Thread 720342398

When did the world ever want thieves?

>Gang of outlaws are retarded
Shocking

I think its implying there was a time where everyone was an outlaw but that still doesnt make sense. Maybe if the game took place in Australia

>>720342398 (OP)
Dan Houser is a sheltered hack who never seen real provety so he thinks a group of hobos doing crime is heckin cool and valid because they have empathy and care about people it's okay the people they killed are literal demons sent by the government

I hate how normies chose this game as the greatest story told in a video game. It's manipulative and dishonest.

>>720342398 (OP)
When people were robbing the natives of their land and resources.

>>720342398 (OP)
Well, this isn't a fantastic example but back in the 1850's there was this idea introduced of the gentleman thief. Rich people only stealing from other rich people or thieves that only steal from thieves. If you take RDR2 and the thing with the O'Driscolls and them stealing from the rich, the way Dutch dresses, the size of the gang and its makeup, you could sort of maybe make the argument that Dutch fancied himself and his gang and Gentleman Thieves.

>>720342398 (OP)
Arthur was retarded and probably thought he was robin hood so that sentiment would make sense. Maybe they sort of were we don't really know but when we get into their life they're down bad and resort to usury and being total pieces of shit.

Criminals are inevitably shocked that non-criminals don't like them very much.

>There is no place for us in this strange new world
>Cannibals, mutants, mass murderers exist even post time skip

To be fair, some people like Jesse James were kinda celebrities.
Robert Ford was HATED by a lot of people for shooting Jesse in the back for the reward money.

>>720343178
that gang of butchers out near blackwater (who take uncle) outlasting their gang by several years was real comedy, were they the same guys as in the virginia forest? they acted the exact same, just naked sadist hillbillies
>dutch was a worse leader than some shit-encrusted hobo hollering at other hobos
>their doctrine was literally just killing and raping everybody who comes along that main road out of the state, but they didn't rob any big city banks or shoot any oil barons so nobody cared enough to do anything
the van der lindes probably could have just kept living in horseshoe overlook by the time of the epilogue if they had actually stayed quiet and hunted at their little camp instead of continually doing crimes in more and more bombastic fashion, realistically they could have had a handful of the stronger men do legitimate work and hunted for what they needed and lived comfortable lives

>>720343656
>made up of plague bitten injuns, weirdos, hobos, game poachers and a runway cossack at one point
They would've been snuffed out eventually as Blackwater continues to expand into a greater city state. Rhodes would've done the same thing as Saint Denis starts swallowing up the surrounding areas for heavy industry or just farmland to feed the burgeoning population. Dutch and his little merry band of fuckwits would eventually butt heads if his ambitions grew beyond that of a gypsy caravan.

>>720343656
I mean, when you steal from rich people they got money to hire people to get you. Or bribe the government to go after you. Basically exactly what happened. Then the Pinkertons got enough money to actually become part of the government themselves.

>>720343656
That gang of old psycho white guys was retarded. Im sure they were supposed to be angry natives just like Dutchs new gang in RDR1 but Rockstar chickened out

>>720342398 (OP)
Its a metaphor for the end of the frontier era, nigger.

>>720343975
>couldn't hear their we wuzing from the resident medicine men between combat encounters
Ngmi

>>720342831
>demons sent by the government
um, yes sweetie?

>>720343913
There were no independent agents post RDR2 and federal ones were weak. They couldn't get any of the remained gang members by themselves.

>>720343935
>get into a punch up with the proto mafia and some fat fingered industrialist
>surprised pikachu face when they start calling in favors
Violence can only be offset by extreme violence and Dutch didn't have the balls or tactics required to pull that off.

>>720343975
Right, Saint Denis should have had triads vs Irish instead of Italians, Murphy's should have been natives, tall trees gang were fine, night people should have had a voodoo storyline.

