Thread 720363805

PBR materials have been a disaster for gaming

you could have used a game that actually looks bad as an example

>>720363998
You "it looks le good" creatures are part of the problem. It has no soul.

Works on my machine

>>720364058
it clearly does

>>720364756
wow I am convinced, not

>>720364342
le color filter slop

>>720363805 (OP)
>Was going to use MGSV as the example of amazing, optimized use of PBR in vidya
>Just recently learned that it doesn't even use PBR, but some 20+ yo basic mix of Diffuse + Normal + Specular maps, on top of very modest ~50k tri meshes

Just goes to show that the industry vets were masters of the craft, and modern UE5 + Blender babbies keep cutting corners.

>>720363805 (OP)
Why?

>>720365031
use hw raytracing and hw reflections with 0 roughness so everything looks shiny lil bro

>>720365239
>you need raytracing and reflections for shiny materials
Stop posting any time

>>720363805 (OP)
re4 looks nortubel tier now

>>720364342
>screenshots with 10 post-processing filters in ps
trash

>>720363805 (OP)
Pabst Blue Ribbon?

>>720365485
PBR stands for Saar Do The Needful in indian

>>720365485
Pokemon Battle Revolution

>>720365850
it truly did ruin errythang...

>>720365031
>It doesn't use PBR it just uses a mix of albedo, normals, specular,

god fuck you niggers can be so retarded

>>720363805 (OP)
I'm still in awe of how good it still looks on the Gamecube.

>>720366457
Albedo, color, diffuse, or just a "texture" map...
Practically the same thing, different generation.

>>720364342
absolute slop

>>720367018
Yes but normals and specular maps are well into PBR territory

>>720370148
pbr also implies a complex lighting diffusion function

>>720370293
No it doesn't. PBR has nothing to do with raytracing. It can be 100% baked lighting and cubemaps and still be PBR.

>>720370409
i didn't mention raytracing

>>720370434
Then what's "a complex lighting diffusion function" to you?

>>720370453
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidirectional_scattering_distribution_function
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidirectional_reflectance_distribution_function

>>720370559
You can have none of that and still have PBR.

>>720370434
bro, stop arguing with that disingenuous troll.

>>720370831
>zero argument

>>720370709
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_based_rendering

>>720371120
Yes I know what we're talking about, your point?

>>720363805 (OP)
AAA games are so fucking ugly now, I want to go back to when shit was hand made.

>>720371165
pbr is all about the rendering equation, particularly light reflectance and diffusion functions

>>720371331
Made using different texture maps, yes.
And it ruined games because it standardized how everything is going to look

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with this game because nobody ever talks about Leon's face looking absolutely fucking stupid. Like how did this pass QC?
>console
Yeah but Leon looked fine in the original RE4 on console. You don't need a £1500 PC for a character to have a normal looking face. And anyway it's not fixed on PC. I have both versions and depending on the lighting of the scene Leon's face looks completely and utterly fucked

>>720364342
Yes yes anon, Photoshop and bullshots existed before you were even born. We know. You dont have to embarass yourself like this kiddo

>>720371543
>Leon's face looking absolutely fucking stupid
It looks bad in your pic especially , and the very first thing i did was use a face mod that was around when the game just released.
I highly suggest using it, it fixes his stupid buttchin and overall face

>>720371543
Use this mod : classic leon on nexus
looks perfectly fine to me.. your pic is just nitpicked nonsense

>>720365031
>50k is modest
lol thread?
>blender babies
If you actually tried doing something in blender you would know that interface of it isn't user friendly and it boasts so many functions that if you can actually go from the default cube to something that actually works into a game engine you're bound to know retopo/remesh. The issue with tris is that you need to know how to implement LODs to make the game run well.

>>720371543
you're not crazy you're just not a FOTM remake gobbling consumer
following the retarded industry obsession with face scanning makes the faces in all the RE engine games look off and downright horrible when they're talking or emoting
since the face isn't hand crafted they have no idea how to animate it properly so they just slap things together until its good enough and call it a day
everyone having off putting grimaces and getting weird chipmunk cheeks when they talk be damned because you spend 95% of the time looking at their back

there's a reason you rarely see any discussion of the remakes now unless its talking about how many things they just don't get right for inexplicable reasons because the FOTM is over

>>720374889
what are you on about. they capture every single expression from the actor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SnELWq2RF0
It's why every character takes months to make. from photoscanning, the nactually cleaning that scan up because it's unusuable. they don't slap anything together once the actor is fully captured you just do a regular mocap setup and it interpolates between those expressions that were captured.

>>720363805 (OP)
>>720371543
>>720372396
Why does every fucking AAA game have that disgusting plastic wig hair/fur? It looks atrocious.

Finally played RE4 Remake and it looks, plays and sounds so awful. I had to stop playing around 4 hours in because it was so horrible and unfun to play.
How the hell does it have so many glowing reviews, how the hell do so many of my online friends love this game when it's utter slop compared to the original.
I hated the RE2&RE3 remakes too but at least it was playable enough and different to the OGs enough that I could beat them once. RE4 feels too close to the original while controlling and being worse in every single way

>>720371543
>rendered cutscene vs in-game

>>720363805 (OP)
I've never seen anyone explain what PBR is

>>720365031
>doesn't even use PBR, but some 20+ yo basic mix of Diffuse + Normal + Specular maps, on top of very modest ~50k tri meshes
that’s what pbr is you mental midget

>>720376874
yeah old games had better hair lmao

>>720381965
A PBR (Physically Based Rendering) material is a type of material in computer graphics that simulates how light interacts with surfaces in the real world, leading to more realistic and consistent rendering across different lighting conditions. It uses specific texture maps, such as Base Color, Metalness, and Roughness, to define a material's properties, allowing for a more accurate and predictable representation of real-world materials. PBR materials are widely supported in modern game engines and 3D content creation tools because they provide the most realistic results for real-time graphics.

