Thread 721101726

Kaidan goes with the salarians, he's special forces, that's why he was hanging out with shep at the start of the game. Ash is assigned to general marine detail with the other dozen or so marines that unload the bomb. I'd assume the bomb was armed by the engineers and ship crew who weren't marines anyway so it's not like Ash did anything with the nuke, she was just physically there to protect it with the other marines.
IDK I guess the only question would be who is the highest ranking marine after Kaidan. Because Kaidan is the only member of the normandy with special forces training other than shep. Actually I guess it is slightly weird you don't pick up anyone after Anderson leaves. The original structure is
Anderson cap
shep first officer
presley second officer
kaidan head of marines
I assume it goes
Shep -> presley -> adams after anderson leaves. I assume Adams is in the commanding officer group and that there is no way chakwas is in the command structure regardless of rank, like how on star trek mccoy never takes command of the enterprise even though he is one of the highest ranks because he isn't part of the command structure and it would go to like Sulu or Uhura before mccoy even though they are lower ranks.
IDK if Kaidan is in the group that would command the normandy, or just the marines and idk who the highest ranking marine is after kaidan, but I'd assume Kaidan goes with the Salarains and the 2nd highest marine run the marine group with ashley in it to defend the bomb. Adams sets the bomb and Presley commands the normandy

>>721101726 (OP)

You would assign a woman to assemble a bomb, which was the most important part of the mission?

>>721101726 (OP)
If you use your head, you save Kaidan
If you use your dick, you save Ashley

more like presley was always the xo, the gay psychic was part of the securty/ground team, shep gets put on the ship not too long before they head out to Terra Nova, because you, the player, still are sniffing all the other crew's asses to get to know them.

>>721101726 (OP)
>like how on star trek mccoy never takes command of the enterprise even though he is one of the highest ranks because he isn't part of the command structure and it would go to like Sulu or Uhura before mccoy even though they are lower ranks.
if there's no bridge officer on duty in star trek then the highest ranking individual takes command
this happened on TNG when Troi (Lt Cmdr) was left in charge when the rest of the crew were trapped and she was with O'brien (non-com chief) and Ro (ensign)
also Beverley was left in command once
anyway, Presley is XO but there may have been other bridge officers that served under Presley. Kaidan outranks Ashley because he's an officer and she's a soldier.

>>721102385
neither of them assemble the bomb. It's either Adams, Tali and the rest of the engineers or some other department on the ship with unnamed NPCs you don't talk to. Kaidan doesn't do jack shit with the bomb, he's not a nuke or ordinance guy, his job is the commanding marine
>>721102547
Shep is the second highest rank in the prologue. When the game starts Anderson is the cap, Shep is the XO and Presley is 3rd and Adams is probably 4th. When Anderson leaves shep becomes cap, Presley XO and Adams 3rd. That was like the maiden voyage of the normandy or the first normandy mission after shakedown so it's not like the crew was together very long even if shep only showed up for that mission

>>721101726 (OP)
Kaidan is a bro. Sure they made him a faggot in the third game but he was well-written in the first Mass Effect.

I never send him with the Salarians since Ash is more lethal and capable on the battlefield than him. That's why I tell her to hang on so I can go back to save Kaidan. It's works pretty well as a head-canon since my idea was to rescue both.

>>721102576
idk if there is someone in between Kaidan and Ash or if Ash is the second highest rank marine. Didn't they have a whole fucking episode about Troi having to take a test to become a commanding officer?

>>721101726 (OP)
realistically it makes no sense for a special forces operative to be second in command or commanding of a warship. That's like if a navy seal captain was commanding a guided missile destroyer because he's in the navy so why not?

>>721102525
If you really use your head you realize it is shitty Bioware writing that is so contrived it begs to many other questions, such as, "This is a full scale assault of special forces groups to arm and detonate a nuclear warhead, but no one made any exit plans on what to do if the enemy actually provided a fucking resistance." It's a shitty choice, not because someone has to die, because let's face it, they chose the 2 most forgettable and impactful characters for a reason, but because the writing is fucking atrocious.

>>721102874
>idk if there is someone in between Kaidan and Ash or if Ash is the second highest rank marine
impossible to say, there's a bunch of random people in the background on the normandy that could be any rank or no rank. Also we don't know Joker's rank, or if he was just a crewman
yeah, Troi realised that she was retarded and incompetent on the bridge and took a test to become a commander

>>721102894
It makes sense if he's a mystery meat spook that doesn't operate in normal rank structure, like Shep is someone's personal investment.
Normandy is a one trick pony space vessel, it has limited utility other than risky combat missions and insertions. Payload is small, can't use nukes without breaking conventions, can only sneak people and 1-2 vehicles or equivalent non-nukes around. Useful, sure, but it's too specialized.

