Thread 723061581

This is the biggest scam in gaming.
And the entire industry fell for it.

>>723061581 (OP)
You're a retarded moron poorfag that can't afford an RTX capable card, now that they're cheaper than ever.

>>723061654
that's not the issue

I find it ironic that the film industry has been spending a century fighting natural lighting only for video games to try to shill it as something that looks "better".

artistic lighting > natural lighting

>>723061581 (OP)
Yeah, it's garbage

>>723061581 (OP)
it's not and I wish more games had it
rtx cp77 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonrtx cp77
literally night and day difference

>>723061581 (OP)
Works on my camera. try setting it to wumbo.

>>723061676
RTX has nothing to do with natural/artificial lighting as in movies. It's about physically accurate lighting. You can have raytraced lamplight (artificial light) or raytraced sunlight (natural light).

>>723061581 (OP)
It is and it's not. RT and PT depend heavily on the implementation and even the scene. It can be barely noticeable or a night/day difference. But it will always have a massive performance impact. That is why tech companies are pushing upscaling and framegen tech so much.

>>723061581 (OP)
When is RTX truly necessary in a game? Because as far as I know it only benefits FPS shooters and horror. But devs can easily just use baked lighting instead of putting all the strain on the user's hardware.

>>723061581 (OP)
the beyond meat, impossible meat equivalent frame gen is far worse

>>723061581 (OP)
Like physx, it's yet another feature that won't really go anywhere because consoles are holding back gaming.

>>723061581 (OP)
play doom 2 rtx

>>723061581 (OP)
AAA graphics overall is a bigger scam, ensuring only about two games per year with zero originality released by all industry.

Don't show this to RTX-troons.

I miss those pre downgrade E3 trailers from the 2013/2014 era (bloodborne, witcher 3, ubi games...)
I wanted these kind of graphics

Never had an issue running it on my 7900xt, apart from Hitman world of Assassination which took a big hit but apparently it's shit ray tracing. I boughted cyberpunk on my switch 2 so I won't be playing that on PC anyhow

>>723062257
rendering the whole level twice is not rtx lil pup
maybe ask ai to make a more educated guess next time

>>723061581 (OP)
No reatard. The entire industry was paid to push it.

>>723062298
>this is not rtx
I know, that's why it looks better.

>>723062356
>the burger is tastier than salad

>>723061941
>benefits FPS shooters
FPS players usually dislike it because they want framerates as high as possible, even if they play on potatoes.
At most I've seen some people talk about the destructible environments in Battlefield games breaking the lighting because of no raytracing.
>horror
that yes

>>723062025
Even the Switch 2 has raytracing. And raytracing might make physics inferactions more common again because devs don't have to worry about breaking baked lighting anymore, see Doom: The Dark Ages.

>>723062389
When one runs at 300+ FPS and the other one at 30 FPS, yeah, I would say it's better.

>>723061581 (OP)
I hope RTX becomes mandatory so we can filter out poorfag third worlders from video games

>>723062052
nta, but i did. it was fun for the first couple of hours until the novelty wore off. i still prefer the original lighting.

>>723062025
Fallout 4 uses phyx for weapon debris.
If you have it enabled it causes crashes on all RTX cards.
Its been a bug for years and they still haven't fixed it.

>>723062356
nice

>>723062476
again, this is not rtx
this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tttGPZpPMY&t=52s

>>723061654
>"RTX capable"
>1080p 30fps with dips, upscaling and interpolation
I'm fine without thanks

>>723062527
It's actually Flex, some other thing Nvidia shat out that was never really used for anything, hasn't worked on anything newer than 20 series.
And almost all PhysX gimmick titles are now broken on 50 series, virtually anything that used hardware PhysX is unplayable or crashes now

>>723061581 (OP)
There are worse things than RTX.
Screen space reflections, for example.
Or what about Fake frames generated by AI?

Doom dark ages had mandatory RTX for "hitscan" and flamable leather particles, I noticed none of that during actual gameplay, so what was the point?

>>723062748
This looks so... realistic and soulless. You unironically prefer this over beautiful, handcrafted shading and pinpoint sharp reflections?

