Thread 723180437

What the fuck do I even build?
I've spent 2 hours on the Character Creation and I already have decision fatigue

>>723180437 (OP)
Human
Male
White
Fighter
Simple as.

>>723180437 (OP)
play through the game once with white male human fighter and when you hit a block go back and apply yourself.
Or just look up a guide.

>>723180437 (OP)
bloodrager

>>723180437 (OP)
Unless you're playing on Unfair like an autist, whatever you want to play as will be good enough and you don't need to worry about multiclassing.

>>723180437 (OP)
Bro do you not have an OC character in your head? Just fucking make that. Every RPG game gives you plenty of characters that will fill any role you don't have.

>>723180437 (OP)
running kineticist is fun
overwhelming soul subclass for high risk/high reward since you get bonuses at max burn
deadly earth is hilariously stupid op, shame it fucks up your party as well
you can also mod in sub classes and other shit
for kineticist, i have chain infusion added and zippy magic to work with blast again so it's just a glorified chain lightning machine without the need for resting for spell slots back (you just accumulate burn instead)

>>723180437 (OP)
Human Mutation Warrior (it's better than base Fighter and easily the strongest melee in the game). Put STR at 20 and dump your INT. CON should be your 2nd highest stat followed by DEX and WIS respectfully (dont worry too much about DEX, you will be in full plate which negates any DEX bonus). Use a Greatsword and take all the power attack/cleave feats and then go for the teamwork feats. If i recall, as a Fighter you will be able to use teamwork feats on your character even if your party doesn't have them which is bananas. Take any feat that increases your damage. Take Lunge when you can for reach. Put all 5 stat points into STR. Become a Demon for extra claw attack which stacks with your mutagen headbutt attack (more damage per round is nuts on this class). Remember to not be evil though because thats gay. You will become Legend later on which is an additional +5 stats to STR making you a fucking murder machine. Pick party members that are good at buffing you. Put some heckin bufferinos on your mutagen warrior and enjoy the show (hint the show is mass murder and you are the culprit)

Just make a pally or sorcadin, ffs.
Setting nearly screams for one, and you are rid of "I found! uhhh something" at least

>>723180437 (OP)
Don't pick anything with lightning, until you can actually bypass immunities is actually 1000% useless

I will never understand why there's no in-game build planner, especially considering the harder difficulties absolutely require minmaxing builds.

>>723181486
>for kineticist, i have chain infusion added and zippy magic to work with blast again
I though they nerfed this for being too fun. Did they change it back?

>>723182894
No
you have to mod the zippy magic working with blasts it back in

>>723180437 (OP)
I'm assuming this is your first time, so here is some advice: play on easy. Owlcat does not give a fuck about throwing stuff that is blatantly bullshit at you.

>>723183290
I went back and started playing Kingmaker again, and that game is so much fucking worse about it.

>>723181974
>sorcadin
This isn't baldur's gate 3, a paladin/sorcerer would suck

>>723180628
This, but paladin

>>723180437 (OP)
here

>>723180437 (OP)
do inquisitor with pet
go aeon
fuck arue
Be a good janitor and clean it up

>>723180437 (OP)
You might as well just jump in because it's all downhill from here.

>>723180437 (OP)

If you want an actual viable class then you need to focus on either a Wis or Cha class and take a dip level into a monk class so add scaling with those stats.

It's kind of shitty, but unless you're playing on easy it's more or less mandatory you do this.

>>723180437 (OP)
>have to pick all abilities you'll level up with before starting the game
This single handedly ruined the game for me. Why not let me pick them as I level up, so I can feel out a build as I go?

>>723186631
Pally is just a moj bot in wotr and strictly inferior to Fighter. If you take the mount it sort of puts you on par
Besides you get seelah and she makes a fine moj bot. If you dont like her character you can use one of the hirelings instead

>>723187205
>Pally is just a moj bot in wotr
And that makes it better than basic bitch fighter by default, yeah

>>723180437 (OP)
1/4th the game character building, 1/4th the game are loadscreens, 1/4th the game is buffing before each encounter, and the rest of the 200 hours are actually playing the game. it's great

>>723186824
No, it isn't.
Any full caster, support caster and mount user can ignore this , even on unfair.
Why do retards who know shit about the game parrot shit so condidently?

