Thread 723669441

>quit job
>make hit video game
>become a millionaire
How difficult is this?

>>723669441 (OP)
>how 2 devs turned 57k into millions
By appealing to tumblr and China.

>>723669441 (OP)
It's only as hard as making a hit video game is.

>>723669441 (OP)
It was one of the five games on the Switch at launch. I saved you 39 minutes.

>>723669903
>Switch came out in March 2017
>Hollow Knight came out in June 2018
So the Switch launch period lasted over a year?

>>723670089
Pretty much. That thing had no games for a while.

>>723669583
what the fuck is it with you schizos seething over china in unrelated games?
Like there's actual documented instances of big studios getting investment from china yet I always fucking hear about completely dubious instances of smaller studios investment.

This is your fate if you try to make a game.

>>723671886
>china likes games about bugs
heh

they obviously had prior work in the industry that they dont talk about

>>723669441 (OP)
If you manage to shit out a truly great game you will be rich.
If it is just an okay game you are fucked.
Market and especially the most lucrative market (mobile) is flooded with games.

>>723671886
>Sold more per capita in the US
How is that appealing to China in particular?
Also every game on Steam is like that, baka

>>723669441 (OP)
S difficulty back when Notch made Minecraft.
SSS difficulty today.

>>723672062
>Also every game on Steam is like that, baka
No, not really.

why the fuck would i care about some guy becoming a millionaire i just want to have food and shelter guaranteed if i lose a job or struggle with finding one

>>723669441 (OP)
It's extremely difficult and relies on many factors, high amounts of luck being one.
This world is a zero sum game, despite what grifters want you to believe.
For one to succeed, many others must fail, that's all there is to it.

>>723671749
I think I remember hearing that the game sold well in China because it had a pretty competent Chinese translation.
Silksong had Chinese review bombs on launch because they went with different people for the translation and it was all in Ye Olde Chinese

>>723669441 (OP)
You have to make the video game. You also have to market the video game. A truly incredible/lucky game will almost market itself, but there aren't many games like that.

>>723672279
I don't think you realize but this world is a zero sum game.

>>723669441 (OP)
Very

>>723670370
>Breath of the Wild did not exist
also Hollow knight came out in February 2017.

>>723671861
Making games is about marketing, aesthetics of the game and good artwork. Nothing else matters.

See peak, See lethal company, See megabonk, see repo.

It's just the same friendslop/survivor mobile slop yet it makes millions. Normies dont want good games, they want cheap disposable games that make them poorer and the creators rich. They want games shilled by streamers and have funny moments.

>>723671886
>>723672195
While Hollow Knight was not especially made with Chinese in mind, I can see why it would do well there. Unlike many other adventure games, it has fairly universal appeal in its character design.
They are not tied to any specific culture, and different people will project different characteristics into the cartoony bugs.
Also, China has lots of people with access to PC, so it is a huge market.

>>723669441 (OP)
Very easy if you don't have (((bills))) or the need to eat.

>>723672727
>But it had one (1) game!
The point is that people who bought the thing didn’t have many options.

>>723672062
>per capita
China has less purchasing power so you need to adjust for that if you want to be a pedant

>>723669441 (OP)
Survivorship bias. You only hear about the people who made it. For every rags to riches gamedev story there's 20 devs who poured their soul into a game only for it to sell 600 copies.

>>723671886
>>723669583
>made to appeal to china
>the original chinese translation was so terrible that the chinese had to make their own and patch it in

>>723673457
its been 8 years, you need to get over fact that you lost
also george caciappo is a pederast

>>723673251
No, because it's cheap and runs in decade old laptops with no issue, it's THE poorfag's game of choice.

>>723673786
That also helps. And for a single-player game that's not a roguelike, you do get lots of bang for your buck with it.

>>723670089
yeah it did. Rain World also was only successful because it was one of the handful of early switch games.

>>723671886
>tell me you don't know how to read graphs and data without telling me you don't know how to read graphs and data
china having the most players BY country does not mean most players are chinese
it means that when taken individually, there are more chinese players than there are players of any other INDIVIDUAL country.
but it also means that if 23.8% of TOTAL players are chinese, 76.2% of TOTAL players are NOT CHINESE

only a complete retard would see a graph where less than 1/4 of all player are chinese and use it as proof that most players are chinese

>>723673686
Silksong is also getting shit from the chinks about the translation.

