Thread 723573035

Just watched a Watchmojo video about top 10 games with BEST turn-based combat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB8nnGa3i-I

- Octopath Traveler 2
- Honkai Starrail
- Pokemon
- Dragon Quest XI
- Marvel's Midnight Suns
- Shadow Hearts: Covenant
- Final Fantasy X
- Persona 5 Royal
- Baldur's Gate 3
- Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

Thoughts? Whats YOUR top 10 anons?

>>723573035 (OP)
Bump?

>>723573035 (OP)
Troubleshooters for me is the best just because of how neat the AT system is and how deep character building gets.

>>723573035 (OP)
I like Golden Sun and Earthbound

>Honkai P2Wrail
nah
>P5R
the same shit that is in every other Persona and SMT game? or does Royale with cheese do anything different?

>>723573035 (OP)
Panzer Dragoon Saga. It's ATB but with a positioning system, with shifting danger zones to maneuver out of while going for enemies/bosses' weak points.

>>723576103
ATB is fucking garbage

>>723573035 (OP)
>Pokemon

>>723576218
Pokemon is the best one

There are ZERO good turn-based combat systems.

ZERO.

They are merely a means of adding a gameplay loop to jap stories.

>>723576530
Play a /gsg/ game

>>723576779
Map painters are boring. The only one I've ever enjoyed is Rome: Total War. Which, of course, has real-time battles.

>>723576530
>gameplay loop
please stop saying this retarded shit

>>723573035 (OP)
>Watchmojo
Thank you for free ad, goyim.

>>723573035 (OP)
Missing SaGa Emerald Beyond which is the best. The list is trash.

>>723576530
Heroes of Might and Magic 3 is absolute ludokino

>>723575685
This and yakuza 7 and 8. Dos games aren't bad, but each entry has big flaws, the armor system of two translating to status rocket tag.
>>723573035 (OP)
Too many tranime entries. Pokemon is a classic. Fun fur to plenty of elemental attacks.

>>723577297
That's what it is. Stop being offended by people saying normal things, you fucking freak.

>>723573035 (OP)
The one game to mogs them all

>>723573035 (OP)
CLAIR OBSCURE ISNT TURN BASED HOLY SHIT

Having 4 guys in a line games in the same list as games with full tactical movement like bg3 is stupid as fuck

This is the best RPG that most people never heard of. It's ridiculous how many unique mechanics it has that all work together.

>>723578210
It's just called gameplay retard

>>723578485
Yh tactical turn slop is different from just stationary niggers in a row

>>723573035 (OP)
>shitsona
Lmao

>>723573035 (OP)
>Just watched a Watchmojo video

fucking why

>>723578485
They are all turnbased

>>723578357
then legend of dragoon isn't either

retard

>>723573035 (OP)
Octopath is halfway there, but ff10 had more interaction in its combat. Being able to charge up your moves did a lot to expand an otherwise minuscule movelist

>>723578357
yes it is retard

>>723579146
I don't know why you'd think normalfags know what SMT is..

>>723573035 (OP)
heavy recency bias in this list.

>watchmojo shilling their channel here now

jesus christ

>>723573035 (OP)
Holy fuck people literally do not play games unless it's shoveled down their throat huh?

>>723578357
the fuck are you talking about

>>723578279
>>723577853
Shit story, pretty decent tb combat. They made attacks actually useful.
Apparently they will skip tb and dq for yakuza 9.

>>723573035 (OP)
Into the breach was better than any jrpg and divinity 2 was better than bg3

>>723573035 (OP)
>Marvel's Midnight Suns

>>723578823
Those are two different things, retard.

>>723579650
>tb and dq
What do these terms mean?

>>723578279
the yakuza turn-based games are awful

>>723579927
Turnbased and dragon's quest.
>>723580154
Yakuza 7 has a decent story. You don't like it? It's technically well made. Something very few games claim for themselves.

>>723580154
Filtered

>list video
>no timestamps
?????

>>723573035 (OP)
>oh cool a TB thread
>YT bait

>>723576530
This. What is the Masamune of Troontaria and Chainmal of Dickaderp worth, if you never use it?

>>723578357
How do you figure?

>>723573035 (OP)
>E33 #1
>The countless JRPGs that it has copied are not even mentioned
Jesus Christ. Seriously fuck these retards and their low-effort click bait.

I momentarily considered posting my superior list ,for your edification, but seeing the absolute state that this thread and indeed the board itself is in i reconsidered and instead wish you all die in a freak yacht accident.