Now why would an Admiral be given a stealth vessel, that's a problem.

Ashley should and would have been dumped at the Citadel for debrief with the alliance and back to whatever mediocre dirtside garrison duty she was fit for.

There isnt a real world analogy that works because all gayops youve heard of are complete memes because 90% of warfare is lying and psyops for most of the last 100 years. But Ashley is very much the equivalent of a proven mediocre Army guy who has only ever sat on bases in the US being brought along on something even remotely serious-it wont ever happen.

Her (or rex or tali) sitting in on the crew meetings is beyond asinine, though you could make an argument for his alien and long experience being quite valuable, especially because he has no state actor behind him.
Ashleys interjections made me want to be able to toss her in the brig immediately. Playing as a female made me hate her lmao

>Normandy SR-2 is a frigate
>model size in comparison to its shuttle puts it at a cruiser size
aieeeeeee

>>721103603
isn't Anderson only a captain in ME1? The Normandy is also weird because it's a joint turrian/human skunk works project to develop a stealth ship so it's more about diplomatic relations with the Turrians than anything else. that's why the one turrian spook is on the ship to start the game, they then hand it over to shep because shep get's made a specter, though it's odd there is no other turrian crew

>>721103757
>Playing as a female made me hate her lmao
tranny

>>721104394
In ME1 yes, but they gave Normandy in 3.

>>721104481
Thats great bud, I was playing ME before you were born and didnt try playing the female until last month.

>>721104394
>they then hand it over to shep because shep get's made a specter, though it's odd there is no other turrian crew
I think the implication is that it's primarily a human ship. It had only a small amount of Turian specialists involved in its construction, otherwise humans pay the most expenses, pay maintenance costs and get to name it.
Maybe it's a 'reparations' scheme of some sort, Turians certainly don't lose anything, but that's also not Turian-like.

>>721104394
>Turians develop it
>humans profit

>>721105314
I was born in the 1990s and played ME1 when it came out, you are a tranny
>>721105016
the captured normandy isn't supposed to fly in ME3. he only has command because he's dealing with shep's trial so they give him command of the grounded ship too

>>721103757
>Ashley should and would have been dumped at the Citadel for debrief
shepherd had free range to build his crew so what if he wanted to bang later, okay?

>>721105649
>the captured normandy isn't supposed to fly in ME3. he only has command because he's dealing with shep's trial so they give him command of the grounded ship too
Makes sense.
Fuck the Alliance, those glowniggers messed up SR2. It's not your ship!

>>721102525
Kaidan would understand.

>>721101726 (OP)
Kaidan is a homosexual so I always let him die

>>721102525
>use head
save Kaidan
>use other head
save Kaidan

Simple as

>>721107932
usually when I play kaidan goes with the salarians so you have to go back for ash because you have to make sure the bomb goes off

>>721104394
Nihlus wasn't on there because it was a Turian ship. He was there scouting Shepard as a Spectre candidate.

>>721102576
in TNG Beverly Crusher actually sought command training before Troi. Even though she's the ship doctor. Troi would later realize she's just a ditz who sits on the bridge taking up space and useless in an emergency so she approaches Riker requesting to do some command training.

>>721108216
But anon...hes only gay if you choose the options to make it so.

>>721108820
It was because Crusher was in command while everyone was helping with the Hugh Rebellion. Troi was envious of a more attractive and capable woman.

>>721103757
>There isnt a real world analogy that works because all gayops youve heard of are complete memes because 90% of warfare is lying and psyops for most of the last 100 years
You've* and if you're going to casually drop misinformation in your post at least make sure it doesn't just make you look like a yappy nigger barking at the air.

I like it when ashley gets paired with aliens in porn because it's like extra degrading for her

>>721109102
I like when Ashley gobbles my cock in the first game.

>>721108820
well it's kind of weird, there was a 'bridge officer training' test that, when Troi took it, she graduated to Commander, so the test seems to be a pre-requisite to holding that rank. Bevs was always a Commander from the start of the show so must have completed that test beforehand
however, you don't need to be a Commander rank to be in command, any officer can be put in command of the bridge on a temporary basis
Troi's utter uselessness was revealed when she lost her emphatic powers and went insane that she was basically just a normal human

>>721108216
Kaidan is bisexual and my husband

>>721109203
I thought she had Commander rank for her job, but it was just honorary, and the test was so she could actually use that rank.

>>721109203
>>721109339
I'd always thought she was just a civvie in the early seasons since she never bothered wearing a uniform, should have kept her that way.

>>721109339
no, she was Lt. Cmdr., same rank as Data (the 2nd officer) before that episode, then she gets promoted once she completes the test in the same episode, it's strongly implied that the test is a pre-requisite
there's no reason she couldn't have commanded the enterprise at any point in the show, she's just a useless bimbo

>>721109518
Yeah, because Geordi ran the bridge as a Lieutenant a couple of times in S1.