>>723186824
>but unless you're playing on easy it's more or less mandatory you do this.
That's really not true. I played a Metamorph on release on Hard and I didn't have many issues and my experience basically amounted to a bit of Kingmaker, I barely knew what I was doing, just mass buffing got me through most of the game. Haste is the single best spell in the game, if you know how to cast that, you're fine.

>>723187270
Default Fighter especially with the mythic armor changes is quite good and the base class was already quite good anyway. You get loadsa feats and can easily grab all teamwork related feats making you a real melee monster. Paladin is very one note and without moj is really meh. Also feat starved to a bad degree. If you dont have a moj bot then you really do need one especially on higher difficulties. Otherwise paladins aren't all that necessary. This isn't bg3 where they do insane dpr

Anything as long as you go Hellknight.

>>723187547
Normal or Signifer?

>>723187587
dosent matter.

>>723180437 (OP)
I like to larp as an anime wizard / blaster
Magic Deceiver goes from 0 to 100 rq in act 3
either that go angel cleric and become the wrath of the righteous (just like the title)

>>723180628
Titan Fighter, dual wield 2H swords and enjoy

Spell casting Oracle and drown everyone with tsunami.

Azata Enchantment caster was really fun, one Hideous Laughter and the entire map was on the ground. Sure Crossblooded sorc has its spell progression cucked hard but a few spells is all you need to control the entire battlefield.

If you aren't a build autist, you need to find a cool portrait and concept and then just roll with it.
If you want something thematically sound and mechanically strong, the base Paladin class is an easy choice.
That said, I got about halfway through act 3 on my first real playthrough and learned enough about the game and story to want to redo it.
Just an FYI, when the game says "Requires XYZ Mythic Path" in the early game, that doesn't mean it requires it, it's more that it fulfills and unlocks the path in the future.

Also Camellia is an amazing character. Not even cooming or anything, it's great having a character that is a vicious high school girl that purposely agitates the group. It's always a joy to see her party banter pop up.

>>723180437 (OP)
Gnome
Female
Black
Fey Bloodline Sorcerer

>>723180437 (OP)
Human
Male
Angel path
Oracle
It's so much goddamn fun

>>723187375
>1/4th the game is buffing before each encounter,
But that's what 3.5e oldfags like about 3.5e!

>>723189320
Cleric Crusader is so much better than fagadin it isn't even funny. Thematically it fits way better too

>>723180437 (OP)
I know some people really like it but I hate the build wank in Owlcat games. It feels like a chore to have to spend a significant amount of time reading feat descriptions when you level up. Pathfinder isn't horrific but Rogue Trader is a fucking chore.

>>723187004
>let me pick them as I level up, so I can feel out a build as I go
thats literally what happens, what the fuck are you on about?

>>723180437 (OP)
It dont matta, owlcat makes a relatively complex system with a bunch of shit that sounds interesting but none of them actually know how to play video games so they just make you able to pick everything at random and still faceroll their games

>>723190346
Actually thats not entirelt true its not a 100% faceroll all the time, just most of the time, the balance is so all over the place though that the times its fucking retarded bullshit, its going to be retarded bullshit that makes you turn the difficulty down to easy no matter what you do, because thats the only difficulty they actually play and have tested

>>723190346
>>723190702
shut the fuck up the both of you and pick MoJ Seelah and Nature mystery Daeran and watch as Creeping Doom solos another D&D game at any difficulty AGAIN

Druids can't keep getting away with it
also try Angel Druid. No thinking, all buffing, orbital strike causing invincible monsters ready to scrub demons from Sarkoris.

What do the path spells "scale" with?
I just want to make a fiendflesh shifter punch man
Fuck becoming an animal, I want to claw shit

>>723180437 (OP)
I tried doing a sorcerer build but it was kind of weird. Sometimes I'd hit those hellfire rays for 800 damage and sometimes they'd hit for 40 and that's it. Sometimes I would use the lightning spell and it would bounce multiple times and deal 400+ damage, other times it woud deal nothing at all. I couldn't be fucked to figure out why, it's not like the combat was that hard on normal difficulty.

