Thread 720301520

The eternal debate

>>720301520 (OP)
Divinity has better environment interactivity but WOTR has better writing and character building.

CRPGfags being the pettiest of bitches no matter the decade is a sign that some things really never do change.

>>720301693
>and character building
Even RT has better character building than Pathfinder, biggest meme ever

>>720301520 (OP)
Debate about what? I love both. Both are great games.
You really don't have to pick one and base your whole personality on it. It's okay to enjoy multiple video games.

>>720301750
Unless you play on Unfair or the difficulty right below Unfair the character building is good.

>>720301520 (OP)
>Woke slop vs woke slop
Will we ever get a good crpg

>>720301520 (OP)
they BOTH suck!
but Pathfinder sucks way worse
I was shocked how shit the writing in both was, very cringy

fuck you fuck you fuck you stop making these threads

>>720301520 (OP)
I really enjoyed baldurs gate 3 and I want to play something similar. Any sugestions to what game I should get? :)

>>720302204
DOS2 because it was literally made by the same developers

>>720302228
Thank you!

>>720301520 (OP)
Pathfinder is a game made for faggots who look up builds so they can feel good about their 55AC 24 Spell Level Angel Oracle doing better than a dude who assumed that two different class abilities of the same name didn't stack, while being DM'ed by a demonic lawyer playing rules as written.

The bottom is a game made for people who have never once considered building anything other than damage and is DM'ed by a sadistic fucking retard with the subtlety of a public execution.

I highly recommend both of them and also underrail which is a game made by the raped, for the raped.

>>720301520 (OP)
I like them both a whole lot

I really don't care for the gameplay much in either, but WotR is at least familiar to me.
The writing in WotR is better by an inch or two. I really dislike the characters in DOS2, and although I don't enjoy the whole cast of WotR, there are at least a few characters that are interesting and are fun to explore.
Wrath wins

>>720302309
Holy projection

>>720301520 (OP)
Didn't play WotR yet, but DOS2 is one of the worst videogames I ever experienced. Its visuals design is atrocious, controls are terrible, gameplay is not enjoyable and most dialogues are painful to read.

>>720301520 (OP)
>picture off google
>dumb bait

>>720302204
Don't get DOS2, you will be depressed by the comparative lack of polish and the cheapness of the characters.

Got into pathfinder before bg3 release, and godamn the game was deep. Got into it pretty hard for 40-50h and stopped cold turkey when reaching the demon place chapter. It's just too fucking long, I did really enjoy the warmode on the map though.
Divinity I quit after the island, not for me at all.

>>720302309
>underrail
Now you've gone and made it cringe

>>720302204
dos 2 if you want the same "gets boring after halfway point" feeling
fuck the act 3 and 4

>that super highly rated game that everyone agrees is good?
>it's actually shit
>i have a very exquisite taste btw,
>so exquisite in fact, that i don't enjoy any video game
modern /v/ is so tiresome

>>720302402
Do you have any other game recommendations? :)

>>720302204
Dragon Age Origins

>>720301889
What is woke about DOS2?

>>720302586
Already played it

>>720302591
the player

>>720302680
Non-answer, WotR had a transbian marriage, does DOS2 have something like that?

>>720302548
If you really want a BG3 — a game with lots of character interaction and building — Wrath of the Righteous isn't a bad choice. I will say that the gameplay is a LOT crunchier than 5e, but you can still play and beat the game on normal difficulty with unoptimized builds.

Some of the characters are really interesting. Evil characters are genuinely evil and not just morally grey, which is refreshing compared to BG3

>>720302721
yes

>>720301520 (OP)
both shit games for nerds with no friends

>>720301520 (OP)
DOS is genuine dogshit while wotr is somewhat playable

>>720302728
>Evil characters are genuinely evil and not just morally grey
Literally the only non-morally grey evil character is the generic serial killer

>>720302204
Mass Effect 1, KotOR 1&2, Neverwinter Nights 2, Planescape: Torment

DoS 1&2 are incredibly dull and I wouldn't recommend them. Owlcat's Pathfinder games and Rogue Trader are alright though.

WotR is unplayable without mods.

