Thread 720348864

Act 1 was a ton of fun, you constantly go to new zones, get new abilities, tons of bossfights. The game feels subtly guided but still very open. Maps and fast travel make navigating the world fun and manageable. Almost all the zones feel unique and memorable.

Act 2 was decent, the citadel is fun overall and there are a couple decent bossfights but the citadel itself is just too damn large, and most of the zones just feel like an extension of it. Bossfights are much rarer, fast travel is severely limited, maps are annoying to find now, and there's just tons of generic zones and overuse of shitty dark zones where you can only see two feet ahead

Postgame/100% is just super tedious. The zones are all spread across the far reaches of the map, require obtuse methods to reach, benches are few and far between, maps are a real pain in the ass to find, bilewater is fucking awful, many of these areas require certain abilities that you have no way to know before going in (like bilewater requiring double jump). It's just a ton of tedium and backtracking to slowly chip away at 100%. Honestly I have zero motivation to even finish.

Act 1: 9/10
Act 2: 7/10
Act 3: 4/10

Don't all games?

>>720348864 (OP)
>the citadel itself is just too damn large, and most of the zones just feel like an extension of it.
yeah no shit that's the point

>>720349290
>the point is to be repetitive, tedious garbage

>>720349402
90% of silksong is tedius garbage to be honest only 10% of which is me having fun or exploring new things.

>>720348864 (OP)
>that you have no way to know before going in (like bilewater requiring double jump).
This isnt talked about enough, mega waste of time how far the game let me get into the level just to gate most of it.

Im starting to wonder if youre intended to enter through the mist somehow, since that would atleast give yoy access to the bench and fast travel instantly. But my problem with that, is that every single room in the bottom right is a complete waste of time red herring that just leads you back to sinners road...for what? It cant even be considered a shortcut other than in the strictest sense, because of how long the way is. Even if its technically faster than almost any other way because of how fast travel is set up, its closer to another path than actual shortcut

>>720349463
Cope

im gettin so sick of these fuckin challenge rooms full of just placing as many flying enemies in a room as possible

>>720348864 (OP)
Just beat it and disagree
>the citadel itself is just too damn large
Use the lifts
>100% is super tedious
I cannot think of a single metroidvania where it isn't
>backtracking
The song that takes you to the bellway stations makes travelling for late game shit pretty easy

>>720348864 (OP)
I found act 1 to be a tedious chore. Started act 2 earlier today and the balance feels way better and exploration much more fun. Still tremendously stingy with upgrades, but an improvement over the early game.

>>720350651
well act 2 has a ton more rooms of
>mandatory clear room of waves of enemies in the middle of nowhere away from a bench
and its really tiring

>>720348864 (OP)
>many of these areas require certain abilities that you have no way to know before going in (like bilewater requiring double jump)
but the game clearly said in no uncertain terms that you should not go in the direction of bilewater until much later. if you ended up there before you found double jump, that's your own fault.

>>720348864 (OP)
>fast travel is severely limited
What? You've got the pressurized tubes all over the citadel, alongside the bellways surrounding it. You've got fast travel out the ass in act2.
Not to mention that you've got those tall tower structures on the west and east sides of the citadel that you can quickly fall down if need be. And both the top and lower parts of the citadel have those straight corridors that you can quickly sprint through. Especially so if you've got silkspeed equipped.

>get key
>go near lava area
>open door
>get to challenge room
>pot heads who cant be pogo'd to death
>flying bombers that deal 3 masks worth of damage
>room is dark
i dont even think the reward is going to be worth it. this is nonsense

what goes on here bros? there must be a secret

Awful taste

Act 2 is kino

>>720348864 (OP)
The beginning and middle of Act 2 was the best. The citadel is fantastic, and I loved Sands of Karak and Mount Fay. First Sinner is a fan-fucking-tastic boss fight. Act 1 is too linear, though maybe I feel this way because I never found the Bilewater->Mist->Exhaust Organ route.

>>720348864 (OP)
It's a Metroidlike. People actually play and enjoy these I am told.

>>720348864 (OP)
I disagree with your complaints about act 2.
The maps are simple to find and usually at the beginning of the new area.
Also there is the tube transport for fast travel, which fits better thematically instead of the bell travel.
However a few of the later zones are extremely tedious (Bilewater) or non-sensical (entrance to putrid ducts and Mist)
I do agree with the 7/10 though.

>>720348864 (OP)
>worse as you play
Act 1 was fine for a first playthrough, probably does NOT have much replayability even though you can get wanderer early etc.. Act 2 is great until post-credits, then it's AWFUL. 10+ hours later you unlock Act 3 and once again have things that you can do that actually matter and don't feel like busywork.
The pacing issue with post-credits act 2 is outrageously bad. Complete EVERY boring, similar subquest to progress??? Come on now.
>>720351112
I found that too. Sadly seems like nothing (t. 100% + all mementos)

>>720351489
>he missed out on fighting phantom
damn
sorry you had to fight lame-ass last judge as your act 2 gatekeeper

>>720351750
>Act 2 is great until post-credits, then it's AWFUL
But act2 ends after credits?

>>720348864 (OP)
So you're saying it was rushed

>>720351812
right, and act 1 """ends after moss mother""".
act 2 ends when you hack away at the void on your save file.

>>720351750
Subquests are absolutely ass, what were they thinking. Out of all the things you could complain about in the game, that should be at the top of the list. fuckin MMO quests.

>>720351705
>extremely tedious (Bilewater)
just had to search where a bench was so I didn't kill myself

>>720351927
when they unironically did "go slay 10 rats (roaches)" I got the feeling they were taking the piss. at least a third of the subquests constitute the worst part of the game.

>>720351892
No. Act 1 ends when you reach the citadel. And act 2 ends at credits. What the fuck?
That you'll need to reload your save is inconsequential. There is no more act2 after the credits. Thus it has ended.

>>720351978
Why do so many people appear to miss the bench? It's not even really hidden.

this is the most reddit series ive ever been apart of. i stayed away from undertale but this game series and community gives me hardcore troony celeste vibes.

>>720351927
they had to pad the game so bad. it doesn't work in a game like this because areas look so fuckin samey and screen sizes are so small compared to your model, its hard to even remember where a lot of shit is unless you use the vague ass markers, that you have to buy btw.

just padding bullshit.

>>720348864 (OP)
Bait

>>720352051
as a first time player you can and WILL see the credits before seeing "ACT 3: ABYSS". seeomg the credits is not the condition that achieves Act 3. stop being a retarded faggot. ESL?

>>720348864 (OP)
> Postgame/100% is just super tedious. The zones are all spread across the far reaches of the map, require obtuse methods to reach, benches are few and far between, maps are a real pain in the ass to find, bilewater is fucking awful, many of these areas require certain abilities that you have no way to know before going in (like bilewater requiring double jump). It's just a ton of tedium and backtracking to slowly chip away at 100%. Honestly I have zero motivation to even finish.
> Act 3: 4/10
… those are all act 2 areas
you didnt even play it, huh?

>>720352115
It's more that silksong took so fucking long to release it created nonsensical hype similar to no man's sky. Plenty of games like that which don't deserve any hype. Like if HLX is HL3, does that even matter? Valve's flopped game after game after game recently. But you can bet your ass people will be screaming and fainting when/if it releases.

Anyone else notice that shazam niggers love using the "the game gets worse as it goes along" excuse when they are losing? This is like the 5th time they've done it.

>>720352283
of course he didn't. but what's bizarre is that they saved so many interesting bosses for Act 3 when they gated it behind "100% completion" of slow and boring content up to that point. you should be able to enter Act 3 as soon as the Flea Caravan is in the final spot.

>>720352330
Yup. They did with baldurs gate 3, E33, and now this. Seems to be their last resort when they get owned hard.

>>720352185
>seeomg the credits is not the condition that achieves Act 3
Ok. But were we talking about the start of act 3 or the end of act 2?
How the fuck do you resume act 2 after the credits? It has clearly already ended if the only option forward is loading up act 3.

