Thread 723425609

>>723425609 (OP)
Just put your 32 thing in offline mode

>>723425802
Won't matter because you don't actually own your steam games and won't be able to play them if offline.

>>723425871
Don't be such a fucking retarded shitposter. You'll never actually own any video game unless you're a multi millionaire or make it yourself and if it's not an online only game, then you can play it in offline.
Like jesus christ. Are you a fucking baby

>>723425609 (OP)
Who the fuck uses a 32 bit machines anymore? Even Windows Vista supported 64 bit so the hardware was already available 20 years ago. If you are still using 32 bit system then you should probably reconsider your life choices.

>>723426209
64 bit machines introduce latency due to the larger instruction size and make for a shit tier gaming experience. Most 64 bit instructions are used to send telemetry back to Israel anyway. Enjoy your lag!

>>723425609 (OP)
>32-bit
These are the same third worlders who complain when a VN won't run on their beige office PCs from 1997.

>>723426145
Here comes the disingenuous arguments

>>723425609 (OP)
i bricked my pc and dont know what to do
i moved my ssd to a new pc and the user permissions got fucked
i tried to make a new account but the windows gui wont load anymore and just is a blank screen
i try to go to recovery mod but my mouse and keyboard wont work so i cant select anything to reinstall windows.

>>723425609 (OP)
Where do you even buy 32 bit systems after 2010?

Who the hell uses 32-bit systems?

>>723426209
I recently updated my Steam game to an engine that dropped SSE 4.2 extensions. This was on every mainline CPU sold after 2011

Some Russian guy wrote a post saying they couldn't play anymore because of it. They were still rocking a AMD Phenom II X6 1075T which was released fifteen years ago. There are posters on /v/ younger than that

People seriously need to wake up about the performance drawbacks of 64-bit gaming. Everyone mindlessly repeats “ HURR DURR 64-BIT IS FASTER” like it’s some universal law, but that’s just marketing from CPU vendors. In reality, 64-bit architecture introduces unnecessary latency and overhead, especially in gaming.

Think about it logically:

64-bit instructions are literally larger than 32-bit ones. That means more data has to move through the CPU pipeline per instruction. More data = more cycles = more lag. This is basic computer engineering. Games don’t benefit from 64-bit precision. Does your game care about addressing 18 quintillion bytes of RAM? No. It needs fast physics and render loops, not memory bloat. Cache pollution is another issue. 64-bit pointers are twice the size of 32-bit pointers, so they take up twice as much cache space. That means more cache misses, which means stuttering and FPS drops. But yeah, sure, "64-bit is better." Okay. Most games don’t even come close to using 4GB of RAM per process, and before you say "B-BUT YES THEY DO HAVEN'T YOU EVER TRIED PLAYING XYZ FOTM FRIENDSLOP GAME??? IT USES 64 GB OF RAM!!!", consider that devs are just lazy now and compile everything for 64-bit because “why not,” ignoring the raw efficiency of 32-bit binaries. Don’t even get me started on bandwidth waste. Every memory read pulls twice as much data when using 64-bit instructions. That overhead adds up, especially in multiplayer games where latency matters. I’ve literally tested this myself. Recompiled one of my indie games from 64-bit to 32-bit and gained 14 FPS on the same hardware—no code changes. Same logic, smaller instructions, less CPU strain. Boom. More performance.

>>723426524
You basically have to get a whole new license. Either buy (lol) or pirate a new license/copy. MS keeps going back and forth on their Ship of Theseus stance.

>>723426524
>i moved my ssd to a new pc and the user permissions got fucked
you just dropped it into a new machine as the boot drive??

>>723426342
Apparently the fucking flash is on /v/ and can feel the difference

>>723426726
would resetting my mo to factory fix the keyboard and mouse not working in windows recovery

>>723426824
yes im retarded and did that

>>723426724
any data oriented system that cares about cache coherence will use 16 or 32 bit indexes into arrays instead of pointers so that point is moot. everything else in this bait copypasta is complete nonsense.

>>723425609 (OP)
>32 bit
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>723426996
>any data oriented system that cares about cache coherence
name one game

>>723426524
The license is saved in your mobo. Save .iso to your usb stick and install it again.