>>723573035 (OP)
Here's my top 10

1.Baldur's Gate 3: By far my favorite, just love everything about it
2.Divinity Original Sin 2: Uses an alternative system, although its a little bit worse, its still top tier and very much kino
3.Heroes of Might and Magic 4
I know 3 is the best one, but 4 is my favorite combat wise, i like the spells more and the fact that heroes can fight adds to the battle.
4.Slay the Spire
Although its not very deep, i enjoyed it a lot and it pays off to get a good synergy
5.XCOM2
Great tactics
6.Worms Mayhem
One of my favorites, I used to play this game a lot, its the best worms to me, even better than Armageddon
7.The Temple of Elemental Evil
My favorite iteration of 3.5 edition, shame its buggy and only has combat, would pay 100$ for a remake by Larian
8.Tactics Ogre
It has solid depth and good challenge
9.Jagged Alliance 2
Hilarious game and fun flexibility
10.Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
Probably my favorite FE system

>>723573035 (OP)
>No x-com, classic or firaxis
>No strategy games at all
>BG3 over DivOS 1/2
>No indie games at all
Questionable taste imo

>>723581536
That's recency bias for ya. New thing always better than old thing.

>>723573035 (OP)
>Shadow Hearts: Covenant

>>723573035 (OP)
>No bravely default

Pokemon is the only turn-based RPG with halfway decent strategic elements, though only when playing against another player. Of course, the series is hampered by the fact that the devs didn't actually design the game for competitive play, meaning it's heavily unbalanced, resulting in smelly turbo-autists making up their own rules in an attempt to force it to be VGC viable. Still, the only strategic element that most other turn-based games have is trial and error.

>>723585068
Starrail is way more strategic than Pissymon

>>723573035 (OP)
What a horrible list.

in order:
FFX
FF 13-2
Dragon Warrior 1&2
Wizardry(various)
Dragon Quest monsters
Etrian Odyssey 3
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver
FF7
FF9
Legend of Dragoon

There's no good turn-based videogame. The genre is inherently soulless.

>>723585215
>Use Hyacine
>Win

Yeah, real strategic.

>>723585318
forgetting someone Hyasissy?

>>723585239
>FF9
lol

>>723579650
When did they say it won't be turn based for the next one?

>>723585318
MUH STALL
MUH SWEEP

Fun game

>>723573035 (OP)
>marvelslop
>chinkslop
>bg3
lmaooooooo

>>723585239
>THOSE Final Fantasy of all options
>EO3 of all the different EOs
>HG/SS of all Pokemon games

I'm going with none

no monster, demon , or god will wait for you to hit it first

there should be some kind of speed timer.
ff7 rebirth combat is better than elden ring even if the bosses are worst

>ctrl+f
>stick of truth, 0 matches
crazy how underrated it is.

>>723585239
>FF9, much less any ATB game that isn't Parasite Eve or FFX-2
>literally any 13 game
Anon the list is for best combat systems, not worst changes made to abysmal dog shit ones

>>723573035 (OP)
Man can't you at least fit XCOM in your garbage list?

>Honkai Starrail
>The game where you have no combat options outside of what character with 1 ability that you bring with you
>BEST turn-based combat

>>723573035 (OP)
>Honkai Starrail
>Latest update has a paid character that can basically defeat any boss with any resistances
This game has become so shit it isn't even funny to watch, holy shit...

>>723573035 (OP)
falling for gacha slop implies a 2 digit IQ
opinion discarded

>>723585819
If i'm being honest ff 13-2 is the best battle system of any FF game and im tired of pretending it isn't.

>>723586428
wouldn't go that far but i do think 13-2 is the most underrated game in the franchise

The best turn-based games are the one I have the most fun with.
The opinions of some roastie don't concern me

>>723586493
i love monsterslop and it had endgame. The classes were also quite refreshing to play in psuedo real time with autoslop combat. PS3 at least had some innovation before the industry started pushing remakes.

>>723586493
Hold on man, I've been interested in 13-2 for a while, but everywhere I look, I see people having technical issues with the game crashing or not booting at all.
Has this been fixed?

>>723573035 (OP)
pokemon and DQ have basic battle systems. It's their other gameplay systems that make them fun. I would replace them with something like Grandia

>>723586679
i 100%'d it on PS3 and Xbox 360
haven't played it on PC but i know mods to fix it exist on PC but idk how the results are
i was kinda waiting for the inevitable trilogy remaster to play it on PC

>>723576198
So is traditional turn-based combat, but here we are.

