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What went wrong?
Anonymous No.723268730 [Report] >>723284861
Campaign is a slog
Anonymous No.723268804 [Report] >>723269473 >>723284861
character movement speed too slow.
I do have copium thought that by the time it's fully released it will be as good as poe1
Anonymous No.723269457 [Report] >>723269552 >>723283341 >>723283658
>>723268649 (OP)
>take ruthless from poe1
>cut all movespeed by an additional 50%
>cut all loot drops by 80%
>give all enemies, including shin high swarm fucks, the ability to body block players
>make roah charge a standard ability to the majority of monster groups
>strip away all end game
>strip away all crafting
>cut half the class starting positions
>remove core endgame mapping loop
>make every single fucking mistake you made in POE1, found the answers to, but refuse to implement said answers because ??
>MAH VISION

all they had to do was keep their initial idea in mind and make poe2 just an expansion/alternate leveling path for poe1 and everything would have been great. instead the fucking studio is fractured between the two games, neither of which they have enough staff to full support one of them, frantically rushing back and forth between the two in the desperate attempt to keep two sinking boats afloat. mark my words, in another year or so they will drop service on one of them.
Anonymous No.723269473 [Report] >>723285790
>>723268804
It's supposed to be slow doe
Anonymous No.723269487 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
Jonatroon the coprophiliac pedophile was given control and he turned it into liquid shit. He's literally gone on record and said that the only thing that matters is that he enjoys the idea of what the game should be, otherwise it's not getting into the game. Note that I said "concept" and not gameplay, he never actually plays the game except to tests something with devmode enabled so that he can skip the boring parts which he then forces the players to deal with.
Anonymous No.723269552 [Report] >>723269831 >>723278729
>>723269457
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFuDWuXa6I

Poe1 is garbage
Anonymous No.723269569 [Report] >>723269718
he won
Anonymous No.723269575 [Report] >>723270293 >>723270993 >>723284913
>>723268649 (OP)
Acts 1-2 are poorly balanced so most people ragequit before they can even play a finished build.
Anonymous No.723269718 [Report] >>723269840
>>723269569
he fucking left
Anonymous No.723269831 [Report] >>723269996
>>723269552
>poe1 /played over 5000 hours
>poe2 /played 70 hours

ya, no
Anonymous No.723269840 [Report]
>>723269718
exactly
Anonymous No.723269996 [Report]
>>723269831
Anonymous No.723270293 [Report]
>>723269575
i legit quit in act 2 last league
Anonymous No.723270887 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
They want a game where people grind their brains out while also having meaningful moment to moment gameplay. These two design philosophies are at odds with one another
Anonymous No.723270993 [Report] >>723276509 >>723284913
>>723269575
It's mainly the power disparity between skills
On one end of the spectrum you're insta phasing bosses with shit gear and on the other rares are chasing you out of zones
Anonymous No.723271047 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
Games are slop now
Anonymous No.723271227 [Report] >>723271458
No autocombat or high score leaderboards, these unc devs are out of touch.
Anonymous No.723271458 [Report]
>>723271227
>autocombat
from 1 button to no button, genius
Anonymous No.723271531 [Report]
They made the original game again. All over again. And made it worse.

Absolutely deranged management decision.
Anonymous No.723271782 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
Not enough waifus
Anonymous No.723271896 [Report]
With the Atlas you can go anywhere, but everywhere is nowhere.
Anonymous No.723272625 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
>make game that is basically poe1 but slightly harder
>poe1 fans shit and piss their pants in rage about it being slightly harder
>poe1 streamers cry about act 1 mobs being too hard
>people that never played poe1 laugh and are shocked that someone could find act 1 mobs too hard let alone poe1 "veterans"
>devs cave and nerf act 1 mobs because poe1 streamers are holding the genre hostage with their 0 skill skinner box mentality
I have spoken the truth to /v/, now watch the rage.
Anonymous No.723272868 [Report]
PoE2 suffers from trying to make the combat more interesting by focusing on build and burst mechanics.
But everyone who is playing PoE doesn't want things to be slow, so they hate it.
And eventually they find some way to get around the mechanics, leading to the game being even more brain-dead than PoE1.
Anonymous No.723274259 [Report] >>723274354
The thought was 'Path of Exile used to have more careful gameplay as was more like D2, so let's try making things like that'. So what they did was they rolled back over a decade of development of the game and turned it into dogshit.