>>720376874
good hair
t. anon

>>720365031
why is he posing for a dakimakura

the issue is, devs don't realize that PBR doesn't have to mean absolute realism.

>>720382185
You used a forsen image so I'm not going to read your post I will hide my post and close the thread

>>720382331
>recognizing him
self-snitch

pbr is literally just standardizing how materials are defined with parameters like roughness, metallicity, refraction, and radiosity. you can still experiment with them to do whatever you want. it's just that instead of eyeballing that your material is wood-like can you just look at established measurements for wood as a material and compare them. do you have to? no. i don't get the negative connotation here.
>>720382314
this. stylized games can use PBR.

>>720377147
It plays well lilbro, just differently from the OG

>>720365031
Retard they literally talked about using physically based rendering at GDC.

>>720365031
Based retard not knowing what PBR is, u just described it

if PBR and gay tracing were at fault, we wouldnt have good looking movies. Art direction is king.

>>720386089
This. You can make good games with pbr and with UE5, devs are just retarded

>>720364342
This is AI generated

>>720390164
doesnt look like it
hell is us, alters, cyberpunk, some racing game, tlou2, kcd2, tsushima, dead space, jpg sky game

>>720363805 (OP)
Compare the graphics of Crysis 2 and 3.
C2 looks good in general but the materials were all over the place, some objects were overly specular, glossy etc. Every artist had their own workflow to create specular maps and such, leading to a big incosistent mess. This was the reason why they introduced PBR in C3, and its a visually much more coherent game.

>>720382234
This but unironically

Turn off antialiasing in cyberpunk and enjoy the PBR goodness.

>>720382274
Kek'd

>>720371543
He barely even looks like his face model who is actually pretty handsome. They made him look fuckin weird with huge jowls and a recessed chin. The RE4 OG face mod is okay but looks kind of out of place.

>>720390952
You forget the first game exists and blows both out of the water

>>720391017
kek

I think it's fine. It's just the art style matters.

>>720363805 (OP)
>PBR
Pabst Blue Ribbon? Whats that got to do with RE4?

>>720393749
PBR kills art style, you dumbass

>>720393837
this is like saying bump mapping ruins art style
it is just how it is used that looks ugly

>>720377147
Your online friends arent 4contrarian schizos like you.

>>720394068
The whole point of PBR is that it has fixed rules on how materials should look. In other words, it makes every game look the same.
If you had a fucking clue before opening your mouth you wouldn't have said that nonsense.

>>720394116
And you're not a 4contrarian schizo because...?

>>720394136
That's bullshit. You may as well say that everything looks the same with baked lighting.

OP and the "people" in this thread have no inner monologue and are subsequently retarded. "PBR materials" (normal/specular/roughness maps/etc.
) if done wrong looks like shit aka glossy/plastic same thing with the shading method, otherwise it's beautiful. Also normal maps etc existed before "PBR".

pbr = le hecking evil chungus amirite guys?

>>720379991
>cutscene

oh you mean the IN-ENGINE cutscenes that run during gameplay you fucking nigger

>>720396686
"baked lighting" is PBR you daft cunt

>>720363998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ

>>720401418
no it's baked lighting
>>720394136
>fixed rules on how materials should look
yes that is how all computer graphics shaders work be it toon, pbr or whatever ugly phong shit you're getting weepily nostalgic for

>>720401148
RE6 used unique models for cutscenes and every single cutscene had a material file pre-tweaked for that specific cutscene.
You can look in the game's arc files yourself.

Comparing a cutscene shot to an in-gameplay shot is always retarded.

>>720402294
>no it's baked lighting
You're thinking of textures that have lighting drawn on them. That's how old games used to do it.
PBR has baked lighting.
>b-but the reflections move when I move!!!
Yes, that's lighting baked to a cubemap.

>yes that is how all computer graphics shaders work
Now, not back then. Back then devs had to draw their textures, and the way they were drawn gave the game its style.

Stop posting any time

>things that look the way they should... LE BAD
>>720371543
Because you're fucking stupid and comparing cutscene/fmv models versus a lower quality gameplay model.

>>720401148
Do you not know in-engine cutscenes still use different models than the gameplay models?

>>720402580
>every game looking exactly the same... LE GOOD

>>720363805 (OP)
well but some point we had to move to them. Raytracing was the goal from the beginning. Rasterization was a filler gap that was meant to go away anyway.

I saw some pretty cool mods for Leon.

>>720401148
RE6 Leon is pretty boring. Generic face and voice. His first costume is lame but the second one is OK. Jake and Chris are much more interesting protagonists in that game.

>>720403251
Leon being boring is canon

I played 6 online and was invited to their steam group.
>person invites me
>haha we don't like drama here
>proceeds to list all the drama that's been happening
I just want to shoot some zombies you fucking spergs.

Why don't they explain the controls in RE6? There's so much cool shit you can do but most people probably wouldn't even know it's there.

>>720404159
it's not for casuals

>>720402896
>this excessive level of cope

>>720405528
>this zero argument

Sherry's bottom.