Thread 720392240

N64 or 3DS?

OoT there's no real reason not to just play on 3DS
MM is fine with restoration patch but some things still remain easier

OoT - 3DS
MM - N64

>>720392240 (OP)
the 3ds art is fine since it's directly inspired by the concept art but i prefer the n64 version because it's what i grew up with and what i'm used to

PC via the decompilation projects, or recompilation i forgot which

>>720393101
both exist, ship of harkinian aka decomp-based port is more popular for oot

I like both but prefer 3DS. I prefer the 3DS version of MM too despite the different bosses and physics.

>>720392240 (OP)
Left one looks stupid and makes me laugh. I'll choose this one.

You have to play the shitty old one where you can't assign boots to a button or make out what anything is supposed to be because old good new bad

PC > WiiVC > N64 >>>>>>>>> 3ds

>>720392240 (OP)
The 3DS graphics have a lot of effort put into them and I like high budget lofi, some things are worse, it gives a different vibe.

I can't just recommend the 3DS version for myself just because I HATE link's animations.

>>720393419
Zoomer

3ds version is fucking UGLY

>>720392240 (OP)
the 3ds graphics are great, but it really drops the ball in some parts, like that specific scene on your picture, as the dialogues are not timed as in the original, and also the final fight with Ganon, which loses completely the atmospere of the original, these flaws are not enough to discard it as a great version tho.

>>720393267
get the restoration patch, MM is great on 3ds with it.

>>720393419
You can just use Everdrive/Summercart with QoL mods enabled you zoomie

>>720393478
Base'

>>720392403
>>720393663
the restoration patch is great when it works. i played it two times on two different systems, it worked completely fine on one system and had zero issues and would crash like once per hour on the other making it basically unplayable.

OoT is fine on either system, MM is awful on 3DS and no the patch doesnt make a difference

>>720392680
this

>>720392240 (OP)
People hate 3DS OoT and I just don't get it. It's fine. Has it's own feel even. Own charm. And you got master quest.

>3DS MM on the other hand is an abomination... I don't even...

>>720393267
I definitely don't bother with n64 OoT other than for glitch hunting, randos and hacks. 3DS is always the one I go to nowadays, but it's baffling it's not on the switch 2.

>>720393586
Nah, it's good looking in it's own way. But it's not n64 OoT, certainly. And it is censored too.

Why is MM3D so hated?

>>720393536
Damn, I didn't even know there was a difference because I just ran through the legs without arrows like I do on n64. Yeah that's kinda ass ay.

>>720394023
i think the patch makes a substantial difference but it still doesn't elevate it to the level of the original

>>720394112
who are you quoting?

>>720392240 (OP)
3DS looks how I remember the N64 to be like.

>>720394309
>big eyes on everything to make it obvious
>dat Twinmold
>removal of content
>I can't remember the rest, but a lot of bullshit in it that shouldn't be there and gameplay compromises
OoT3D wasn't anything like this. It's kinda baffling this happened.

>>720394330
Just using a green text voice for effect.
>You must be new here

You read this in a voice
>different to this

Also now you are manually breathing.

>>720394309
there are various things that were stupid but the worst were trivializing the boss fights with giant obvious weak points and making inverted song of time worse for no reason

>>720394529
you're misunderstanding greentext and i don't really care enough to dog on you about it but eventually someone's going to sperg out at you about it

>>720394309
the new moon looks like a retard taking a shit, there are a few other major instances of botched art direction but this is the most obvious

>>720393536
every single remake does this shit, they always ruin it. Never fall for it

>>720394529
It's a different voice because it's a quote, implying someone else is speaking. If you want to maintain yourself as the speaker and give your text a different inflection you are also now manually blinking.

>>720393536
I love not being able the see the boss I'm fighting. Kino!

>>720392240 (OP)
Both

>>720394769
He always kinda looked like a constipated retard, but they really fucked up the eyes. OG has unfocused eyes that make it look more like an otherworldy, uncaring entity, meanwhile in the remake the eyes are focused directly on you, gives off more of a
>GRRR IM GOING TO DESTROY YOU
feeling

>>720394431
i can only imagine it was interference from middle or upper management because yeah afaik it was the same team, the same studio, etc. i don't know what the fuck went wrong.

