Thread 723628093

Why did this video generate so much seethe? The harsh truth /v/ will never admit was that boomer shooters were never good. They all play the same(strafe in circles and keep shooting until enemies die), look like dogshit because they were made 30 years ago, and the only reason people praise them on the internet is because
A) Retarded boomers blinded by nostalgia
B) ADHD Zoomers who fell for y2k meme and thinks fast=good
C) Third worlders and yuropoors who only played them because they were too poor to afford consoles
The multiplayer noomer shooters are even worse, it's just practising bunnyhopping for 1000 hours and grinding aim trainers and hoping you can catch up with boomers who played these dogshit for 30 years and stomp noobs. There's no actual skills involced, like positioning, map knowledge, prediction, and so on. Not to mention it's filled with cheaters.
CoD(when it was good, the OG MWII before it got ruined by SBMM), Battlefield, and Halo are way more superior FPS games

>>723628093 (OP)
>The ack man

>>723628093 (OP)
>it's just practising bunnyhopping for 1000 hours and grinding aim trainers
>There's no actual skills involced [sic]

Nice thread faggot. About as busy as an arena shooters lobby

>>723628224
these are artificial difficulty and not real skill, like how combos need to be grinded for 100s of hours in fighting games(which is why the genre died)

why are these games such a mystery to zoomer?
it's simply just the game that was already there but multiplayer

>>723629384
>zoomer
I'm a millenial, faggot. ADHD zoomies love these ancient slop because they're obsessed with "muh movement" and y2k because muh tranime aesthetics that's why they try to shit up good games like CoD with gay slidehopping bullshit and make it unplayable for normal people like us

Arena shooters are low skill

>Duke Nukem
>Half Life
>arena shooter

>>723629719
CoD has had zoomer movement for over ten years, AW came out in 2014

>>723628093 (OP)
The biggest problem is that arena FPS fags are a loud minority who don't buy or play games. They will find every excuse in the book to not give a game a shot. It's absolutely pointless for devs to ever cater to them.
Same can be said about rts fags.

>>723629895
that's why it's shit, MW 1, 2 and 3 were great games but it's now garbage

>>723628093 (OP)
>rise and fall of arena shooters
>half-life
>duke nukem
>doom
What? None of these are arena shooters

why are millenials so retarded?

>>723630227
Half-Life multiplayer games were arena shooters, fast as fuck and only topped by mods like HL:adrenaline, or Science and Industries. Fucking loved the second one.

>>723628093 (OP)
>CoD(when it was good, the OG MWII before it got ruined by SBMM), Battlefield, and Halo are way more superior FPS games
2/3 of those are gone and the last one just came back after a decade long coma.

>>723628093 (OP)
Doom 2016 was literally just a mix of Quake, Doom and Painkiller and all the console niggers acted like it was the most amazing FPS of all time.

>>723630107
What's so terrible about throwing yourself around the map and shooting faggots? It was kino back then.

>>723628093 (OP)
>way more superior FPS games
Morning sar.

>>723628783
>its not a real skill if you have to physically and mentally grind and practice for it for hundreds of hours to execute it quickly and reliably
>its just artificial difficulty
nigga are your retarded

>>723630452
god damn The Specialists was good

>>723630452
>>723630520
cope movement is noskillz gay shit only sweats and trannies like

>>723628783
>like how combos need to be grinded for 100s of hours in fighting games
Thanks for reminding me why I initially laughed at CoD players almost 20 years ago.

>>723628093 (OP)
I cannot be arsed to watch a 30 min video from a known shill and retard so I asked Grok for a summary.
>The Act Man highlights how these genres overshadowed arena shooters, which began to feel “antiquated” or niche.
Is this guy literally mentally retarded?

>>723630642
>I got filtered
Uh, huh..

Didn't Ackman go to a pride parade with his tranny wife? Buy an ad, faggot.

>>723628093 (OP)
>The Trans Man

I cannot be arsed to watch a 30 min video from a known shill and retard so I asked Grok for a summary.
>The 2010s brought battle royales (e.g., Fortnite, PUBG) and hero shooters (e.g., Overwatch), which prioritized accessibility, team-based mechanics, and evolving metas over arena shooters’ raw skill focus. The Act Man highlights how these genres overshadowed arena shooters, which began to feel “antiquated” or niche.
Is this guy actually mentally retarded?

>>723628093 (OP)
The HL games don't really fit here.

