Thread 720477856

Metroidvania of the year?
I liked it more than Silksong

>>720477856 (OP)
Still need to play it.

I agree but it came out last year

Favourite song from the soundtrack?
For me it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATfX1e50v94

Is it better than lilies? The first game was boring and too easy

>>720478901
It's not harder than Lilies. At its hardest it's about as hard as the middle section of Lilies (which in my opinion was the hardest). It has more creative ways that you can sequence break though which makes it more fun.

>>720478901
Also it has really highly customizable difficulty settings where you can specifically tweak things like enemy health, enemy damage, etc.

I liked that they went for a lighter narrative this time after the misery fest of Lilies.
But yes, as a metroidvania i like it more.

>>720477856 (OP)
>lolislop

Fags who say it is worse than Lilies never heard about burnout. Fucker, you played it right after Lilies, of course you got tired of the same shit.

>>720480290
I played lilies after Magnolia so i can objectively say Lilies is worse, being stuck in place in the air while attacking is a downgrade

>>720477856 (OP)
Sure enough, but is not like if it has any solid competitors aside silksong which is just ok, maybe Grime 2 could give it a run for its money it is guaranteed to come out this year and if it is better than the original then it has potential to become one of the best in the genre.

Loved it, felt like a better package than lilies only really falling short on the OST side.

>>720477856 (OP)
I prefer the aesthetic and mood of Ender Lilies more, it's harder to be invested in the world when its just robots instead of people. But I will say the gameplay of Magnolia is a big improvement

>>720481056
zombies aren't people

>>720479096
>customizable difficulty
So it's garbage

>>720478901
There are difficulty sliders accessible from go. But besides that:
>Gameplay
Magnolia > Lilies
More customization, about the same number of spirits. Totems for one can significantly change the way you play, though bangles are statslop. Status effects were a little unnecessary in my opinion.
>Enemies
Magnolia > Lilies
More variety than Lilies, in appearance and moveset, albeit a bit less thematically cohesive.
>Bosses
Magnolia > Lilies
Again more diverse ability-wise, but they lacked the presence and spectacle of the best few Lilies bosses. The end boss in particular was a bit disappointing.
>Environments
Lilies > Magnolia
The Witch's Thicket is extremely hard to beat. Magnolia as a whole is a bit forgettable in this regard. Compare the Biological Testing Ground to the Verboten Domain, for another example.
>Music
Lilies > Magnolia
Magnolia overuses vocals compared to Lilies' more subdued and melancholy tracks. Coding is pretty good though.
>Atmosphere
Lilies > Magnolia
Magnolia spells out too much about its world. There's always a concrete somewhere to go, something to do that detracts from the solemn peril and mystery that Lilies did much better. Lilac being a chatty and fearless action girl contributes to this.
>Story
Lilies > Magnolia
Again, too much is said. Most interactions with NPCs boil down to completing tasks. Overall, despite Magnolia having more talking than Lilies, less is said.

>>720477856 (OP)
I don't care about hollow knight and silksong but I loved Magnolia, it's definitely one of my personal new games of the year.
>>720478901
Both are good but it probably comes down to preference. I like Magnolia more. The difficulty of Magnolia is customizable. I played on the "hard' preset and I thought the challenge was engaging enough but it can be harder if you max out the sliders.

Magnolia is fucking amazing, they really improved on a lot of what made Lilies great, the new map is the best in its class for a Metroidvania, some of the abilities are useless and I never used them in my playthrough, like Reibolg for example, I never really understood how to utilize him for example.

>>720481291

You can make it harder if you want to look cool for Reddit anon!

the parry ability in both of the games sucks mega dick.
>8 second cooldown for a deflect that maybe deals the same damage as just hitting the enemy 2 times and it's not even guaranteed to hit

I really wish Blade Chimera wasn't so easy. I adored it mechanically, it's easily one of the most original metroidvanias out there thanks to the ghost sword being your main gimmick.
Thus far silksong is still the worst metroidvania i've played this year. It's not bad, but i cannot see myself ever replaying it because of how tediously boring it is.