>>720352114
I'd say it's pretty hidden, it's in a pit of toxic water without full lighting to really notice
all my instincts told me it was nearby but, jesus, I had done the full bilewater runback to the arena 5 times already without finding it

The quest system wasn't as bad as I thought desu

There were only a handful of bear asses quest and if there were I just mindlessly accepted then and went on my way. Most of them would get completed on their own.

>>720352310
yeah thats kinda how i feel about this game. its
>overhyped
which just flocks all sorts of fuckin people that are in the honeymoon phase and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. they finally got their sequel and they have to love it.

im just waiting for someone to just articulate the points well enough on everything wrong with it so i feel validated.

>>720352362
I think the idea behind it is that act 3 changes most of the world in a pretty significant way so requiring high completion means you haven’t missed out on much
Then again the existence of mmo quests like collect 15 cloaks is just silly

>>720348864 (OP)
My only complaints? Act 3 bosses practically just reward mementos and the vast majority of charms, tools, crests and other options are already available prior to finishing Act 2. This also compounds the issue on nail ugprades. Although they aren't the most important of things, the game could easily use intermissionary nail upgrades akin to the first games (up to five upgrades) instead of the three we get pert Act. It's also rather ridiculous that both upgrades are gated either by story progression or tedious sidequest garbage (The meal in the Citadel and Flea Circus) while plenty of the initial upgrades with Pale Ores were really readily and easily available in Hollow Knight through exploration.

>>720348864 (OP)
They call it SHITSONG for a reason

devs make the game hard so anyone that critices the game on /v/ is automatically labeled a shamaz or a lol filtered
this game is 90% of the time just tedious, it has great movement and pretty decent enemy design
the levels are also usually interesting but the game is simply just tedious at many points
also the citadel getting too repetitive is a very valid point, after the underworks it is all the same shit
too many shit take infinite amount of time to kill and most if not all the quests are flat out boring kill shit or fetch shit

>>720352391
sorry about your aspergers

>>720352664
yeah it has a ton of tiny tedium to it that its hard to really get into it without being an armchair game designer expert

enemies having a lot of health than usual(because the mechanic to get silk back, they need to have the hp)

upgrades so sparse, challenge arenas just spammed to shit because it only knows how to be difficult is if it dark souls 2 gang rape you to death.

theres more. but im sure when the hype dies down someone can objectively review it.

>>720352960
Meh most of that is fine.

My only issue with the game is that plenty of upgrades are rewards are doled out through shopkeeps and quests instead of just being spread across the world as boss rewards.

>>720352664
But the game is easier than hollow knight.

>>720353087
Untrue in every way EXCEPT that you learn to beat bosses quicker because most attacks are choreographed much more elegantly than they were in HK.

>>720353159
HK got more difficult as you progressed since game starts piss easy
SK gets easier as you progress since the game starts difficult and you have dick all, and then you get wanderer's crest and double jump and nothing can really stop you by then

>>720353230
you didn't play through act 3.

>>720353046
my gripe is just boils down to flyin enemies, rng, and arenas. that is pretty much the only thing im frustrated at the most.

i feel like im being stopped in my tracks until i deal with this ds2 gangrape nonsense. i have fun exploring and dealing with volgar the viking megaman bullshit and all, but then i come across a fuckin room like this, i lose my mind. cant progress until i do this one room.

>>720353284
I am in the middle of act 3 and I'm not really struggling much. Bell nigger took 4 attempts, moorwing took like 15. People were moaning about groal being total bullshit but I killed him on 5th try.

>>720353284
It's not like Act 3 is that tough either, it's mostly compounded by the fact that upgrades become scarcer and the Pale Oil in this specific act is locked behind a bunch of minigames with the fleas. That's by far my largest gripes, i'd rather it be a reward from a boss fight or exploration, maybe even a quest... But competing with Fleas for scoreboard to get your upgrades? Why isn't this an optional thing and the Oil rewarded for something like the Hidden Hunter, Trobbio 2.0 or something else?

>>720353319
>flyin enemies
heat-seeking bug drone from high halls is your one stop solution to all flying bug problems

>>720353361
The fleas worked hard on it, be nice

>>720352114
>you were told by the game that water is bad since the start of this area
>hide the bench behind the bad water
>"ermmm it's not quite that hidden actually"

>>720353389
i did just get a craftmetal so i might have to go and grab that now since im sure you're talkin about something that was on a bench there?

>>720353345
>>720353361
act 3 has two big pain points and neither of you named either of them. the flea carnival scores are brainlessly easy until Seth shows up anyway.

>>720350419
>Use the lifts
No.
>I cannot think of a single metroidvania where it isn't
So you don't deny it
>The song that takes you to the bellway stations makes travelling for late game shit pretty easy
No it doesn't.

>>720353345
The Groal complaints will shift over to a different boss soon enough

>>720353319
Clawline trivializes tons of flying enemies

Honestly I'm surprised they didn't give the pkayer this earlier its so fucking good

>>720353605
how the fuck did i miss this.
what the hells on the bench that requires craftmetal?

>>720353440
I can appreciate the gesture. If it was worth something like a memento or rosaries. Would feel like a proper motivation to do that stuff, especially if higher scores reward more currency. Now the best singular source of income is the fucking nest you hang on your bellhome and running deliveries (which are really inefficient in terms of time to rosary investement) so why couldn't they place the Pale Oil in overworld options? Here a few examples:
>Clover Dancers
>Crust King
>First Sinner
>Any Act 3 exclusive explorable zone requiring full set of movement upgrades.
>

>>720353553
you best not be talking about trobbio
kamelita is tough but not overwhelmingly so, you people are just boomer reflexes trashcans. not sure which second boss you're talking about

>>720353606
>No it doesn't.
???????? stop squealing "no" like a raped bitch you sperg

>>720353631
the flyin enemies im dealin with are the ones behind a simple key door in deep docks. usually i can pogo shit but they got pot heads
and one guy does 3 mask damage with their bomb. its pretty obnoxious. the run there kinda fuckin blows too

>>720353642
>what the hells on the bench that requires craftmetal?
you need 1 craftmetal to 'assemble' the cogfly

>>720353631
>its so fucking good
it's too fucking good frankly, you can achieve near-infinite horizontal distance at lightning speeds by harpooning, floating, harpooning, floating, repeat.

>>720353553
Coral tower has one of the most honest enemy gauntlets in the entire game. Supremely fair.

Can someone just tell me how much of the content is missable? There's the curse, certain entries in the Hunter's Journal, certain boss fights (1st Lace fight if you went straight to Citadel), etc.

>getting to act 3 requires you to do 50 shit tier MMO quests
nah i'm good

>go to high halls
>ten fucking enemy waves along with one large enemy in the middle and two of the same at the end
That's where I call it a night. I need to get Whispering Vaults to upgrade the nail too by the looks of it, I can figure that out tomorrow.

>>720353657
>kamelita is tough but not overwhelmingly so, you people are just boomer reflexes trashcans.
it's a tough and fair fight yes, but you're suggesting it isn't disproportionately more difficult than the adjacent 2 bosses. gee, I wonder what build you used.
>>720353739
lol retard. as if I would be referring to the boss who can't even attack you without a full-second delay.

>>720353761
there's the missable Shakra fight by going to act 3 before challenging her, otherwise nothing major. wait, maybe if you don't free the mantis that entire chunk of content is missable later?

>>720353879
>gee, I wonder what build you used
I just mulch everything with wanderer crest since mid-act 2, harpoon + double jump + wanderer trivialize the game. I don't even use longclaw or tools.
>wanderer? you didn't beat the game
I'm not giving up good pogo and architect is stronger anyway

>>720353879
Karmelita is stupid easy

You literally have a free heal 100% of the time by just jumping up the ceiling

>>720353761
>how much of the content is missable?
shakra and the lance guy with pet beetle duels
some non-mandatory quests like the alien motherfucker that uses some eldritch wood fetus to turn you into a tentacle beast (no, really) - also has an alternative act 2 ending
coral tower
secret joke(?) ending with the mushroom

>>720354045
what boss(es) do you think are difficult in Silksong? none? very good anon, run along now.

