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Anonymous No.721124696 [Report] >>721125283 >>721126264 >>721126350 >>721127197 >>721127274 >>721128293 >>721130341 >>721133172 >>721136194 >>721139418 >>721139906 >>721142007 >>721146057 >>721150994 >>721152118
Dungeon Crawlers
Are you sape enough to enjoy games like wizardry VII or Grimoire \v\?

I'm getting filtered by character generation how do you even know what races & classes mesh well,can fairys make good warriors,can I create rat clerics?
Anonymous No.721125075 [Report] >>721126171 >>721137358 >>721138365 >>721142683 >>721143909
I can stomach the lack of handholding and the ball-crushing difficulty and the esoteric puzzles and secrets, what I can't handle is the shitty UIs.
Anonymous No.721125283 [Report]
>>721124696 (OP)
Nah I get filtered by having to move multiple toy soldiers.
Anonymous No.721126171 [Report] >>721126350 >>721137358 >>721153034
>>721125075
The UI aren't too bad once you do get used to em,the real trouble is stats

>what's faith & destiny when both wisdom & intelligence exist
Anonymous No.721126264 [Report] >>721137164 >>721142775
>>721124696 (OP)
I haven't gotten to Wiz 7 yet but I loved 1-3 and 5.
Anonymous No.721126350 [Report]
>>721124696 (OP)
>>721126171
I have a lot of difficulty playing these games because I just know that half the stats/races/classes/whatevers are going to be dogshit traps.
Anonymous No.721126425 [Report]
ultimate 6 blob composition?
Anonymous No.721127197 [Report] >>721127319 >>721127780 >>721133101 >>721145496 >>721146469
>>721124696 (OP)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3301820/Class_of_Heroes_3_Remaster/
it is out
Anonymous No.721127274 [Report]
>>721124696 (OP)
gwimuah.
Anonymous No.721127319 [Report] >>721127952 >>721128737
>>721127197
I lose all interest in this series when I found out it had procedural maps.
Anonymous No.721127780 [Report]
>>721127197
>steam

It wouldn't be the same if it's not on the PSP Go anon
Anonymous No.721127952 [Report]
>>721127319
I did too, the second I read your post.
Anonymous No.721128293 [Report] >>721130014
>>721124696 (OP)
I remember bard being very fucking strong in this game to the point that it trivialized everything. That's all that I remember about Grimoire lol. I played it the day that it released and I remember reading the RPG codex megathread about it for build tips. I never beat it because I got stuck in a pyramid with no way out and there were no tips about it on the codex at the time. If you asked Cleve for help, he'd tell you to stop being such a dummy and search more.
Anonymous No.721128737 [Report] >>721133280
>>721127319
2 and 3 don't have randomly generated dungeons. That said, even then they aren't very good games.
Anonymous No.721130014 [Report]
>>721128293
I wonder if he's still working on that 3D game?
Anonymous No.721130341 [Report] >>721130742
>>721124696 (OP)
FUCK DUNGEON CRAWLERS!
GIVE ME DUNGEON BRAWLERS!!
Anonymous No.721130742 [Report] >>721131832
>>721130341
So, Fight Knight?
Anonymous No.721131832 [Report] >>721146373
>>721130742
I should play that again, it was a great game.
Anonymous No.721132453 [Report] >>721132725 >>721133058 >>721133294
What's a mainstream dungeon crawler
Anonymous No.721132725 [Report]
>>721132453
pic-related would be a good start
aceman !!oXu3OLVH0EG No.721132984 [Report]
The only old school western dungeon crawler I've ever finished was the first lands of lore, I liked it. Probably because it was simple enough for even a pleb like me to beat
Anonymous No.721133058 [Report]
>>721132453
Legend of grimrock, EO, wizardry are the most well known though I'm not sure I\d call them mainstream.
Anonymous No.721133101 [Report] >>721133186
>>721127197
Do I have to play the previous games before this one?
Anonymous No.721133172 [Report] >>721133905 >>721146494
>>721124696 (OP)
I can't play any games that don't have cute anime portraits.
Unironically. I just find them boring and don't get invested.
If I can add my own portraits that's a different story, but otherwise I don't bother anymore.
Anonymous No.721133186 [Report]
>>721133101
nop
Anonymous No.721133280 [Report] >>721134040
>>721128737
What's bad about them? I was thinking of grabbing 3 when it goes on sale in the future.
Anonymous No.721133294 [Report]
>>721132453
the wizardry gacha is pretty good
Anonymous No.721133905 [Report] >>721134089
>>721133172
Try the dark spire it's an original inspired by eleimage & wizardry
Anonymous No.721134040 [Report]
>>721133280
I'm pretty far into 3, the main issue of that one is that not a ton of thought went into the campaign. First dungeon, enemies are piss easy, boss is hard, makes sense. Second dungeon, enemies get astronomically harder, the boss isn't so bad but you can randomly get into a fight where you're up against 5-10 monsters that can do 50-100% HP damage to any character in your party. Then by the third, you're getting raped, the boss has a partywide attack that hits for 200 damage that you pray he doesn't use because it'll kill half your party. Then it just dries up. They repeat the same enemies for a long time, and even late game, you're fighting piss weak enemies you fought ages ago, not even stronger recolors. Then after a long time, enemies finally start getting harder, they introduce more stuff, but it's still not very hard. But you sort of need to fight as you go, because the bosses can still do a lot of damage and you want gear and HP and class exp. To be fair you can run from a lot of fights at this point and I wouldn't call it grindy, it's just too easy.