>>721109429
she got called out by captain jellico in season 6 and was so embarrassed that she never wore her slutty clothes again for the rest of the series

>>721109898
He killed Bob Morton because he made a mistake.

>save Ash because they retcon Kaiden into being a faggot later on
Every playthrough

>>721110120
I saved her because Kaidan was uninteresting, and at least Ashley had a pussy.

>>721110120
they actually originally planned for him to be gay from the start because all the mshep romance dialogue is still on the disk and you can reactivate it with mods
they claimed it was scrapped due to a technical limitation but that is obvious bullshit, they were under too much heat as it was with liara lesbian sexo because this was still the days of hillary clinton freaking out over the hot coffee GTA mod

>>721110439
>could have got rid of Liara completely and left in gay sex
They made the wrong choice. At least Kaidan wasn't trying to rape you in 3.

>>721109203
irl in the navy there Line Officers and Staff Officers. So someone like Bones was a Staff officer where he held a high rank so they could pay him more and he had an important job as a doctor, but he had no bridge or command training so he would never be in charge of the enterprise unless every other officer was simultaneously incapacitated.
Crusher being a commander and being able to command the bridge were both unrelated. she decided she wanted to be able to command the bridge at some point prior to the TNG so she already took the test. Troi didn't make that decision until the show.
One of the ways star trek possibly differs from IRL is that idk if staff officers can take bridge officer training irl like they did in star trek and star trek obviously puts more importance on nonmilitary jobs, like how Spock, Picard and Data are all science officers but they are all captains/high ranking command officers

>>721109339
>>721109429
it's not honorary, but it is job based because the pay is based on the rank

>>721110703
Yeah, but in TNG they don't use money.

>>721109518
>>721109625
because there is a difference between line officers and staff officers in the US navy and the command structure in star trek is based on US navy command structure. troi and mccoy are staff officers where as everyone you see who takes command of the ship is a line officer. rank isn't dependent on staff vs line. another example of this is how in band of brothers Nixon never commands anyone, but he holds a rank similar to winters for most of the show

>>721110842
>>721110631
there's no staff/line officer distinction in star trek
spock is the science officer and the executive officer

>>721110439
this
>no we need all the gay lines for technical reasons
>>721110543
the liara thing was controversial because she was naked and a lesbian. it's why none of the sex scenes in 2 have nudity other than maybe the DLC liara one. They also figured they could more easily get away with lesbian Liara than anything else because Liara is an alien and lesbians are hot

>>721111004
Lesbians are hot in principle. Liara is not. It'd be like watching Rosie O'Donnell go at it with another chick.

>>721110774
they still based it on the US navy when they wrote it
>>721110927
same with data and picard. they either value science officers more, since they are in space, or those 2 took the test. but TOS was 100% based on the US navy structure and that's why bones is a staff officer who never takes command of the ship

Kaiden because Ashley is a BITCH

>>721101726 (OP)
kaidan has a tech background so he stays with the bomb to the very last second to ensure it goes off.

>>721111262
he's not an ordnance guy. he's not the one who set up the bomb. either adams rigged the bomb or one of the no named NPCs did. all the marines did was guard it until it went off

>>721110927
>>721110842
>>721110631
also, in TNG 05x14, when they regain access to the computer, they ask it to show the crew manifest. The computer lists the senior officers in order of seniority- Picard, Macduff, Riker, Data, Crusher, Troi, La Forge, Worf, Ro. It doesn't distinguish between line and staff officers and given it does not list in order of rank (Data is the 3rd officer in this scenario but Crusher outranks him) we can infer that Troi is a 'line officer' (this is before her promotion), which suggests that no distinction exists

>>721111004
>because Liara is an alien
also because she is from an all-female race so it's technically not lesbianism
in fact, the more that I think about it, that whole element of the asari was probably a way to get round the censors

>>721111531
if they changed it they didn't change it until TNG. in TOS the only 2 things that are odd are that science is a line officer, which makes sense because future so science would be more important, and that Uhura never takes command because she's a black woman in the 60s.
Bones is the same rank as scotty and spock and never commands the ship but scotty, spock sulu (who is a lower rank) and I think some rando extras no one cares about do
>>721111734
the asari are based on the green alien chicks in star trek

>>721111262
kaidan is my biotic guy and has had significant time and money invested into making him a space wizard, ashley is a grunt retard and utterly disposable

>>721111795
The green alien chicks in Star Trek are based on Jackie Chan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0kdm7fg804
it was a simpler time

>>721112148
geoff was the truth, sticking up for gamers in a time when no one else in mainstream media would. /v/ clowns on him now but he'll always have my respect.

>>721114603
>>721112148
>dewrito pope