>>720353631
i dont see how. everytime i use it on an enemy, im eating a hit from their hitbox.

>>720353761
you could always rollback the old save anyway it's not like a big deal

>>720353159
>Untrue in every way EXCEPT that you learn to beat bosses quicker because most attacks are choreographed much more elegantly than they were in HK.
But it's not untrue in every way.
You're several hundred percent more agile than you were in hollow knight which really works to your advantage significantly so.
But more importantly. Your heal is so, so much better in Silksong that it isn't even close. There is almost no opportunity when you aren't able to find a spot where you can safely heal. And that's huge. Really huge.

But when you're an agile speed god on both the ground and air, and even have air stall options, along side a reliable heal that you can even execute in the air.
How is it meant to be harder than Hollow Knight? Let alone in every way?
Meanwhile Hollow Knight bosses won't even let you heal unless you stun them first, and your movement is also way weaker.

>>720352664
>>720352960
It's our most hated game of 2025.

>>720354152
get the true ending and you'll see that half of that isn't missable

how do i duel her?
i have finished her quest

>>720354224
>what boss(es) do you think are difficult in Silksong?
this guy

>>720352960
>>720352664
this is first time since xenoblade 3 when we really have nothing nice to say about this game, omg

>>720354224
She cant punish any of your heals.
I'm sorry bro but that makes her easier.

>>720352960
>theres more. but im sure when the hype dies down someone can objectively review it.
it is objectively the worst game of 2025, there really isnt anything good in it

>>720354286
both shakra and lance guy are missable since they're no longer available in act 3
alternative act 3 and act 2 endings are obviously missable
I'm fairly sure you don't need to do the tentacle beast quest
idk about coral tower

>>720352664
in most our opinion this game is really bad, like probaly worse game of 2025 since e33 baddddd

>>720354309
go right and smack her ring in greymoor

>>720354309
But have you progressed with the flea caravan?
Shakra's duel location is in greymoor, after the caravan has left greymoor.

Each new area has been worse than the last, same with bosses, but its not the bosses themselves that are getting worse, its the runbacks.
I took about 10 tries against last judge and I was more bothered by the runback, which I had gotten down pretty well. The issue was not the 2 mask damage pit falls, it was the length and inconsistent bounce on the mechanical enemy.
It's exhausting to run through 5-7 areas just to retry, even if those 5-7 areas are easy (which they usually are once you figure out the route). It doesn't help that you get 3 shot by most threats and healing taking several seconds.

A game can have a couple of these problems, but they add up and become more tedious, it's a shame that silksong is this way cause it feels great to play. The combat is great and the platforming is good, it's just the context around it that makes it worse.

>>720354262
>how is elden ring more difficult than dark souls 1 when you have so many more tools?
gee maybe because the protagonist isn't playing through the original game
>Hollow Knight bosses won't even let you heal unless you stun them first
jfc

is there a charm that increases charge speed?

>>720354473
yeah i have done flea quest too
>>720354309
thank you

>>720354553
>charge speed
the what now
you mean bind (heal)? if so then yes

>>720354262
yes, healing is extremely consistent and always possible, but at any given moment you're limited to heal for 3 or 4 (until endgame) instead of Hollowknight's 12+ masks on demand.
3 good charms have the downside of nerfing healing. you're in control of the playstyle you choose to engage with.
>Meanwhile Hollow Knight bosses won't even let you heal unless you stun them first
wrong. play more godhome.
>movement is way weaker
you get a fucking invincible dash which is the biggest crutch of either game.
>>720354329
stay close and only jump when he winds up his club. that's literally all you have to do. surely you aren't the same retard screeching "boomer reflexes"

>>720353835
>>720354521
pretty soon this will be considered the tortanic of 2025, just so many ppl hating of it

>>720354241
Harpoon then immediately attack. You're probably hitting jump and launching into them. I did it at first when first getting the power up.

>>720354608
no the "hold the attack button" charge attack

>>720350285
Im pretty sure its more of a cope to deny the backtracking is not a majority part of the game

>>720354338
>>720354378

its what happens when a game gets overhyped.
i cant find anyone saying anything nice objectively about it. its...faster i guess?
its hard to make combat good in tehse games unless you have a lot more unique bosses and enemies.
this game just spams shit at you but since you got SO FAST GOOD AGILITY they allow this nonsense when from a metroidvania perspective, it feels clunky and tedious.


like the flying enemies alone clash so much with the mechanics. these type of enemies work with castlevania or metroid because you can easily deal with them reliable manner(a omnidirectional long range whip or regular shot/missiles)

you give enemies a sporadic floaty figure eight movement that reads your inputs that they have footsies like a fgc pro.
>go towards them
>they move back
>just simply JUMPING up causes them to flinch back
this is obvious with the silk suckin ghosts in cathedral.
then you got the projectiles they give these guys. watch how they fuckin read inputs on their trajectory there on the needle/lance chuckers.

then they decide to give these enemies up to 4 moves. then they decide to put 3-4 of these guys in a room at once. then they decided to give you waves of these guys

>just use tools!
limited resources that everyone hated sekiro for. i never had to farm bloodvials in bloodborne but in this game, shit is so fuckin scarce and farming them normally takes forever. so you farm the other currency to buy the shard pouches.
>just use your abilities!
with silk that is the only way i can heal. which im bound to do because of said gay aid flying enemies.
then you chuck in the short invincibility frame window from hits and you got these things charging you, eating an attack, then right into a body hit.

fuck i hate the flyin enemy behavior

>>720354553
>charge speed
the what now
you mean charged needle strike? if so then yes

>>720354608
charge as in charged attack

>>720354553
if you mean the healing, yes, its on the whiteward, if you mean the charged attack, then also yes, you need to fight the pinnstress in act 3

>>720354643
>You're probably hitting jump and launching into them
that doesn't actually hurt you either, harpoon gives you iframes
>>720354674
afaik there isn't any

>>720354674
Act 3

>>720354615
I wouldn't go that far, it is better than elden ring but I consider that a low bar.

>>720354643
ill try that. i dunno if reaper makes it tougher or whatever. i already used my memory lockets on this and i really want to go use the wanderers eventually.

>>720354681
goddddd i thought e33 was bad this might just be the sonic 06 of metroidvanias!!!!!!!!!!

>>720354716
It definitely hurt me. Then I practiced a bit and now it's a reliable attack in my arsenal.

>>720354674
kek i forgot theres a fuckin charge attack.
why would anyone use it anyway?

>>720354725
>>720354681
It's the Sonic o6 of Metroidvanias. Yes -- THAT BAD!

>>720354774
it's very good on architect

Seems like a steamdeck or switch game not a pc game

>>720354731
>>720354775

thank you for reading my rant anon.
its overhyped trash.

>>720354681
why 2025 has filled with so many offil games that /v/ hate so much?

>>720354729
Maybe, since reaper is a bit slower I think? I evolved hunter and haven't looked back since, maybe it works better with lighter/faster crests.

if you're extremely familiar with HK Godhome then you know that descending dark is exploited to high heaven. well, Silksong has its equivalent, and I haven't seen anyone else realize it yet.

>>720354818
>its overhyped trash.
this. most hated game of 2025 for shure.

>>720354868
i consider super metroid overhyped so you can stop anon.

unless you really love this series and are just being a patronizing nigger about it.

>>720354861
This is how I beat High Halls.

>>720354774
it has some utility even on crests where it's meh

>>720354861
DD is spam and not get damaged
cross stitch aka parry needs timing

>>720354818
>>720354681
seriosuly silksong might just be the worst game i ever play since xenoblade 3 and IM NOT KIDDING

>>720354820
Because /v/ is poor and can't afford multiple new games. Most people in the world are struggling right now so this isn't a sign of personal failure, but /v/iegins can't admit they're strugglin so are mostly made up of sour grapes and a bunch of multi millionaire neet crypto geniuses.