Besides that, the classes aren't that interesting. Anyone with magic can be okay, they get a decent number of options. Physical only classes tend to suffer, they're basically a ball of passives with 2-3 attacks, and almost all of those attacks require a charge turn where they sit and do nothing. I have no issue with charging for moves, but this game takes it overboard for physical classes. Even the thief has to charge before being able to steal money, it's ridiculous.
Anonymous No.721134089 [Report] >>721134656
>>721133905
I actually own a physical copy of that. I should go find it.
Anonymous No.721134207 [Report] >>721134696
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1131920/LABYRINTH_OF_TOUHOU__GENSOKYO_AND_THE_HEAVENPIERCING_TREE/
Consider this one, pirate it even.
The special abilities are interesting and 12 character parties turn the characters themselves into resources to be managed, especially on bosses.
Anonymous No.721134656 [Report] >>721134848
>>721134089
What's the third best english-translated dungeon crawler on vita (after dt2 and soscr)?
Anonymous No.721134696 [Report] >>721135085
>>721134207
>12

How do you even gear that many PCs?
Anonymous No.721134848 [Report]
>>721134656
DT2-2
Anonymous No.721135085 [Report] >>721136193
>>721134696
It's all "Accessories" basically, no weapons/armor.
Theres one main slot where you can equip base stat modifying gear, and 3 accessories which do all sorts of buffs.
The gear is all fully interchangable no matter what build, so its mostly up to you to not put irrelevant gear on people. There's plenty of duplicates but the rare stuff you still want to put on your best frontliners.
Anonymous No.721136193 [Report]
>>721135085
Ah that does make things much more manageable then thanks anon
Anonymous No.721136194 [Report] >>721136918
>>721124696 (OP)
Played MM6 and MM7. They had a turn based mode but I always played in real time.
It let me do shit like slide past high level mobs to get the loot or juke ranged attacks by zigzagging.
Anonymous No.721136310 [Report] >>721136515
Japanese dungeon crawler rpgs have too much time wasting grind and the exploration isn't interesting
Anonymous No.721136515 [Report]
>>721136310
Good thing the OP isn't japanese then anon it's absolutely 75% you're western meets east sci-fi

