Thread 720111906

Killing a man with a wife and kids to protect your own dirty secrets seems a bit excessive if not villainous.

But if you didn't kill him your secret would get out.

This is a mature game for mature gamers, we need constant killings to showcase our maturity.

once you take the black, you can't go back

>>720111906 (OP)
>Whoopsie doodle. I don't think this whole special forces thing is for me. Thanks for the opportunity, but I'd like to quit the military.

Calling it a "dirty secret" seems a bit uncharitable if not dishonest.

i would kill that faggot myself, just for his bald and faggy face

>>720111906 (OP)
It is 'the' secret of the order. They were also given fair warning about the ceremony and that there was no turning back. Like multiple times.

>>720111906 (OP)
> hey, our group has special privileges, allows mages, has a lot of connections
> but we pay a HEFTY price, make sure to understand that
> once you do this, there is no going back, understood?
> your first job is to go into this dangerous forest and kill a bunch of dark spawn, bring back the blood
> wow you did it, okay, last chance, you in or out?
> you're in? Very cool, here is one of our biggest secrets that we can never let anyone else know
> now drink this

And after all that he THEN chose to go all "there is no honor in this" and draws his sword against the guy. He was warned over and over and over again that there is no turning back. And his quests already gave him a taste of what's to come.

But what did the Darkspawn eat?

>>720113161
people, bile, and insects

>>720112420
We kill deserters though. You should probably stay and serve until your term limit is over. It says here the term of service you agreed to was for life. You made the decision. It's a bit late to back out now.

>>720111906 (OP)
moralfagging against the only group capable of stopping the big bad is a bit silly isn't it? they have reason to want to protect their secrets and to be fair his ass was warned in advance.

Jory wasnt fit for the wardens but Duncan is also terrible at picking recruits. Nice and patient guy but terrible at reading the room and realizing a man like that is better served in the generic Ferelden military, rather than an elite group whos job involves killing monstrous beings.

There is a story about how a French officer calmly explained to a deserter why all deserters have to be killed and the deserter in the end agreed and asked to be put to death. If you think Duncan did something wrong, you are a pussy-boy. You either kill your deserters or you don't have a functioning nation-state.

>>720111906 (OP)
>uhm murdering the traitor/oathbreaker is wrong
>uh, yeah he knew there was no turning back and was given every opportunity to leave
>yeah, he drew his weapon first
>it's just wrong m'kay
>no I won't reflect on the fact they're drinking the blood of corrupted beings
>fuck the consequences of that getting out, he was a father!

>>720111906 (OP)
>repeatedly told there's no turning back if he gets that far
>pulls knife as he deserts
>WAAAOW THE KILLED ME THANKS GREY WARDENS

>>720112112
Woahh

>>720111906 (OP)
>the gray wardens are kinda villainous, doing shit like the means justify the consequences kinda shit, gotta break a couple of eggs to make a pizza pie, know what I mean???
Yeah. It's great. Shame what BioWare turned them into in the sequels.

>>720111906 (OP)
He was saving him from the franchise

>>720111906 (OP)
>scene of his deathcan be easily used for a fakeout
>he actually dies
it'd be perfect if we found him in the arl howe mansion instead of some random orlesian warden, what was the fucking point?

>>720115392
This.
Also his family was forsaken the moment he was sent to the Grey Wardens anyway, so it'd be a moot point regardless.

>>720115392
>French soldier deserts, then gives up and accepts to be executed
Yeah. Checks out.

>>720114542
I don't even think any Kingdom would be willing to give up their best soldiers apt for "an elite group whose job involves killing monstrous beings" in the first place.
Which creates the problem only leftovers tend to be sent to this hard job.
Also people don't take the Darkspawn at a tangible threat in the beginning of DA:O, which would make matters of recruitment worse.

>>720111906 (OP)
>have a family you want to return to
>opt into an Order that asks you to surrender all claims to your past life and swear into an eternal vigil
Was he retarded? Even without the blood ritual, he was at the very least destined to die in the army. He should have joined a mercenary troupe if he just wanted to crack some heads for glory

>Hey man I figured we'd be uh, killing darkspawn and not chugging their blood thats fucking retarded
Honestly he has a point

>>720117472
I thought Warden recruits were forced into conscription by some old mutual defense treaty made by rulers but that fucker really asked to join them.

>>720117502
if it works and it's the only known way of defeating an archdemon, then it's not retarded
good thing morrigan was there to get pregnant, though
do they explain what the fuck the darkspawn really are in later games, by the way? is it something absolutely gay?

>>720111906 (OP)
yeah it's almost like it's a controversial factions or something, didn't bioware realize that while making them?