>>720302630
In this case only KotOR1 and 2 are somewhat similar, BG3 was very clearly created as a modern DAO, and DAO was KotOR with more CRPG.
Maybe also Drakensang: The Dark Eye/The River of Time and NWN2, but they are more or less DAO at home. I love both Drakensangs though, and NWN2 is kinda worth playing for MotB.

>>720301813
>can't like multiple similar things
>can't say anything bad about something without everyone assuming you hate it and vice versa
>can't call anything overrated because everyone acts like that means it's bad
Arguing quality on this site has zero nuance.

>>720302728
Thank you :)

>>720302204
GTA V
The Witcher 3
Cyberpunk 2077
Red Dead Redemption 2
Mass Effect
Dragon Age Origins
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Fallout: New Vegas
Fallout 4
Persona 4
Yakuza 7

>>720301520 (OP)
Divinity 2s god awful "story" and constant "haha gotcha" trash twists the retarded devs constnatly shoved in really pissed me off to the point I just got tired of it.
>Sees the red torturing and brutalizing adults and children constantly
>chapter 3 rolls in
>"ERMMMM ACTUALLY THEY WERE THE GOOD ONES"
>Most obvious twist villains ever, can even find all their secrets
>BUT NO you get "put into a prison" for some retarded reason beside being essentially a demi-god
>That fucking "Noooo I did it for the good of people" twist at the end

>>720303747
then why do you browse it?

>>720302867
Having a character be capable of redemption doesn't get in the way of them being outright evil from the outset. Wenduag is absolutely evil, she's eating people for power.

>>720301520 (OP)
Both are great, but i like pathfinder more

I do not like Larian games, they make environmental hazards matter way too much and center a lot of content around you playing as one of their OC's instead of a custom PC.

>>720301520 (OP)
>Pathfinder
Mid tier writing/story. Assloads of worthless dialogues which aren't voiced and don't matter. Character building is an illusion of choice, there is a clear meta of what works and what doesn't. Picking outside the meta just means you choose to be shit. Zero interactivity with the environment.
>D:OS2
Okay story. Dialogues are voiced, concise and don't waste your time. Character building is non-permanent and lets you change your entire build on the fly so it isn't as important. Environment is very interactive.

>>720301520 (OP)
Pathfinder is pretty fun but Owlcat continue making the same mistake over and over. They just fill every single area of the game with constant shitty combat. I managed to finish WoTR but it completely filtered me out of their W40k game, because on top of that also being a problem there, the combat system in that game was so fucking insanely slow and clunky to utilize, I have no idea how anyone tolerated it.

Gameplay-wise, BG3 mogs both I'm afraid.

>>720305356
DOS2 story is miles worse than pathfinder and its not even close
Nobody gives a fuck about ANY character in divinity

>>720305539
Vancian casting is built around the assumption that you fight more than 1 combat a day
Bg3 fails to address that and in fa CT reinforces it with their infinite use rest click able

>>720301520 (OP)
Both are filled with writing that's incapable of taking itself seriously, treating everything like a joke

>>720305561
In what way is the story of either pathfinder game good? The player has zero agency in either of them.
>UHH GO CONQUER THIS PIECE OF LAND... BECAUSE!!
Uhh congrats I guess, now fight off generic garbage enemies for literal years until a big boss spawns for you.
>UHH GO FIGHT DEMONS... BECAUSE!!
Uhh okay now fight more demons, and then kill an evil demon woman. Very cool!

They're incredibly generic, the only thing pathfinder has going for it is the demon city which I can't even remember the name of. The appeal of Pathfinder games is making a munchkin that one-shots loads of niggers, nobody gives a fuck about the story or 'characters'.

>>720302757
Can you name it?

>>720301520 (OP)
I suck cock at least once a week AMA

>>720306196
>uhh the story is bad because... you do stuff
I love it when absolute mouthbreathing retards try to pretend they have advanced taste and then they just end up making absolute fucking fools out of themselves.

>>720306492
Why do you enjoy Owlcat games?