And then sold it. Instead of the free to play model. And introduced more paid features. Paid early access scam recouped all their investment, so it'll keep going like this.
Anonymous No.723274354 [Report] >>723274506
>>723274259
Is that why the current version of POE2 plays like POE1 you fucking retard?
Anonymous No.723274378 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
is it out yet?
I don't see it on the free games section
Anonymous No.723274506 [Report] >>723274592
>>723274354
You haven't played either game if you think that.
Anonymous No.723274592 [Report]
>>723274506
It is slowly but surely become a garbage loot fiesta full of fast clears like POE1 yes. I'm sure the dozens of fags that haven't moved on from the bot infested dogshit game that is POE1 are happy about it.
Anonymous No.723274687 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
Just play deadeye and it's Poe 1.
You don't even need top tier gear. Just average clears T15 maps.

Other classes are such TRASH that I wonder what's even a point of them. Current patch is a joke so far.
Anonymous No.723274871 [Report] >>723275586 >>723285021
>>723268649 (OP)
>What went wrong?
one of the bigger problems is the absolute dogshit uniques. 95% of them are pure trash, not even worth using for leveling. almost 99% of all rare drops are also garbage. rather see a magic or white nowadays than a rare because you can hit it with a perfect trans + aug and get lucky with t1 mods.
Anonymous No.723275254 [Report]
Poop Of Excrement II
Anonymous No.723275308 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
>what went wrong?
they let minorities in
Anonymous No.723275586 [Report] >>723277847
>>723274871
>95%
More like 99%. And yes, Crafting is so stupidly OP though I wouldn't say rare are useless cus you can reconstruct. Just need Rare with T1 which you need.
Also not sure why helmet and armor T1 give you 18% chance to work while everything else is like 3%. Making perfect helmet and armor is EASY while rest is stupid hard.
Also Quivers crafting is so broken you have 100% chance to craft perfect quiver. The only rolls are if it's T1. It's so stupid
Anonymous No.723275964 [Report] >>723276669
>>723268649 (OP)
Trading.
Anonymous No.723276116 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
Gay furry pedo v-tuber kpop enthusiast tranny chaser makes all balance decisions on "vibes."
Anonymous No.723276273 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
sperg playerbase that refuses to use WASD
Anonymous No.723276438 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
One half of the playerbase wanted brain slush zoom zoom whoosh bang haha loot, the other half of the playerbase wanted shitty top down dark souls
GGG tried to appeal to both audiences at once
Anonymous No.723276509 [Report]
>>723270993
Well, they dug that grave for themselves by being absolute fucking trash at balancing the game but continuing to expand the complexity.
Anonymous No.723276645 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
Nothing really, yeah the devs are shitting the bed every league so far, but they're also learning that the playerbase will straight up quit if they don't make a good game
Right now the game is in pretty good shape, it still needs massive attention though, the atlas has nothing, the tablets barely do anything, rarity system needs to get reworked and the campaign is way too long
Anonymous No.723276669 [Report] >>723277741 >>723278427
>>723275964
>not Self Found League
>playing the Bot Boomer way
grim, i care about my characters and my drops. Progression is cool when actually earned even if it's random
Anonymous No.723277134 [Report] >>723277759
>>723268649 (OP)
Them copying the endgame from Poo1. The game is great in the campaign. Goes to shit the instant you hit endgame.
Anonymous No.723277178 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
NO TEMPLAR
NO BUY
Anonymous No.723277614 [Report] >>723278372
>>723268649 (OP)
>What went wrong?
People who wanted PoE1 with better graphics yelled loud and nonstop until GGG said fuck it and catered to them to shut them up. So now the game exists in a bipolar state of the base of it being the slower and more methodical combat the devs wanted but all the systems built on top of it being the zoomy zoom zoom one button screen clear no thoughts head empty that every single streamer rallied their audiences to ask for.
The game needs to focus on one or the other and rework the half that it doesn't want to be anymore, because having no identity in design will please absolutely nobody.
Anonymous No.723277741 [Report]
>>723276669
Drop chance of relevant rares and uniques is so low that SSF sounds like suffering desu.
If there's anything I wish PoE would learn from other ARPG's is just stealing Epoch's crafting system.
Anonymous No.723277759 [Report]
>>723277134
/thread
Anonymous No.723277847 [Report]
>>723275586
recombo is the ultimate fuck you machine. if you're some kinda of luck chad, you might be able to salvage 3x t1/t2 mods and craft off of that but it's like 5% every time. and when it does hit, it picks the shittier base lol.
Anonymous No.723277925 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
It's not even out yet?
Anonymous No.723278372 [Report] >>723278589
>>723277614
People act like poe2 has methodical gameplay but watch any end game build and its the same shit as 1, everyone just one shots mr hands. It's probably worse in 2 desu because the end game bosses dono't have retarded scaling like 1.
Anonymous No.723278427 [Report]
>>723276669
i wouldn't have bothered with poe 2 if ssf wasn't a thing.
>don't have to deal with bot and rmt inflation economy
>don't have to deal with fags playing crafting and trade simulator making 100x more than mapping
>can progress at your own pace, no need to rush
>content becomes challenging again without a deluge of powerful cheap shit
>if you ever want to go back to trade league for whatever reason, you can always convert your character
>every item is earned and making your own upgrades feels like a genuine accomplishment
Anonymous No.723278589 [Report]
>>723278372
>People act like poe2 has methodical gameplay but watch any end game build and its the same shit as 1
Yeah, now it is, but only for lightning arrow Deadeye. Coincidentally, guess what over 88% of the players play in PoE2.
Anonymous No.723278729 [Report]
>>723269552
>dude that dicksucked Diablo his entire life before making that video hates the superior non Blizzard game
Who in the world could have seen that one coming?
Anonymous No.723278819 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
slop genre for bug people
Anonymous No.723279868 [Report]
not enough content and skill balance just feels boring.
Making frenzy/power/endurance from buffs +possible combos into useless unless doing a long ass combo (and the combo is the only way the next spell is worth cadting) is retarded.
Most skills are dumb, long combo buildups or you wait until 50 hours in where you have access to every gem and a shit ton of gear. with a few smattering of broken spells that are just better than the combos due to simplicity.
Anonymous No.723279909 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
EARLY ACCESS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE
Anonymous No.723280002 [Report] >>723287407
>>723268649 (OP)
>just buy more stash tabs good goy
fucking pathetic monetisation. why do people support this predatory behaviour?
Anonymous No.723281248 [Report] >>723281347 >>723285127
>>723268649 (OP)
The game is actually bad. In all respects. It's incredibly amateurish.