>>720477856 (OP)
>weebshit
no thanks I'm an adult

>>720481652
Well the value comes more from the long parry window, no endlag, plus not having to worry about moving and ending up in a bad position like a dodge. And big damage in a small amount of time is key for posture breaks.

>>720477856 (OP)
that screams pedophile bait

>>720481324
>Again, too much is said. Most interactions with NPCs boil down to completing tasks
I actually got bored on my first playthrough of Magnolia and had to take a break before powering through it again because of this. There were just so many random NPCs that you had to talk to in the start and all their dialogue boiled down to was just getting you to fetch shit. It really should have leaned on the atmosphere more like Lilies did and just let you soak it in as you explore but desu most of the areas aren't as interesting visually

These are the perfect difficulty sliders to get the best possible experience.

>>720481652
Parry had an 8 second cd? Since when?

>>720483050
I had the exact same sliders except ×1.2 enemy hp

>>720481056
>it's harder to be invested in the world when its just robots instead of people
Is it though?

>>720482837
but you already have a parry by default so why not use that skill slot on a skill you can use whenever you want, the cooldown is too long to not make it useless

>>720477856 (OP)
Atrocious taste.

>>720483482
Seething silkslopper

>>720483452
>but you already have a parry by default
Carapace? It has less i-frames than dodging and does trash damage. Only good for mobs and catching projectiles. Parry spirit is a "I don't want to learn the timing on that one annoying attack" card.

>>720484169
You can parry absolutely every attack in Magnolia with the carapace. There is even a video of someone beating every boss no hit with just carapace damage and without ever moving.

https://youtu.be/81lyYHEAopk

>>720483302
It's different when the robutts are sexy

>>720484432
You can. And it's very hard. The average gamer isn't an autist who grinds every boss until they can beat them like that. They slip up on timings and beat the boss after a few tries. The parry is a good ability that makes the game easier than an alternative. That's fact.

>>720485105
the parry is trash, i unequipped it for the entire game after it went straight past an enemy dealing 0 damage

>>720478667
https://youtu.be/6hUxkrAgRJY?si=iuyG4b3vvcoLj8g2

>>720483157
I’m guessing he is talking about the big guy and completely ignoring the carapace which is stupidly op if you are a good player

This was a great game. Did nonlinearity and secrets pretty well, level design was fun. Commits a cardinal sin of the genre - splits itself in half with a story blockade, but it has a really good sense of progression, so maybe it's not so bad. Magnolia isn't doing anything to stand out or be flashy and attention-grabbing, but it's just a solid game IMO.

>>720478667
Crimson Forest or Motley's battle theme for me. Love how Motley's theme starts out slow and mournful, then picks up in the second phase when he starts driving around and trying to ram you.

>>720485392
Nta but the yell is pretty good with flying mobs and the chain is good for bosses, the horn is hot trash and a trap

>>720477856 (OP)
this and 9sols

Is it worth trying if I didn't like the first game? I love the art style and music but the level design/exploration and map are ass.

>>720477856 (OP)
It came out last year but yes it's my personal favourite metroidvania of all time.

>>720478557
>>720487134
The early ass sex doesn't count the full game released this year.

>>720487348
Yea sucks but thems the rules and only reason niggers would try to pity two great games up against each other

>>720477856 (OP)
I guess it's possible? I played Lilies and it was slow and drab and a little boring, not terrible, but the only reason you played it is because it has an anime girl.

>>720487089
They fixed the map so it's much easier to navigate now. Plus some spirits get decent upgrades to make exploration easier compare to predecessor. Mind that music and overall mood of the game is different. Eh. No harm in trying. I guess?

>>720480632
too bad Grime 1 looked and played like it was stuck in the PSP era

>>720488215
Grime was kino you just got filtered.