>>720394529
>>720394875
it can also be for "quoting" things that happened, i.e. >>720394431

>>720392240 (OP)
3ds Oot
MM 3ds with mods, or N64

>>720393536
>n64
>a giant, looming monstrosity
>its only immediately visible traits are its inhuman eyes and weapons
>its full visage is only illuminated in brief flashes of lightning, as if the darkness itself is aiding it in battle, obscuring its form
>you can hear its monstrous breaths despite seeing it, as if it is a predator trying to kill you
>sky is filled with a dark brooding storm- feels like it's the end of the world and that everything is dependent upon this long awaited battle
>lends itself to the masterpiece of lighting and theming, being a final moment against evil manifest, where the final boss is not just threatening, but horrific
>
>3ds
>"OH MY GOSHERUHHHH!!! THIS TOO DAHRK- HOW GAMUR SEE EVIR KAIJU?!"
>brightens the entire arena
>ganon is now fully visible
>you are now fighting on an overcast sunset
>no actual lightning, no darkness
>theming is completely lost because the final boss is just a giant tired pig with swords waltzing around an arena
>"PREASE UNDERSTAND AND ENJOY"

Play the original.

>>720394885
It's part of the mystery and of the sense of danger. It's okay, I don't blame you. Zoomers wouldn't understand soul.

>>720394529
>Also now you are manually breathing.
Jokes on you i smoke weed and have short term memory issues, ill be back to normal in like 2 minutes

>>720394704
>you're misunderstanding greentext
No, you're misunderstanding what it became because you are slow.
It hasn't been about just quotes for 2 decades, anon.

We used to take the piss out of how our brains processed green text on /b/ for years. I guess newfags never had this experience. They don't start on /b/ for starters. They go straight for /v/, /a/ or /pol/ now.

>>720394875
>you are also now manually blinking.

>>720392240 (OP)
The recompile and it's not even close

>>720394885
youre a fucking tasteless retard, shut your mouth

God, remember "c-c-c-combos"?
Remember when fun was allowed on 4chan?

>>720395672
He's baiting you, you stupid NIGGER.

>>720395425
>Jokes on you i smoke weed and have short term memory issues, ill be back to normal in like 2 minutes
Also the game.

>>720393536
What sucks about portable games is they are going to look this because the point of a portable is you will be playing anywhere, be it outdoors or close to windows. Whereas if a game is designed for TV they expect that you've put your tv someplace where glare isn't an issue and it can be as grimdark as they want.

i'd say the original cuz you can emulate it on mobile easily, versus 3ds which might struggle depending on what kind of smart watch you have

>>720392240 (OP)
3ds is modified version, so you need a mod to restore it, the nigger64 looks like shit

>>720395945
esl or schizobabble, call it

>>720395481
it did change but not in the way you think. it's not just used to inflect differently.

>>720395905
I honestly don't mind it because OoT, even on a bright CRT in the dark, fucked with my eyes as a kid. I couldn't see shit sometimes.
Maybe that's why I was ok with the 3DS version. That and emulators still fucking suck with OoT (not incl recomp/SoH) and controllers for the n64 and wii for OoT always broke and bothered me.

I wish I had played it with a GC controller or a Hori ay. Would have been much less painful than a broken n64 or wii classic. Those controllers SUCKED.
3DS was much much better for me as a controller, surprisingly. I finally felt like I could move link correctly.

>>720395315
>>720395672
Boomers don't understand that their favorite games are outdated relics that need remakes to be playable.

>>720392240 (OP)
OoT 3DS clears by virtue of having the iron boots be a c-item instead of needing to slowly menu to the boots every time.

>>720396185
Ooooo the game is so clunky! i need a remaster to streamline the clunk out OoOOOoo *zooms autistically*

>>720393536

Goddamn that looks so shit. There's no excuse for this.

>>720396185
That's why Ship of Harkinian is your friend.
The switch emulator is fucking garbage and bugged and the 3DS is just inferior, despite being the next best version for me.
Ship has whatever input lag you feel like and runs great. n64 was pain in comparison.

