Thread 720522031

>compiling shaders
>rapes your cpu
it's kind of scary to be honest

>>720522031 (OP)
this used to destroy the newer i9s
it broke one of mine then i got a free one

>>720522646
"used to"
it still does

>>720522031 (OP)
>Doesn't have an aio in 2025
Why? What's wrong with you?
>>720522847
No they fixed the degredation issue
At the time they also started overvolting them by default to try to stabilize old ones for some god forsaken reason.

>>720522960
i have a lf3 420 and the 9800x3d still hits 85c

>>720522031 (OP)
It seems weird to me that any application is allowed to suddenly demand 100% of your processing power like this. Shouldn't there be a limit?

>>720523039
That's not terrible for a modern processor going full throttle
Alternatively you could just let the fans hit 100%

>>720522031 (OP)
I have to disable overclocking on my CPU to prevent overheating for this. It's insane. Like please just let things compile slower, I don't care if it's twice as slow. Stop nuking my CPU.

>>720522031 (OP)
>open ff7 rebirth for the first time
>5090 shoots up to 500w
>cpu shoots up to 150w
>forgot my UPS is only 900w
>it shuts down because i was drawing too much power
this is a real story

>>720523079
It's completely insane. Not even malware is that vicious to your hardware.

>>720522031 (OP)
btw microsoft's direct x shader delivery thingy will just download precached shaders for your specific system. we will look back on these days as archaic

My cpu is watercooled, no issue here.

>>720523347
Bios and set full core workloads to just run at stock speeds?
Alternatively you could just set the temp where it throttles to something lower, that way you're not scared by a high temp but you can still enjoy your overclock in games.

>>720523380
lol I have had this happen with multiple games. It took me a long time to realize the only way to avoid this was disable overclocking.

My poor computer, getting brutalized out of nowhere and me having no idea what's even happening.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

>>720523079
There is a limit. It's built into the hardware itself. When the hardware can no longer handle the load it automatically throttles.

What you're seeing here is incredible optimization. There's almost no idle time for the CPU. It always has something to do. If you guys were waiting on compilation while the CPU sits at 30% utilization the whole time you'd be bitching about how devs "can't into optimization anymore".

>>720523079
It's pretty fucking bad when you're using ffmpeg or something

We peaked with crysis and have never gotten anywhere near it again

>>720523079
>Shouldn't there be a limit?
there is a limit, the thermal or power limit of the CPU you bought
the CPU does whatever math you give to it, the program doesn't "demand" processing power; it specifies a bunch of work and the CPU solves it.
all programs do this, compiling shaders is just a big chunk of work and the CPU solves it as fast as it's allowed to.

>>720523430
and all it cost was our privacy and freedom

>>720523430
That's basically online required DRM... no thanks

>niggas scared of USING their components
I don't understand this shit man. It's not like you're even constantly under load, it's like 30 seconds when you launch a game for the first time.

>>720523430
kinda wild steam doesn't do this - I suppose it's a massive security risk to crowd source the compiled shaders so you'd need to virtualize every possible combo and generate the shaders in house?
I dont know enough about this, seems like a hard problem to solve.

>>720522031 (OP)
Remember when games did not need to do that shit?

>>720526828
Pretty sure they do this for Linux

>>720526828
The problem is already solved. You have end user compile. It's a one time thing that takes a few minutes. What's the problem?

>>720526901
No, I remember Battlefield 2 (2005) doing this actually.

>>720527018
people with shitty CPU's complain? It's not a problem for me but it is for others.
my wife has to wait +5 minutes for Detroit robot game to start, and it has to do it every time theres a windows/driver/game update.

>>720523079
linux does not have this problem (cgroups)

>>720523430
>>720526828
This shit will never work. They would need to have a library of endless sets of unique shader packages that account for every possible combination of hardware, settings, drivers, etc. to actually deliver the right one to you, in addition to giving them unrestricted access to your PC so it can collect data on every component in it.

Streaming games through On-Live and Stadia was a more reasonable idea than the idea of having a third party provide the right shader instructions you need.

>>720526901
blame modern artists
instead of constraining them to certain specifications, the programmers just let them create custom shaders for every fucking random bush and rock, so your average AAA game now has to create and manage 100,000 different shaders (not an exaggeration) at runtime.

>>720527137
I'm still running a Ryzen 2600 and this is just not a problem for me.