>>720306196
Kiss the kitty

>>720306196
Youre fighting demons because theyre evil and going to murder and rape you and everyone else
Act 1 is because you need to survive
Act 2-4 is at the command of the queen
Act 5 is you seeing things through to the end for your own personal reasons based on your path and choices

>>720306641
lots of builds

>>720306773
>martial
>ranged martial
>caster that one shots enemies (objectively the best one)
>caster that disables enemies (just one shot them instead)
>caster that deals damage (useless)
That's not a lot

>>720306898
yeah it is

>>720306898
This is every video game ever though?
And damage caster works just fine, Storm of Justice is insane, zippy magic is insane

>>720301520 (OP)
Haven't been able to get into DivOS2. Furthest I've gotten is the settlement after you survive the shipwreck. The writing is horribly dull.
Should I just force myself to get past a certain point? When does it get good?

>>720307136
it's good from the start you stupid fucking chud

>>720307229
So am I to assume the writing doesn't improve then?

>>720307136
>>720307304
No it just gets worse
DOS2 popularity is entirely zoomers playing it as baby's first mediocre physics engine where you can drop enemies in weird places with teleport and feel huge brained for doing exactly what literally everyone else does
I dont think most people could name a single non playable npc in dos2

>>720307464
>DOS2 popularity is entirely zoomers playing it as baby's first mediocre physics engine
This but WotR is baby's first build autism simulator

>>720306898
>Ranged Martial
Aka worst martial. Pathfinder has two builds. Martial and Weird caster.

>>720307528
Except Pathfinder is popular with grogs not normalfags, try again

>>720301520 (OP)
DOS 2's story wasn't terribly interesting to me but the world and characters were charming enough to keep me somewhat invested. Ended up bouncing off the game over how they handled the gear. Needing to dump rare loot because it's too low level to be helpful anymore but unable to use a sword I found two levels higher than me without a serious accuracy penalty feels shitty. It also does have that feel of "Oh I'm playing a worse BG3" to it though I did like the crafting system made it so even useless items in the world might have a purpose.
Wrath of the Righteous though somehow really got it's teeth in me. Not sure why specifically - a lot of the complaints I see about it are entirely true but I just want to keep playing and trying different runs/classes/mythic paths.
>>720307464
>I dont think most people could name a single non playable npc in dos2
Does Bree count? I hope she's keeping it together.

>>720307628
Kek, after Larian Owlcat games are easily the most popular ones in the CRPG genre

>>720307794
>Of the two active CRPG developers, Owlcat is in second place!
Okay. So?

>>720307794
Most popular amount actual crpg grogs, yeah. Its a grog genre that scares normies away because most crpgs dont pull their punches and are dense as fuck
Normies never leave their Larian slop trough

>>720308860
It really do be like that

>>720305539
You can actually break Rogue Trader's combat so much.
You can even get to the stage where the enemy NEVER have a turn as you do a setup where you can buff a character (technically on the very first possible turn) to make every enemy on the map explode without ever move a single step.

>>720307707
>>720307136
Apparently Fane is the best origin character to play as, considering how much he ties to the lore of the world and how much details he already knows and to uncover.

>>720306898
>extreme oversimplification
retard

>>720305301
>you playing as one of their OC's instead of a custom PC
Only DOS2 is like this

>>720309387
>What do you mean its not a boss!?

>>720310586
>will +30
easy

>>720308860
The funny part is that the 75 ac enemy isn't even hard becuase you probably have like 100 attack rolls after your prebuffing session

>>720308860
Larian encounter design also sort of encourages players to do all sorts of pre combat cheesing. Ranging to prebuffing (especially with buff pausing with dialogue cheese) to party position ambush setups with traps stacking

Otherwise you either get gimmicked or pray to survive ambush.

I also don't like the stupid diablo style loot rolling for basically every chests and containers.

>>720310586
>Be a Lich with complete fear immunity
>This piece of shit can Dazzling Display me anyways

I spent more time trying to kill him than anything else in the game.

>>720308860
the sad thing is despite all that in Wotr late game you can get so overpowered you end game in 1 turn. Atleast in BG1/2 autismo difficulty mods combat can last a long time and get very tactical
https://youtu.be/F-P7DOuazQk?list=PLAmVMMzG6qEqEad6Paa-d68TPoA9F0RF7&t=11224

>>720310678
>Larian encounter design also sort of encourages players to do all sorts of pre combat cheesing
It's funny that people never mention this. I can't tell you how many times I got stuck on a fight in DOS2 just to position all of my characters behind the enemy to get first attack and completely steamroll the fight.