I'm at the tail end of act 2, been putting it off because I'm a completionist. I beat the bilewater boss 3rd try (I use cogfly poison+memory crystal and cheese killed his ass in seconds. I haven't used any boss guides just found on my own how fucking OP that combo seems to be, getting hit and exploiting the crystal damage works great). I really don't think this game is a 9/10 like some people say. It's a safe 8, not a 9 or a 10. A safe 8. That's how I felt about the first game, worth a buy especially for 20 bucks and worth a playthrough but I wouldn't recommend multiple playthroughs because this game starts to be a slog as you get through the game. It's tiring really. I just want the Act 3 stuff now, so I have a little more of the slab left and then I should be good to go.

>>720348864 (OP)
Act 3 is the only Act that wasn't braindead easy, I'm not surprised an exploration shitter hates it.

>>720354681
Based, make fucking #silktanic happen so people stop shilling this hated overly difficulty trash.

The exact opposite actually.
Early on you have no tools, and no movement tech, the longer it goes, the better the game gets as it opens more, you have choices, you can style your kit to you preferences.
The early game is really the only flaw in the game so far.

>>720354928
nah reddit and /v/ love this dogshit series because its actually cheap and padded with a ton of shit to take up their time
i dont think hollow knight fans play anything else but this type of slop.

>>720354913
>needs timing
it's frame 1 activation (I tested) and lingers for like 40 frames. compare that with the "needle parry" on attacks and it's about THIRTEEN (13) times more generous.

>>720354681
play pic related, is actual good metroidvania that doesnt punishing u like retards over smallest bull shits

>>720354965
its really just manipulating the Ai at the end of the day so it never feels better. you are just cheaping out shit with better tools.

at the end of the day in metroidvanias, you explore first, and fight second. and the fights come out to damage and hp numbers.

if you like le hard shit i guess this games good. i dont know why it tries to pretend its a metroidvania

>>720355019
omg peak mentioned!!!!!!!!! too bad /v/ ignore this based game because of "waaaa meh wokeeeee ubisoffftttttt!!!!!" like fucking retards babys hollow slop stan

>>720355062
I can't tell if you're on 3 layers of irony or just retarded

>>720348864 (OP)
Sounds like OP got Groal'd.

>>720355054
>>720354970
based burn and objective analisis of this overhype dog shits of game

>>720355106
this series is peak reddit and thats how they defend their slop.

I'm so fucking bored of citadel and act 2 at this point, fuck the exploration in this game is just a fucking drag. I genuinely love the bossfights and combat, wish I could just do a boss rush at this point, the fucking around for levers and keys and hopping over detonating bugs and waiting for steam/lava/buzzsaws to hurry the fuck up so I can hop to the next platform is just fucking boring ass shit right now I'm have fucking Elden Ring flashbacks this fucking sucks FUCK. I give it an objective 8 tho. Still starting to feel like a chore to play.

>>720355019
>ubislop
Kwab

whats the best rosario spot in act 2?

i ran out of shards and im tired of tryin to bareback these rooms with no tools.

>>720355137
that score will gonna dropped from 8 to 2 or 1 as you playing more

>>720354970
Well I meant more so multiple games thing. A lot of good to decent to funngames have dropped this year, most anons can probably afford one or two at best. And again I'm not faulting anons for this, but people on the internet need to he right all the time so it's always exaggerated opinions about shit they haven't actually experienced.

>>720355182
The guards next to cogwork dancers at the top

>>720355134
Reddit hates HK thougheverbeit

>>720355174
do u have any reality argument against this game or are you fucking npc tard who cry "OMG IF MADE BY UBISOFT THEN IS AUTOMATICLY BAD!!!"

>>720355054
>and the fights come out to damage and hp numbers
the fights come out to 1) how consistently you can avoid enemy attacks and 2) how frequently you're landing hits
this is completely distinct from what you're suggesting.

>>720355019
Played the demo and didn't like it. Character portraits in dialogue piss me off.

>>720355134
yuh. you hit nail right at its head anon.

What the fuck is this ESL blabbering about lmao

>>720355217
>do u have any reality argument against this ubislop
Yeah, it's peak ubislop for the grey mass consumers.

>>720355137
citadel was the high point for me and the rest is just dread. I wanted to break something every time I ran into a dumb ass spike as I went back through areas. add on grinding for currency and all the other tedious things and the game is just entirely unpleasant.

>>720355213
This. Mostly Indians on /v/ hate silksong

>>720355137
late act 2 is a 3/10 in a 9/10 game, bringing Silksong down to an 8 or 7 depending on how much time it wastes for you personally.

>>720355174
>i form my opinion off antiwoke grifters
the most smartest hollow slop defender everyone lolz

>>720355293
lol is the game THAT BAD??? looks like the next xenoblade 3 for us in term of games that everyone on /v/ hate everything about

>>720355183
Yeah I know. Hornet's moveset becomes good at the same time the levels become boring ass. I rushed through Act 1 and really liked it but after a good first impression Act 2 is just annoying. I don't want to drop the game entirely but I think I'm going to take longer breaks between sessions. I'd say this one is "technically" better than HK but I was enthralled with the first game start to finish. Cute, simple little bug game that didn't overstay its welcome. This one is just starting to get annoying. Still love the fights though. I trudge through it for them.

>>720355250
this i dunno, feels like dodge the bullshit, hit once, dodge the bullshit, hit once

at least metroid i can spam my super missiles into shit and dodge shit and do that and the fights over.

the big hp pools with little damage you are capable of doing means long drawn out fights meaning more tedium in play with a lot of punishment

>>720355352
grow up

>>720353284
Desu the ant boss was hard for me, the gauntlet boss was annoying and the other boss was pretty easy, the bell beast boss was pretty cool but it's barely an Act 3 boss since you will fight him almost instantly. The Final boss was pretty hard but I struggled against her in the previous fights so maybe it's just a skill issue on my part.
Didn't bother upgrading my nail because the nigger asked for geo and I didn't have any so I was fighting with only a 2 upgrade nail and the game still felt fair.

>>720355293
yeah my gripe is the challenge rooms. i like exploring. i like doing these megaman 1 tier rooms and all but when im being stopped by an obligatory wave gank arena room of nonsense then im not having fun anymore.
i dont feel accomplished, i feel annoyed that i had to do this shit. same shit with sekiro.

>>720355387
I understand your perspective but personally feel that most bosses beyond Act 1 needed MORE health and subsequently MORE phases

>>720355352
>p-please buy ubislop saars!
Not fooling anyone babel media.

>>720355425
>Desu

Is this the first time since Xenoblade 3 when /v/ has universally united against a game and all that it is?

>>720355502
>he doesnt know
Lurk harder desu

>>720355529
how embarrassing 4 u. newest of faggots

>>720355502
Desu I'm used to just typing desu instead of t b h

>>720355461
broodmother i did today and i thought that definitely didn't need another phase with more hp. or a tinier room.

of course, i dont have plentiful shards playin on xbox so i cant just, mod in unlimited currency. would probably make my experience better. now i am probably gonna go farm for an hour tomorrow.

>>720348864 (OP)
I'm surprised I haven't heard more people bring up how feminized the story is now. Women and their mothers are really emphasized in this.

The protagonist and her mother, the antagonist and her daughter, Shakra and her master who she treats as a mother, the huntress quest giver mother, and even the transportation beast. All these women and mothers are portrayed as powerful and competent, usually morally good or at least neutral.

Despite so many mothers being discussed, the fathers are conspicuously absent in this story.

The men that are in the story are all the worst characters. Grindle is a cowardly thief. That one flea is a pervert. The pinstress is a competent fighter living independently, whereas you're saving the effeminate pinmaster that upgrades your sword but can't do combat. The only competent and powerful male character seems to be the Green Prince - but of course, they had to make him gay in exchange.

I'm okay with shrugging one or two instances off, but at a certain point, I believe I'm seeing a feminist political agenda and it's annoying. If they make another game, I won't be buying it day one again.

