Thread 720032104

Why did the Epic Games Store fail to kill Steam? Randy Pitchford said it would happen.

>>720032104 (OP)
its shitty
simple as
shining colours and ads everywhere
got somewhat better later on
but steam and their files and how to uninstall/install with everything on a list is just so simple
also comfort

>>720032104 (OP)
This fucker is just salty of steam because of the old bad blood they had with steam back during the HL expansion days. I don't really like steam but I still use it, steam basically killed physical PC games. At least GOG is doing things right for PC games. Also Borderlands 1 is the only good borderlands, the rest is meme lefty pozzed shit and only playable if you turn off the voice volume and shut off the voice actors and actresses.

>>720032104 (OP)
Is he still trying to pretend he won the rights to the name Gearbox in a card game and that Gabe was angry because Valve was supposed to be called Gearbox?

>>720032185
steam store LITERALLY hads ads even a full banner ads sometimes.
egs does not have any of that

>epic had an entire decade to use their V-Bux and build an actual empire that could compete
>they could have funded a dozen studios to bootstrap EGS with actually good games
>they could have out-manned valve and turned EGS into Steam 2.0
>instead they took 6 months to add a shopping cart and squandered all the money on timed exclusives that did nothing for retention
Timmy and his board are insanely retarded.

>>720035046
EGS literally makes you watch 30 seconds of ads before you're allowed to launch your game while Steam lets you just launch without any bullshit. Someone post the WEBM.

>>720035046
>egs does not have any of that

>>720032104 (OP)
Bring Borderlands to GOG, Randy.

>>720032104 (OP)
Because whenever I have EGS up my task bar will not unhide itself.

It has been this way for at least 5 years and Timmy refuses to fix it. Until he does I will only take free games and shant be buying.

>>720032104 (OP)
Ebin is serviceable for singleplayer but overall an utterly mediocre client.
Steam was everything gamers wanted and asked for, 10-15 years ago, but at the rate the lazy jews at Valve have been shitting up their golden goose in the past 5(+) years I wouldn't be surprised to see even a worthless stain on the human race like (((Randy Pitchford))) being right a few years...

>>720036661
>Valve have been shitting up their golden goose in the past 5(+) years
Do give an example.

>>720032104 (OP)
>Why did the Epic Games Store fail to kill Steam?
Because it catered to the developers rather than to the consumers. The whole shtick about revenue split makes no difference to consumers since game prices are the same.
Also most people don't want chinese cyberAIDS on their computer and the launcher is shit.

Bought Disco Elysium on the Epic Games Store and I've been loving it ever since.

All things being equal, if a game is on multiple platforms why would you ever buy the EGS version over GOG or steam or anything else? It does nothing to justify it's existence outside of exclusives.

>>720032104 (OP)
Borderlands developer has an opinion. AHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA

>>720032104 (OP)
Bad priorities and terrible mindset. Tim thought the end user didn't matter and rather than trying to improve the end user experience he focused all of his effort on courting publishers and trying to strongarm his competition out of business. The problem of course is that end users are the most important people, since they're where your money comes from, and the store offers nothing to the end user except for a shitty experience compared to other stores and the knowledge that the store's owner thinks your experience isn't at all important and that you're just a walking wallet that will go wherever he leads you. Tim being such a blatant scumbag also soured the store's reputation to the point that a not insignificant number of people refuse to use it on principle and would rather wait for a game to become available elsewhere or pirate it than buy it from his store.

>>720032104 (OP)
We still have another 4 years for EGS to stage an epic comeback, and it'll be badass.

>>720036292
...is this a "works on my (properly adblocked) machine" thing or are you just making shit up, as per usual on /v/?

>>720032104 (OP)
>Mandy Bitchford
I'm still amazed this retard wasn't fired years ago.

>>720032104 (OP)
Valve/steam and Gabe have a strange cult following, as if the memes about them supplanted the reality.
People still constantly try to suck both off, so those people were never leaving, and many other people were just unwilling to download another e-store.
I think part of it is because for a while every game company and their mother wanted you to download their launcher/store that people got sick of managing all their accounts and passwords so when most of them finally died and epic tried, people just rolled their eyes.

>>720032104 (OP)
Because Epic spent all of their effort and budget to smear campaign Steam, instead of, you know, making their own store worth even a single shit.

