>>720017923 (OP)
Redahn was genuinely one of the worst bosses I've ever fought. I only tried phase 2 three times before I gave up. I can grind out difficult bosses. Malenia took me 13 fucking hours to beat. But if the difficulty is from not being able to see anything at all due to particle effects, I quit.
I ended up uninstalling, and after googleing what I missed, I had missed 4 other bosses. But Radahn was so bad, that he put me off from going back and clearing out the rest that I missed. In fact, he was so bad that I am no longer looking forwards to the next fromsoft games.

>>720028235
I'm not sure he could be classified as bad. He's extremely difficult and his second phase has far too many new moves and enhancements, but he's got tells, he's got openings, and he can be conquered without cheese.
>I am no longer looking forwards to the next fromsoft games
Understanable, but from what I've seen, Nightrein bosses aren't that ridiculously difficult.

>>720017923 (OP)
I think it's the best DLC they ever did
Like another anon said it feels more like Elden Ring 2, the DLC has so much content
And to think people whined about the 40 bucks price tag

>>720028483
No. If a boss has so much particle effects that you can't see what is happening, that makes him bad.

As usual with Souls games, in a few years people will have figured out strats and bosses better and the crying will alleviate a little and we'll enter the discourse phase of "they weren't that bad". Even Malenia entered this stage despite her Octaslash not being consistently avoidable without what feels an exploit of her tracking.
The exception being Radahn 2.0, MAYBE. I still haven't figured him out completely and maybe never will try to.

>>720028483
Nightreign bosses seem fine, but me I just find the 40 minutes runback lame as fuck
I know it's the game's whole schtick, but it's just shit having to go through through the same speedrun slog each time to get to the actual and only good part of the game
I dropped it after a few hours, and the Fortnite circle closing down on you might be the worst idea ever for a rogue-lite type of game

>>720028235
>I am no longer looking forwards to the next fromsoft games
This is a strange feeling. I had a lot of trouble with Radahn but managed to beat him without completely remaking my build.
I loved the DLC, loved Elden Ring.
But in the end I left without any interest in another game like this, that will push the boundaries in the same direction they pushed with Radahn.
Maybe the boss itself wasn't the problem, it's just that I'm done with playing these games. It was a good closure, nonetheless.
And I still recommend anyone to try Elden Ring, even if you don't get to finish it thoroughly.

>>720028483
I don't even think this feeling comes from being overwhelmed by too-difficult bosses, which arguably Radahn could be considered, but that the way they've been pushing up the challenge within the dark souls formula (and ER is one at heart, even the IP has another name) feels like it's reached the limit.
They need to find another way.

LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

>>720028235
Git gud

Non-canon DLC.

>>720017923 (OP)
ER is the worst game they have made since DS2, and the DLC is even worse
This fucking dogshit DLC made me not give a fuck about anything they will make in the future

>>720028764
>>720028836
I agree on that. Radahn was peak rollslop. They need to think of other ways to evolve their games. Considering Nightrein and Duskbloods, I think From themselves know this.

>720029029
Fuck off avatar faggot.

>>720029072
Git gud

>>720028907
Impossible. I have slow reaction, and terrible timing. But again, the problem is not really the difficulty. It is the way in which the difficulty is presented. As I said before, Malenia took me 13 hours to beat. That is probably on par with the worst players in the entire world. But I still managed to beat her. Because I can see what she is doing, and just need to practice my timing.
With Radahn, the entire difficulty lies in not being able to see anything. How can I even attempt to dodge an attack, if I can't see it? How can I try to time my dodges on a 5 hit combo, if my entire screen is flashing bright yellow sparks that prevents me from seeing a single one of them?

>>720028609
Gitgudders completely destroy any attempt at reasonable critical discourse around these sort of games, these "discourse phases" aren't really evolutions of thought so much as a demographic change of the sort of people still talking about the game as most people move on from it.

>>720029203
Have you tried with your eyes open?
>>720029385
Git gud

>>720022234
retardo

>tfw shaman village
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBYKniY1XDs&list=RDVBYKniY1XDs&start_radio=1

>>720022560
I believe he meant having to actually play the game being the biggest obstacle

>>720029893
some of these jar girls ain't so bad

>>720029893
>Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one to heal.

>>720028235
>Quit after three tries
What a pussy.

Radahn is an irredeemable shit of a boss. There was no need for more attempts to realize this.

>>720029987
Marika was never put in a jar
>>720030306
Git gud

>>720030364
why did they spare her?

I haven't got to DLC yet. Is it much more difficult than the main game even if Im only on the first playthrough? Are they kore generous with the upgradibg stones in the dlc?

>>720026645
What do you expect? Being able to fly?

>>720017923 (OP)
I also finished the dlc last month. The parry hardtear is such a godsend. I used the fire knight greatsword to kill him, instead of dealing with the shitty light beam roll catches everywhere in the 2nd phase I just blocked and took a bit of chip damage in exchange. Also let me stagger him a couple of times.