>>723426937
and you didn't think that a drive from an old pc with a completely different hardware conifg with windows loading and using all the drivers for that machine would just work on a new machine with a completely new hardware config and different drivers?? you quite literally made your pc into a poor deranged schizo that doesn't know what the hell is happening.

>>723425609 (OP)
>3rd party client independent of your OS
>Is kind enough to make compatible with your bad decisions
>your bad decision tells the world it won't be getting updated
>3rd party client is kind enough to let you know that their continued updates won't account for the stagnated bad decision
>WTF THEIF!!
pls remind me to block this website from my internet service, the ppl are so retarded I just get angry which ruins the rest of my living experience

How about stop being a poorfag and get a better rig.

>>723427138
i know i figured that out soon
its like the user moved and cant remember that he was the previous guy as his mail gets forwarded to his new adress

>>723426724
>game requires more than 4GB of ram
ACK!

>>723427256
Ok boomer

>>723427309
Optimized games, i.e. games worth playing, do not. I will not be installing a 64shit OS

>>723427260
well at least your machine is far from 'bricked' you just have to get your important data off the drive so you can flatten and reinstall

>>723427138
tbf it still worked until gog galaxy was having issues writing to the registry an starting and i made a new admin account to see if could just move everything to it
but somehow that busted the desktop ui from working

>>723427379
Cool. And?

>>723427460
And I wanted to create this thread to bait tech illiterate people, but you assholes ruined that.

>>723427460
Nothing that concerns you, enjoy your slop

>>723425609 (OP)
Oh SHIT!! My Pentium 3 system won't be able to use Steam anymore!

>>723426571
wrong question. it's because Win11 doesn't have a 32-bit version. and steam already announced they will be dropping support for Win10, so this is basically n/a for windows. similarly, 32-bit mac was already dropped last year. so, this news is really only applicable to linux.

>>723426484
>you can't play it offline
>yes you can
>disingenuous
Why are you ignoring the actual important part? Try putting Steam on offline mode, play a game, you can fucking do it but everyone here pretends you can't.

>>723425609 (OP)
>>723426209
Does that mean Steam sill support stuff like ARM, RISC-V, and Snapdragon more? Those only support 64 bit. Someone should send Valve different SBCs such as Raspberry Pi 5s, Orange Pi 5s and 6s(all variants), etc. since those have those parts and staff at Valve should experiment each one and see which SBCs work best on Steam plus games since SBCs support Windows and Linux.

>>723428202
you can run steam on a microwave, its what your games will run on that matters

>>723428097
Anon if a game requires updates then it's not possible in offline mode OR actually being offline.
Trust me I've been trying to get Steam to work on my Vista laptop but the game won't launch because it needs updates first which isn't possible.

>>723426209
I do because I have 16-bit games I regularly play which won't run on 64-bit Windows, and emulation / virtual machines are always inferior to directly running on the hardware.

>>723426582
>Who the hell uses 32-bit systems?
According to Steam's latest hardware survey: 0.03% of their Windows users, at most.

>>723425802
You can just steamcfg disable client updates and still receive game updates

>>723426209
why do you need to remove support for older systems?
what a cope response you are, like a little faggot cop saying "if you have nothing to hide then why do you have a problem with us searching you" faggot, you are the one dropping support for no reason

>>723427662
You have to be 18 to post on this site.

>>723429246
Heard that WineVDM has basically perfect performance.

I don't know what that means therefore it doesn't effect me

>>723429557
>why do you need to remove support for older systems?
I think the reason is Chromium, right? The Chrome browser has dictated a lot of things that Valve has been forced to leave behind.

>>723430374
The obvious solution would be to have a Chromeless "Steam-Mini" program which is just for downloading, updating, and launching games, and tell those users to use the Steam website for buying games or using community features. Except that wouldn't let their algorithm shove featured games sales in your face when you open the program, and they can't have anything which puts a step between consumers and spending their money.

>>723429727
I'm 81. I'm on my dead bed posting my last shit posts.
I had a good life.

>>723425609 (OP)
Wasn't the last version Windows XP SP2? I remember upgrading to SP3 for 64 bit support in like 2005.