>>720310516
BG3 is full of shit that's locked up in you picking to play as an Origin Character.

>>720311430
>needs mods for any semblance of challenge
too bad the base games are piss easy

>>720311614
>lying on the internet
The origin characters' stories can be experienced by having them as companion, that's what their companion quests are for. The main character is Durge and he's fully customizable, literally just Tav+

>>720311647
only if u posses the arcane knowledge of AD&D, by that logic pathfinder is piss easy too and there are no mods fixing retarded stat bloat while in SCS enemies have reasonable stats and game gets harder because of significantly improved AI and combat scripts

>>720311728
There is content that's locked if you don't pick the origin characters though.
Origin Karlach can get her condition healed without romancing Gale
Origin Gale can ascend to godhood. Normal Gale can too, but it's not the same because you're not controlling him.

>>720312623
>Origin Gale can ascend to godhood. Normal Gale can too, but it's not the same because you're not controlling him.

You should word this better Anon because this doesn't explain anything.

>>720312623
I mean, yes, obviously they need SOME things to stand out and encourage you to play as them, Wyll isn't going to be evil if you don't play as him for example, but that's obviously grasping at straws and nothing compared to what DOS2 did, where your custom character is utterly irrelevant while every companion has their own story going on. In this game Tav gets this treatment, but Durge is the real main character so it's not a problem (only reason why they got separated is because normalfags would no doubt complain about being forced to play as a murderer)

who the fuck is Dallis?

>>720312053
i don't know shit about ad&d but bg1 and 2 was as simple as "lower number good" pf has a lot more going on

>>720312053
>only if u posses the arcane knowledge of AD&D
ad&d is extremely simple compared to 3 and 3.5, retard

>>720312840
>You should word this better Anon
Origin Gale: You ascend to godhood and you control what Gale does and says. You can save Karlach. You can even try and kill Mystra to become the new god of magic
Normal Gale: You cannot control what Gale says or does. As a result, Gale will become detached and aloof from the party. For example, he won't even save Karlach unless Karlach is romancing him. He will not challenge Mystra
Is that better?

>>720301520 (OP)
Two completely different games that are not similar other than having a fantasy setting.

>>720313227
>Two completely different games
Actually they are both CRPGs so they do share some similarities

>>720306196
>NOOOO you can't kill the evil invading demons just because they're evil and invading didn't you read to kill a mockingbird ???
thanks for confirming the average larianfag is a mentally ill leftist

>>720313305
He literally didn't say that

>>720312053
You're being unbelievably disingenuous if you're comparing the difficulty of MODDED Baldur's Gate to vanilla Pathfinder. Yes, it's true that Baldur's Gates has some mods that can make the game challenging, but you can't bring it up in a discussion about vanilla encounters found in Owlcat and Larian RPGs.

>>720313058
you're right, he's retarded and thinks old=complex, but that's wrong, 3.5 was the peak of mechanical complexity for dnd, 2e (aka adnd) was probably less complex than 5e

>>720304881
what would be the equivalent of james may arriving in his cheap, boring but functional dacia sandero?

>>720313074
>>720313058
Everyone uses the same 5 feat chains in PF because rest is useless bloat, you can 1 shot everything even on unfair game is literally definition wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle. Combat is not fun and magic is neutered and gay as fuck, theres nothing which comes even close to the depth of SCS late game fights in BG2
https://youtu.be/wu4jBLU5U0E?list=PL9VJninnnZ-on-cwFys-W4gIi1gaWYlwX&t=10630

>>720313107
Yes because you showed the differences between the two and explained your grievances. Though I disagree because you can influence how Gale acts depending on if you encourage his ambition. You can push him to continue being a good goy for Mystra or embrace the crown and go against her. Obviously you get a more in-depth reaction if you play as Gale himself since you can choose exactly what he does and see the results of that, but the Origin playthroughs (to me) just feel like extra content to already existing moments in a regular Tav/Durge playthrough.