https://youtu.be/dCpPEwXMPpQ?si=jXucu4SsULgBuncd
Anonymous No.721136918 [Report] >>721136993 >>721137263
>>721136194
Do those games even count as dungeon crawlers? They always felt more like open world RPGs to me.
Anonymous No.721136993 [Report]
>>721136918
They have dungeons and you spend you still have a blob party, they count in my eyes
Anonymous No.721137164 [Report]
>>721126264
What about... 4?
Anonymous No.721137263 [Report]
>>721136918
The 3d might and magic games or the series in general?
As someone who played the 3d games yeah there is a lot of overworld exploration.
Anonymous No.721137358 [Report] >>721137684
>>721125075
>>721126171
both of these things are problems I have with the genre.
I play so many of the games and love them, but the UI's of 90% are awful and there are so many bait stats and trap classes its kind of unreal
Anonymous No.721137581 [Report]
Anonymous No.721137584 [Report] >>721137806 >>721138208
is this good?
Experience games are the exact type of Dungeonslop i like, and google says it's the port of a remake of a game they made.
Anonymous No.721137684 [Report] >>721141626
>>721137358
>and there are so many bait stats and trap classes its kind of unreal
That's just how it was back then, not defending it mind you, it was just from a time when if you had a bad build you were boned
Anonymous No.721137806 [Report]
>>721137584
It's solidly in the middle
Get it pretty cheaply (or free) and it's worth it.
Anonymous No.721137808 [Report] >>721137841
What makes a good dungeon crawler.
Anonymous No.721137841 [Report]
>>721137808
dungeons that you can crawl on.
Anonymous No.721138208 [Report] >>721139905
>>721137584
In a genre that often has bad UIs, Operation Abyss has one of the worst.
Anonymous No.721138365 [Report]
>>721125075
We gotta sape here
Anonymous No.721138436 [Report] >>721138750 >>721138991 >>721139501
Any RPG with more than 5 playable characters is too tedious
Anonymous No.721138750 [Report]
>>721138436
1, 3, 4, 5, and 6 are all good. 2 and 7+ are shit.
Anonymous No.721138991 [Report] >>721139142
>>721138436
anon that's literally half of them m8
Anonymous No.721139127 [Report] >>721139309
I can handle odd character building and punishing game mechanics that force quicksaves every 5 minutes but the number one thing preventing me from enjoying classic dungeon crawlers is the fact that almost all the good ones shit the bed when you tab out and don't play well with modern resolutions or even 1920x1080
Anonymous No.721139142 [Report]
>>721138991
What? Most of the ones I've played have 1 or 4. I only said 5 to include Etrian Odyssey cause EO4 is one of my favorites
aceman !!oXu3OLVH0EG No.721139309 [Report]
>>721139127
>but the number one thing preventing me from enjoying classic dungeon crawlers is the fact that almost all the good ones shit the bed when you tab out and don't play well with modern resolutions or even 1920x1080
Well most of them are either from the MS-Dos era are early windows (like mid 90s to 2000s)

