Thread 721153334

Game's on sale.

Should I buy it? I heard it's a pretty unusual JRPG

>>721153334 (OP)
Game is great.

>>721153641
I've heard people say this but I've also heard you can permanently miss out on a lot of shit in this game if you're going in blind.

Would you reccomend playing with a guide for my first playthrough or just go in blind?

>>721153334 (OP)
>>721153827
>I've heard people say this but I've also heard you can permanently miss out on a lot of shit in this game if you're going in blind.
Standard Saga game, yes
>Would you reccomend playing with a guide for my first playthrough or just go in blind?
You probably should go in blind, unless you're only playing to play one playthrough

>>721153827
I went in blind, I don’t think I missed a lot

>>721153827
I'd so go in blind, and just be okay with missing some things. There's a couple questlines that can't be completed if you do them wrong or wait too long. But you'll manage to get through fine.

>>721153334 (OP)
It's very good. great combat

>>721153942
I will say that getting locked out of finishing Cumberland was really annoying. Don't know if they changed it in the remake, but it was possible to make it so you could never enter the castle and finish it if you let generations pass at the wrong time in the SNES one. So I could never claim it.

Missing the mermaid one sucked too, but that was just a matter of not doing it early enough. The Cumberland one was annoying because it just inexplicably wouldn't let me do more with it.

>>721153334 (OP)
It's a great game. They removed and changed things from the original, but to someone unfamiliar with that one it really doesn't matter.

>>721154276
don't. you'll summon the autist.

>>721153334 (OP)
It's pretty funny that Saga is a series that's gotten the most love from Square

>>721154381
Direct creator involvement. He was also fine working on shoestring budget for modern games. SaGa is also way more popular in Japan than worldwide, too.

>>721154457
those any good?

>>721154589
Left is really good, pretty old at this point tho

>>721153334 (OP)
Romancing SaGa 2 and SaGa Frontier 2 are my fav games in the series. Get it. And don't use any guide.
>but anon, will I miss anything
Probably. But that's why you have NG+

>>721153334 (OP)
yes it's great

>>721154589
I'm not sure I'd like Emerald Beyond from what I've seen. Seems focused on battles over everything else. Part of what I loved about SaGa games was going around exploring and collecting new characters.

>>721154589
They're not ROMANCING games. In a sense they focus more on combat.

>>721153334 (OP)
>what was that took? you fought too many battles?
>DIE, MOTHERFUCKER

>>721154276
is the remaster a good in-between or should you just go for the remake?

>>721154843
remaster does away with some annoyances from the original and adds two new classes/dungeon, but it's largely the same game.

>>721154723
Personally I love Emerald Beyond, it's battle system is top tier. Exploration is a bit different than your standard JRPG, it's been hybridized with visual novel aspects and streamlined.
I see it as something that respects your time, because it cuts out a lot of the "pointless" parts of JRPGs like blindly exploring a huge map and getting lost. You literally cannot get lost in this game, because there are threads that guide you along and present you with choices and paths to take. Lots of different things can happen depending on your actions, and it's meant to be replayed.
You will still collect many new characters, and the story is very campy and fun. If you enjoyed SaGa Frontier, then I think you will appreciate this game, as it is a return to form with the mix of sci-fi and fantasy elements.

>>721153334 (OP)
it is very good and a bit leaning on the harder side if you're going blind, btw you can pirate it first before you buy it

>>721155092
>btw you can pirate it first before you buy it
Or just try the demo.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2455640/Romancing_SaGa_2_Revenge_of_the_Seven/

>>721155025
>it cuts out a lot of the "pointless" parts of JRPGs like blindly exploring a huge map and getting lost. You literally cannot get lost in this game, because there are threads that guide you along and present you with choices and paths to take
That's the thing I'm worried about though, I love those parts of JRPGs.
>Lots of different things can happen depending on your actions, and it's meant to be replayed. You will still collect many new characters, and the story is very campy and fun.
Sounds good at least.
> If you enjoyed SaGa Frontier, then I think you will appreciate this game, as it is a return to form with the mix of sci-fi and fantasy elements.
I did like that side of it. SaGa Frontier is my favorite in the series.

I'll give it a shot sometime. I'll admit I've seen very little of the game yet. I watched a friend start one of the stories and play for a couple hours and that's it.

It’s good but it’s also ugly as fuck why is everything so fucking blurry
>disable motion blur and enable TAA bro
Great, now everything is blurry and has ghosting

>>721155170
You can still get lost in the trading system
It's not quite like being lost in a world
But you will be lost

Okay I think I'll try out the demo and see if I like it.