>>723425871
>won't be able to play them if offline.
But I can? I have an entire PC dedicated to storing ~100 small, old games that mostly run through Steam, it's been in offline mode since 2015 or so and been working ever since, although I only boot it up twice or so a year.

>>723425609 (OP)
I'm 100% sure that only .0001% of Steam users are still on 32 bit operating systems.

>>723430952
They're so few, they don't show up on the survey and there's more MacOS users

>>723429424
>giving surveys to steam
they pull too much data from you.
I've never given them any survey data because of it, greedy fucks.
t.win7chad.

>>723430287
sex

>>723431556
isn't windows 8 still supported by steam "officially" still?
also fuck you jannies you fucked the captcha again

>>723425609 (OP)
>32-bit
surely you're not running 32-bit in 20 and 20 and 5 right anon?

>>723425609 (OP)
#thirdworldproblems

>>723425609 (OP)
Why? They are a billion dollar company and can't even have their own browser renderer in Steam...

64 bits...

IT' S 2025 ALREADY, DO YOU GUYS NOT HAVE 64 BIT CPUS?!?!?!

>>723425871
When has that stop piracy???

>>723431728
It's guaranteed to be automated and if you can opt out I bet most people don't know about it, less do it, and Steam collect your stats before you opt out anyway.

>>723432076
it asks for your data, then shows it will pull all the fucking data, not basics of what hardware and OS you use.
You can just tell them to fuck off at any time.
>bu-but they still get your data and use it
then why even ask for it in the first place?

You'd have to be rocking Win98 to still be on 32-bit OS. Or maybe WinXP still had a dual-option for either 32-bit or 64-bit install. But basically any PC or laptop made this millennium has come with 64-bit OS.

>>723429557
32bit is hard capped at 4gb of RAM. Which limits the amount of modern bloatware that can run on your old system. You either download more ram or suffer anon.

>>723431849
Probably also so miniscule that it doesn't show up. There's just a handful of Win7 hardliners that stay on Win7 specifically.

>>723430287
32 bit is limited to 4gb files, 64 bits limit is so high I haven't seen anything complain about the file size and I can't be bothered to look it up.

Why are you running 32 bit anyway

>>723432231
Windows 7 had a 32-bit version.

>>723432440
10 also has a 32bit version but it is borderline unusable

>>723426724
lmao, good one

>>723426724
just die already, boomer

>>723431934
x86-64 has been a thing for 20 years, I don't know where people are getting 32bit desktop CPUs

>>723429246
>he doesn't know that running 16bit in 32bit is already a virtual machine
it's x86 protected mode - it's virtual machines all the way down idiot.
You aren't running in real mode.

>>723432249
PAE allows more than 4GB of RAM, you're still limited to 4GB per process, but 32bit w/PAE CPUs did 36bit (64GB) then later 40bit (1TB)
Everything except client versions of WindowsNT and Win9x supported it (win9x couldn't support it)
Windows NT supported it fine, but client versions were limited to 4GB since certain device drivers (CREATIVE LABS, FUCK YOU) would crash the kernel if called to access memory outside 4GB. Windows Server supported it fine and wouldn't install client multimedia drivers to ensure that never happened on a server.

Thank Creative Labs for the 4GB limit on Windows2000/XP.

I haven't used 32 bit since XP

>>723432529
exists just for netbooks
only absolute morons install it on a regular pc

>>723426724
You're right, but also wrong since long mode adds a bunch of 'cool shit' like calling registers (and double the amount of registers) and proper shared library support so you don't waste 3 cycles every time you reference something outside the running code.

Long Mode > Protected Mode for those reasons alone.
But you're still right that doubling the register length is slower and wasteful if you don't need it (almost nothing really does) and you end up wasting a bunch of ram and L2/L3 cache too.
Check out x32 ABI for linux - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X32_ABI

It's Long Mode basically restricted back to 32bit, still has the drawback of 4GB per process - but everything else is there and you don't have the waste.

>>723425802
He can't because he isn't using 32bit Windows. Nobody is.

>>723426145
>>723425871
This has never been tried in court. A company saying retarded shit in some retarded text document is not gospel. You can stop worshiping them.