>>723630642
ah, so you're a casual then

>>723630889
if anything the gaming industry shifted from cod-style gameplay to a more traditional fast paced unrealistic style around 2016. in my opinion

anyone wanna duel in qc

>>723630978
Arena shooters had their peak in the late 90s an early 2000s with games like UT and Quake. There is like a 15 year gap between those and Overwatch and PUBG.

>>723630642
>"classic" movement
>check inside
>faggoty 2010s coverslop movement that became due to controllers not being able to have the same sort of freedom that m+kb offered at least in terms of first person shooters
>somehow he has tricked himself into thinking that this is actually good because the cod schema caters to retard consolefags like him
lmao neck yourself faggot

>>723630930
The original Half-Life MP mode was an arena shooter which shows how these arguments are so retarded. The single player mode was more popular but what "killed" the multiplayer mode was that Team Fortress, Day of Defeat and Counter Strike were more popular, all of which were fucking mods for Half-Life.

>>723628093 (OP)
hl2/alyx were not arena shooters why are they using them in the pic?

>>723631779
It seems he was mixing up Boomer Shooters with Arena Shooters.

>>723631779
>>723631836
No. It's because Act Man is a grifting faggot who has never played the games he gets "nostalgia" for.

>>723631779
retard never played arena shooters

>>723631836
hl2 is a modern shooter not a boomer shooter
as for arena there are types like unreal tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vHZcZJTegQ

but also the new doom is a different type of arena shooter since its basically
>you enter an enclosed area (the 'arena') though a one-way entrance
>you fight enemies in it until you defeat them all and then a way to progress opens up.
there are arena segments in HL2 but in doom 2016 that's like 90% of the game

What the fuck even is a "classic arena shooter" in single player? Every old shooter had a maze layout, SP arena shooters are a modern invention

>>723632579
hl1 is a boomer shooter tho

>>723630452
Because Specialists was MADE with that in mind. CoD was never meant to jump into prone then cheat get up quick BS. You should dive, hit ground, then have to push up and commit to it as an action rather than an I HAVE MY GUN OUT AT ALL TIMES thing.

I miss when CoD was more "real" to make speed fucks hate it

>>723632703
hl1 is a modern shooter
DN3D could be considered a boomer shooter

>>723628093 (OP)
I havent watched the video and I havent read a single argument in your post on why they aren't good. Quake, a fantastic game in its own right, is the grandfather to TF2, one of the best video games of all time.

>>723632937
hl1dm shares the same design philosophy as other arena shooters from the time

>>723630978
I have the same impression. Slowing down shooters was only due to the early generations of consoles, and now that everyone and game mechanics advanced, games are going for the faster movement again. A bit unexpected to see speed coming back to FPS, but it's a nice change of pace after all these slow ass cover shooters and what not.

>>723628093 (OP)
>youtube video
>literally who
>e-celeb
>"rise and fall of x"
>topic has been sucked dry for decades
>tranny avatar
>OP's favourite
>buzzwords
/v/ can't get any shittier than this.

>>723629719
>action game
>downplaying the importance of player movement, perhaps THE most important element of the physics
I think you're trolling. 8/10
>>723630107
Dolphin diving will forever be the most beautiful Hail Mary play an FPS shooter can have
https://youtu.be/ZeqKWhlixDc

>>723629786
>Arena shooters are low skill
Ah yes, the auto and aim assisted 2025 FPS hitscan genre is sooo much harder.

Your rstion would be negative in any game without it.

>>723633094
Is SP Quake an arena shooter though? It's not a collection of arenas, it's mostly a mazey game with traps and ambushes and stuff. Doom Eternal is a collection of arenas

>>723632937
if hl1 is a modern shooter so is q2 since it doesn't follow the traditional doom level design and so are games like shogo

isn't it funny how millennials went from demanding faster videogames to hating them right around the time they started turning 30?

almost like some sort of physical change in their body took place?

>>723630302
>Half-Life multiplayer games were arena shooters

half-life mutilplayer isn't the main game, its a last minute addon

>>723633394
arenaa shooters desn't mean the map is an arena dumbass, it's that the gameplay is like an arena where 2+ guys colllect weapons and armour and kill each other

>>723628093 (OP)
none of the games in the thumbnail are arena shooters
it's like saying "here's why white people are bad" and you just show niggers chimping out. What is even the point you're trying to make at that point?

>>723633502
The game being known for its single player doesn't matter. Its multiplayer, deathmatch, is an arena shooter.

