Thread 723040953

WHERE IN THE GODDAMN FUCK IS IT

dude it's over, time to let go

Maybe next year for the 25th anniversary.

>>723040953 (OP)
Hopefully never because SoJ, as well as the "Apollo Justice" trilogy as a whole, was fucking garbage

I stopped waiting 4 years ago

nobody at capcom wants to make it

Does Manfred have an equivalent to Edgeworth's bow and Franziska's curtsy?

>>723043045
The snap, I guess.

writing is hard

>>723043045
>>723043450
The finger wag you FUCK
Edgeworth even copies it for some time

The Great Ace Attorney 2 was extremely good but I assume it was a freak accident because 1 was complete shit, and every other game after Investigations 2 was bad. RIP Ace Attorney

>>723041745
Truly the ends justified the memes...

Is this good?
I liked playing GAA on PC so I thought I'd finally get to these games but I don't know if I should just emulate instead.

>>723044603
it's hot trash

>>723044603
Apollo Justice (first game of the trilogy) is pretty good but the rest are a big step down

>>723044603
You'll hate Apollo Justice, and whether or not you hated it for going too far or not far enough will determine how you feel about the other two

I’m more interested in whatever Shu Takumi is making next. Ace Attorney or otherwise.

>>723044603
Dual Destinies is the black sheep of the series. Apollo Justice and Spirit of Justice are fine. I'm personally quite fond of SoJ.

>>723044603
AJ and DD are mixed bags
SoJ is dogshit

>>723040953 (OP)
It's going to be super woke and even gayer than the previous games. Are you sure you want that?

>>723048315
Finally, someone besides me likes SoJ.
I think the Athena case is a waste of time, but otherwise I think it's a good game, and I love the DLC.

Just play AAlikes instead.

>>723048315
>>723048635
Me three.

Give it a try

>>723048635
It's easily the best of the second trilogy. Though that's not saying a whole lot.

>>723048635
>>723049004
Rayfa was great. This series needs more tsunderes.

>>723044603
The first game was good. The second game was terrible. I've heard the third game was fine, but I haven't played it.

>>723049103
I think it's stronger than AA2.

>>723049474
I think you need a paddling

I'm actually insane and liked 4 but 5 and 6 are garbage. Best thing to do at this point would be to just reboot the series with a new sequel to 3 with Phoenix and Maya like before and pretend the second trilogy never happened.

SoJ's biggest failing is focusing too much on the political plot. Van Dine #19 warns about this: The motives for all crimes in detective stories should be personal. International plottings and war politics belong in a different category of fiction. The civil war business should have been a minor background event instead of the climax of the story.

>>723049674
I disagree. I think continuing the story with SoJ's writers is perfectly fine. Capcom just needs to let them change the status quo instead of keeping everyone as 40 year old virgins. I suspect all the bad writing decisions came about due to publisher mandates.

>>723049718
>unironically citing fucking van dine rules
Actual brainlet.

>>723049674
They need to actually commit to a new protagonist with little to no interference from a returning one. Phoenix had his arc and a satisfying end to it. Apollo had an attempt at one, that he had to share with Phoenix and later Athena. Either they go all the way with Athena to some extent going forward till hers is done, or just go with an entirely new cast.

>>723049772
This is pretty much why Yamazaki left, corporate mandates from the producers forced them to never spoil a previous game so it's near impossible to give characters actual natural development.

>>723040953 (OP)
DOO DOO DOOT DOOT DOO, DOO DOO DOO DOO EEEOOO

>>723049718
But what if the political shit is intertwined with personal shit, like in SoJ?

>>723049776
Van Dine was right. All his rules are golden and objectively improve a mystery.

>sequel with new protagonist
They already made TGAA. Flopped.

is trials of innocence good

>>723050096
No. There isn't a single non-Japanese murder mystery with good writing. Trust me, I checked.

>Phoenix mastered the poker face during the timeskip before AA4
>Comes back into the courtroom in 5
>Been there for 10 seconds
>Mistakes the new Payne for the old one
>Makes an exaggerated surprised face

>>723049963
The majority of his rules are retarded because he essentially wants every single mystery to play out the same. Mystery rules like that don't even apply to Ace Attorney in the first place because by the dev's own admission, Ace Attorney doesn't have "fair play", it's near impossible to figure out a mystery at the start of a case which is the foundation for a lot of mystery works that Van Dine's rules are supposed to apply to. Ace Attorney isn't about figuring out a big overarching mystery, it's about slowly finding contradictions and watching things piece themselves together over time. Something like Famicom Detective Club is far closer to having actual "fair play" and thus would make more sense having those rules applied to it, even if I think those rules are still retarded. There's a reason 99% of modern mystery fiction completely ignores Van Dine rules and similar rules like them.

>>723049834
>forced them to never spoil a previous game
Makes sense, though. It’s a murder mystery series, so the mandate is pretty thoughtful towards players.