>they shilled EGS for a solid year without posting a single screenshot of the store or library or ANYTHING showing the EGS
>Steam users routinely do shit like post libraries, profiles, carts full of games during a sale
epic saw unprompted user engagement, the fucking UNICORN of running a business, and tried to compete with it in a sterile, direct manner.
Lunacy

>>720032475
disc rot and dead internal batteries killed phtsical games. it just took decades for gamers to see it happen with their gb and ps1 games

>>720036880
inb4 artifact poster

>>720032104 (OP)
Because Epic Games is not a hedge font. Only those are able to crush healthy corpos through sheer propaganda.

>>720032185
I wish I could queue downloads instead of overtaking the previous download ever single time I decide I want something else downloading.
Gaben, you stupid bitch, how hard could it be to implement a queue if even the EA app can do it.

>>720036880
If you haven't noticed or just refuse to admit the blatant decline in Steam store's standards (events, sales, quality control, etc) I really don't know what to tell you. That aside, it's become quite buggy and has had a perceptibly lowered QoL over the past few years.

Tim's behavior has managed to piss off everybody. Gamers, publishers, developers, even fucking Google and Apple in addition to Valve were dragged in to court by his autistic Twitter tantrums. Dude is a nut.

>>720039178
investors and wormtongue types run the show and they put retards or brownoids "in charge" to take the fall for any major failure.
the collapse will be blamed on indians and guys like pitchford, and (((people))) that previously held all the CEO roles will "'offer" to be in charge again to fix all the problems these recent CEOs caused. Nobody will be allowed to ask who put those recent CEOs in their roles

>>720039515
You can though? Just go to "library->downloads" tab

>>720039242
see
>>720039356

i'd have tried it had they used the IMAGEboard to shill their game store with IMAGES

>>720039515
anon there is a whole downloads page to steam that lets you do all manner of stuff to your downloads

>>720039542
>it's become quite buggy and has had a perceptibly lowered QoL over the past few years
Lmao
Kek
Hillarious
The delusions are astounding. Steam was always buggy. If anything it kept improving over the years, and its the most stable it ever has.
The quality decline in games? Brother in christ steam finally managed to get itself out of the rut it dug a decade ago with the swamp of greenlit games and the era of half finished early acces slop which lead to asset flips. And finally, finally there is some filtering on steam.
As much as I hate the monopoly steam has, they have in fact been improving their client.

>>720039542
>events, sales
ruined by bad faith users
>quality control
they aren't paid to be testers for microsoft and sony and EA. this is why they have a review system and refunds

>>720032104 (OP)
Steam was first, simple as. People hate DRM's, including Steam, but if one must be used, let it be one and only one. So people stick to Steam because they had an account for like 15 years and they don't want to register to other shitty DRM platforms and install them on their computer. That's all there is to it.

post it

>>720039559
I really like how he threw developers under the bus because they're struggling with his jank ass engine. Real champion of the people, that one.

>>720039843
>finally there is some filtering on steam
lol, lmao even

>>720039542
>perceptibly lowered QoL
Why should I care sbout shovelware. Just because you dig through shit and complain about it doesn't mean I have to

>>720039843
Still pretty buggy I have to admit
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues

>>720040295
It shows up because you already bought/favourited porn games and didn't filter them out from search. So yea working as intended.

>>720039302
>passive aggressive youtube announcement video of adding a shopping cart
>there were """people""" defending not having a shopping cart on an ecommerce site here on /v/

>>720040295
you can blacklist porn and never see it.

>>720039542
>quality control
i worked tech support at an ISP that offered free email addresses to all users. the call center was seeing nearly a third of all calls relate to using our email in some client like thunderbird, outlook, even shit like 'incredimail'. the bosses saw this nasty trend and spent god knows how much on a huge informative campaign to let people know:
>their email will still work
>it can be accessed via our webmail site
>we just won't be wasting time troubleshooting clients belonging to other companies, they have their own support for that
>the exact date a month and a half down the line when this will happen

what instantly followed was months of utter chaos. every fucker dumb enough to use an ISP provided email on some garbage app like Apple Mail was now convinced we were stripping the email service from them unprompted in a month and a half. 75% of calls were now email related. people screamed at us for shit they didn't understand. since their client 'worked' when their internet was down (shoved shit into the outbox to wait for a connection), it meant we were FORCING them into an aways online system. Well, we're your ISP and you've never called about internet going down, your connection shows constant steady use, and oh yeah, THUNDERBIRD WILL STILL FUCKING WORK, YOU JUST CAN'T CALL US ANYMORE WHEN IT MAKES A SOUND YOU "'DIDN'T LIKE"