I do understand the complaint though, technical issues are always a pain to deal with
Anonymous No.721139371 [Report] >>721139619 >>721139730 >>721140350
Why did the OG dungeon crawlers lack Maps anyway? Was a memory issue or something?
Anonymous No.721139418 [Report]
>>721124696 (OP)
Someone posted a curator list the other day. Post it again. I missed it.
Anonymous No.721139501 [Report] >>721139753 >>721149183 >>721153453
>>721138436
TWELVE
NIGGAS
IN 3 ROWS
aceman !!oXu3OLVH0EG No.721139619 [Report]
>>721139371
Originally it was just to save space, back when things were more limited you had to decide what to leave out and in game maps were that, you were expected to bust out that graph paper and pencil and manually draw it out, over time maps were eventually introduced into dungeon crawlers although you were still expected to use a pen and paper for notes and such
Anonymous No.721139730 [Report]
>>721139371
No idea. Whatever the reason lead to the game built around making your own maps. It's why The Bard's Tale Remaster is so strange. It has a full auto map and auto note feature but it makes some traps and spells redundant. They did try to mitigate it a little bit, like without the compass spell the automap will rotate with you which can be confusing.
Anonymous No.721139753 [Report]
>>721139501
We columns now.
Anonymous No.721139905 [Report]
>>721138208
you have no idea how bad this would trigger me
Anonymous No.721139906 [Report] >>721140654 >>721142798
>>721124696 (OP)
Is Grimoire even good?
Anonymous No.721140350 [Report]
>>721139371
Not at all anon they literally intended you to get out the old pen and paper to draw your own handcrafted map yourself for maximum immersion with your created adventures
Anonymous No.721140654 [Report]
>>721139906
It's great but only if you enjoyed old school wizardry games there's a ton of jank mechanics that don't click at first then once you start getting used to how the game throw towards you it's 10/10
Anonymous No.721141626 [Report]
>>721137684
I understand it in older games, but a lot of newer games seem to also have very poor balance.
some classes just being straight up weaker or having effects that are incredibly specific and pretty much require certain other classes to enable them (which you cannot know at the start of the game).
and that is before you get to games that pretty much require certain classes for certain parts of the game and you just cannot know
Anonymous No.721141834 [Report]
Anon why don't you make a sick Dungeon Crawler?
Anonymous No.721141948 [Report] >>721142078
The only good part about Wizardy Daphne is anime girls look dirty and covered in dust after dungeon crawling. That shit makes me rock hard.
Anonymous No.721142007 [Report]
>>721124696 (OP)
whats a good crawler that lets make a party filled with evil hags
aceman !!oXu3OLVH0EG No.721142078 [Report] >>721145657
>>721141948
Anonymous No.721142618 [Report]
I wanted to play Wasteland 1 but the character creation seems real high stakes, and I don't have time to waste learning what skills are necessary through trial-and-error.
Anonymous No.721142683 [Report] >>721143335 >>721145731
>>721125075
>and the esoteric puzzles
how esoteric we talking here?
Anonymous No.721142775 [Report]
>>721126264
I can't fathom liking Wizardry 2 or 3.

Finding out that those "games" were literally just map packs for your max-level characters to romp around in was disillusioning. An RPG without character progression is not what I'm looking for, to say the least.

This goes for a lot of "import your character or hit yourself in the balls for 20 hours" RPG sequels of that era. Bards Tale, the later Gold Box games.
Anonymous No.721142798 [Report] >>721143167
>>721139906
Mechanically it's a mess, the UI is a functional disaster, but it has an interesting world and decent writing.
Anonymous No.721143167 [Report]
>>721142798
>irregardless
My caveman knees... they're faltering...
Anonymous No.721143335 [Report] >>721143519 >>721143596
>>721142683
>not actually logic puzzles but instead veiled references to American sports and random movies
I don't feel bad at all about looking those up, fuck those guys.
Anonymous No.721143519 [Report]
>>721143335
>>not actually logic puzzles but instead veiled references to American sports and random movies
Not a dungeon crawler, but reminds me of a quest in Fallout 2 where the only way to tell a guy that they sold him a human liver is by very openly referencing an 80s movie where a character eats a human liver, which neither you nor the other character would realistically know even exists.
Anonymous No.721143596 [Report] >>721143653
>>721143335
>Solution to a puzzle is an answer that's completely nonsensical unless you were either a psychic, the actual devs or just plain luck
Anonymous No.721143653 [Report]
>>721143596
>solution is a joke from a 70s japanese comedy skit
Anonymous No.721143909 [Report]
>>721125075
those dungeon crawlers that are completely mouse driven fucking suck so much
Anonymous No.721144023 [Report] >>721144212
for me it's japs porting old dungeon crawlers to their own systems and adding sick music to them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oenoAldss48
Anonymous No.721144212 [Report] >>721144285 >>721144318 >>721144775 >>721145157
>>721144023
Why are Japs so obsessed with Wizardy?
They based a whole section of their videogame output on just making Wizardry-likes, and any vame that isn't directly inspired by it is instead indirectly inspired because the creator played it for 120 hours when they were a kid.
Anonymous No.721144285 [Report]
>>721144212
the weirdest thing is that it's all based on a game that was inspired by wizardry but ultimately played WAY simpler
Anonymous No.721144318 [Report]
>>721144212
It hit them the same year that Dungeons and Dragons did
Anonymous No.721144775 [Report] >>721144987
>>721144212
Why are western indies so obsessed with 2D platformers? It's just a product of its time, it got popular and people who played it made lots of knock-offs
Anonymous No.721144934 [Report] >>721148197
This mobile game that I downloaded for zero dollars, ad free, is the only roguelike I've played in ages that's anything like Rogue. And I can't fucking beat it it's hard as shit.
Anonymous No.721144987 [Report]
>>721144775
>Why are western indies so obsessed with 2D platformers?
Undiagnosed Autism.
Anonymous No.721145157 [Report]
>>721144212
The 70s and 80s were the perfect storm for nerd culture to take root in both Japan and the West.
Western culture is more extroverted, so it naturally gravitated to social beer-and-pretzel games like D&D.
Meanwhile Japanese culture is more introverted (especially back then), so it naturally gravitated towards video games, and Wizardry happened to be at the right place at the right time in an era where video games were relatively new.