>>723062885
All the AI fake-frame shit started with RTX, so it's still to blame.

>>723062356
why doesn't it reflect the little guy haha

Ray/pathtracing makes lighting easier than ever, but promotes laziness and bland 'realistic' lighting and also needless amounts of shiny surfaces to 'showcase' the tech

>>723061581 (OP)
This zoom zoom wasn't around for hairworks

>>723063476
Hairworks was in what 2-3 popular games? It was nothing like RTX.

>>723063476
Developers didn't build games with hairworks in mind.

>>723063553
They didn't have infinite ai money to paper the whole industry into putting it in everything and hairworks didn't let you cut corners to the extent that raytracing does.

>>723062825
2020 called, they want you back

why is ray tracing bad again apart from being a poorfag issue ?

>>723063820
I have deep pockets, which RTX card should I buy to play this game at 4k 120hz?

>>723063820
shortcut for developers that don't have to light their games coherently
no matter how much money you have you can't make borderlands 4 run well
fear still looks better

>>723062025
More like Nvidia holding back gaming. Physix (the hardware accelerated version) was firmly locked into the Nvidia ecosystem unless you settled for the less performant Physix on the CPU.

>>723062356
Poorfag coping lol

>>723064034
5090 because there won't be 5090 super or 6090 in 3-4 years

>>723064169
he said at 4k 120fps
the 5090 can't do that

>>723062748
You don't have to replicate real life when the result is dogshit, cost more and run like shit

>>723064197
I can already do that on 3080ti

>>723064207
it clearly runs at 60 fps

>>723064286
without rt

>>723064436
with

>>723064286
ah sure with framegen
why not stop at a 1060?

>>723064332
But it could run at 500 FPS and on much lower-end hardware.

>>723064531
why not enjoy the tech instead of being a seething poorfag

>>723064521
@grok is that real

>>723064581
enjoy what? framegen?
you can get it on a built in intel igpu

>>723064581
My LG TV can do framegen.

>>723064642
ok?

>>723064521
Rtxhater btfo

>>723064676
Just putting you back in your place, anon.

>>723061581 (OP)
Nah, path tracing is great for F1, Cyberpunk, Alan Wake and Doom.
People are saying it's a scam cause they wanted their RX 580 and GTX 1060 to last forever.

>>723064728
>nah, it's great for all these games that are purposely designed to look like shit without it
Ok.

>>723064728
>People are saying it's a scam cause they wanted their RX 580 and GTX 1060 to last forever.
Or maybe they aren't retarded consoomers and remember better ways to render effects like reflections and shadows?

RTX isn't for you. It's for developers. It's a way to save costs on development and move it on the users. Instead of meticulously rendering realistic lighting by hand the RTX model can do it automatically on the user's computer.

>>723064545
People don't want to run it in 500 fps and the current world is held together by money circulating.

>>723064815
This is true, but it also shows how incredibly retarded game developers are.
You won't sell a lot of copies if your user base is 5% of the PC market.

>>723062885
SSR and RTX are the same flavor of shit pushed by shills like DF. Only difference is that the checks stopped coming for one so they can tell the truth about SSR now, even if it’s only to promote RTX. Reflections except for mirrors and water almost always make a scene look gamey because of the shiny surface materials used for the reflections. RTX lighting is okay but often looks worse compared to raster in the same game because it lacks the manual touch and needs denoising.

>>723064839
the current world isn't held by economic bubbles caused by scams
in fact it's the cause of the dire situation we're in

>>723064909
every card after 3060 can run rtx games

Path tracing looks amazing. Sorry you're poor

>>723064978
With RTX disabled and the game looking like ass? Yeah sure.

>>723064810
All those games look great without path tracing.

>>723061581 (OP)
yeah but have you seen it on minecraft?

>>723064815
Yeah but they don’t actually do that. If a game isn’t rt only then devs are doing more work cause they’re maintaining two lighting systems. AAA isn’t going to be rt only by default until the next gen console cross gen period is over so lmao

>>723064932
Realistically what other solution do you suggest? If there is no "consumerism" then there is barely any jobs and when there is barely any jobs how do we fund peoples lives?