We were told to compare it to cars and garages. buying a car doesn't make the dealer responsible for your garage. LMAO like a fucking NPC boomer can understand an analogy. Never in my life did i expect to hear someone older than me throw a tantrum about how "THIS ISN'T A CAR". i eventually began getting snarky with the entitled retards, asking them if the 'info' tab of the settings says "'sasktel" or another company, and directing them to call that company.

thought of this situation after reading your post. i'll let you figure out why.

>>720040295
i don't see any of this shit and i've never explicitly disabled it. account is 13 yrs old.
maybe don't be a coomer

>>720032104 (OP)
It’s only been 6 years, trust the plan.

>>720040813
Seek help

>>720039419
and now even old DS games are losing their data because of the drawbacks of flash memory

>>720032104 (OP)
Because Randy Pitchford is a fucking moron.

>>720040813
Kek I understand your struggle, I'm one of the youngest engineers at my company so whenever there's a new tech they basically have me figure it out and document it

>>720040974
k
someone help me explain why expecting 'quality control' from valve is completely unreasonable

>>720040295
>Look at porn games
>WHY IS STEAM SHOWING ME PORN GAMES?

>>720039419
Disc rot isn't a problem for 99% of discs. I still have and recently tested my ps1 games, no notable rot. You're more like to buy a faulty HDD. And dead internal batteries are an easy problem to fix. You just need a screwdriver.
Online and cheap storage killed physical.

>>720036620
I don't even understand why people that refuse to give money to Timmy still use the EGS client. At least install Heroic Launcher.

>>720032104 (OP)
the thing i hate the most about the store, i the look of it, to be honest. it's way too black and needs a bit of blue in there. i can't stand looking at the store page too long, that's how much i dislike all the blackness that's there. it's just way too much. very aggressive color, indeed..

>>720032104 (OP)
The biggest problem is that Valve is a private company and their competition is not.
Valve can make improvements and changes to their system that won't make a profit, or could even lose them money, and not give a shit. A public company cannot because everything they do has to be aimed at generating an ever increasing anon of profits.

>>720041097
yuck. that would have been a bad day to find that out.
i don't use my physical DS's anymore though, i was emulating the DS in 2010 so it's trivial now, especially with DraStic on android going free. the only game i played on my 3DS was RF4 and that got ported

>>720041640
>And dead internal batteries are an easy problem to fix. You just need a screwdriver
the data is already gone. your childhood pokemon are all scattered bits. you can fix the cause but never the damage.
and the battery i was assured would work was the wrong size anyways

>>720041640
what percentage of discs worldwide would you say ps1 games account for

You guys wanna know why the Epic Store runs so poorly? It's made in UE5

>>720036661
they're not doing anything and that's exactly what they're supposed to be doing. steam is already perfect and doesn't need to change.

>>720039542
what in god's fucking name are you talking about? the store works literally perfectly. every time i've refunded a game, it's gotten refunded immediately. it literally just works, stop being such a fucking timmy...

>>720043594
These low IQ retards will just throw out empty platitudes like that, hoping that you won't contest it.

>>720036189
>instead they took 6 months to add a shopping cart
It was way, WAAAAY longer than that

>>720032104 (OP)
EGS
>the place that people go to get free shit that they probably never going to play.

STEAM
>the place people go to buy games

simple as that.

My credit card has been hacked so much that I have PTSD about it. Giving that info away just feels like I have to go through all that again. So, if I have to have a game store, it's going to be the one I've used since 2005.

>>720040295
You are aware that the recommendations pick games based on what you play, right?
If you didn't want to see porn games, then you shouldn't have bought some in the first place.

>>720032104 (OP)
EGS is literal spyware.

>>720039542
There's definitely quite a few odd bugs, some even few years old at this point. No idea why won't they just fix what's already there instead of reinventing the wheel every few years.