>>720313972
>i-i-if you download these mods the game is actually good trust me bros!!!
bgfags actually worse than skyrimtards

>>720313972
guess what? you don't even pick feats in 2e and bg1/bg2

>>720306196
>The player has zero agency in either of them.
Kingmaker
>Redeem or Slay Nyrissa
>Side with the Lantern King
>Break the Crown, humiliating both Nyrissa and the Lantern King
>Genocide the Trolls, Goblins, Mites, and Kobolds, or integrate then into your society
>Kill or Ally with Armag
>Side with the Swordlords, the Surtovas, or opt to stay neutral
>Rout the Bandits or use them as your state sanctioned tax collectors
>Crush the peasants and appease the nobility or favor the peasants and curb the influence of the nobility
>If you fuck up, literally every single companion can die (aside from the tieflings), some will even kill each other
>If you fuck up the Tiefling quest, then one of the siblings will be dragged to hell
I could keep going on and on, but it's unbelievably disingenuous to say that you have no player agency in Kingmaker.
>UHH GO CONQUER THIS PIECE OF LAND... BECAUSE!!
No? You're a mercenary or adventurer who showed up to claim land taken over by bandits. You're doing this because it allows you to become a noble with an alliance with the powerful Swordlords, which means your kand should in theory prosper, unfortunately for you, you're unaware of the curses that inhabit the land

>>720314084
>>i-i-if you download these mods the game is actually good trust me bros!!!
This is not an argument you want to use when defending Pathfinder

>>720313449
you are comparing pre internet era game from 1998 barely any post release support to game which is getting new content for like a decade straight, also Owlcat literally included the best community mods in their enhanced edition

>>720314197
pathfinder has mods to make the game easier while bg has mods to make it harder because unmodded it was literally baby's first rpg

>>720313972
Why the fuck are you comparing a modded game's difficulty to a vanilla game's difficulty?

>>720314308
>the tedium of prebuffing for five minutes is difficulty

>>720301520 (OP)
I like having a grand scale strategy and empire to build, and making decisions on that scale that affects my nation. Bg3 and divinity don't really do that.
That being said both are pozzed as shit, even my pro tranny liberal friend felt it was a bit much

>>720303290
Man I played nwn and enjoyed it, especially the custom modules. Cannot for the life of me get into nwn2. Is it cool to skip the main game to jump right into MotB?

>>720314357
could ask you the same OWLcat added multiple community mods to their game since enhanced edition

>>720314464
Owlcat didn't even add any mods to make the game harder, so this comparison is frankly irrelevant
>>720314275
>you are comparing pre internet era game from 1998
Irrelevant. You are literally comparing a game you have to mod to a vanilla game. Vanilla Pathfinder is harder than Baldur's Gate on unfair. That's a fact. You need to download mods to make Baldur's Gate challenging. I don't understand why you're trying to pretend this isn't true.

>>720306196
>>UHH GO CONQUER THIS PIECE OF LAND... BECAUSE!!
You are literally offered free, fertile land to rule aa you please if you can conquer and pacify it. That is very much a common thing that happened irl all the time.
>UHH GO FIGHT DEMONS... BECAUSE!!
What do you mean "because"? Do you not read? Did you even play the games?

>>720314518
>you need to download mods to make Baldur's Gate challenging

are you seriously going to lie game is not challenging in atleast your first playthrough? You either played on story mode or walk through on second monitor

>>720314583
>What do you mean "because"? Do you not read?
You don't get it, anon. Owlcat is stripping away his player agency by not letting him roleplay as a retard who simply sits and waits for the demons to kill everyone and then drag their souls to the abyss so that their souls can be tortured for all of eternity.

>>720314518
>Vanilla Pathfinder is harder than Baldur's Gate on unfair
Is it though? Even on unfair you just prebuff and win, it's only truly hard in the early game, for the same reason why every early game ever is hard

>>720301693
I really don't trust this after experiencing the writing in Kingmaker lol