>>723050319
>thoughtful to new players at the expense of long-time players
gee thanks

>>723050096
Yeah, it's all right. The gameplay's largely the same as Ace Attorney. Just be mindful that the translation is understandable, but incredibly unpolished.

i groaned when 6 brought back maya just to do ghost shit again

>>723050319
Then they might as well just do a new cast every single game. It just makes the characters stagnate and become flanderized more and more over time.

There's always AA Online lol lmao

>>723050669
>someone posting a screencap of one of my aov posts
Goddamn I can't believe it's been a decade since the AAO /v/ server started, I haven't been on it in years. Guessing it's probably pretty dead now.

>>723050265
I feel like I'm one of the few people who think Phoenix's characterization in Apollo Justice was kino as fuck. Such a downgrade going into Dual Destinies and seeing him act like a complete retard.

>I think continuing the story with SoJ's writers is perfectly fine
Please kill yourself
People like you are the reason why the franchise has gone to shit

>>723050840
the thread on /vm/ looks kinda ded, but thats just /v/ offshoots in general

>>723050617
>spirit medium character that summons ghosts in every game she is in summons ghosts once again
im going in insaaaaAaaane

>>723051047
Can you post all of the screencaps you got? I lost mine years ago.

>>723050657
I actually wouldn’t mind that.

>>723051028
Why, you think GAA's new cast is so much better? I hated those games more than AA5.

>>723051028
meant for
>>723049772
Also SoJ is one of the best AAs kys you're selve

>>723051156
>esl jeet loves SoJ
Makes sense considering that dogshit game takes place in India

>>723050283
>The majority of his rules are retarded because he essentially wants every single mystery to play out the same.
In a sense that's true, since murder mysteries come with very specific expectations. Ace Attorney absolutely follows those rules, by the way. For example, rule 7: there must be a murder. That's the reason why every AA case is a murder case, even if it doesn't appear so at first.

The rules are recommendations. You don't have to follow them all, but the more you do, the better your mystery is. That is an absolute truth.

>>723051121
Heres a link to some screencaps
most some have the same pics tho
>>>/vm/1961927

>>723051131
hecking takumirino wrote them

>>723051131
Naruhodo and Susato are leagues better than Apollo

>>723051345
>Ace Attorney absolutely follows those rules, by the way. For example, rule 7: there must be a murder. That's the reason why every AA case is a murder case, even if it doesn't appear so at first.
Ace Attorney literally doesn't. By the own dev's admission in interviews. You're retarded. The games don't have "fair play" because they're not fair mysteries.

Also crossover case 1, no murder. The main reason there's murder is to give stakes to the case, not because Shu Takumi thinks Van Dine rules are good. A bunch of jap mystery fiction even goes out of their way to make fun of Van Dine rules and similar rules like them.

>You don't have to follow them all, but the more you do, the better your mystery is. That is an absolute truth.
It isn't. The more you follow the more formulaic and bland your mystery story will become. Once again, there's a reason 99% of mystery fiction does not follow those rules.

>>723051640
The reason most mystery fiction doesn't follow them is because they're bad mysteries. Breaking rules is something an idiot amateurs does because he doesn't understand why they exist. There are some famous mysteries that broke them, but those only worked because of novelty. Doing that regularly would be extremely annoying.

>>723048315
There's people who rate DD above SoJ and I just don't see it. I want to strangle every character in DD, they all act like fucking cartoon characters. The pacing also just sucks complete dick.

>>723044603
They're fine. Not as strong as the original

>>723051802
I hope a cure for autism is found one day, anon.

>>723051802
>Doing that regularly would be extremely annoying.
That's literally what Ace Attorney constantly does and it's far better off for it. Van Dine is a joke and no modern mystery writer takes his rules seriously. Even during his era, not all mystery writers took him seriously. I get the feeling you don't actually read much mystery fiction at all and you just found out about these rules and think you're an expert on mysteries when you're just a mongoloid.

>>723048635
Athena case was the best case of that game tho

>Member the picture that Pearl spilled gravy all over
Yeah, I member!
But you know what I member that the devs (who've clearly never played ace attorney before) didn't member?
Pearl cleaning up the picture as a way to apologize to Maya after feeling responsible for her mom's death

>>723051487
That's just slightly below average for a Japanese 14 year old girl and jap shit always follow Jap heights so I don't see the big deal

>>723051947
What, the soba noodle case? Not only is it the worst case in SoJ, it's the worst case in the whole series

>>723052145
>it's the worst case in the whole series
No, that would be the case immediately after that

>>723052145
DLC case of 6 was worse just by how generic and boring I found it with its nostalgia pandering.

>>723051853
Blackquill alone elevates DD over SoJ. Nahyuta is the worst prosecutor in the entire series

>>723052629
Why do people hate Nahyuta so much? I found him inoffensive. I don't see how he's worse than someone like Gavin.

>>723051853
>He says with while defending the game with a shitty cartoon plot where all the characters act like cartoon characters