>>723633578
i would say doom eternal and doom 4 are arena shooters. their level layout is basically just multiplayer arenas vs mobs that throw fireballs at you. its a bit more accurate than just calling them 'boomer shooters'

>>723633474
>how millennials went from demanding faster videogames
pretty sure those were different people, they're in their 40's now, 360 era cod players never wanted speed

>>723633640
it doesn't matter, the appeal is completely different when its singleplayer

>>723633745
>the appeal is completely different when its singleplayer

wat? i played UT almost exclusively with bots when i was a kid. not all of us had good internet.

>>723633502
its part of the main game you retard, half-life 1 shipped with the multiplayer

>>723628093 (OP)
>boomer shooters were never good
If boomer shooters aren't good, why does Doom have the most active community of any game released 30+ years ago?

>>723633435
i think it's more like a spectrum and not a binary. Q2 was mostly a regular linear shooter. these are typical arena shooters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxymgWFFFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg58T8hA9I4

>enter area
>*autosave*
>door closes behind you/drop too high to jump/cutscene where the way in is blocked
>batch of enemies spawns in
>progression blocked until you defeat all/enough enemies or last X time

they were extremely popular in the early 00s there were fucktons of arena shooters releasing back then

>>723634462
>serious sam
>arena shooter

>>723636084
it is

bump

i saw the act man in the comments of a breadtube pseud e essay about a video game and he had 2 likes. hes so ignorant to everything of course he wouldnt understand no one in such a circle would like him

>>723634462
those are called horde shooters, arena is strictly multiplayer fpses. Serious Sam's multiplayer is an arena shooter too though.

>>723638815
SSam is an arena shooter
if you look at the level design most of it is a series of arenas. you cant just run to the end of the level you have to finish each one.
at this timestamp
https://youtu.be/fg58T8hA9I4?t=636
for example he kills the last enemy of the arena and the door to the next one opens up

in doom 2016 arenas are handled with gore-nests https://youtu.be/TIXjN9haAMc?t=207

I feel like if UT2004 was released today, tuned up, with a huge marketing campaign and hype built up by eceleb shitters, it would rake in money. Gamers may have widespread ADHD these days but they're desperate for good multiplayer fps.

>>723630642
these are controller players who cannot hit a static target without autoaim

For me it was The Duel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTyE7cjDJ8

How come no one has tried to adapt this kind of gameplay?

>>723628093 (OP)
Dont care
Gonna shoot monsters with my shotgun

>>723642510
Man, that's a blast from the past.

>>723639843
this "arena" bears no similarities to level design in quake

>>723644828
quake is a labyrinth/corridor shooter not an arena shooter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHT2TgMX7Rg

it may have an arena or two in the later stages i honestly dont remember. arena shooters came later

>>723645654
>dragon quest is not a jrpg

For me it's ninomae ina'nis

>>723645846
not what i said

They should do an unreal championship 3/remake. The melee combat was neat and it was not that aim heavy. All the characters/races would be good for skins and gatcha. Adding gatcha element systems for the characters/weapons would pretty fun.

>>723646225
>quake is a labyrinth/corridor shooter not an arena shooter

>>723628783
Low IQ.

>>723628093 (OP)
High TTK only works in 1v1 modes, and nobody likes to play 1v1 modes because they don't have anybody to blame for losing but themselves.

Actman is a tourist, simple as.

>>723631516
>Cod2
>Not cod united offensive
Check yourself noob

>>723628093 (OP)
This guy is the epitome of the annoying millennial faggot who thinks he's smarter than everyone

>>723628093 (OP)
why are you shilling your channel here mr cuck man?

>>723628783
These are unironically real difficulty, without any p2w advantage, and that's the issue. The barrier to entry and gitting gud is too high, and it can't be overcone with money. It's the same reason fighting games are extremely niche.

the best arena shooter ever was half life 1 MP
the fact that no game ever copied the tau cannon is a fucking crime, please copy that weapon it was the most fun weapon ever

>>723628093 (OP)
I don't know anything about this man aside from his yugioh video and interview with Farfa where he reinforced the fact that he has no critical thinking skills. I'm going to guess the pattern continues

I have a proposal that will make no-one happy:
Start with Quake 3 (or UT2004, or anything similar).
Instagib mode. No other weapons, unlimited ammo.
No items or pickups of any kind.
Huge, PUBG-style map.
100 player battle royale.

>>723633381
>the auto and aim assisted 2025 FPS hitscan genre is sooo much harder.
Lets see your k/d boomer. Boomers talk but cant prove anything

I wish my 2k4 server was still alive