>>720314770
>Reading comprehension
Vanilla Pathfinder on its hardest difficulty is harder than Vanilla Baldur's Gate on its hardest difficulty. Baldur's Gate is only harder if you download mods that modify the game to be harder.
>>720314849
>Even on unfair you just prebuff and win,
...so the same as Baldur's Gate? Have you ever actually played 2? Every hard fight can be cheesed by throwing on every buff that your mage and cleric have onto your martials. If you have Fighter/Mage or Fighter/Cleric characters, then that's even better because they can buff themselves even harder.
Early game works the same way too with you sniping the enemies with CC spells before you move in for the kill.
https://youtu.be/O1_UUYtppns
This is a modded BG2 on tactical difficulty with SCS installed btw

>>720314518
>Wotr community mods dont count cause they dont add difficulty
LMAO, because they are incompetent hacks and choose the lazy stat bloat route, even vanilla BG1 AI has better than WotR

>>720314849
you know you can just throw several cloud kill or fire balls from a safe distance in bg1 and bg2?

>>720314308
>because unmodded it was literally baby's first rpg
BG2 is pretty hard until you learn the magic system and all sorts of cheese. But for some reason, mandatory cheese in BG2 felt entertaining, while mandatory cheese in DOS2 was dreadfully dull.

>>720315235
I'm gonna be fair to the devs here that is just how Pathfinder and 3.5E in general works. The rocket tag is notorious.

>>720315125
theres no vanilla pathfinder it includes multiple community mods and patches, its fair to compare that 10 year in development unity Frankenstein to modded BG which mogs Wotr mercilessly

>>720315432
>TT Pathfinder has shitty AI
huh???

>>720315235
that's genuinely not the case dude, in bg1 you can just throw several cloud kill or fire balls from a safe distance or lure enemies 1 by one
this is extremely hard to do in wotr

i don't think you played bg1 recently

>>720314446
>Is it cool to skip the main game to jump right into MotB?
If you know the plot of the OC, it's no big deal. Otherwise, some things in MotB will probably confuse you.
The only issue is that a fresh character starts at level 18, so there's a chance you won't reach level 30.

>>720315510
Tabletop pathfinder has stat bloat because no matter how you play high level encounters, it's going to end in 1-2 rounds.

>>720315518
>this is extremely hard to do in wotr
It's impossible because stealth is fucking useless

>>720313972
I fucking hate you midwits, the game has a few broken one shot everything builds but doesn't force you to use them. Disarming Strike Paladin slapping Deskari's scythe out of his hands so he gets attack of opportunity'd to death is totally legitimate on hard and unfair even if it's not as good as other builds.

>>>720315484
>theres no vanilla pathfinder it includes multiple community mods and patches
None of which change the difficulty, so the gameplay is vanilla.
>its fair to compare that 10 year in development unity Frankenstein to modded BG which mogs Wotr mercilessly
No it's not reasonable to compare a modded game to a vanilla game. That's like saying Skyrim has better graphics than Red Dead Redemption 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 because you can throw on 100gb of 4k graphic mods for it

>>720315608
no, that's not the reason, in bg1 you don't need any stealth, you can easily lure enemies 1 by one or throw a fireball, run away and throw another fireball later
you can't really do that in wotr, the enemies are just much more alerted, it's possible but very hard to lure just 1 enemy of a group of enemies or do some damage to them and run away

>dude bg1-2 are totally hard

Really hard to take some of you seriously
You can clear BG1-2 as a solo archer with boots of speed.
The games are so basic and devoid of any real strategy, it really makes me think none of you actually played them.

>>720315807
>b-but my modded game doesnt count cause they are lazy or not good enough to improve combat scripts
you are pathetic, combat in wotr blows, has no nuance and its basically stat check

>>720314175
None of these choices actually matter. Both of those games are combatslops but atleast Pathfinder doesn't have long and obnoxious combat of DOS2 where you have to watch every single character do their 30 second long dances before attacking

>>720316258
>combat in wotr blows, has no nuance and its basically stat check
...so just like in vanilla Baldur's Gate I and II, then? I'm starting to think you've never even played BGI and II

>>720316460
even in comparison of modded wotr with 10 years of patches and support to vanilla BG mage duels are still superior to Wotr stat check prebuff simulator.