It's Lorna time.

>>720487736
I like 2D games with detailed art, pixelshit metroidvanias don't really do it for me

I think the cripple loli on a toilet sucks.

>>720487736
>but the only reason you played it is because it has an anime girl
And a cool knight. Anime girl + cool knights is really good combination.

>>720488543
you suck

>>720489624
All they had to do was to remove the fucking toilet.

>>720488287
Grime had a good premise but ultimately didn't do anything particularly interesting with it

>>720491110
There isn't any other metroidvania that forces a parry centered gameplay, not even nine sols, in Grime you either learn to parry or die.

>>720491389
dude I liked both games but there isn't a planet on which you can reasonable argue Nine Sols isn't more parry-centric than Grime

>>720491389
Where does the "interesting" part come in?

First game sucked so I doubt this is any better.

>>720491814
filtered by the witch?

Lillies > Magnolia
Final boss of Magnolia cuck blocked me, I had to google to know if that piece of crap was the true final boss

>>720492089
The final boss is the same, but on the true ending, he gets different moves.

>>720477856 (OP)
I played both and i liked them more than Hollow knight
it was much more fun to explore and keep track of stuff

>>720481324
>Overall, despite Magnolia having more talking than Lilies, less is said.
This is Magnolia's biggest problem. So much talking and yet so little emotional weight to anything because the characters spend more time telling you about the story than having any personality, never mind that the game wants you to care about the death of random NPCs you saw once ten hours ago and you're lucky if you even remember who they are at that point.

>>720478901
From a gameplay perspective it's a lot smoother and the redone spirits are better. From a story and atmosphere perspective? No.

>>720480290
If someone says they played each game when it came out you'd just say they don't remember Lilies well enough.

>>720491110
>>720491636
The other guy's a retard because Grime's gameplay was basic, what made Grime interesting was the unique setting and world and it had a superb finale. It's hard to imagine Grime 2 will live up to it in that regard.

>>720480632
Grime was a game that I wishlisted when I looked at the screenshots, but when I went to buy it and watched the trailer and saw how kinda whack the 3d models and animations actually looked I changed my mind.
Does it do anything interesting gameplay wise?

>>720494015
I thought everyone skipped the story

>>720494597
Not really. Fairly standard metroidvania movement with fairly standard soulslike item progression, lore dripfeeds, and storytelling. Combat had some solid crunch to it and the boss design was usually interesting, but it's not something I'd put in my top 10.

>>720494597
>Does it do anything interesting gameplay wise?
It has thoroughly mediocre platforming and its most unique mechanic is a retarded platform pulling gimmick that makes it even worse.
The most interesting element of it gameplay-wise would be the parry system wherein enemies have multiple health bars and parrying does a little damage to normal health but completely destroys a shielded health bar, and enemies act differently with broken parts. Plus almost every enemy in the game has an ability that you get from them by defeating them with a parry.
Combat still isn't particularly unique but it is polished and there are some great boss fights.

>>720494597
Parry centric combat, wide variety of armors and weapons which alter the way you play a soft version of AoS soul system with enemies giving you traits that you can use after you kill them, and gimmicky ass movement upgrade options.

>>720494973
>>720495050
>>720495091
I don't know if I like the sound of gearing in a metroidvania outside of hard progression upgrades. I like parrying but every game relying on it so much has started to wear me down. Thanks

>>720495340
Blame the 'vania' half, we've been dealing with equipment slots for 30 years. If you're looking for pure metroid take a look at Zexion.

>>720495340
>this nigga hates weapon and build variety
>he wants to play shitty hollow troon clones where you only use 1 weapon
Get the fuck out of here.

>>720494404
It's been a while since I played it. There was a nice amount of weapon variety, some of the art direction was interesting and the metroidvania aspect was competent enough, but I remember the story just didn't resonate with me at all. And I felt it didn't really lean into the unique aspects of its setting enough to set it apart from other games in the genre.