>>720355637
she really only has 1 phase which is precisely my gripe

>>720355715
jesus fucking christ stop browsing /pol/ you insufferable reddit-spacing faggot

>>720355715
That's just crazy and all, but I didn't ask. Go back to pol jeet

>>720355753
nah theres a phase 2 and its just to introduce a body ping pong flop vertically

but i see what you mean. judge had 3 technically but it was really just phase 2 with an extra move

Why cant they just put some rosaries and shards at the end of each boss , why does it feel so fuckin dry , spending HOURS to kill a boss that drops NOTHING is not fun , It just feel like a chore bros.

>>720355796
yeah phase 2 is... getting an attack from boss 1 of HK. sure it's speedier but you actually have a dash (which is speedier than HK's dash)

>>720355715
>Hollow Knight is about the fellas
>Silksong is about the gals
Third game will be about the bugs

>>720355818
bosses that drop nothing? as in the major bosses that unlock new areas? that's the reward.

>>720355874
so far i haven't done many bosses past clockwork dancers and broodmother so i cant say, but act 1's widow and judge were the most fun in retrospect

i am really hoping theres more like clockwork dancers.

WHY IS THERE SO MANY FLYING ENEMIES AND WHY DOES ALL OF THEM BACK INPUT DODGE , WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

>>720355913
New area isnt a fuckin reward thats just progressing the fucking game

>>720355968
dont know why they cant drop a fuckin rosario rope and shard bag for the trouble.

>>720355920
there are really good bosses to come. it just sucks that you'll have to do every subquest to see some of them.

my most embarassing gaming memory is dying to no-eyes in hollow knight

>>720355968
genuinely what are you lacking rosaries for? it's impossible that you aren't accumulating 80 or fewer for bellway stations or benches unless you're avoiding all common enemies. you aren't supposed to be able to buy everything while in Act 1.

>>720356080
yeah still haven't figured out how to fight the guy in coral above the bell beast transport.

but these challenge rooms are wearing down my patience. specifically the one in the docks behind the simple key door

>>720348864 (OP)
>Act 1: 9/10
>Act 2: 7/10
>Act 3: 4/10
So the Baldur's Gate 3 formula? Is this why people like it, I bet they only played Act1 and formed a streamer's impression

>>720356158
do you have pimpillos? pimpillos delete the hardest phase of any enemy arena in like 2 seconds.

>>720356145
Fucking everything , I just dump 2k rosaries on shops and a quest that ask for 500 , did you even play the game? Why am I asking ofc not.

>>720356197
>pimpillos
dont know what that is.
the only tool ive abused the most were spike traps and poison knives. but i think i just need to sleep off my frustration and play tomorrow.

This game feel like an abusive relationship.

>>720356307
this game felt like it was supposed to release during the wave of le hard games during sekiro but they decided to not work on it for 6 fuckin years and never bothered to playtest it past the 8 people dickin around huffin eachothers farts on it

they knew hollow knight fans were sycophants so they were like heheh whatever they are probably used to this dogshit difficulty after grinding the first 1 for 7 years

>>720356265
>I just dump 2k rosaries on shops
should've kept some for benches and bellways ya silly goose.

>>720356304
stealing ur pic

>hey you know the first game where chest drop hunred of currency and is everywhere , where we barely charge you for a bench?
>how about we do that here except for every bench make everything more expensive and a chest drop like 20 beads at most?
I verbally scream at these dogshit decisikn sometimes

sex with sherma

>>720355109
>directional suck-in
>directional spells
>directional green goop balls
be a shame if you just bounced off his head with your weapon

>>720356461
curry curry ching chong click klak bing bong wikki wocki oooga booga

>>720348864 (OP)
forgive me path of pain because the fay mountain was a bigger nigger than you

>>720355715
anon have you considered that you're completely brain-rotted?

>>720357453
I felt the same until I realized the issue was that I wasn't utilizing the harpoon like at all
it's actually a fairly easy area with only a couple spots that spell almost certain death (falling into water)

>>720357669
my issue was floating as soon as I hit with the needle instead of waiting for her to jump up automatically and THEN float to gain some high, also the freeze mechanic made it way too tedious

>miss a jump
>go back to the heat spot
over and over

>>720348864 (OP)
HK1 was similar.

>>720355637
>i dont have plentiful shards playin on xbox so i cant just, mod in unlimited currency. would probably make my experience better. now i am probably gonna go farm for an hour tomorrow
you're also shit at nooticing, since you can buy a whole pack of shards from an npc for 50 rosaries
with thief's insignia charm you get 55 from a single big guy where the big lift in cogworks are, and there's 5 of them very close to the bench. takes like 2 minutes to kill all five even if you're bad.

>>720354521
>It's exhausting to run through 5-7 areas just to retry, even if those 5-7 areas are easy
did you refuse to pay for the bench lmao

>>720354774
Architect, Shaman, Witch, Reaper charge attacks are great

>>720355019
It's actually hilarious how much better Blasphemous 2 and Lost Crowns were in comparison with Silksong.
PoP has by far the best mapping system in the entire genre btw.

>>720359312
Lost Crown was boring

>>720359354
And Silksong is a tedious, unrewarding mess that's ten time worse than PoP in every aspect.

>>720359485
Ony place I remember in PoP is the raging sea. Very cool area. And the only good fight there was brown Vergil.

Too streamlined and made by committee desu.

I think a big flaw which isn't discussed is the change from charm notches to memory lockets. A charm notch always feels good to find meanwhile I've got half a dozen memory lockets unused because once you've got the three slots on your favourite crest unlocked, there's no reason to fill out the others.
This doubles into the design of the crest system itself where you're going to want the compass, warding bell and silkspeed anklets all game leaving little room for experimentation or changes in your build.

>>720359567
Have you talked to Eva yet. Also ewww Reaper user.

>>720359567
I already wasn't the biggest fan of charms in 1 because half of them are so inconsequential they should've been permanent unlocks yet saw no use because of your limited slots, but here it's somehow even worse. Compass, dice, silkspeed boots are everything you'd ever equip on yellow slots.

>>720359603
Reaper means free silk and every move worth using costs silk.

I finished the game ONLY to tell people that I did it.

Zero motivation to go for 100%. Rather than feeling sad that it's over, I felt only an overwhelming sense of relief.

>>720359312
lost crown's map was almost entirely linear, with a few obvious side challenge rooms. that's fine if all you care about it combat but there was no exploration at all. same thing with nine sols actually

>>720359729
>lost crown's map was almost entirely linear
It's in no way more linear than silksong's map and had a fuck ton of secrets and unlockables. Except with far better movement, extremely brutal platforming and combat.

Is Zote The Mighty in?

>>720359887
No, and there's no NPC as fun as him neither.

>>720348864 (OP)
honestly its almost impossible to finish without looking shit up
you have 0 way to know where double jump or nail throw ism and they are hidden extremly well
also need a guide to know how to unlock act 3, you get 0 indication for it

hollow knight had the same problem, and they did nothing to improve it

>>720359913
>as fun as him
I always let him die, he's annoying

>>720360145
Just admit you can't beat him in the colosseum faggot

>>720360269
True, he's the biggest fool of them all

>>720348864 (OP)
Act 3 is unironically the best part of the game, when it stops pretending to be a metroidvania and becomes a full action platforming game.

>>720348864 (OP)
That’s how the original Hollow Knight felt to me. Early game is fun, late game is lame pixel hunting backtracking.

>>720359603
Anything but Witch is normie shit.

I'm in act 2. Can someone tell me where is the double jump? Don't want to spoil something watching a video.

>>720361097
>cant use abilities, tools, the map or heal
lol
lmao

im stuck at the boss with this shit, the boss is easy, but i died 3x well into phase 2 since the fight takes for fucking ever and i choke after few minutes
the runback fallowed by very long intro animation you cant skip made me quit the game for now

>>720361341
Peak top left of the map.

>>720353606
>complains about backtracking and large areas
>refuses to use the fast travel point

>>720361341
behind the biggest cancer platforming section in the game
when you get to the mountain keep in mind that no, there is no upgrade to make it easier, it legit is that fucking retarded

I'm in the citadel and I was going around clearing up other areas but I think I'm just ready to wrap this game up honestly. Is it over after I kill the three citadel bosses and then a final boss basically? If I want to just skip act 3 and don't care about completion? I just want to know how close I am, I just want to beat this game and play something else already then come back another time to do other shit.