Before I go in, does any veteran have any non-spoilery tips to kepe in mind?

>>721154786
Guanyin is hella broken when used on United Attack. Ninjas being proficient on Martial Arts and having high speed stats makes them a perfect unit for spamming Guanyin.

>>721155520
Do not grind.

>>721155692
Yeah I heard there's some weird mechanic about battle amounts fucking you over if you do too many of them.

Generally I don't grind in JRPGs so I'll probably be fine?

>>721153334 (OP)
I like the original better. the remake is okay but obsesses too hard over game balance.

>>721155520
Difficult to be non-spoilery, but finale begins when you deal with all the seven heroes and final emperor becomes controllable. What I'm trying to say is don't rush as you get effectively unlimited number of emperors until then to explore the world and resolve various events.

>>721155783
he's trolling. you can and should grind in RS2.

>>721155784
People hate this approach, but I prefer the original's obtuseness because it lets you explore and figure out things on your own. Nowadays everyone just rushes to the wiki.

>>721153334 (OP)
First time playing SaGa? I reccomend starting with Romancing Saga 3 or Saga Frontier first since those are the most beginner friendly titles. The image you posted is a remake of the original Romancing Saga 2 which I would recommend playing before trying the remake.

>>721155520
characters are expendable and only your chosen emperor really matters. if they die just recruit new ones. also, even characters from the same class are different in terms of weapon skills and affinities.

>>721155520
Look around Fireplaces. They tend to have hidden passeges.
Rotate your team members. Class ability will be unlocked after 30 and can be equipped to other class once you unlocked that feature and after another 30 battles. Don't just use the same team members, use the others that you unlock as you go through the game.
>>721155692
This. Its not as punishing as other SaGa game but do note enemy strength scales based on your battles fought. Its fine to fight enemies as you go but once you find no reason to engage with them like having little TP gains, avoid them as much as you can.
If you're after a rare item, I suggest wait until you have that accessory that increases your drop rate but you probably need a guide if you're after a specific item anyway.

>>721156065
>if they die just recruit new ones
So they can permadie? Is it a pain in the ass to retrain characters?

>>721153827
You always play SaGa blind. If you don't play blind you will miss something fundamental that you'll never get back.

>>721155956
it was clear the game was designed to be immersive. there isnt much of a HUD in the battle screen so you can focus on the visuals. the remake is an antithesis of this with its constant barrage of data in the form health bars and weaknesses and the timeline. it's a different game and an one that is less appealing, for me at least.

>>721154589
Both have phenomenal combat for different reasons. I enjoy Scarlet Grace's more because using counter attacks is so potent in it, along with any modifiers that make enemies target certain people. Emerald Beyond can be hype with constant combos or squeezing out a victory with a show stopper (your character combos with themselves).

>>721156228
Subier can go fuck himself.

>>721156481
Tsunami.

>>721153827
Playing saga games blind is the best way, youl understand when you play it but dont think of it as "missing out" on content, its more like the choices you make create a unique version of the story for you. Follow your gut and have fun. Its one of the best RPGs of all time.

>>721156481
bring a mermaid for maximum cheese

>>721157239
Did they keep the ending slides in the remake? I think RS2 of all the Romancing SaGa is probably the most out there in what it tried and did.

>>721157387
was there ever a real successor? you know, playing a jrpg that's also kingdom management with something close to generational gameplay?

>>721157665
Ni No Kuni 2 I guess? No genertional change though.

>>721157387
>ending slides?
Am i retarded for not knowing what this refers to?

>>721157776
you basically get a map location and text saying what happened to it based on how you handled quests and events. not sure if that's in the remake.

>>721158109
Oh yeah, it does that

>>721154175
>I will say that getting locked out of finishing Cumberland was really annoying. Don't know if they changed it in the remake, but it was possible to make it so you could never enter the castle and finish it if you let generations pass at the wrong time in the SNES one. So I could never claim it.
everyone usually learns the hard way if you start a scenario you should see it through within that generation

>>721158468
if you leave cumberland early then bad stuff happens, but you can still conquer the territory in a later generation
if you do most of the cumberland stuff but leave before capturing cyfreet's castle you can never conquer cumberland; the crusaders will deal with cyfreet on their own

>>721153334 (OP)
I don't like it. Any RPG that punishes you for playing the game too much is a trash game.

>>721153334 (OP)
I was shocked just how much fun I had with this. The perfect combo of familiar and innovative. It’s not massive and sprawling, but the world is densely packed with places to go and things to do.