>>723675904
forgot the pic

>>723673675
This is the realization that prevents me from trying to make my own videogame. It struck me when I was playing various random sega saturn games "these games are top notch and good by every metric yet nearly all of them are unplayed and forgotten today".

And that was a time when it was much easier to make a hit game because less competition.

Learning to program alone would be a huge undertaking let alone actually making a game and all that for what? So someone on /v/ can shit on it thoughtlessly?

>>723671886
how do some people not understand what "per capita" means? chinks show up in either #1 or #2 in the sales of most games that have a chinese language option because there are 1.4 billion of them. this is not a difficult concept to grasp

>>723678869
It may not be difficult but it very much is beyond the grasp of the average tard

>>723678869
95 IQ post.

>>723679174
kill yourself retard

>>723672392
Luck, and also good art. A lot of indie devs skimp on the art and make games that look worse than a fucking super nintendo game. Those shitty-looking games just don't sell, precisely because they look absolutely terrible. It's just that simple, really. And the games that sell, are all total fucking meme games, like vampire survivors, for example. That game just became popular because of the adhd zoomzoom crowd and the 'ick on 'eck crowd who wanted a justification to actually use that fucking deck thing of theirs.

>>723669441 (OP)
Never ever make games for the sole purpose of earning money. Success is unlikely, and if you try to design your game based on popular trends, the end product may be unoriginal and unremarkable.
Look at Five Nights at Freddy's for example. Its kickstarter made no money, its developer was on the verge of quitting the industry, but he said "fuck it" and released the game anyway.

>>723669441 (OP)
It's a 50% chance. You either make it or you don't.

>>723669441 (OP)
That 60k must have all went into marketing because it sure as hell didn't go into making that game.

>>723678869
amerifats basically think the average chinese person is a shoeless orphan from Kowloon Walled City. they don't actually think the mysterious oriental has any money, so they imply it's a psyop if any money is moving out of china.

>>723680476
Lel, i bet it's even lower than that. Way lower.

>>723678627
You’re not wrong for thinking that way and I can relate but you have to ignore all of that and just go for it. Every successful author, artist, musician, etc. never would have made anything if they let that way of thinking override their desire to create. Lol at caring about the opinion of the swarthy masses of semi-sentient chinless jeets that frequent this place.

>>723680850
Take your meds you schizo retard.

>>723673675
>For every rags to riches gamedev story there's 20 devs who poured their soul into a game only for it to sell 600 copies
Pretty sure those are just shit games
>b-but le SOVL
Doesn’t mean it’s not shit

>>723669719
SPBP
just go for it

>>723669441 (OP)
It is unironically on the same tier as winning the lottery. The gaming market is super saturated. Even if you make a 10/10 game it probably won't get much attention. Don't quit your job and make your game during nights and weekends. If you hit it big, great. If you don't, at least you made the game you wanted to make.

>>723670370
Are you thinking of the Wii U? The Switch had a new game every month the first year. It ended 2017 with Zelda, Mario Kart, Odyssey, Xenoblade, Splatoon, Arms, and Pokken. It had the best launch year of any Nintendo console ever; possibly even any console ever.

>>723669441 (OP)
on top of making a good game, you need to shill yourself relentlessly.

They simply made the greatest 2 games ever made. It's that simple.

>>723680850
600m earn around 200 usd a month. Thats my latte budget.
Funniest they are the most communist of the population.

>>723687173
what do the other 800 million make?

>>723686778
If you make a genuinely 10/10 game it will get attention with even very basic marketing. I trawl through every new steam release because I'm autistic, and you do not see many 6/10 games, let alone 8+/10. Of course making even a 6/10 game is not easy. But to say a 10/10 game will not get attention is pure cope. It's just that very very few people will make a 10/10 game. I do encourage you to link me a 10/10 (or shall we say 9/10) game that got no attention, though.

>>723669903
You fucking stupid mother fucking stupid bitch.

It’s a cool action platformer with a unique aesthetic and solid gameplay. It had enough mass appeal to sell and enough niche appeal to be a fan favorite.

>>723669441 (OP)
It's not hard, as long as you have a genuine friend that believes in you along the way. It's truly the only thing holding developers back: whether or not you have someone that cares implicitly about what you're doing and shows interest in what you're trying to make, let alone actually help you make it.

meh. not that good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVzoNNmSlQ

>>723687450
So I only need my mom to make a good game.

>>723687456
is this you

>>723680006
This, the appearance usually matters a lot and although there are exceptions they're few.