>Extremely poor performance, game hogs CPU and not GPU
>Poor performance despite the game being extremely simple, each map is a flat square with monsters that run at you, no different do Diablo 2 or D2R or D4, the latter 2 of which perform much more efficiently
>Loading screens EVERYWHERE, Diablo 2 had less loading screens and it's 25 years old
>Pointless RP animations everywhere
>Level design is godawful, most levels involve a series of narrow linear corridors with window dressing
>Game is visual cancer, enemies are extremely difficult to see at the best of times, then the spell effects basically cover the entire screen in shit, on big maps this makes the performance even worse
>Balance is shite, 99% of the monsters cannot hurt you, then the 1% will kill you instantly with some off-screen attack that is obscured by the blinding spell effects
>Microtransaction store (the cosmetics don't even look good)
>No way to distinguish your own spells from enemy spells, on death effects and other random shit that obfuscates everything to the point where in end game maps you have no idea what is actually happening

This is just a small selection of the things wrong with this game, but the #1 worst thing is this:

The game was sold as having slow, visceral combat, like a mix between Dark Souls and Diablo. In actuality, it's just PoE 1 but with less features. Do not play this turd.
Anonymous No.723281347 [Report]
>>723281248
>>Loading screens EVERYWHERE, Diablo 2 had less loading screens and it's 25 years old
fewer
Anonymous No.723281448 [Report] >>723281582
>>723268649 (OP)
>heh, atleast I'm not a blizzpaypig
Anonymous No.723281582 [Report]
>>723281448
Anonymous No.723281626 [Report] >>723281832
>>723268649 (OP)
>0 gameplay webms
apparently, everything
Anonymous No.723281716 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
chinese investors
Anonymous No.723281832 [Report]
>>723281626
https://youtu.be/k5VLLIbwFBo?&t=114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNv2RHR62Rs