>>720344017
they already did that in rdr1

He's referring to a time when outlaws were romanticized and glorified, which did indeed happen. Old west outlaws like Jesse James were romanticized as Robin Hood-type figures, when in reality they were just psychopathic murderers. I think the most recent example of romanticized outlaws are Bonnie and Clyde. They were psychopathic pieces of shit but there's a whole movie depicting them as sympathetic and cool

>>720344295
I mean there are people that romantacize glowies like Charles Manson and Dylan and Bryan.
Weak people will always choose weak heros.

>>720342398 (OP)
after world becoming gay

>>720344119
Very few of the other people in his gang had the constitution for the total war he kicked off. Look at the roster, he wasn't working with much:
>critical leadership & noncombatants who would suck with a gun or won't want to get shot
>dutch, hosea, tilly, molly, grimshaw, jack, abigail, pearson, strauss, swanson, mary beth, karen, uncle, kieran
>reliable gunmen
>arthur, micah, sean, john, charles, bill, javier, lenny & sometimes trelawny
>reliable gunmen who would actually be willing to get shot for dutch and his harebrained ideals when the noose is closing in
>arthur, bill, javier, lenny, sean, john
Six good men to take down 300 other gang members and the US army. Losing or even injuring just one would be (and is, at numerous points) absolutely crippling attrition. They would have had a lot more time and breathing room if they cut the chaff out of their group and stayed mobile and quiet instead of dropping trough every twenty feet. Half of the non-combatants are fucking addicts, they could have sent them ahead to Australia and done bank jobs themselves, states apart, without the distraction or heat.

>>720345535
I forgot sadie, put her under reliable gunmen but she definitely sees through dutch from the start and doesn't really care to die for him beyond being suicidal anyway

>>720344163
I mean, what else could the game be about? The intro quotes are kind of cheesy though.
>we're in a bygone era, we ain't no raping and pillaging with impunity no mo'!

>>720342398 (OP)
When thieves thrive, world wants them.

The line would've made more sense if it was something like the Unforgiven film where it more talks about bounty hunters than fucking thieves.

Robin Hood

>protagonist is actually outgunned by the antagonist that has bullshit quickdraw powers.
>still manages to complete his mission in arresting him
You don't necessarily need the hero be the best shot to have a compelling Western.

>>720342398 (OP)
He means that people used to not care, but now they want to eliminate them completely. Being an outlaw used to be fine because you were away from society. But Arthur and the others belive that now they can't just hunker down in their little gypsy camp any more because the Pinkertons will get them. And he's right, but only at the end. It's the whole plot of RDR 1. John goes around hunting down outlaws for the feds. Prior to that, they only get in trouble because Dutch has them pulling schemes everywhere.

>>720342398 (OP)
If you were good at going over a border onto another tribe's territory and stealing their shit and killing their dudes the world used to want a lot of that kind of thief.

>>720342398 (OP)
>>720342831
It will never happen but I want the third game to focus on a band of unrepentant outlaws instead of the
>The criminals din du nuffin they good bois who need mo money for dem anarcho-communism
>The real bad guy is LE SOCEITY
If you have to tie it in to the other games, have Dutch as an NPC in your gang, maybe the PC dies at the end of the game and you play as Dutch in the epilogue which centers around him starting his own game.

Idk Golden Age of Piracy maybe?

>>720350417
>want the third game to focus on a band of unrepentant outlaws
Rockstar lack the talent to handle this with any kind of seriousness. It's a good idea for a game, but not a good rockstar game.

>>720343656
>the van der lindes probably could have just kept living in horseshoe overlook by the time of the epilogue if they had actually stayed quiet and hunted at their little camp instead of continually doing crimes in more and more bombastic fashion
Congratulations. You have achieved Media Literacy.

>>720352603
When a movie's message is "all of this was pointless", it's at least only a couple hours long at worst, and maybe cost fifteen bucks brand new.

>>720352603
>Media Literacy

>>720352940
>When a movie's message is "all of this was pointless"
stop watching world war 2 films

>>720342398 (OP)
gypsies are still going strong. Dutch's gang's problem was they were too murderous.