>>720477856 (OP)
It's not a metroidvania, it's a hollow-like. One of the best in fact.

The genre is called SotN-likes you uncultured zoomers.

>>720496681
>level ups
>no runbacks or lost currency
>weapon variety
No it's not tard

Dark Executioner Ender Lilies is my wife (male)

>>720477856 (OP)
They won.

>>720499628
Are the tendrils of lily sensible to the touch?

>>720500005
Well if she didn't feel anything from them she would've cut them.

>>720477856 (OP)
Fucking loved this game. There were some plotlines that seemed to get abandoned and never elaborated on (that bit with the Frost lady and the evil eye), and the Upper Stratum felt pretty unifinished.
Otherwise, great game. Unironically soi faced when I randomly ran into a grown up Lili.

>>720478667
Dignity lives in my brain

Loved the game, especially how it handled abilities by giving each Stand multiple ones, but thought the art design on the Homunculi was unfocused. The game could never really decide if it wanted them to be Frankenstein monsters or robots, so you get no thematic consistency. Plus the lore was a little forced in that way that sequels to games that didn't expect sequels are, like "Oh turns out that there were tons of descendants of the Ancients just one town over from the first game the whole time, why didn't we just borrow one of them instead of cloning the priestess again?" or how there's a whole new blight source because the writers couldn't think up another curse to plague the land.
I also thought the protagonist was a boy for like 2/3rds of the game.

>>720477856 (OP)
Is the MC a girl or a shota

>>720504134
Shota (female)

>>720497251
Silksong has different weapons

>>720497251
Based and vocabulary-pilled. These kids see a dodge roll and an iframes animation and immediately start barking “soulslike” like trained seals. Just admit you died to the swamp knight mini-boss and move on. Not every gloomy 2.5D action game is a hollow rip.

>>720477856 (OP)
>Metroidvania of the year?
It was the one I was most excited for this year. I didn't like it as much as Ender Lilies despite being a more polished game but it is close and I am very happy with it.
>I liked it more than Silksong
Still playing Silksong, got to be 40 hours in now and I love it. I usually say Ender Lilies is my favorite game in the genre but now it is neck and neck with Silksong. For Metroidvania's it has been a good year.

>>720477856 (OP)
I tried the first game and the gameplay was really boring. You just attacked slow and summons didn't really meld with each other that well. And the map sucked to navigate too

>>720477856 (OP)
Looks neat I guess. Random thought are there any happy colorful metroidvanias?

>>720504973
>I didn't like it as much as Ender Lilies despite being a more polished game but it is close and I am very happy with it
I'm not even sure what they could have done to beat the first one on just general atmosphere and theme.
I really hope for a third game.

>>720505262
Rabi-Ribi and Shantae are both happy and colorful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a9VfB1j8JM

>>720505596
There's definitely room for a sequel since it confirms other parts of the continent still affected by the rain, which was only cleared up locally in Lilies and Magnolia.

>>720481324
While understandable, Magnolia portrays it's story and interactions as such because it is not meant to be a hopeless world. You know where to go and you are surrounded with people because you are not meant to be in constant danger nor are you meant to feel despair, unlike with Lilies which did all of these with the simple yet well-executed way of having everyone already be dead.
So i understand people preferring Lilies for all this. And while i prefer its atmosphere as well, i absolutely preferred Magnolia's story compared to it because having to understand a story divided through items and notes throughout the game is very tiresome and annoying, to the point that i'm shocked to see so many people liking it that way.

>>720500573
Drastic lack of Luiseach fanart

>>720504134
Extremely cute loli. I will never understand how people keep misunderstanding her type.

>>720506557
Her haircut is shit, simple as, pair it with her non-existent personality, and you get yourself a boring MC.

>>720506835
No taste whatsoever, I recognize this terrible opinion from the last thread.

>>720487348
oh right. in that case yeah, definitely MOTY.

>>720507429
I wasn't in the last thread I was playing videogames yesterday, so it must be a general opinion.