>>720362572
2 more bosses after you get all 3 song parts
though last boss seems like a joke? its one of the easiests, i think they want you to google how to get act 3 and do the other end game bosses

There should not be that many fliying enemies

what do you even do in this room? I found a few others like it. I have that quest to find silver bells in tunnels above and below bellhart, so I assume these rooms are related to that quest. but there's no silver bells here.

>>720348864 (OP)
cant be worse than nortubel

>>720362708
they often are exits to secret paths
bells are random spawn ... yes, completely rng random spawn
dont look for them, go to the top region next to exit to the left zone, run in look around, and run out, and run in, dont think more than 1 spans at once and they spawn on the floor

>>720362673
>in bilewater you have respawning flying enemies fuck with you while you do complex platforming on your way to the boss
lol
lmao

what about that little flying fuck in citadel throwing coins? every time you get close he dashes back

>>720363001
Game should have been more evasive enemies or more health compared to the first game, not both. Most exhausting part of the whole game is killing random trash mobs. It was kind of overdone even in the first game but I got used to it. I can't believe they made it worse.
There was nothing wrong with just starting to one-shot enemies you were bored of in Super Metroid.

>>720363319
the problem is how much hp they have
having to hit 10x a basic flying enemy is pure cancer

>>720362034
That area isn't hard though.

>>720362918
thanks

>>720363374
And getting a needle upgrade so you have to hit them 9 times instead of 10. Game never lets you feel powerful. The only enemies you can one-shot after getting fully upgraded are the ones you encountered 30 minutes into the game. You should be 1-2 shotting all small enemies from act 1 and then a few hits for act 2 area enemies.

>>720348864 (OP)
I swear they spent 7 years fine-tuning every aspect of the game to make it as annoying to play as possible

I see what people were saying about Bilewater now.
My hands hurt.

>>720362572
You gotta do most side content and find a lot of fleas for act 3

Yes if you get the 3 songs you can go to the end of the main game

>>720348864 (OP)
I'm glad I pirated the game and never played it.

>>720348864 (OP)
>It gets worse as you play
No

>>720363504
Skarrsinger Karmelita, a late game boss takes 300 hits to kill if you dont upgra your nail...
you do 5dmg and it has 1500 hp
but lets get real you will have 3-4 upgrades, so 150-100 hits ...

do you get anything cool for completing the hunter journal in pharloom? I'm at 77 complete, seems a bit of a chore to do the rest

This guy hasn't even played the game, bilewater is act 2 and in act 3 you get an instant transmission to bellpoints.

>have to do a minute long runback
>and watch 3 !!!!!!! fucking unskipable cinematics to fight the boss

lol
i swear they did it out of spite
random ass fucking rock falling cinematic mid fight you have to go through every time, amazing
this game is just badly designed, just to make you waste time and piss you off

>>720364518
>just to make you waste time and piss you off
The dark souls formula. This is just hollow knight: prepare to die

>>720348864 (OP)
>/v/ mocks AAA games signposting everything and handholding the player
>/v/ bitches when a game that doesn't tell where you should or shouldn't be, trusting you to put your ego aside and use critical thinking skills.

>>720365547
how the fuck not knowing where progression needed upgrades are on the map or having to backtrack complex platforming to fight a boss have to do with handholding you dumb nigger?
silksong defenders are legit mouth breathers who didnt even beat the game

>>720363534
every room has hazards that are placed in the way to catch you/enemies pop out at you unless you are playing like a speedrunner to dodge all that shit constantly

What drives someone to go into this much of a schizophrenic meltdown? Is he unable to cope with losing in a video game? Why samefag so much?

>>720357165
There's an even easier cheese for him if you can believe it.

>>720364518
The "final" boss is so easy that it's not designed to be repeatable.

>>720365629
You babble like an Indian, so I'm going to assume your mental deficiencies make you incapable of understanding how to be good at video games.

>>720365882
im doing the witch ending, with no abilities, no heal, tools, and doing less dmg its hard as balls
i got so used to parry and heal i cant do it anymore but i beat him twice normally

what about the little white girl boss? fucking 2 unskipable elevator ride cinematics and she sure as fuck isnt easy unless you tool spam

I'm in some kind of cancerous gauntlet with birds that I can't escape, what a shit show.

>Runbacks
>Artificial difficulty
>Doesn't respect my time
>Pointless tedium
I instantly disregard any opinion that utters these phrases.

>>720366073
Yeah you're doing a special challenge run.
Also, Lace? She's also pretty easy...

>>720349463
Literally hollow knight.
Never understood the autistic love of normies and vtards alike for an ok at best padded to the max light metroidvania

>>720348864 (OP)
I finally beat the tutorial guys and it's KINO

>>720366121
not challange run, just the second ending
its the runback thats tilting me, i would do it already, did her in normal ending no hit, but now i cant, every time i get to her im already pissed at how shitty this game bench location is

>>720366073
i did the curse ending today and you're just retarded. there are bosses that put you in random situations (like beastfly) and there are formulaic pattern-based ones like grimm, radiance, and gm silk. the latter is far easier to take no damage on, and keep in mind that everything in silksong is balanced around not having an iframe dash which makes it much more forgiving. doing less damage literally doesn't matter because you are just responding to patterns with the same predictable answers for longer.

>>720366079
use the needle trap you can buy from the smith in deep docks

>>720366926
sorry for not having autism like you
normal people dont do well with endless repetitive tasks, especially a fucking 5 minute long sequence of jumping around like a retard waiting for scissors from outside of the screen to hit you

still, fuck has that to do with the 3 fucking unescapable cinematics in this fight on top of a runback?
why the fuck do i have to stand in place for 30 seconds between phases each fucking time watching rock fall? fucking why
add that to the difficulty of the boss, after watching it for third time nobody normal wont get angry, and good luck playing good then

>>720367547
>normal people dont do well with endless repetitive tasks
then explain MMORPGs, gacha games and BR GaaS still being rather popular...

>>720367721
fuck that has to do with anything?
basic carrot and stick mechanics, gives you fake sense of progression and fake rewards
add in FOMO and habit forming by dailies and people just get addicted to it, has nothing to do with repetetive tasks that require precision and timing

I'm starting to think I don't actually like metroidvanias and that SotN is the exception.

>>720367927
normies infest FOMO games with basic carrot and stick mechanics... you claim they don't do well with endless repetitive tasks yet you see them consume repetitive slop like REPO or Fortnite or WoW or PoE or FF14... not to mention gachas with their dailies and weeklies

Am I being shizophrenic for feeling like a lot of the negative feedback about the game is the same people trying out different narrative to shit on the game, looking for the one that works?
I feel like some negativity is from genuine people, but most of it is people who didn't like the first game and don't want the second game to succeed, to a pathological degree.

>>720368204
I think you‘re just being a fanboy. I really liked the first game but didn‘t think it was perfect. Silksong is quite a bit worse to me

>>720368204
it's just 4chan trolls and other mentally ill individuals
everyone else love this game

>>720367547
>autism
you're projecting. it's been an hour and you're still stuck on an easy boss that you don't even have to no-hit, you're allowed 4 mistakes. you seem unable to learn. the runback is the least of your problems, retard.

>>720367721
>MMORPGs
>popular
you need 4chan detox

>babys first metroidvania
Its mid guys.
Nice game, but not spetacular.

>>720368204
Silksong is a big hyped release lmao you'll never know

There's definitely an ESL in this thread that keeps bringing up xenoblade 3 for some reason

>>720352003
I felt right from the start of the game that they were trollfacing while making this game. Almost like a social commentary on what kind of bullshit they can get away with just because the game has a lot of hype and die-hard fans.

>>720348864 (OP)
Act 3 is dogshit. Almost all bosses are shit.
Not worth people's time.

>>720366379
>He's happy reaching Act 3
Oh no no no... Poor guy doesn't know. Enjoy the beginning, it's by far the best part of Act 3. Once you get out of the abyss, the fun's over.