everything went wong
Anonymous No.723283341 [Report]
>>723269457
i do believe the same, they might probably pull the plug from poe2 was clearly a failure they might push it until the actual f2p release and see what happens there but we know the answer already, they are gonna get a huge player count spike for their investor charts once they go f2p it will last probably one season and done.
Anonymous No.723283658 [Report]
>>723269457
Idk why they went so hard on the ruthless vision, it megaflopped in Poe 1
Anonymous No.723284017 [Report] >>723284503
>PATH OF EXILE HELPED ME DISCOVER MY GENDER IDENITY!!
Anonymous No.723284457 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
HAIRED
FUCKING
RETARD
Anonymous No.723284503 [Report]
>>723284017
I look like that and i say that
Anonymous No.723284861 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
>>723268730
>>723268804
>design the game originally around slow methodical combat
>pivot around but don't update shit with minimum attack time like warrior or some monk skills
>level scaling (kekw)
>don't ape poe1-1 with smaller numbers and more of a focus on mechanic difficulty like in Dark Souls
It's basically just a bunch of scrapped design ideas. Remember when rares were supposed to be unique-tier monsters but not full on bossfights? and now they're just giga-juiced normal mobs with 6 or more mods on them that all kind of suck to fight. PoE fixed so many of these issues but GGG refuses to learn from their own mistakes. 0.3 was improvement from 0.2 to be sure but it's still bogged down by the same balance issues and schizophrenic design between methodical combat and the
>I MUST CLEAR MAPS IN SECONDS
endgame approach.
Also loot sucks, that has to be the biggest. Quad towers suck, tablets suck, map juicing sucks, rarity on gear is terrible design
Anonymous No.723284913 [Report]
>>723269575
>>723270993
Act 1 is actually so easy now that you can beat it on spells with no levels on it as long as you have level appropriate gear. Act 2 is some bullshit though, Jamanra is a slog without strong skills
Anonymous No.723284974 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
The game isn't finished yet.
Anonymous No.723285021 [Report] >>723286436
>>723274871
dogshit uniques are on purpose in EA. They're balancing them poorly to see what sticks out as powerful or weak and then move then to a more appropriate base/numbers. EA is just slow so it'll be dogshit uniques for a year or so
Anonymous No.723285127 [Report]
>>723281248
>hogging CPU is bad
retard, hogging CPU is required. GPU is for graphics, CPU is for maffs, and the game is mostly maffs
>poor performance
thirdie detected, the fuck? Game runs fine. I even ran it on my old potato with a 1080ti and a 9700k and it ran fine.
Anonymous No.723285623 [Report] >>723286129 >>723289519
>>723268649 (OP)
Chris Wilson the main director behind it all left the company and told the second in charge to go fuck himself and make your own game, to which; Jonathan did.
Jonathan is a fat loser retard that knows nothing about video games and that's why he created this pile of stinking Indian mess.

Anyone saying POE2 is good are shilling because they got baited into paying 30 bucks for a hot pile of turd
Anonymous No.723285790 [Report]
>>723269473
if poe suppoe to be slow doe
Anonymous No.723286129 [Report] >>723286439 >>723286558
>>723285623
Poe2 is good though, I think it's the only ARPG I've ever played where the campaign is fun. If they could just unfuck the endgame, finish the game, and actually balance it, it would be 10/10. The crafting this last patch was really cool too.
Anonymous No.723286362 [Report]
>hello saar plz buy my divines
>diablo bad
>every stash tab you buy just sticks it to blizzard
Anonymous No.723286436 [Report] >>723286675 >>723288358
>>723285021
there's no reason they can't do the reverse. make them strong and whatever is truly op can be nerfed before ea ends. i recognize a good majority of the uniques from original poe but heavily neutered. they're acting so fucking scared when now is the time to experiment.
Anonymous No.723286439 [Report]
>>723286129
>it would be 10/10
No one cares about you shilling, Muhammad
Anonymous No.723286558 [Report]
>>723286129
>the campaign is fun
now I know you're baiting with this shit
Anonymous No.723286675 [Report] >>723287737
>>723286436
>make them strong and whatever is truly op can be nerfed before ea ends
Do you know what people's reactions to any nerfs to anything whatsoever is? If you make everything overpowered first to tone down later, your game will get a majorly negative review score on steam no matter what.
Anonymous No.723287109 [Report]
I don't think anything went particularly wrong, it was just too successful for it's own good and trying to cater to too many different types of people. They were trying to cater to a mix of current PoE1 players, original PoE1 players 10 years ago, their own internal vision and players who don't even like ARPGs. It was just unpolished/finished and not in an offensive way, it was pretty well fleshed out relative to most early access games but it was marketed as finished somewhat and in comparison to PoE1's level of 'content' that was surprising. I think it will get there and I think the core of the game is slightly better than PoE1 and always slightly distinct from it but it's funny how the game is becoming more and more like PoE1 and less like their vision with every patch.
Anonymous No.723287226 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
I'll reserve my judgement until 1.0 comes along. So far it seems like they are just taking full advantage of it being early access and experimenting a ton.