>>723180437 (OP)
I made an emo blood kineticist vampire and turned even more to the dark side as I played (because of camcam)

>>723193687
resistances and immunities
some monsters are immune to precision damage so ray spells (chain lightning/hellfire/etc.) do literally nothing despite you having ascended element
if you don't have ascended element, then you're subject to resistance values and elemental immunities
most demons are electric immune and have some sort of fire resistance
incorporeal enemies take half damage
some enemies are crit immune
the list goes on

>>723194074
Yeah I imagined it was something like that, I couldn't be bothered to read up on immunities, so it's my bad. I should've just went with a swordsman build instead. Sorcerer was pretty boring until way late into the game where I got those two spells and started doing big numbers, but even then it was underwhelming. Usually I enjoy a game's mage class' late game power spike but not this time.

>>723194693
i mean you still have to worry about incorporeal, crit immune and/or precision immune mobs as a melee
all you'd be cutting out is the reliance on elemental damage, which i suppose is most enemies
the aforementioned res/immunes are pretty rare, but when you encounter them, it's really fucking annoying

>>723180437 (OP)
>majority of the characters constantly joke around and never treat the situation seriously even though you're getting invaded by literal demons
Absolutely cringe

>>723197494
Not really, just avoid the reddit characters and you're good. That was my problem with DOS2, EVERYONE jokes around all the time in that game. Wrath isn't like that

>>723180437 (OP)
>wotr
make a paladin and go angel

>>723189515
What's a solid build for crusader? Playing on hard. I'm guessing no dips?

>>723180437 (OP)
human oracle angel

>>723180437 (OP)
Beast Rider Cavalier with any pet that would became Large at level 7. That's what i did, picked Triceratops and after a few levels and items it was nigh-unkillable and also hit like a goddamn truck. Oh, and you can't be hit while you're mounted, all damage goes to the pet first. Also made Regill one and gave him a velociraptor, dude zapped like a lightning across the battlefield. Also Trip feat.

>>723197627
Wrath is absolutely like that, and if they don't joke around, they clearly don't take the situation seriously and their dialogue is meant to be funny (Nenio being the most notably example)

>>723197494
unlike BG3 right

>>723198891
Took you long enough, usually you mention BG3 sooner.

>>723197494
Counterpoint: some of the dramatic scenes can be unbelievably kino. I still get chills when I hear Ember's lines when you unlock mythic paths at the end of act two.

>>723180437 (OP)
I hope you didn't spend any money on this anon

>>723199037
I'm playing Kingmaker

Is kineticist kino?

>>723200276
It's kinda boring

>>723198621
>I'm guessing no dips?
correct, go full angel merged spell book
for mythic pick up the abundant spells / enduring / favored metamagic(extend)
for class, grab w/e early, outflank(if you plan on melee) and improved initiative are decent picks
make sure to get conjuration focus / greater later on and then said grab extend 15+
after that you can either grab more metamagics or the stuff to gain shatter defenses
you can figure it out by that point, you have per round spells that last 24h and power spell options, read a few of them and you will probably come up with something

>>723200792
Combine that with a Brown-Fur Arcanist and you basically have all the buffs you will ever need.

>>723197494
this game genuinely has the most unlikeable cast of party members of any CRPG i haven't played. i never played a DA game after 2 so maybe that's why but man none of these people are interesting let alone pleasant.

I couldnt get past act 4

>>723201121
I see a lot of ppl talk shit about act 4 and desu that was my favorite part

>>723180437 (OP)
Think of a concept first to funnekl the options down.
>Oh. I want to play a guy with a sword and no magic. Hmm, fighter, barbarian? No, I want a horse. Cavalier!
Like that.

>>723197494
?
Characters who never joke:
>Arushalaee
>Regil
>Sosiel
>Trever
>All the Lich companions
Characters who joke from time to time:
>Camellia
>Seelah
>Ember
>Ulbrig
Characters who joke all the time:
>Daeran
>Woljif
>Nenio
>Aivu

>>723201270
Everything about it bored me or annoyed me. I was really hyped coming out of act 3 too hit that wall. Maybe I could try again but idk.

>>723201270
if the map didn't change based on the camera angle it would have been a lot more enjoyable.

>Cavalier
>Gendarme
>toybox the horse into a dog
>spam charge every battle

>>723201270
It's objectively the best part of the game even with the garbage camera gimmick, simply because there is no crusade minigame

>>723201270
My big issue with it was a lot of the bullshit fights. They are fine once you've played through once but getting ambushed by a bunch of perma invisible vrolikai or those kineticist fuckers in the upper zone was bullshit the first time around.