>>720351029
It's a single moth, I just beat it. But I loved this challenge, plus the boss at the end of the area, it really is fun. You should play more patiently and take your time, don't go in for hits if they're throwing a bomb since they'll blow up in your face. Hit it back at them, go for a single hit or silk storm, and back off and wait.

>>720359567
I agree. I haven't touched my loadout in so many hours. I thought "evolving" the crests would unlock more slots but no ....
To be fair, in HK you more or less ran the same loadout as well, but that's no excuse not to fix that in the sequel 7 years in the making.

>>720361341
Mountain area to the west of the Slab, which is west of Coral Chambers.
BRING 90 ROSARIES and stay on the look out for a hidden bench while climbing that bullshit challenge.

>>720369221
you can say that about any boss in this game except lace

>the final final boss is... just another fight with Lace-chan
>your reward for the trouble is a fucking TO BE CONTINUED

>>720365629
>sees area thats impossible to get to with current abilities
>instead of opening the map, placing a pin and checking which areas in the map he can still explore he'd rather open /v/ and complain like a little bitch
>waaaaaahhhh this game doesn't handhold me and tell me exactly where to go!!!!

you really aren't the brightest in your family, huh?

>>720369557
Not really, Act 3 is really worst. Only Seth and Karmelita are good, the 90% other are
>Gauntlet with a boss at the end, and the boss has at most 2 moves (Khan, Crawfather)
>Projectile spam boss, usually with 1 move (pale deer, Voltwyrm, Gurr, Pinstress)
>Copy pasted boss (dancers, trobio is even more cancer)
>straight up cancer that is going to be nerf (Nyleth)

Even LL is worst than regular Lace. She barely has new moves (it's just the same moves that all voided bugs have): the tsunami and she can do triple thrust. But her arena is actually worse (too big, too dark) and she can't stop teleporting like a sperg.

>Online information says you're locked in Underwater after accesssing it through Whiteward until you get the Harpoon.
That's ... not true, actually. I accidently got out without grabbing the upgrade and explored everything without it.

>>720368204
There's AT BEST two trolls who piggyback off genuine complaints to take the piss out of the fanbase and maybe establish a narrative.
But to me, most complaints are valid and genuine, albeit at times hyperbolic because they need to vent their frustration.

>>720369784
>have to buy pins
>cant write descriptions what they mean
>after 10 hours you forgot what it even was
>its that simple

lmao, shills are literally brain dead, you cant even make up an believable hypothetical situation

I hate how reliant on the pogoing combat and platforming still is. I got my fill of that already in hollow knight

>>720370707
Did you play HK just before SS?

>>720370707
I got better at pogoing after playing bo path the teal lotus, then I breezed abusing it while playing voidwrought and then Hollow Knight. Silksong's diagonal pogo kinda screws up my muscle memory but i'll get used to it

>>720370707
Pogoing itself is fine. Imprecise diagonal pogoing is the issue.

ACT 2 TIME

>>720370916
>Imprecise
it's really not

>>720370749
No, it‘s been over a year since i did path of pain and all of godhome but i‘m still bored of that gameplay
>>720370916
There‘s a crest that essentially gives you the knights moveset and pogo. I still use the base crest because that one makes gameplay feel a little different at least

>>720371035
>There‘s a crest that essentially gives you the knights moveset and pogo
Wanderer is shitty because it has half the range of actual Knight moves. For platforming nothing beats Reaper.

>>720351112
There are many, MANY places in the game that have the following:
-Shards for tools, which you can farm, pointless
-Rosaries, which you can farm, pointless
-Or FUCKING NOTHING, which you can't complain about because the idiots here ignore that this game is a Metroidvania

Apparently you can't complain about how artificially difficult and terrible this game is as a Metroidvania, because the retards on /v/ who defend this INSIST that this game is about challenge. Damn, then why isn't it just the Pantheon? Just challenge after challenge with only improvement being the reward. This game sucks.

>>720365629
Do you even like Metroidvanias if you're complaining about genre staples? Also you're an ESL so your opinion is automatically worthless

>>720372830
And you ignore that most hollow knight fans don‘t even like metroidvanias. There‘s probably a bigger overlap with soulslike fans

>>720372971
Metroid was never about wandering aimlessly. That's a thing that started with indie games and it turned into a feedback loop.

>>720369901
>Nyleth
One of the easiest bosses in the game. Her guardian is harder than her.

Is any one actually having fun? this game looks like forgettable indie slop to me, characters look like shit, the vignette and environments are whatever, music is whatever, and game play is basic bitch indie slop jump platforms and strike at bad looking enemies, nothing looks particularly well done or appealing in any way

>>720373129
>That's a thing that started with indie games
*Hollow knight. Most metroidvanias don‘t have that level of nonlinearity and don‘t try to make the player lost

>>720365629
>what does not being handheld to progession items or not being handheld into boss fights have to do with handholding?
Genuinely retarded

>>720373524
>Is any one actually having fun?
yea

>>720373292
It's annoying as fuck though. I wouldn't say it's a good fight.

>>720373549
A shame. Nonlinearity is the only thing this genre has going for it.

why did they make getting to act 3 so fucking tedious? i dont give a fuck about the fleas you faggot devs i just want to fight harder bosses

Hahahahaha are they fucking serious with this boss? Is it even worth it?

>>720373683
It is me, Team Cherry. We have received your message.
We will add 5 new gauntlets before a boss, no checkpoint, only annoying big and flying enemies that move fast. And the bosses themselves will spam one ability again and again. We will also add 3 other bosses that will spam ranged tools, too!
Thank you for your feedback and enjoy.

>>720373821
just got 100% on this game, this boss was definitely the hardest of them all for me.

>>720373084
So... is that why it's so bad? Was it designed for a fanbase that wanted a kaizo version of the first game? I really like the first game, but every decision in Silksong is the first game, only much worse.

>>720348864 (OP)
I think all three acts are a 7/10

>>720348864 (OP)
To me it's kind of obvious that Act 1 was meant to be the whole silksong DLC. Act 2 forwards was the "extra scope" they decided to add afterwards because it's honestly a totally different beast from the first act with the difficulty spiking up so fast from the first enemies you see.

>>720362572
Beating act 2 gives credits, but honestly it's more of a fake out ending. Act 3 continues the story and has an actual conclusion

>>720349463
I just reached a new area, the one with the purple blooms, and finding new stuff in this game gives me the opposite of a dopamine rush to be honest.

As I walk in the map bitch removes 40 rosaries from me. I don't have enough to buy the second map which costs 60.
I continue exploring and find some rosaries but also a save spot. I should be happy but the save spot removes my in the meantime gathered 60 rosaries that I need for the map piece.
Explore some more find a fast travel spot that costs 80.

Everything costs goddamn currency.
I am not going to busywork farm stuff from respawning enemies.

This is dogshit design.

>>720348864 (OP)
>obtuse methods
when did people start using the word "obtuse" to mean "cryptic" or "opaque"? I've been seeing it a lot lately.

>>720348864 (OP)
>the citadel itself is just too damn large, and most of the zones just feel like an extension of it.
I kinda viewed The Citadel as a sort of Dracula's Castle sorta thing, so I didn't mind this at all

https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/104?tab=files&file_id=358

Mandatory mod to play the game.

>>720378094
Oh shit, nice. I might actually pick it back up.

>>720378416
Yeah beastfly made me realize I was wasting time I'd never get back.

YOU WILL NEVER BEAT THE GAME

>>720378094
Nice, but I won't use it.
I'd rather not play games that don't respect my time.

>>720378927
If your time was worth jack shit you wouldn't post in schizo board. Now get the fuck out of here.

>>720355386
>but I was enthralled with the first game start to finish.
This is what is completely missing from Silksong, thanks to the dumb decisions the aussie autists made while having fun developing the game. In HK everything made sense and clicked since the beginning, and that allows you to immerse yourself into the game. Silksong has none of that.

>>720378748
Correct. I dropped it after act 2 because the game felt like it was dragging on more than necessary with all this filler and backtracking.

>>720355715
Dropped the game early, so I dont have an opinion but I also sensed a big number of NPCs being women.