How easy is it to softlock yourself in this? I'm interested in trying it but in all honesty I'm not the best at turn based games and I've heard this is pretty high up there as far as difficulty goes.

>>721153334 (OP)
Yeah. Go ahead. I fucking love this game.

>>721163394
I don't think you can softlock yourself in Rot7, unless I'm very much mistaken.

>>721163579
Don't you only have a limited amount of time to prepare before you need to fight the heroes? Couldn't you get to fighting them and not have enough to defeat them?

>>721154381
What love?
They didn't give the series any money for decades outside of this demake that was also taken away from Kawazu and butchered beyond recognition for a quick buck with casuals that to no one's surprise ultimately didn't end up becoming stable customer.
The series only stays good because Kawazu's stubborn and talented enough to make good games under extreme limitations but its also cursed to never achieve its full potential.

>>721163767
>demake
Retard. Why do you even think you retards who hate LITERALLY EVERY REMAKE are worth listening to? I didn't even read the rest of your post after that. Kill yourself you miserable cunt.

>>721155138
Does demo progress carry over if I buy the game?

>>721153334 (OP)
Don't ever pay more than 1 dollar for a square enix game, your time would be better spent on literally anything else.

>>721163834
>implying implications
Minstrel Song was great, the DS remakes were great, the remasters started a bit iffy but quickly turned great, RS2R is a mistake.

>>721163834
>weakness spam unified attack bar slop is actually good
>no, I havent played any other SaGa games, they suck!

>>721163749
RS2 doesn't have time limits, only Minstrel Song works like that.
In theory there is a forced timeskip calculation function for a generation shift that involves fighting an ungodly number of fights, as in 200+ in a single generation, but you'll never run into this unless you purposedly know about it and force it.
You have more than enough time to beat all the heroes at your own leisure, especially in the remake where you're also given a lot of incredibly strong stuff for free and even easier ways to cheese the much simplified system.

>>721164917
So as long as you don't do a shit ton of fights in a single generation you can in theory spend as much time as you want doing everything with a generation?

>>721153827
>>721155520
To go into more details without too much spoilers, the series has tons of hidden mechanics that isn't explained in game or any manual. Despite how simple the series looks, if you tried to looked up even a fraction of these game's mechanics, you'll be looking at 10-15 tabs open. It sounds overwhelming at first but the idea is that you can play blind, finish these games, then pick them up later and the gameplay, and even story, will always feel different each time you play because you can always go about things differently every playthrough.

So its not one of those "beat the game and unlock a bunch of extra content" kind of thing. Trust me, you do not want to be a collect everything fag in these game. You'll be looking at so many charts and stats that its just not worth it or at least on a first playthrough. There are however some mechanics you could stand to learn but I'm not sure if the remake added any QoL features or explanations so I'll just leave it at there.

>>721165509
No, the way this game works is that there's a hidden counter with a specific score threshold that triggers a generation shift.
There's two (actually three) things that give you points in said score:
>Fights
>Completing quests
Fights give very low points towards this score and are more of a subsystem that anything, the real meat of your score comes from completing questlines, which each quest having its own number of points, some quests give more points than others, some quests also have a forced generation shift or have certain routes that force an abdication of your current emperor.
So in theory you can't quite stay in a single generation indefinitely until the very last one, but as long as you do not raise quest completion flags you're not awarded those aforementioned points for triggering a new generation and can still dawdle around a bit, some sequence breaks involve deliberately not reporting to certain NPCs after you beat some dungeons or bosses so you don't raise the completion flags and don't get the points that would trigger a generation shift.

>>721153334 (OP)
Despite it doing some things to the combat that ends up making it less fun than the original somehow, it's a good game. It just feels very antiquated at this point since the newer games in the series handles the combat and the "choices matter" part in more interesting ways.

>>721166410
So you're unlikely to be able to finish every quest?

>>721153334 (OP)
amazing game that thoroughly blew my expectations away
I highly recommend it

>>721153334 (OP)
It's kinda disappointing and was really held back by being on switch hardware.

>>721166751
Not at all, you can finish all quests in a single run although it's likely you'll fail a couple of those in your first run.
What you can't do is seeing all possible quest routes in one run and a lot of quests have mutually exclusive choices as well, so if you want to see everything you have to replay the game quite a few times because nearly all quests have multiple routes including failure states, though this is all SaGa games outside of the gameboy ones.

>>721167426
That sounds fine. Thanks for the answers anon I'm going to pick this up tomorrow since I've got next week off from work and I want something new to play.

>>721154589
These two are the actual best games in the series and it'll take some years before people can realize it.