This method is going to seem shitty in the moment, but hopefully the end product will mean the entire tedious and annoying process was worth it.
Anonymous No.723287407 [Report]
>>723280002
The game will presumably be f2p at release like poe1 but it's essentially just a free trial, you need a few stash tabs so the game is really $60 to play in a fair way, hardly predatory when most games don't even let you have a free trial.
Anonymous No.723287560 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
Classes don't really interact there are no mechanics and very few unique behaviors from enemies so comboing anything is pointless you still end up dumping into 1-2 abilities making kits or building kind of useless but to optimize damage the gem system is trash the classes themselves don't feel fun to play on their face spamming the same 1-2 abilities. If they wanted to make an interactive game classes would all have unique mechanics that directly interact with enemy mechanics creating a nice sandbox for people to add some number autism on top of. We wouldn't need to cater to people who want an afk gacha game because people would regularly log on to play the fun variety of missions. There should be multiple modes to play to earn things and fun activities for cosmetics. If any studio wants solid income they should add an optional cheap subscription that gives people cosmetic currency for logging in.
Anonymous No.723287704 [Report] >>723288654
>>723268649 (OP)
I haven't played the game but it doesn't look very interesting
>Blood mage but there aren't any blood spells
>Time mage but there aren't any time spells
>Like 3 different warrior classes that all use maces and look mostly the same
>Story isn't done
>Endgame is grinding in an infinite procedural map until you get bored?
Anonymous No.723287737 [Report]
>>723286675
they already nerf shit between patches. that's not an excuse. and most people only care about seasonal leagues, items included. as long as they're plain and clear about their methodology with balancing uniques, gaymers will deal with it. as or right now, it's just 95% pure garbage which makes for boring ground loot.
Anonymous No.723288090 [Report] >>723290484
Poe2 is better than Poe1 there i said it
Anonymous No.723288358 [Report]
>>723286436
>make them strong
kek, Jonathan would never
Anonymous No.723288654 [Report] >>723288794
>>723287704
>Endgame is grinding in an infinite procedural map until you get bored?
What alternatives are there for an endgame in an ARPG (or any genre really)?
I think PoE2 has less of an aimless endgame than most, it takes over a hundred hours to get to a pinnacle boss then dozens more each time you want to fight one.
Anonymous No.723288794 [Report] >>723289891
>>723288654
PoE pretty much has a perfect endgame
>get to run the tilesets and content you want
>only takes a couple of hours to farm up to pinnacle/uber content
Anonymous No.723289519 [Report]
>>723285623
This. It all went to shit when this fat retard took over and he let poe1 go a 1 year long league even after they promised leagues would never last more than 4 months.
He's a fucking retard and flipping mcburgers would be a job too good for this cunt
Anonymous No.723289891 [Report]
>>723288794
That does sound like a problem with the game being unfinished, although that doesn't mean the game isn't bad yet.
>get to run the tilesets and content you want
I imagine this will be worked on, maybe like continents with customisable maps and a better atlas tree.
>only takes a couple of hours to farm up to pinnacle/uber content
I imagine this is largely a product of a lack of content in general, once there is more uber content you can rotate between the different ones more frequently. PoE1 was like this 8 years ago
Anonymous No.723290281 [Report] >>723291032
Is poeg the worst general on vg or are there bigger tardpits?
Anonymous No.723290484 [Report]
>>723288090
i like it overall better. then again, the last time i played poe 1 was with uber elder ages ago, so maybe it improved significantly too.
Anonymous No.723290924 [Report]
For me
>going back to town does not instantly heal you, you need to touch well
Anonymous No.723291032 [Report]
>>723290281
poeg is pretty shitposty but tame. you should see xivg and the mmo generals.
Anonymous No.723291074 [Report]
>>723268649 (OP)
I don't really play these game but it looked cool so I bought thinking early access meant like 2months from release not 2 years...

Regardless I seriously cannot get past 2hours of gameplay I've tried 3 different characters and I fall asleep every time, this shit is dead ass boring, worst 80$ of my life lol
Anonymous No.723291116 [Report]
ive played poe for 15 years now and i like poe2. the only big problem with it that i have is the end-game. it'll take several years worth of new league mechanics and balancing to bring it up to poe1 levels.
Anonymous No.723291248 [Report]
Someone who doesn't play many videogames got the main game designer role.
The fat dude who's second in charge I believe is ok, but the main, evil looking dude is 100% non-gamer, I'm completely sure that he's only played diablo 2 and dark souls.
And since he's evil looking, he probably doesn't even engage in discussions about his decisions.