Didn't like it. I enjoy dodging exploring, fashion souls and dodging bosses 1-3 hit combo then killing the boss with maybe 5 tries max, for me that's what I enjoy in souls games. I don't enjoy 5-10 hit boss combos and every boss having a 'learning phase', if I wanted to play some anime cringe shit I'd play that

>>720030441
You need to collect some scadutree fragment things as you go through
People didn't realize this when they started playing it (because they're retarded) and cried about how much harder it was

>>720030441
90% of the loot in the dlc is upgrade stones and it's boring. Give me cool weapons and armour instead.

>>720030489
That I can get there from the area I'm in maybe? Just being able to see another area that's higher or lower than the one I'm in isn't 'vertically'

>>720028235
Giving up after three tries is deranged, you've probably never even played the game
>>720029534
>Have you tried with your eyes open?
ESL, I doubt your third world rig can even boot the game, you've never played the game
>>720030490
>parry hardtear
You didn't beat the DLC
>>720030550
>The DLC has no cool weapons
Yeah you didn't play the dlc either
Have none of you retards actually played this game? Elden ring threads on /v/ are so fucking bad holy shit

>>720030612
You're brown

>>720030521
Oh, I remember reading about that but it was something I had forgotten already.

>>720030550
That's a bummer. But it's not like this game has a shortage of weapons anyway.
What about new incantations?

>>720030396
Because Marika betrayed her village and became a Goddess for the Hornsent

>>720022000
this nigger got mohgged lmao

>>720030597
But you do get there, a big part of the dlc if finding the right path and I remember a lot of platforming down cliffs.

>>720030612
I'm playing it right now and I haven't found a better dex weapon than anything from the base game and I'm in the floating castle and have lvl 13 scuda

>>720030550
>90% of the loot in the dlc is upgrade stones and it's boring. Give me cool weapons and armour instead.
?

>>720030748
Um why would they randomly pick Marika who was from some shitty village they slaughtered?
She obviously survived the procedure and became a saint like they were trying to make and then later became a god

>>720030512
Geriatric DS1 faggots be like

>>720030687
He's lying, see >>720030864

>>720017923 (OP)
The dlc bosses are fucking ass and not fun fights. Gaius is shit, messmer is shit. Lion is shit. Radahn is hot shit. Flame head guy is alright and the undead on a horse was kinda stupid but fine. Tree was passable as well.

>>720030550
This nigga doesn't know how to explore

>>720030864
yeah and it all looks shit apart from the birdman set and the golden bird set with claw feet
>>720030947
>spells
I'm not gay

Whens that dlc for the switch 2 content supposed to come out?

My main issue with the dlc is that I played it coop before seamless coop so it really showed how bad the world is without horses
Also radahn feels impossible in coop

>>720031020
Lion is kino
So fucking kino even that they put him in the game twice

>>720031148
>well y-yeah, b-but it doesn't count!!! because i said so
cope retard, the dlc is chokeful of new weapons, armors and spells

>>720031162
Wait the game has seamless coop now? Or is this a pc mod?

>>720030889
>Um why would they randomly pick Marika
Marika planned thus
>who was from some shitty village they slaughtered?
The shaman village controlled the births of the Lands Between
>She obviously survived the procedure and became a saint
No retard. The procedure to become saints has nothing to do. That is churning spirits out of flesh for the hornsent to use in their invocations. Marika communed with a Divine Gate of Hornsent bodies

>>720031157
The new dlc stuff won't just be for switch 2 but will be released the same time that comes out
There isn't a real release date yet for it

>>720026645
But you can? I somehow sequence broke hard with Romina being my second boss encounter.

>>720031267
What the fuck are you talking about? The Divine Gate was for her to become a god not to become a saint
You need to go download some more IQ

>>720017923 (OP)
If you played Dark Souls 1, there's no reason to play any of the Soulsborne games. Not a one before, not a one after. They are all just iterations of the same formula, and DS1 did that formula the best. There's no reason to play anything else, other than Keeping up with the Jones's

Which one should I upgrade to max level to help me with the dlc difficulty?

>>720031334
To clarify: If you played one, you played 'em all.

>>720031267
>The shaman village controlled the births of the Lands Between
lol no
smooth brains are amusing

>>720031372
mimic, tiche is too squishy and will die in mere seconds against most dlc bosses

>>720031372
I'm not one of the git gud types but you don't really need that stuff

>>720031431
>I'm a shitter than shit out a meemee

>>720031372
Just use the sekiro tear

>>720031372
mimic
tiche is fine at 9 if you want to still use her

>>720028235
I dont blame you, I think most on this board at the bare minimum switched loadouts/gear to a shield, I even used Antspur to poke and rot. Radahn phase 2 has so much damage output and attack frequncy, your animation can keep you locked in too long and youl get hit again
I dont blame others for hatig him, he genuinely is a bit overtuned and we dont have the tools to outplay we have the tools to wait
Funny enough, put him in Nightteign Id LOVE to fave PCR as Ironeye or Wylder

Should i level up to 150? Im currently at 125.