>>720117662
According to the Chantry, they were created when the Magisters Sidereal of the Tevinter Imperium opened a portal into the Golden City, tainting the realm of the Maker with their corruption and returning as the first darkspawn, their evil transfiguring them into the monsters they became. The taint they carried infected others, turning them into darkspawn as well.

The dwarves give little credit to Chantry beliefs, but they themselves have no known origin story for the darkspawn. As far as the dwarves are concerned, the darkspawn simply appeared underground, with some Shapers hypothesizing that there is a queen broodmother − the first mother.

According to Dorian Pavus and Fenris, magisters deny their involvement in starting the Blight. They claim the darkspawn have always existed, and that the magisters have no connection to them. Slaves are not regaled with a Tevinter version of the Chant of Light, so Fenris could not confirm if there is an official Imperial Chantry stance beyond typical Tevinter opinion.

tl;dr No. They're just "not-Orcses-from-Mordor"

>>720117568
My understanding was that conscription was used sparingly because the treaties that let them do it were already on thin ice (political instability, no active Blight that anyone was aware of to justify it) which is why the Grey Wardens numbers were so low to begin with

>>720117740
yeah, I know the chantry version and shit, I was wondering if they ever explain in a book or sequel what REALLY happened, like how the dread wolf is actually a dindu that saved the elves from their petty gods

>>720117946
As I understand, Darkspawn became more of a "DA:O" thing than a Dragon Age thing in general. Unless they came back in relevancy in Wokeguard, which I'll never play.
Even all the Coripheus thing in 2 and 3 don't elaborate much on darkspawn themselves.

>>720118080
damn, darkspawn and the qunari are the only cool things in dragon age, shame they ignored the former and ruined the latter

>>720117662
I've a friend who played it so this is second hand
>spirits wanted bodies so they take lyrium and make some, becoming first elves
>lyrium was sentient giants and they get angry
>elves win by sealing their spirits in the fade
>angry lyrium spirits get used as weapon by bad guy elves
>tevinter accidentally releases some and creates the blight
Also they removed broodmothers so darkspawn aren't problematic

>>720111906 (OP)
This scene would've quite easily worked a lot better if the game gave you some reason as to why this would need to remain a secret in the first place. Would the prejudiced, maker-fearing populace be scandalized and persecute the order, would kings refuse to give them fiefs, etc. But since the only cost of drinking darkspawn blood is a premature death and madness of the individual, it seems like a small price to pay and hardly something that'd even need to be kept a secret (since just about everyone would be okay with that tradeoff) let alone warrant killing innocents to protect it.

>>720119141
everything wrong in the dragon age universe can be blamed on the elves, huh?

>>720112026
Well why is that more important?

>>720119561
around elves...

>>720119593
>Hey guys, we Grey Wardens fight the blight no matter the where and when, and in order to do this effectively we have to ingest the taint when we join which; lowers your fertility to almost zero, shortens your life span, means you are forever tied to the blight mentally.
>Yes most people who join die but you die for the chance of serving a good cause!

>>720119527
I think that people would be less inclined to join the Wardens voluntarily if they knew that it meant undergoing a demonic blood ritual that will likely kill you on the spot, actually

>>720115392
Anons will make posts like these then rant about how the jews are taking away their media, making life harder or ruining the nuclear family dynamic and society.

>>720120181
With great power comes great responsibility. Soldiers have power over life and death, they can't just be allowed to walk away when things get inconvenient.

>>720113221
>bile
Nah, that's what the broodmothers eat. Because that's the "spew", and not any other kind.

>>720111906 (OP)
Taxing all sales, taxing all land, taxing all property, then taxing everyone's paycheck seems a bit excessive if not villainous.

>>720120181
what he said has been the status quo for military doctrine since antiquity

what do you mean

>>720111906 (OP)
They told him every step of the way that signing on with the Wardens meant that he'd only leave in a bodybag. Hardly their fault he chose to pussy out at the last possible minute. Daveth didn't hesitate to drink, even though he was only there because he was conscripted out of a hangman's noose.

>>720120587
OY GEFILTE FISH!!!! cool it with the antisemitism

>>720111906 (OP)
Eventually he gets killed to protect Loghain's secrets, so it all balances out in the end.

>>720118410
Do you seriously still give a shit about anything dragon age beyond origins? Where do you people come from?

>>720118080
>Unless they came back in relevancy in Wokeguard
They did, and it sucked.

>>720121060
I played for the first time recently, before that I had swore off the franchise because the start of dragon age 2 was boring

>>720120891
>daveth
Still think it's a shame he died would have gladly traded in zevran for him.