>>720342398 (OP)
Arthur was probably abused in some form or other during the time he was a child delinquent, so likely has abnormalities in processes related to empathy, hence he has developed a warped sense of morality to justify his deviant behaviours and has formulated a deranged code of loyalty to the criminal gang that took him in. It is often the case in violent criminals that a background of parental privation and abuse lays the groundwork for evil acts later in life.

>>720342398 (OP)
Pirates were hired as privateers by empires to attack and steal other from other nations, so yes they were needed at some point.

>>720342398 (OP)
If you look at actual crime data then the wild west was not wild but more peacful than your average "modern" coercive democracy.

>>720357768
A letter of marque does not make one a pirate, many esteemed gentlemen engaged in privateering, and it was an honour and a privilege to serve the monarch and nation as such.

>>720344295
Because
>old outlaws used to actually have to live outside of society's rules and safety for the most part, sometimes suffering hard lives
>old outlaws used to rob old states whom could easily be shitty, tyrannical things
Its why pirates are so easy to romanticize. The wide open sea is freedom where navies press ganged and shanghai'd their crews and navigating it in the age of sail took skill and grit. Its easier to see some of the romance in their existence alongside the horrible banditry they did. Modern criminals still collect checks from the government and if it weren't for the rule of law a posse of regular folks would've hung them 8 robberies ago.

>>720342398 (OP)
>When did the world ever want thieves?
It's outright said that they once upon a time would steal money and share it with people. Really basic robin hood stuff

>>720358398
So he was not a pirate, just a looter.

>>720342831
No? The whole point of the game is redemption for past sins.

>>720349496
Why do they refuse to simply give us a Landon Ricketts game?

>>720361006
No, he was a skilled mariner and a simple slave trader who, through no fault of his own, was attacked by the Spaniards just for carrying out his trade, he then went on to exact righteous revenge.

>>720342398 (OP)
The narrative dissonance is so fucking hilarious in this game it's unreal. You'll have a game like Shadow of the Colossus or Gears of War where the gameplay IS the story, and the two are inseparable. Then you'll have Arthur, mowing down dozens of gunmen in one scene like a murderous psychopath (it's okay though, they shot first!) then acting like a regular old country guy in the next.

>>720342398 (OP)
Imagine if Arthur looked like this
The game would be so much better

>>720363657
what dissonance is there in an outlaw killing lawmen and rival gangs?

>>720342398 (OP)
>When did the world ever want thieves?
In 1917, in the Soviet Union.
When that commie worm Lenin and his buttbudies deposed the legitimate government of Russia, killed or driven out every able-bodied and entrepreneurial peasant, trader or businessman from Russia and established their pathetic rump state, they started praising and romanticising thieves.

>>720364746
I don't know, maybe the fact Arthur is doubting his morals by the end of the game, acting all human and all. You'd think he'd feel something by the time he'd killed nameless goon #362

>>720342398 (OP)
When there were kings to steal from, mostly. Robin Hood and all that.

>rockschlop game is shit
Shocking

>>720363781
If you're a pederast i bet.

>>720363657
All the retarded story focused """games""" do this. Take the last of lesbos 2 for instance, elliot page kills hundreds of randos and their dogs to finally get his hands on the tranny and decides that revenge bad. All the bodies she left behind? Collateral.

Why didn't they just get jobs?

>>720364878
yeah I guess that'd be contradictory if he ever expressed any remorse about killing nameless goons but that's not what his character arc is

>>720364746
That this one old douchebag has a body count of like 1500 by the end of the game

>>720365271
Dutch is a commie and doesn't believe in honest work
Plus most of them are wanted men

>>720342398 (OP)
I know its poorly conveyed, but Im thinking he is talking about living free like the wolves. Dutch's gang and its lifestyle was part of the frontier west, where everyone had to fight tooth an nail to survive in the wilderness. Perhaps if they existed in the old west, they wouldnt have to resort to scoundrel tactics to survive, buts probably arthur romanticizing things because he grew up with poor teachers. Maybe they wanted to make Arthur more appealing to women by making him nostalgic about the past. Maybe
Rockstar shouldnt try to sound more le deep than they are with RDR2