>>720368204
I feel like your actual opinion on the game can be easily found from the question "Did you like hollow knight and want more of that?" If so, SIlksong does that.
It's not really that substantially different from it. It is harder, but honestly, if you beat HK it's completely doable.

The problem is, considering the fact that its been baking in the oven for almost a decade, it really doesn't deliver. I think there are a lot of questionable changes. The crest system feels kind of underbaked, for example. I think there are also pretty serious pacing problems at points, and a lot (most) of the exploration/ quest rewards feel kind of bad since its just money.

I don't think any of the above issues are really serious enough to like make the game bad per se, and I'm not even sure I'd really say SS is worse than hollowknight, but the fact that it doesn't feel like a clear upgrade from the previous game is kind of damning in itself.

>>720353843
if you do map makers quest in bilewater she will help you in the fight. makes it a joke.

>>720362034
The platforming section is one of the easiest in the game, there are no moving parts or real enemies or anything that would offer challenge.

>>720380201
Assuming you're OP, why would you rate Act 3 then

>>720373942
>>720373821
He can't even hit you if you just stand in swamp water.

>>720348864 (OP)
>Act 1 is more fun than Act 2
you are obviously ragebaiting

>>720372971
I love how you hollow knight cockriding retards always act like every metroidvania is a bloated mess that you spend 10+ hours of your play time backtracking in them. The good games don't even take 10 hours complete.

>>720358183
dumb fuckin retard, what the fuck do you think im farming?

>>720383971
The retard lost me on "less boss fights" as a negative
Boss fights are the worst thing about these kind of games, my main complaint about Silksong is how many bosses there are and how they are hard and annoying, it appeals to a specific type of soulless autist that thinks godhome is entertaining, more games need to look back on Demon's Souls, the challenge should be in the enemies and world not on some room

>>720358280
yeah why would i use them anyway?

When the update comes out how do I cancel it or avoid it? I prefer just to play it on the original difficulty

>>720352391
If you resume your save after defeating final boss you are put in the end of act 2 before you killed the boss. You cannot reach act 3 before you hack the abyss from your savefile. So now you cannot progress to act 3 by killing final boss, you are still in act 2.

>>720380510
>It's not really that substantially different from it.
It doesn't have HK's dogshit 6 hours of boredom start, it's more in line with other Metroidvanias there, and the backtracking is many many times less tedious because Hornet is much faster than the Knight.

>>720384740
>If you resume your save after defeating final boss
But you can't resume your save without
>You cannot reach act 3 before you hack the abyss from your savefile.
So act 2 has definitely ended. At best you can argue act 3 hasn't begun.

>>720384537
>When the update comes out how do I cancel it or avoid it?
If you have it on Steam? Then you're likely fucked, but it depends on how the game is configured with Steam.
If it's on consoles? You're fucked unless your console is hacked.
If you got it from GOG or Humble or whatever the DRM free options were. You simply ignore the updates and never update.

>>720348864 (OP)
>the optional content was bad
>and I HAD TO DO IT

>>720385607
Retard, people liked act 2 and wanted to experience what act 3 had to offer, how can you expect the content to be bad if you never do it once.

Has anyone figured out what the butterfly in the Wormways is about?

It wants sparks to bring about life (The Flintslate did nothing)

>>720352051
>There is no more act2 after the credits
Everything between entering the Citadel and seeing "ACT 3" is, in fact, still in Act 2. Including after credits stuff

>>720368204
anon ive already said what i wanted to say. its what i find incredibly frustrating and puts roadblocks into my enjoyment of the game.
flyin aids enemies and challenge rooms being spammed too much. not even gonna get into how the rewards dont match well with whta the game wants you to do. this sequel is disguised as a metroidvania.
this anon understands>>720370120

my gripes about the game are so ingrained in the actual structure of the game i cant even say ill give it a higher score if they fix this shit.

https://youtu.be/BN_ccYC5d64?si=C5jIjeUGYwuHlgM-

This is the only review I've seen calling the game shit. I think Team Cherry fucked up boys.

>>720369393
>its a single moth
i have no idea what youre talking about. i cant explore the rest of the zone unless i clear this room and its a pain in the ass to run back to in the first place for some reason unless im missing a bench somewhere.

>>720370230
>he confused progress blue orb pin with his secret area yellow pin
heh

>>720354820
This year's gimmick was pay southeast Asians to shill games with netease backing and shit on everything else

Just killed moorwing, is the other soon to be nerfed boss close or is it a more late game thing?
Would like to have both done before patch.
Really hurting on rosaries, i dont know if im exploring too wide and not deep enough but i owe Shakra 120 rosaries for 2 maps i haven't bought yet, there is a bench/train station i havent unlocked yet too
Currently doing Bellhart, Wyrm Tunnels, and surrounding areas

>>720370230
Shakra tells you to use each pin for a different kind of objective

>>720348864 (OP)
Sorry about that; this game is exactly the opposite gets better

>>720378094
You'd really think that Stakes of Marika in Elden Ring would have taught game designers that gamers do not value the runback.

They should add a charm that reverts difficulty to patch 1.0.

>>720384361
its crazy. this is probably one of the worst type of metroidvanias and this fanbase made hollow knight seem like it was totally baseline on what they should be. tedious samey bullshit with no sense of actual rewards and progress of power.

tryin to slap in dark souls into a game like this was a bad idea. 2d dark souls rip offs are retarded (salt and sactuary).
these people dont understand metroidvanias and im tired of them tryin to pretend this is one.

>collect 100 spider butts
>QUEST START
fucking spare me

>>720386667
next boss is very soon after greymoor. on the other hand they're nerfing environmental damage so you still didnt beat the game

THIS IS FUCKING AIDS

Silksong just makes me even more grateful for Ender Magnolia

>>720386667
>Really hurting on rosaries, i dont know if im exploring too wide and not deep enough
I had the same line of thought. At first, I felt like I should keep exploring to find rosaries via hidden loot, but then I realized I'd come across more stuff to pay for while still not having enough currency from exploring.
They really have no other solution than "Just farm specific enemies", which is horrible.

I think I might actually drop the game. It should have just ended 20 hours ago. Making common enemies take so many hits is just blatantly a mistake. It didn't even add difficulty, just annoyance. I don't understand why their HP count was tripled from the first game. I don't understand why two needle upgrades made me feel like I got no upgrade.

>>720387415
Salt & Sanctuary was great.

>>720348864 (OP)
Every time someone posts about a game's act 3 being garbage when its the peak of the game or 7/10 at worst I just know for a fact they hardbinged it and obviously got tired of playing for 12+ hours straight like most games will do

>>720387934
i didn't even include about a 1200 or so rosaries worth of items i haven't bought from "regular" merchants i was just talking about the "exploration" ones.
I dont mind it so much YET, i get that on the early and mid game the game might want me to make choices on what i spend my shit on but by the end of the game on a singleplayerfuckinggame i should be able to obtain enough currency to buy everything just organically without having to go out of my way to farm
I mentioned this on another thread, happened the same with expedition 33, finished the game and still needed like 1.5million frenchdollars to buy all the inventory from the gestalts
i dont understand those decisions

>>720388310
i remember enjoying S&S and then playing the sequel and dropping it after 1hour and a half

>>720385986
>Including after credits stuff
You're calling the main fucking menu, act 2?

>>720388751
>Find shopkeeper
>"Woah, these items might be some useful upgrades"
>leave because I just spent my saved up rosaries for basic necessities (bench, fast travel, map)
Haha ....

>>720348864 (OP)
>It gets worse as you play
So just like the original game?

>>720387831
got her
> they're nerfing environmental damage so you still didnt beat the game

Last boss i have done is sister sphincter and im doing savage beastfly right now
WHEN DO I GET A NAIL UPGRADE

>>720350419
>I cannot think of a single metroidvania where it isn't
sotn

>>720392961
Bellhart, kill widow and go to the nailsmith.

Common enemies take almost the same damage tho.

Oh boy if it isn't the filtered retards thread

>>720394624
just reached widow, was reading your post during the walkback
ty