>>720044725
everything is spyware now. steam, gog, everything.

>>720032104 (OP)
Maybe because people don't respond well to marketing that just tries to guilt them into using something.
>Steam takes 30%, think of the poor publishers!! Epic gives them more!!
I don't care unless it means I pay less. I don't care about where my money goes. I care about the product I get in exchange for it.
>Oooh but Steam is a monopoly, that's le bad!!!
This argument falls flat on its face every time Epic marketers slip up and talk about wanting to kill Steam, i.e. not to fix a monopoly situation but to change which store has the monopoly. Epic having a monopoly on PC game distribution would be worse, because Epic Games Store as a platform is worse. Not to mention that they began their big push against Steam by pissing everyone off with paid exclusivity, which, from the point of view of a consumer wanting to buy a game, is an anti-competitive move.
As for the free giveaways (which have almost certainly attracted all the new users they will ever attract but continue anyway either to undercut Steam or because Epic is afraid of a backlash if the giveaways ever stop), it just made people see Epic as the free game store. These giveaways have definitely hurt sales elsewhere -- e.g. almost nobody will ever buy "Monument Valley" on Steam again because practically everyone will have gotten it for free on EGS this week -- but by actually having to compensate the developer, the amount of actual money lost by Epic here is far greater the amount of hypothetical money taken away from Steam.

>>720032104 (OP)
Pitchford is such a fucking moron

>>720032104 (OP)
I bought one game on Epic once. The overlay was causing me issues, the launcher kept switching settings to default on updates and ignoring overlay off settings and it was intrusive. It felt like I installed a malware, which is probably not far from the truth. Uninstalled, never even played the game despite being hyped for it and never looked back. I will never buy any game on anything that is not Steam or GOG. Fuck all of them.

>>720032104 (OP)
Randy was just predicting Borderlands 4 won't sell well

>>720038730
>Tim being such a blatant scumbag also soured the store's reputation to the point that a not insignificant number of people refuse to use it on principle and would rather wait for a game to become available elsewhere or pirate it than buy it from his store.
If a game is only on EGS I am not going to even pirate it out of principle. I'm surprised UE5 has really good dev-oriented business model compared to their garbage store.

>>720035046
>steam store promotes games
That's just every single store. That's how a store looks, both real and online. EGS has Windows notifications for offers lmao.

>>720032104 (OP)
KWAB

>>720032104 (OP)
The shilling just consisted in calling Steam users fanatics and in a cult, not very effective.

>>720047674
People only buy Borderlands when it's $5 now. It won't sell for a long time, but it'll make it's money back.

>>720038730
It is funny, how in public he and his staff didn't even bother to lie and say, "customers are important blah blah blah". But I guess, being a smug cunt is considered a valid marketing strategy nowadays.

>>720046903
Exclusivity would not matter. Tim just had to go on record and say, "EGS is just a store and launcher and does NOT contain Chink spyware". Except that he kept smug and silent while Steam shills were ruining his reputation by just shitposting.

>>720032104 (OP)
They didn't copy the best features Steam had to offer. Plus, it's kind of a hard sell. Like everyone already has Steam, and it's been established. If you are not going to buy a game off Steam, why not go with Gag or whatever it's called and give 100 percent of your money to the developer? Like, yeah, Epic had a better money split than Steam for developers, but they really didn't make that the core of their identity. They should have been aggressive about it. "We only take five percent!" If they made the money split that good and made commercials about how much better they are for Indies to work for, and got YouTubers to talk about them. It really could have been a game-changer.

Side note: The aesthetic felt off. Like, Steam has these cool vibes all around it. But Epic Games felt kind of childish/boring.

>>720032104 (OP)
It could still happen, but probably won't. Because they were late to the party.

>>720039242
I think everyone also forgot the massive data breach at the beginning of the epic stores launch. I had some piece of shit buy like 400 dollars worth of fortnite shit using my account and in the month and a half it took for epic to sort it out I lost about 20 dollars due to exchange rate changes.

shitty storefront, shitty strong armed development policies, shitty time gated exclusivity. there's nothing redeemable about the way Epic has gone about working there way into the market and I will never have that shitty launcher on my PC again

Simple. You can't do have a basedjak sucking a pacifier avatar on Epic Games.