>>720526828
The GPU manufacturers would use this platform to shill the latest models. Older but still serviceable hardware like 6000 series radeons or 3000 series nvidia wouldn't be included.

>>720527212
how much config generates a unique shader output? I thought it was just CPU+GPU hardware/drivers + specific windows version?
if it's more then that you're correct, if it's just that then they already have it.

>>720523039
7800 and 9800x3ds naturally get hot, 85c isn't going to hurt it.

there are retards in this thread who overclock with the stock cooler, just so they can run idle cycles at a higher frequency and disable it when the extra power is actually being used

>>720526828
Steam does this for the Deck

>MUH computer nerd shit
Touch grass losers

>>720527261
that's a good thing though, you can load in a 500mb mp4 as a background or you can get a shader to dynamically draw one with <1% of the resources.
theres a reason we use shaders and it's not laziness, its harder to make shaders, shaders are used to INCREASE performance by giving the big expensive GPU more to do.

>>720525396
I run batch encodes with ffmpeg keeping my Ryzen 5950X on 100% throughout winter. 75°C max on a Noctua Redux cooler. No issues at all.

Werks fine on my laptop with Conductonaut, everything else is stock, 100% heats up to like 85°C (TJMax 105°C).

>>720522960
>No they fixed the degredation issue
They really didn't. Firefox says their crash servers are getting overloaded from degrading i9s.

>>720522031 (OP)
This is what you get by using DirectX12 instead of vulkan.
And it is a massive improvement over trying to run this shit while the game is running and causing several multi second stutters as way too many games do.

>>720528227
>Firefox says their crash servers are getting overloaded from degrading i9s.
Firefox is made by women now. Of course they're going to blame something other than themselves for the browser crashing.

>>720526828
you shouldn't have to crowd source anything. the dev/publisher QA should have a representative sample of all supported GPUs. similar GPUs themselves share essentially the same architecture that only differs quantitatively in terms of compute units, memory size, etc. which should be controllable as variables (in the compiler). so, you should be able to either borrow the hardware or just ask QA to run the compilers, and you now have the binaries for all supported chips.
>but what about new chips
they should be backwards-compatible for at least several generations, and if they're not, then it's not your problem. worst case, you can still run the compiler, but it only runs for unsupported chips.

the bigger point being that all the advantages of compiling on the local machine could also be applied to the base (CPU) program, but nobody expects you to compile that on your machine, and fuck you if have AMD 3DNow when the program was only optimized for Intel SSE.

>>720528193
>injecting T-1000 into your pc

>>720523079
Nah, why should there be? It would be pretty weird for your computer to be limited to below 100% performance by default.

>>720527137
Imagine letting m*crosoft update your PC. I turned off wangblows update permanently 4 years ago.

>>720529696
Why are you even using "wangblows" if you hate so much? Just use linux like the rest of the commie trannies.

>>720531761
Because the way I use my PC works exactly the way I want it to with zero inconvenience for me.

>>720522031 (OP)
You can set core affinity to limit it to, say, half cores. Shouldn't affect regular gameplay that much since that's single-core performance bound.

>>720522031 (OP)
If your CPU can't sustain high load for a short amount of time your build is already broken.

>>720526901
No, because games were always doing that shit whether you realized it or not.

>>720527594
Does this mystery meat realize he's talking about a 10 year old?

>>720532845
The Sims was released before programmable shaders was even a thing. There's no shader compilation going on there. It's just loading the game data.

>>720532664
Depends on how many cores you have. If you're on something like an 8C CPU and limit games to 4C, then you could very well see CPU bottlenecks or stuttering in some games. If you're on 16C and limit to 8C instead for instance, that likely wouldn't impact performance since games don't really seem to use more cores than that, at least not most games.

>>720522031 (OP)
>zoomers get scared when their cpu is used 100%

>>720526205
>my time is worth less than my harddrive space

What's actually scary is how many of you seem to be running unstable systems and don't see a problem with it.

>>720535513
I don't care about CPU utilization being 100%.

But I do care when the CPU temp is >90C

>>720536803
should have gotten that bigass heatsink and noctua fans instead of the faggy AIO

>>720523039
>85c
wait this degrades the cpu? mines been running at that temp on idle for years now.

>>720523380
>this is a real story
woah man thats fucked up

>>720523430
Cattle