I like slayer deliverer because it's an interesting concept being a good guy who does a god's dirty work and you get access to sneak attacks which are my favorite mechanic in crpgs.

I played this up til act 3 and then kinda just took a break for a couple years and now im scared to go back cause I dont remember shit. But at the same time, I dont wanna restart my run so idk what the fuck to do.

>>723186801
I did a run as an Inquisitor of Erastil with 4 points in Gendarme/Sohei for extra feats and shit. Aeon, too. Was pretty fun. Unfortunately like most non merging mythics it doesn't really feel super strong until act 5.

I re specced to 6 Kineticist spamming deadly earth.

Fuck Owlcat.

>>723189320

REGILL IS BASED AS FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>723205640
>Has the best plans.
>Knows how to win fights.
>Tells you what you NEED to hear, not what you WANT to hear.
>Pragmatism is best when fighting beings who show no mercy or remorse.
>Game considers him "Lawful Evil"
I don't agree...

>>723206276
>the best plan of grabbing a bunch of civilians and conscripting them as canon fodder (which is also yes, evil)

>>723206276
You should agree. He's one of the only times a game has made an "Evil" character make sense. "Evil" in D&D is meant to be about pragmatism at the expense of altruism. Kill a wounded soldier to not waste supplies that could go to the able bodied ones. The problem with alignments in pretty much every single video game is that they boil down to:
>[Good]: Help this person
>[Neutral]: Help this person, but demand payment first
>[Evil]: Kill them for literally no fucking reason

>>723206276
>>Game considers him "Lawful Evil"
His actions are absolutely Lawful Evil, he works for an organization aligned with the Hells, he's very much so the embodiment of "the ends justify the means" and he's only so useful to us because we conveniently fight against the things he does
He's without a doubt one of if not the best examples of an intelligent evil characters to come out of an RPG

>>723180437 (OP)
Duel Cursed Oracle with Horse Mount into Chadgel Orbital Strikes.

>>723180437 (OP)
Kitsune(pounce)
dex / crit wep
10 deliverer, 3 knife master(kukri)(or other choice) rest any
DW, grab lunge press charge to delete
trickster probably optimal but go any
go legend, 12+ bloodrager(serpentine) (at 12 gains a range inc)
rest any, could probably go for a mut warr(for mutagen), or pally if you have char(you do)(saves+smite), or sohei and setup a style strike, you have options
add legendary proportions or frightful aspect
have the range to hit everything on the screen when centered on char
press charge to delete

>>723180848
>Unless you're playing on Unfair
You're saying that as if the gargoyle rape cave is a walk in the park on core

>>723209380
>gargoyle rape cave is a walk in the park on core
it is, unbreakable heart / glitterdust should cover any issues

>>723209380
>corruptor stinking cloud
>death ward to prevent damage from channel negative energy from the gargoyle clerics
>greater invisibility on your martials
>animate dead to create a wall of skeletons

>>723206371
>>723206594
>>723206646
Fair enough.

Also playing this for the first time and stuck on character creation. Is werewolf or weretiger good

>>723215524
Epic page 10 bump.
>LE PLAYING FOR TEH FIRSTEST TIEM (I MADE THIS THREAD 1000 TIMES BTW)

>>723180437 (OP)
shitty game. solasta did better with much less

>>723180437 (OP)
>decision fatigue
lmao
Every "build" in this dogshit excuse of a videogame plays exactly same, you just put on 100 buffs and watch your characters autoattack as you wade through 9000 trash encounters on flat empty maps.

>>723206594
>"Evil" in D&D is meant to be about pragmatism at the expense of altruism.
no. gygax said killing orc babies in the cradle is a good act, remember.

Good and Evil are elemental forces of the universe and you are pushing grains of sand around on the cosmic scale.

>>723215825
Weird how you expect a Lawful Good character to be about "honor" when they are killing someone who can't defend themselves.
I would expect a Lawful Neutral or a Lawful Evil character to do that, but I can't see a Lawful Good character, for example, killing an enemy that just surrendered and dropped their weapon.

>>723216719
you know how bringing "balance" to the Force means destroying all the dark side users
that's how D&D's cosmology works. you killing the orc babies pushes the little cosmic grains of sand away from Chaos and Evil, and towards Order and Good.
orcs are Evil creatures so killing them is always Good.