>>720316258
dude, fighters in bg1 and 2 only pick weapon specialization points
rogues have some skill points to assign to disarm trap, pickpockets and shit like that
there are no reflex/will/fortitude saves or anything else that would justify putting points in anything else other than dex/str/con if you're a martial class, you can just dump all your stats in dex/str/con

only spontaneous casters are slightly more customizable cause you pick your spells
adnd is very rudimentary in the character development department

Women don't play pathfinder, thus proving it is the superior game

>>720316382
>None of these choices actually matter
If you side with Nyrissa then she joins you for the final act and the final act is significantly extended because you and Nyrissa travel around the Fae world to learn how to flip the Lantern King's curse. You also get unique ending slides.

If you spare the trolls, then they will return and start to rampage against your kingdom.

If you don't do Ekun's quest or you fuck it up, then he dies in the House of End.

If you don't help Jubilost in his quest, then he will die in the House of the end

If you don't redeem Jaethal, then Tristan and Jaethal will kill each other

If you don't restore Nok Nok's confidence, then Nyrissa kills him.

If the tieflings' father outwits you, then he drags one of his daughters to hell

If you fuck up and don't get all of the research, then you can't get the Secret Ending

If you take the Surtova advisor and then side with the Swordlords, then she will abandon you

If you take the swordlord advisor and then side with the Surtova, then he will abandon you.

Octavia will kill herself to save Regongar if you're romancing him, and likewise, Regongar will kill himself to save Octavia if you're romancing her

If you let Amiri duel her Chief, then she will be beaten and captured

If you disagree with any of your advisors three times, then they will resign and refuse to work for you

Kill or spare Tristan after he betrays you.

Should I keep going?

>>720301520 (OP)
Really enjoyed DOS2.
Can't wait to wrap up PFKM (fun so far) and start WOTR.

DOS1 is the best game for me.

The encounters felt a bit more interesting than "here's a fucking big boss that chases you around or meme 50 blobs exploding at you", the story was slightly more interesting and the combat was much more interesting since you could actually leverage the whole environmental effect shit to win fights with and it wasn't just a shit gimmick.

>>720317075
>Women don't play pathfinder
Yes they do

>>720317216
>PFKM (fun so far)
the first 1/3 or maybe 1/2 are fun but it becomes a massive slog. I recommend just turning the game on easy at that point and zooming thru the map or you'll go mad.

>>720316730
You're delusional. Mage combat in Baldur's Gate is:
>Cast spell to strip Mage of their defenses
>Kill them
Pathfinder
>Cast dispel to strip them of their defenses if necessary
>Kill them

It's the same shit

>>720317657
>DOS2 Playthrough
4 women in the first 15 results
>WOTR Playthrough
Not a single woman in the first 100 results

>>720316810
vanilla classes like fighter in bg1 are on simpler side because you are not controlling 1 char but all 6 in real time with pause and 100% mismanaging something all the time anyway. Late game even pure fighter has to micromanage HLAs and item actives during combat. if you more options pick multi/dual classes or more advanced kits you.
Also only specialization points on level up is not a full picture, you constantly change spell setups, contingency, sequencers and items actives. Big part of bg2 char building comes from item and party setup, something not mentioned yet is how good BG1/2 legendary items are and way you acquire them still mogs 99% of CRPGs games of today. There are late game items you build your entire char around, even item lore descriptions are superior to most games.

>>720317768
>Cast spell to strip Mage of their defenses
maybe play the game first my dude, there are multiple type of defense defenses and fighting mage in SCS is like peeling an onion

>>720317963
Meanwhile you go look at fanart and it's all male dominated, mostly Daeran

>>720313687
Tyranny

>>720318324
>hla
literally only in throne of bhaal and what's there to micromanage? they're really simple abilities conceptually, either deal damage or conjure a monster or a passive
>you constantly change spell setups
you mean you rest and change spells for the occasion, you do that in all crpgs
bg1 and bg2 are certainly fun games, but their strengths don't lie in character building or AI, that is very easy to cheese , akaik you can kill sarevok with some cloud kill spells, in fact there are so many ways to AI the game that it's actually kinda funny, part of the charm of the game

>>720318573
Yeah, gay men exist
We are here, we are queer

>>720318816
*in fact there are so many ways to cheese the game

>>720301520 (OP)
Wrath of the Righteous, I attained many fetishes from this game.

>>720317658
I'm at the stage where I have all regions annexed and I'm not allowed to go to Pittax.
I'm just exploring the map waiting on the next major event.