Those nerds grew up and went on to make video games, using their respective cultural keystones as the template. And it snowballed to this day, because modern games are built off their predecessors, which in turn are built off either D&D or Wizardry.
It's why most Western RPGs focus on roleplaying, dialogue, and narrative, just like D&D.
And why most JRPGs focus on crunch and combat with only top-level roleplaying, just like Wizardry.
Anonymous No.721145496 [Report]
>>721127197
I would play Class of Heroes Untold. I'm a casual, I need a story to motivate me to get to the next floor and the lack of one killed this game for me.
Anonymous No.721145657 [Report] >>721146021
>>721142078
gacha negroes get out, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Anonymous No.721145731 [Report] >>721150361
>>721142683
>Not only does the music suck, the puzzles suck too
What a disaster of a game.
I'd like to submit the following for context
https://youtu.be/QtjbJ48y-js
Anonymous No.721146021 [Report]
>>721145657
Elise pits.
Anonymous No.721146057 [Report] >>721146094 >>721146317 >>721146410 >>721158717
>>721124696 (OP)
I tried Wizardry VI recently and god that was ugly
Why the hell did they splatter green everywhere like that?
Anonymous No.721146094 [Report] >>721146229
>>721146057
EGA palettes

at least the SNES port is super enhanced
Anonymous No.721146229 [Report]
>>721146094
Even with a limited palette they didn't need to put green everywhere. Picrel isn't the most flagrant but look at Ola's portrait it makes no sense.
Anonymous No.721146317 [Report] >>721146675
>>721146057
>bolek
>lolek
>boniface
Anonymous No.721146373 [Report] >>721146684
>>721131832
>t.supports mindrapist
be better
Anonymous No.721146410 [Report]
>>721146057
I always thought Wizardry looked like dogshit compared to Might and Magic. Compare Might and Magic 3 with Wizardry 6. They both were released around the same time.
Anonymous No.721146425 [Report]
I beat Daggerfall this month I think I pass muster
Anonymous No.721146469 [Report] >>721146716
>>721127197
>dwarf
That's a grudgin'.
Anonymous No.721146494 [Report]
>>721133172
Man fuck OA I took a break and had no idea what the fuck I was doing. The last thing I remember was getting warped to a Train and losing my powers, then going to a Graveyard or Courtyard with triggers and didn't know wtf was going on. Game is too cryptic and there were no guides or community at the time.
Anonymous No.721146675 [Report] >>721146870
>>721146317
I know what you are.
Anonymous No.721146684 [Report]
>>721146373
Don't make me summon the crows again
Anonymous No.721146716 [Report]
>>721146469
It's just a full-body beard.
Anonymous No.721146823 [Report]
>had to drop Lands of Lore because I accidentally locked myself in a room full of highlevel endlessly respawning enemies with my last save being hours ago
Anonymous No.721146870 [Report]
>>721146675
Just an enjoyer of eastern bloc animation getting a whiplash of child nostalgia
Anonymous No.721147981 [Report] >>721148037 >>721148053
gimme dungeon crawlers with good puzzles. i wanna be stumped on a door asking me what the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow is