>>720031692
That's a little low so yeah I'd say level up some more

>>720031692
150 is cheating, don't do it.

>>720031832
Agreed, level 1 or you didn't beat it

>>720031372
Tiche kills things so fast she made me see a knight die before his horse for the first time. It was funny to see her chasing the horse around.

>>720031832
But i want to try pvp after being done with this game.
>>720031884
Can peoole actually beat this shit at level 1?

>>720031464
I'm several times smarter than you are, trust me.
The Shamans tuned with the spirits of the dead, then used that to generate amber sap through trees that would then be imbibed in a larvel tear grown from spiritgraves.
The giant dead snake in the Shaman Village was coiled around an egg-shaped object, that was the Rune of the Unborn, which Marika stole when the village was destroyed by the Hornsent.

Marika used that power on herself in order to ascend to Godhood, but the sacrifices tainted the grace she stole with death, creating gold and shadow, and a reality with no defined new death and life but an eternal rebirth.

>>720032091
If you didn't beat the game at level 1, no summons and no buffs then you didn't beat the game
it's as simple as that

>>720031602
Funnily enough, I beat most of the base game with a shield but shields (at least medium ones) don't work with Radahn. Yeah, you can block his rollcatch combos, but all that's going to do in the second phase is get raped by lightbeams or get stunlocked by his lightspeed attacks.

>>720032091
The game is actually easier than other Souls games at level 1, IIRC. You get far too many good talismans and tears.

>>720032139
>trust me
That you would even say that after the bullshit you're spouting just shows how stupid you are.
Your headcanon is shit, I'll leave you to your delusions of thinking you're Mike.

Please tell me there are no curse frogs in the DLC.

>>720032492
You're in luck
There is a second Divine Beast Dancing Lion boss in Ancient Ruins of Rauh, that summons curse frogs and has an unique death breath attack

>>720017923 (OP)
I put points in STR just to wear the solitude armor. I wasn't even using a str weapon I was using the milady.
The cape is too cool.

>>720032601
I have a theory that these frogs exist because their existance is tied to Patches.

>>720032740
>Solitude Armor
Literally the closest we ever got to Guts armor in Souls games
Pure kino

>>720032882
shit posted the wrong pic
here is the solitude set

>>720032740
You need END to increase equip load

>>720032926
That's just the chest piece

>>720029087
Dilate.

>>720031126
More than half of the map is not worthy of exploration.
That's a shame, all of that because they fucked up the placement of interesting loot.
Looks like it has been rushed.

>>720017923 (OP)
Radahn is a true super boss in every sense of the word. I feel like it should have been a secret boss in the DLC instead of the last story boss but it's not a big deal. The actual ending cinematic was a total nothing burger, best part of the story is Marika's past.

Level design is top notch and I really love the new weapons and spells for the DLC.

>>720033476
Not every path should end in some ultimate weapon, exploration is fun for exploration's sake. Ash Lake in Dark Souls mostly just has a bunch of trash in it but it's still one of the most memorable places in gaming just for the novelty.

>>720028235
>>720028764
SoTE highlights all the failures of Elden Ring in a way that completely soured me on Fromsoft, possibly forever. I regret buying not just SoTE but even ER itself. It's like I pulled back the curtain and learned how I had been tricked, and now it's impossible to go back and enjoy the game again. At least I learned about game design I guess.

>>720032882
>>720032926
Do people really play with cringe 'I wish I looked like this' anime characters. Hahah

>>720033585
I could be ok in a limited zone, to find almost nothing but to only explore just for the sake of exploring, but not the whole fucking map, with the most useless stuff possible.
It's just all over the place, if you take away those useless loots, there's HUGE areas where there's literally nothing to do, no reason to go there, you could even just look from afar and enjoy the view, but there's no reason to do more.
My mind tells me to explore every part of the areas, but it ends up being useless and disapointing almost 80% of the time, if not 90%.
It looks like a bad joke, I'm sure that they added the scat fragments to force you to explore the empty map, there would be absolutely zero reason to do so if they didn't add these.
It seriously reaks of a rushed product.

>>720033647
Boo fucking hoo

>>720035093
>oh no someone is attacking a game I like, I must defend it
whats wrong with you

>>720033476
>More than half of the map is not worthy of exploration.
False
>B-but I don't use cookbooks
That's your fault

>>720036282
What's that? Cant hear you over my greatshield

>>720037207
you googled 'radan cheese' or something similar and you know it

>>720038020
Wouldnt call it a cheese with iron cleaver and not poking but okay