>>723065053
Minecraft and Fortnite are the only games where Path Tracing makes sense due to their destructible worlds. It makes zero sense in games with static environments.

That poorfag really can't afford a $400 gpu lmao

The problem with RT and PT is that the games are designed with those technologies in mind, with no backup solutions for when they're run on lower settings.
So turning RTX off completely ruins the art direction.

Dragon's Dogma 2 with the hidden pathtracing mode looks pretty, wonder why Capcom doesn't use it since it also exists in most other newer RE Engine titles

>>723065368
Please describe the taste of his semen.

>>723065402
>taking the time and effort to make your game run and still good on potato PCs when poorfags will end up pirating it
I understand devs now

>>723061710
Because they didn't even try to care about non-RTX lightning. The moment they could slap it on, they did and forgot everyone who couldn't use it and leave it in it's terrible state.

>>723061581 (OP)
There's two cases of ray tracing. Either it makes basically no visual difference at all, or it does but it still doesn't look significantly better than shiny reflections in non-RT games. It's just that in that particular game, you can only get them with RT which you can use to "prove" that hey RT isn't pointless. But at heavy performance cost, of course. Maybe if I really stopped to inspect I could appreciate how physically accurate and realistic the lighting is in a way that a shiny older game wouldn't be - but if I have to do that that's already enough to prove to me that it's not fucking worth it. It better be something obvious and visceral.

>>723065651
Have you seen the Steam stats? Most people have low-range PC's
And RTX games can barely run on mid-range hardware.

>>723065597
he didn't say anything about nvidia or gay sex

>>723065737
Well, he's not answering the question, so maybe he wants to keep it a secret.

>>723065783
why would you want to know the answer to that?

>>723065651
Most normies who buy games play them on "gaming" laptops

>>723065842
So I can become a billionaire off retarded consoomers just like Jense.

>>723065976
who's Jense?

>>723061581 (OP)
>entire industry fell for it
They knew. Consoomers fell for it and still shill it.

>>723066165
It's actually insane how easy it is to turn people into dumb sheep. This thread is a perfect example of it.

>>723061581 (OP)
This is a bigger scam and you fell for it.

>>723066459
You're not rich if your mom pays for everything

>>723066645
>poor and rich are the only possibilities
Poor confirmed.

>>723066946
Because most people who reply with "you're poor lol" don't actually have any money, and probably never had a job

>>723061654
Nah this is the thing, retard:
>make gpu's too strong
>can suddenly reach 100+fps in everything
>this is a problem for tech trying to sell you shit
>so they push for rt, that makes every look more accurate for less dev cost
>tanks performance
>gen 1 rt can kind of run rt
>you should def buy gen 2! This on RT'S harder
>meanwhile keep updating software and make like phones where you need to buy a new one for something that could've been patched
>sell dlss as the bandaid
>"this next one wont suck for sure! Need to buy new gpu tho"
>devs can use dlss to cut costs again
>now here you are spending a x5 almost to get the same level of performance you got a decade ago
Yes it looks better, but tech used to scale. New tech runs prettier shit at the same price the old one used to do close to the same price you were used to
>muh inflation
A high end gpu is 4x the price it used to be

>>723067292
Ignore my brainfart spelling and shiiiit

>>723067292
>>723067353
im gonna ignore it anyway and give you this instead
FAGGOT
>>>r/iamverysmart

>>723062356
What game is that?

>>723067745
bro, you're black

>>723061581 (OP)
nah the biggest scam was epic promoting unreal as THE industry standard and the industry gaslighting itself into believing it is in fact true

>>723062587
Water

>>723061581 (OP)
>entire industry
Is the marketing department

>>723067853
Xanadu Next (2005)

I have a 4080 Super and I rarely use raytracing. Once or twice I've kept it on, but generally it goes like this
>turn on raytracing in new game
>walk around a bit and admire the shiny graphics
>soon after turn it off again to double my FPS and actually play
It's just not worth it. Most cases you're forced to use DLSS, which I try to avoid as much as possible to preserve native res image quality.