Short bob cuts only work for tomboys, and she is too calm and collected to be one.

There are so many cool design choices in this game. Like how you unlock concept art with bonus currency. It feels like filling out a little digital artbook. Also love the meticulous difficulty settings.

>>720507893
You're right that she's not a tomboy but completely wrong about bob cuts. They're cute, I'm sorry if you can't enjoy a variety of hairstyles.

>>720508254
I miss this show

>>720508254
Maybe they chose to give her short hair to not confuse the player into believing that Lilac is Lily.

>>720508293
Season 2 never unfortunately. But yeah, I view Lilac as basically a white hair loli Purin. Like sort of calm and studious. Maybe slightly tsundere but not too much.

>>720477856 (OP)
It was shit just like the first game. Horrible combat and level design. You fags like it for one reason and one reason only. The little girl.

>>720509475
I'm not attracted to Lilac in any way, but I still like her game.

Lily however makes me go ToT

>>720481324
That's pretty much it.
Even if I'm very bored of Dark Souls story telling where everyone constantly vagueposts and nothing makes sense unless you put in absurd amounts of work, in this case them talking so much didn't help the overall mood.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>720477856 (OP)
Magnolia came out last year and was arguably a worse game than Lilies, so I disagree

>>720512804
>Her theme starts playing
I cried.

>>720512892
The full game came out this year, the early access doesn't count.

>>720477856 (OP)
I enjoyed this less than Ender Lilies

>>720512892
>arguably
make the argument then

>>720509475
>The only reason you fags like it is the little girl

>>720512990
I will readily admit I had to check my last played time on Steam and you're right, it was in January that I finished it.
Where has the time fucking gone?

>>720509475
>You fags like it for one reason and one reason only. The little girl.
half right
it's the "big knight man with a little girl"

>>720481056
>I purify your corrupted soul and bring back hope
is so much better than
>I fix the robot, it huffed too many farts

>>720513812
Pure white loli getting progressively more tentacle over the course of the game is fucking kino.

>>720513893
The funny part is that you don't notice the corruption until it starts to become noticeably bad, and you go, "wasn't her hair completely white before?"

>>720515191
It was so well done. You really don't start to notice until about three stages in.

>>720515191
>>720515421
What if I told you I didn't notice at all. I only know about it cause after I beat the game I looked some stuff up.

>>720515605
Come on by the last part of the game she is so blighted that it will be impossible not to notice, even the knight is worried about her by that point.

>>720515605
Bro what

>>720515605
I could forgive you for not noticing almost all the way through, but once she grows red tentacle sidebangs it's impossible to miss.

No contact damage? Yep, good geimu.

The final boss being a big letdown ended things with a sour note. Also a lot of the new ghosts just weren't as good as the starter ones.

>>720516387
You are talking about lilies, right, because the final boss of magnolia wasn't all that bad of a fight.

>>720516387
The final boss was a letdown in both games, just a different variety of letdown.
Lilies' final boss was possible to basically melt in five seconds if you'd been playing the game properly.

>>720516285
this and no one-shot floor is lava

>>720516387
I thought Gilroy was a pretty good final boss. I just didn't want the game to end though.

>>720516213
Not him but i didn't notice anything but her light not being as bright as before and i thought that had to to with the environment

>>720518747
anon

>>720517083
This is another thing that made silksong not click with me

>>720518806
so she does go barefoot later huh...

>>720477856 (OP)
I like it, gameplay is better but the first game's story is more interesting

>>720518806
Yeah, by stage 3 blight, there is no fucking way you won't notice.

>Ender Lillies' final boss is just a previous boss revamped
>Silksong's final boss is also just a previous boss revamped
HELLO?
I did not like this decision.

>Ender Magnolia's final boss is just a previous boss revamped
>Silksong's final boss is also just a previous boss revamped
HELLO?
I did not like this decision.

>>720520309
cute boy