>>723431728
>they pull too much data from you.
No they don't. You'll see exactly what they are gathering when you do it.

>>723434305
yes, and having info about every single program installed on my computer IS TOO MUCH DATA YOU FUCKING FUCKS!
you can get my hardware, and my OS, END OF LINE.
YOU CANT THEN SAY
>oh and also, we will take all of your programs as well, no you can't decline this part.

>>723426627
Did you provide him with a beta branch with the previous version?

>>723432147
Then I am wrong

>>723425609 (OP)
Steam already doesn't support WinXP anymore, and that's pretty much the only OS it will affect. Anybody still running XP has had workarounds for fucking years.

grug brainlet here, what is the significance between 32 and 64? Why does this matter?

>>723437650
32 old
64 'new' (released 1999, 26 years old)
supporting both costs more money
more money out bad
32 no more bring money in
64 bring all money in
32 cost money, no money in, no more 32.

>>723437650
It's about how numbers are represented. Are integers 32 or 64 bit long by default. Means you can store larger numbers or address more memory (that is more than 4GB) among other things. The 64-bit CPU architecture also has many more features in general because it kept being developed. Every machine made this century has been 64bit and anyone insisting windows dropping support for it is a bad thing is baiting or schizo.

>>723425609 (OP)
you all knew what you signed up for, all those years ago.

who the fuck still on 32 bits like what the fuck

>>723426209
It just works ok? Why would I use win64 when win32 works just fine?

>>723439350
Turd worlders who found their way here. I guess the ad money is worth letting them shit up the place.

>>723437984
They have the deploying of the steam win32 binaries already automated, it costs zero money. There's zero excuse to remove support for it when your core tech (chromium) still supports it.

>>723427953
Windows 10 having a fucking 32 build was absurd. Try to run that shit with 4gb of RAM.

trolling aside steam sells games that were programmed to run on windows xp. if you are old enough maybe you were using windows xp when you bought them. you shouldn't lose access to games that worked on your machine when they were made and worked on your machine when you bought them just because valve decided to drop compatibility from their drm platform.

>>723433765
This is the coolest thing I've read on /v/ in the last month.
Also explains some issues 20 years ago when I tried to run Windows server on a Dell XP which definitely had a sound blaster card... Explains a lot of BSODs.

>>723429424
>installing Steam on a server OS
but why tho

>>723440924
Literally just use a modern computer to download the package data and copy the data to the old OS and run the installer then on the old PC

I was doing that truck until I bricked my steam on my old Win8 machine so this next week I gotta build a new PC because I'm due for it anyway

>>723441162
People who run probably two user accounts, one for server and one for client
They probably use steamcmd for the server acct and steam on the user/client account in case they maybe want to briefly game, even though that's stupid from a security standpoint

>>723425609 (OP)
Even literal favela monkeys have modern computers at this point so if youre still using 32 you can fuck off even more than them

Its ridiculous actually. Its retarded that people defend valve on this. You can't play a physical copy of Half Life 2 on period hardware with windows XP without pirating because of steam, that's fucking stupid.

>>723441162
Some games have a server application that you can download directly from steam and it's simpler than other ways

>>723441467
you haven't been able to install a version that resembles the 2004 release since like 2007, they changed it drastically

>>723434246
you think software licenses have never been tested in court?
you agree to the terms, they can enforce the terms. people have been successfully sued for violating GPL for example

>>723441467
You have to draw a line somewhere. They shouldnt have to raise prices for everyone else just to be able to cater to less than 0.01% of users. Nobody in this thread would actually be directly affected by this, you just have autism and have a melty at every possible opportunity, and thats a you problem.

>>723425871
1) you can apply a no-steam patch to most of your games if its such a big deal to you
2) you can always install linux

>>723441467
My GOG copy of Half-Life 2 still runs on XP.

>>723429557
Same reason why almost no dev supports linux distros: it costs a lot of time and money for less than 1% of their user base. It's not worth the hassle.

>>723441234
The games work on modern PCs. OP is a faggot, as always.

>>723425871
This. PCùcks never should have given up physical media.

>>723443085
>GOG copy of Half-Life 2

>>723426724
>t. never passed computer architecture and digital logic design in college