>enable AA and 60fps in the oot recompile
>It looks and plays better than the remake
>runs on a toaster
Why aren't idiots talking about these, every last recompile is a literal miracle and will extend the life of these games by decades. M64coop is some of the coolest shit I have ever played and it's just the beginning of the mods these games will get now.

>>720396185
I truly feel bad for zoomers. You guys can't feel or detect "S O U L". Even when S O U L is pointed out to you, you deny it and crybully at your betters. You are a blind person having color described to you, only instead of saying "oh okay" you're saying "bullshit that's not possible"

>>720396227
That too. Little QoL features that made it comfy to use.
Emulators and recomps took it even further. You can even use dual analogs now from memory. Or a mouse.

I wouldn't be playing 3DS version unless you specifically want it's version for some reason.

>>720396343
3DS is sort of it's own curious thing though.
It even has it's own glitches and running community which is neato. I like comparing the runs and the differences.
Nintendo really should probably release both versions from now on. They're two different beasts. Both need remasters. kek.

>>720396441
>Or a mouse.
Yes, the recompiles can actually be played in first person with a mouse.

>>720392240 (OP)
3DS is better in basically every single regard, but every single time someone brings up the 3DS version someone else posts a screenshot of the Ganon fight being brighter as if it's the ultimate "gotcha" moment and the entire game is irredeemably shit.
It was made for a fucking handheld, you'd legitimately be unable to see anything at all with the slightest bit of glare if it was kept the same, it was so insanely dark originally.

>scroll the thread after typing this
>that exact thing was posted
I fucking knew it.

>>720392680
>MM - 3DS with restoration patch
Fixed it for you.

>The time between now and OoT3DS is longer than the time between OoT3DS and OoT...
Where did the time go?

>>720396645
Fuck off

>>720396590
It's a little too OP though.
It's like playing MGS1 with first person mode all the time.

>>720396441
Oh right I always forget the fan ports. If it's anything close to the Mario 64 one I imagine people have been making all sorts of QoL changes to it. I gotta get a way to plug my PC into my CRT so I can play shit like OoT and Mario 64 on a proper screen but with the improvements of the decomps

>>720396126
It has changed more since. But not too much from how /b/ experimented with it.
For a while there were chans with red texting, bold texting and shit like that as well.

>>720396791
Why though?
Ship completely rerenders shit to the point where it can make it look stunning without looking uncanny?
If I wanted an authentic CRT look, I'd use an n64 unmodded apart from a GC adapter or a Hori controller (those things are fucking expensive now).

WHO THOUGHT MAKING ME CRY FOR BING BONG IS GOOD GAMEPLAY?

>>720393536
Has anyone made a patch or anything that undoes this shit for the 3DS version?

>>720396615
i agree with everything you said but it is a point against it in terms of "what is the best version to play here and now"

>>720396995
because unless there are romhacks of the original that come with the QoL stuff the ports have I don't see any reason to bother with them. Is wanting to play the games on a CRT but with the iron boots as a C-button item such a outlandish idea?

the game wasnt worth finish when it came out

>>720397075
It's ~10 minutes of the game being aesthetically worse (subjectively at that), versus the other 25+ hours which have been markedly improved (and beyond aesthetics), /v/'s obsession with this alteration is bordering between severe autism and insanity

>>720397506
didn't say it tips the scale, just that it's a point against it. i don't have a strong preference, i prefer the n64 version because i grew up with it but i think it's cool that the 3ds version is closer to the concept art.

The changes in MM3d kinda suck but I love Giant Link WWE slamming Twinmold.

>>720394885
Huh... It's almost like you can see the important parts... like his obvious weak point on the tail and the swords that hit you...

>>720395827
i don't care

I still prefer the original. Not only do I dislike the changes to art style and graphics, I also simply find the 3DS nub inferior to the N64 controller for action games.

>>720397794
you can get a first party attachment if you don't like the nub but i hear you
https://nintendo3ds.fandom.com/wiki/Circle_Pad_Pro

>>720397794
>I also simply find the 3DS nub inferior to the N64 controller for action games.
Maybe if your N64 controller was new.
Those joysticks lasted maybe 2 weeks before getting worn. Worst designed controller in existence.

GC controller was a miracle in comparison. Still shits all over their modern controllers. They need to go back. That was peak nintendo controller.