>>723586679
I play it on ps3. There have been fixes for the PC version for a while now, I got it running once in like 2014.

>>723586781
>>723586890
oh shit, and the game is often at 5$
and if there's a "remaster" in the work I better get it before they replace it
thanks guys

>>723580727
welcome to 4cuck post 2015

>>723581848
Can't afford an ocean

>>723582232
>The Temple of Elemental Evil
Are you getting the remaster? Is it true that the level cap is 20 now? The black geyser dlc or rather expansion pack seems to make the game actually bearable.

>>723584906
I strongly dislike stagger mechanics
>>723585239
Legend of dragoon has atrocious combat. Only the dragon transform is interesting, albeit badly executed.

>>723585437
In some developer interview they stated a reboot for 9. Much bigger than 8 and neither tb nor brawl. Tone and the like will also change. I was sceptic at first, but eventually tried 7 and I like it.

>>723586428
Why?

>>723573035 (OP)
>Top 10 turn based combat
>Slop
>Slop
>More slop
Undertale would fit right in with that slop lineup

>>723573035 (OP)
I kinda like the Etrian Odyssey series? That's about it

>>723575154
You ever noticed how someone makes an insanely shit thread and no one wants to reply to it, then they just bump it for hours and hours?

>>723586428
it is literally worse than 13 for the sake of "fixing" it and gets completely mogged by LR

>>723573035 (OP)
>dragon quest mentioned
is there a patch or something that removes the stupid written accents for 4 or is my only option to play the original nes game

>>723587942
i didn't even know it was a remaster, i thought they just ported it to Steam

>>723589171
As most remasters it's just ai upscale and a collection of mods. Nwn 1 and 2 got remasters, too.

1. Clair obscur
2. Stick of truth
3. FF13 demo
The only TB combat games I've ever played.

>>723589303
good to know
thankfully i still have the original on cd

>>723573035 (OP)
Star Rail has the WORST turnbased gameplay I've ever seen
>P2W and a vast amount of character progression is locked behind whaling
>Autobattler
>characters have patheticly few functions: Attack, skill, ultimate and passive effect
>characters are simply damage or support, as opposed to more traditional turnbased having Summoners, healers, mages, tinkerers, backline, frontline, thieves, tanks and supports
>Every bossfight follows the same pattern with varying order: call adds, lose hp, refresh adds, wide attack, big single attack
>Attack types don't matter, you can just bruteforce everything, unlike something like finalfantasy where you can only bruteforce things at the very endgame+ (unless it's FFXII, in which you can bruteforce much earlier by knowing where to go for the good weapons)

meanwhile FF tactics isn't even mentioned? that opinion gets slamdunked in to the dumpster

>>723576530
Divinity Original Sin 2
XCOM
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy 10 (early to mid game)

>>723580154
this

>>723580442
locker babies is even more retarded than rubber bullets

>>723580489
getting filtered by shitty combat with zero challenge is a good thing

>>723573035 (OP)
>Phantasy Star IV not mentioned
Grim.

>>723592813
Oh, sure. That it true. I never saw it like that, because lockers are a staple of yakuza games. Kiryu finding red dragon eyes in lockers over the course of 20 years is retarded, too

>>723597485
>Kiryu finding red dragon eyes in lockers over the course of 20 years is retarded, too

that's not canon to the story nor a major tweest you fucking imbecile

>>723597485
retard

>>723582232
You have the right idea but I think you are catering more to the tactics crowd (objectively superior) than the jrpg crowd. 4 niggaz in a line is something a whole generation got oneshotted by

>>723597613
>game mechanics aren't canon
Everything is just a hallucination...

>>723586679
the ms store version works on pc just fine, they never updated the steam release to be that version because of microjews

>>723597698
no they're not canon to the story
kiryu finding shit in lockers has no relation to the story whatsoever

>>723597698
retard

>>723573035 (OP)
I haven't played the entirety of the list, but it seems to me that Dragon Quest XI is out of place and just a nod to the overall popularity/critical reception of the game. It's a good game, but the combat is extremely simple with almost no wrinkles to it at all. Am I missing something here anons? I haven't beaten but almost have.

>>723578650
You rarely need to use it but the fact that you can add hits to your normal attack is so fucking sweet and the animations are cool