The Balatro dev has a good quote about how something like .01% of indie games become >>723669441 (OP) but you don't see the 99.99% that fail because no one writes articles about those.

The gaming industry is extremely oversaturated, don't quit a stable job to gamble on game dev.

>>723669441 (OP)
Pretty hard, your best shot is to follow trends/restrict yourself to genres that sell well such as roguelikes, survival games or friend slop
Unless you got talented buddies there's a lot of different skills needed to make a good game
You also are subject to many things that can affect your launch, influencers making content on it, other games releasing and the general mood of the gaming landscape

>>723687217
Honestly I couldn't look it up. First we have no idea what China actually produces. There gdp numbers dont correlate with light pollution like everyone else do its probably 10-20% off.
Second its a nation of two people.
>China began implementing the hukou system 52 years ago to reduce the mobility of people and maintain social order. According to the regulation, people's basic rights and social welfare were attached to their hukou. Residents without a local hukou are not entitled to medical or social insurance from local governments and their children are not allowed to attend public school, unless they pay extra fees. The system was helpful before China's opening up and reform, when budgets from the central government were limited. However, it is becoming an obstacle to the country's urbanization as the population of migrants reached 211 million by the end of 2009, according to a report from the National Population and Family Planning Commission of China.
So the wealthiest parts not stollen from Europeans make 30k a person which is wild, but its only the back of these rural peasants. Facism on a whole different level.

>>723687937
China is the new first world. USA could charitably be considered second world tho

>>723678627
Programming isn't the worst part, in general it's not exactly easy to design something from the ground up in general
People oftentimes think something is good, but it misses the mark, it's like making a unfunny joke

>>723687937
Ehh china isn't great but it's not that bad, as someone who has actually been here and there in china. Most of what you're saying is trannylicious progaganda and other nonsense. I wouldn't choose to live there but it's far from "Facism on a whole different level."

>>723672541
>+intrest

>>723687937
>its probably 10-20% off.

It's worse than that, there's a study that used metrics which can be detected from space like lighting usage at night and that estimated that China's actual GDP is 30%-40% smaller than what the Communist Party claims.

>>723688071
What does "actual GDP" mean? Burgerland's GDP is fake as fuck, depending of course on your definition of "fake". China produces a lot of actual shit that everyone needs, like it or not.

>>723671861
At this point, why bother trying to appeal to others? Just make something you're actually going to play

>>723672751
This certainly seems to be the case, which is unfortunate. Even Hollywood and AAA producers know the single greatest impact on profits is marketing and not quality, which is why many movies and big budget games have a marketing budget that almost equals the development/production budget.

Is there anything that could be done about it though?

>>723688024
They very much do control where people can move. Rural cant move to the big city, that is fucking huge. Second I doubt very much you went to the poor provinces, Gansu, Heilongjiang, Guangxi asyou had no reason to? I do know you were in Hongkong, Shainghai and Beiging though...
Also trannys love the CCP you dumb simping fuck.

>>723688156
>t. Poor whos never taken an economics course
Im so tired of having this same argument with you guys. Cash makes everything you say redundant. Real or fake onlyfans thots get paid and can buy a factory any time they want. No one in China is refusing USD becuase its not real...

>>723688398
OK, so what? I saw some fucked up stuff in Shanghai and other places. I also saw fucked up things in the USA and every country I've visited. My point is that your description of China as "Fascism on a whole different level" etc is inaccurate and silly.

>>723688398
Waah there is economic disparity waaah they have no means of transport waaah. Why are you such a bitch nigga? Fat americans will be irrelevant soon.

>>723688524
OK professor, can you answer my question?
>What does "actual GDP" mean?

>>723688546
How do you know, you never saw the other side? Throw in zero democracy and the fact Xis daughter who lives in the US is worth 100m despite her Dad never having been in the private sector, I guess kleptocracy is better?

>>723669441 (OP)
I dont even need millions, i just want to make enough making games to survive.

>>723688593
Thats not a word? GDP is the total market value of all final goods and services produced within a country's borders during a specific period.
Its definitely flawed but when measuring 20 trillion its close enough.
The issue is you think theres real jobs but there isn't, just real money. And ethots and gender studies majors have that, and can buy Chinese factories and land and gold if they have enough money.

>>723669441 (OP)
>How difficult is this?
very
>>723669583
it it was this easy I'd have millions by now and wouldn't wagie while coping by posting on 4chan

>>723673675
I would be happy to sell 600 copies.