>>720396791
Just play it anon
https://youtu.be/1XtWctiiHhU
https://youtu.be/hyuXu4Bzugs

>>720394431
>>720395242
>it was the same team, the same studio, etc. i don't know what the fuck went wrong
Aonuma doesn't like MM, so for MM3D he wrote up a list of things that he didn't like and forced Grezzo to 'fix' all of his "what in the world" moments.
Which means Zora swimming was literally too good so Aonuma had to enshittify it. You could say the same about MM as a whole.

>>720398285
Well it was hard to do the pirate maze with the only swim speed being super fast

>>720398161
SM64 modding community is fucking cracked ay.
They made sunshine run on the n64.

>>720392240 (OP)
N64 for both OoT and MM.

>>720398285
>Aonuma doesn't like MM
But why? It's literally superior to OoT in pretty much every way. It just has more overworld content than OoT instead of temples.

I think I'm going to post it.
https://files.catbox.moe/f4yx9k.zip (OOT)
https://files.catbox.moe/cdud02.zip (MM 2ship)
https://files.catbox.moe/0bl8bv.zip (MM Recomp)

>>720398614
Miyamoto forced them to crunch develop it in only a year so it falls short of all their ambitions due to time.

>>720392240 (OP)
N64. One of my favorite parts of the game was swimming fast. 3DS rapes that by making it take magic and producing an annoying sound the entire time you do it.

yeah but get the better link mod. Even on original hardware the better sword and shield models look so much better.

>>720398475
It gets even better
https://youtube.com/shorts/xrrmi99c-Mo

>>720398614
Aonuma is dogshit at Zelda and blames the games for his incompetence.
The big fucking eyes MM3D glues to all the bosses? Aonuma couldn't fathom a boss without a giant obvious weak point. That, to him, is a "what in the world" moment that NEEDED to be addressed.

>>720398987
Well that's not how a boss would work today. You don't just attack a modern zelda boss until it dies, it's gotta have patterns and phases.

>>720398987
MM bosses suck either way

>>720392240 (OP)
3DS is literally just what the N64 looked like to us when we were kids.

>>720396282
>>720396410
Why do you feel bad for me when I want a superior version of a game?

>>720392240 (OP)
Ship of Harkanian

>>720401354
they ever put out better models for that?

>>720401585
You're in luck, model replacements are basically the only meaningful modding support SOH has!

>>720396295
correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember hearing somewhere within this general, or maybe a comment section of a Nerrel video that the reason for this change is because the 3ds's 3d gimmick doesn't work well if most of the game screen is black or very dark colors in general. Or dark scenery causes ghosting to be more likely or something. So the devs brightened it up by a fuckton.

MAH BOI

>>720392240 (OP)
If one could fix the brightened lighting and add the Well/Shadow blood back (or Ganondorf's as a bonus), then 3DS N64 would basically be definitive for official releases. Don't care for the Gerudo logo change since the rest of the games canonized it, nor the OG Fire Temple theme since I didn't grow up with it. With the lighting problems, the Ganon fight's mood gets ruined and nights are just way too bright to compensate for handheld LCD screens.

>>720401982
Yes it's the ghosting. It was the Achilles heel of 3d. Whenever you have a strong contrast between light and dark the light spots have an annoying doubling effect.

>>720399135
>>720398614
Besides what >>720398987 shows, Aonuma also has sort of a fucked up mindset where he only looks at his pure successes fondly and really fucking hates being compared to his older works. He said something last year to the effect of, "Anyone that likes the older style of Zelda games [before Breath of the Wild] are just being nostalgic", as if he can't comprehend why people would prefer a traditional puzzle and dungeon setup Zelda versus the open world design of the newer games. When he looked at Majora's Mask with this newer mindset, even if BotW was still in development, he tried to peel it the fuck apart to make it more "traditional", and people got pissed, so to him fans don't know what they want and should just be quiet and appreciate the new good things that don't cast a shadow over everything he's doing now.

>>720394885
why didn't they light this scene properly? are they stupid?

>>720393536
>Boss's textures are visible only during the lightning flashes
Holy mother of soul

>>720396410
>crybully
Imagine being so submissive that a crybaby can bully you