Anonymous No.721148037 [Report] >>721148143
>>721147981
obvious Grimrocks
Anonymous No.721148053 [Report] >>721148201
>>721147981
The Elder Scrolls Arena, tons of weird riddles
Anonymous No.721148143 [Report]
>>721148037
played the shit out of those and its autistically massive custom map trio
Anonymous No.721148197 [Report]
>>721144934
its easy as shit nowadays
just play ranger and open up doors from far away by throwing food then kite enemies
Anonymous No.721148201 [Report] >>721148242
>>721148053
ill look into this one. feels like theres a drought of dungeon crawlers in the last decade
Anonymous No.721148242 [Report]
>>721148201
not really, they're just went full indie and this board refuses to discuss anything without anime girl in it
Anonymous No.721149183 [Report] >>721158000
>>721139501
Only twelve? Gotta pump those numbers up! Those are rookie numbers!
Anonymous No.721150361 [Report]
>>721145731
I liked it.
Anonymous No.721150994 [Report]
>>721124696 (OP)
WHERE'S MY MOD-TAN PORN?!
IT BEEN YEARS
FUCKING SAPES
Anonymous No.721152118 [Report] >>721152185 >>721154941 >>721159520
>>721124696 (OP)
The guy who wrote that game ia schizophrenic
Anonymous No.721152185 [Report] >>721152316
>>721152118
Proofs?
Anonymous No.721152316 [Report]
>>721152185
he made grimore
Anonymous No.721153034 [Report]
>>721126171
If we're going on wizardry logic, Faith and Destiny are the Preist magic versions of Wisdom and Intelligence.
Anonymous No.721153453 [Report]
>>721139501
That's just 1 row of 4 niggas, with 8 niggas in reserve!
Anonymous No.721154941 [Report] >>721156929
>>721152118
He's obviously trolling/exaggerating in most of his online posts. You're not supposed to take him very seriously.
Anonymous No.721156903 [Report]
Any good crawlan released in the past few years?
Anonymous No.721156929 [Report] >>721158305 >>721159825
>>721154941
Except he was 100% telling the truth when it came to Stones of Arnhem.
Anonymous No.721158000 [Report]
>>721149183
On the easy side, but marching an army through the dungeon to Unga bunga club everything to death felt great.
Anonymous No.721158120 [Report] >>721158484
Smt is a crawler right
Anonymous No.721158305 [Report]
>>721156929
in some cases exaggerated but truthful, he himself said as much
Anonymous No.721158484 [Report]
>>721158120
Persona?
Anonymous No.721158717 [Report]
>>721146057
>ugly

Get your eye tested anon,these sprites looked great!
Anonymous No.721159520 [Report] >>721159695
>>721152118
Huh qrd?
Anonymous No.721159695 [Report] >>721160213
>>721159520
>Doesn't know about Cleve's antics
Pure sape attitude.
Anonymous No.721159825 [Report]
>>721156929
Yeah like the other guy said, he exaggerated a lot of that even though the really nasty parts like the child abuse and degeneracy was real. Instead of having to "wade through a room filled with waist deep dildos and ass-pounder devices," it was really just a few dildos and buttplugs he saw on a dresser lmfao.
Anonymous No.721160213 [Report]
>>721159695
I think it's hilarious that pathfinder kingmaker has a bunch of references to the Stones of Arnhem saga because the codex paid owlcat to put that quest in.