Right now I'm trying to decide whether I should let my priest finish one of the lengthy investigations into the nature of the curse and just tank an event going badly or if should call him back and send him to do the event.

>>720318832
No, it's fanart drawn by women, not faggots, you can tell because they keep shilling their female commander self insert. T hey do the same thing with RT and Heinrix/Marazhai

>>720319081
you can always turn the kingdom management on auto if shit goes bad, i had to do that cause the i missed some critical event and it fucked me

What's a good Eldritch Archer build? Do I go pure or do I get 10 levels in Eldritch Knight for spell critical and some extra feats?

>>720318816
no idea why i even bother, in vanilla OG BG1 he had 100% magic resistance so as a mage you couldnt do shit to him and in EE he has 90% all res SCS revises entire encounter, its not even the hardest fight in BG1. Please stop posting your vanilla game story mode playthrough experience with walkthrough on second monitor, its embarrassing.

>>720301520 (OP)
WOTR hands down

>>720318467
>fighting mage in SCS is like peeling an onion
Modded

>>720320656
yeah Wotr includes multiple community mods too

>>720320904
You're so disingenuous that it hurts

>>720301520 (OP)
Hell, I like Kingmaker because I like beating the timer and being able to succeed regardless. And when I beat Kingmaker I’ll play WotR. Also Pillars of Eternity is a great series. Torment Tides of Numenera is a great spiritual successor to Planescape. CRPG genre is so much fun to get lost in.

>>720321001
says the guy who posted multiple lies and misinfo about BG in this thread. For what is worth even vanilla BG mage duels are vastly superior to stat checkfinder.

>>720301520 (OP)
Can we all take a moment to thank this fuck awful game for creating a resurgence in the WRPG genre and proving to investors there was a demand.

Without its middling sacrifice we wouldn't have got great shit like DOS2, Pathfinder and BG3.

>>720321468
I think you attribute too much to that game.

>>720321468
>yfw the backer investors

I like BG3 :)

Is Divinity 2 better than the first?

>>720302309
>filtered by build autism
Kek

>>720319919
you clearly haven't played the game, you can cheese sarevok with cloud kill, you're either an idiot or a liar

>>720301693
>WOTR has better writing and character building
Bait?

>>720322549
Extremely so OS1 is an intensely stupid silly game that wears out its welcome after the first zone. The overarching plot is retarded love triangle shit and things rapidly degrade into random non-sequitor areas like going to the frost world to fight evil snowmen or whatever

>>720317159
You're wasting your breath on Anti-Owlkeks, Kingmaker's reactivity for a game of its size is unheard of but they'll scream and shit themselves no matter what you bring up. The choice to rescue the guards in the prologue gets fucking brought in Valerie's sidequest that takes place near the end of the game, keeping the Tartuccio ring til Pitax has dialogue, everything to do with the Pitaxian diplomat and his labyrinthian web of dialogue trees and choices, none of that matters because Larian lets you kill inconsequential npcs

>Kingmaker
Isn't that the game where you can ask a tiefling what life is like as a tiefling, while playing as one yourself?

Kingmaker

The owlcat games all do one thing really well which is make you genuinely feel like a really badass character.

>>720323271
>unironically claiming divinity has better writing than pf
not even the biggest dos2 shills will say this

>>720324169
>everything to do with the Pitaxian diplomat and his labyrinthian web of dialogue trees and choices
Hmm, I wonder if me threatening to have him executed for being a dick is going to bite me in the ass.
Then again, fuck Tartuccio and fuck Pittax.

>>720319407
I don't want to do that. My barony is doing very well.

Despite it's Reddit humor DOS has a level of soul that will never be replicated again

Should I play Kingmaker in turn based ?

>>720326120
RTWP for trash fights
Turn Based if you're struggling in a fight
Turn Based is too slow to do the entire game with it on

>>720326120
It's how I'm playing it but I'm playing kineticist and I dislike RTwP.

>>720326120
its not rly justified for anything unless you just want to try it for fun. just spam space bar at the start then have your dps hitting shit is usually enough for 99% of fights

>>720326120
If you want to add at least 100 hours to your game, yes