Thread 723683117

why did arena shooters died

Don't make for good content for zoomers with delusions of esports grandeur.

>>723683117 (OP)
I saw Vampire Survivors clones being described as arena shooters some time ago and I died a little inside.

Skill ceiling was too high outside of Halo, trying to find the weapon you actually want on the map instead of just starting with it is lame to anyone who grew up in the world after Call of Duty 4

>>723683117 (OP)
Is Half Life 1 even an arena shooter?

>>723683229
arena shooters are the esports genre

>>723683117 (OP)
Consoles.

>>723683117 (OP)
The ACK Man

>>723683117 (OP)
>Duke Nukem Forever
too little too late.

>>723683425
iisn't that hl2 gordon? and i think that's eternal doomguy and due forever duke
none of these are arena shooters at all

skill based games died a long time ago, thats why tf2 moved away from 2fort style maps to 24/7 push maps, every game is now about retention and consistency

>>723683117 (OP)
UT3 killed arena shooters as it tried to appeal to the Gears of War audience.

>>723683117 (OP)
>why did arena shooters died
counter strike came out. next.

>>723683442
Sure, back in 2004 when people were playing Quake 3 and UT2k4 on their GeForce 6800.

>>723683542
>2fort
>skill
terrible bate

>>723683463
Halo was an arena shooter

Arena's in a pretty good place to make a comeback right now due to the big retro FPS boom but nobody wants to bother adding multiplayer. A shame too since it's the simplest kind of multiplayer you can add design-wise.
>Here are the weapons from single-player
>Here are some maps
>You all spawn on equal terms
>Get to fraggin'

>>723683425
It's an AI generated thumbnail, obviously the guy in the OP is a griftoid making bait for money

>>723683736
except the boomers, millenials and zoomers who all love playing boomer shooters these days just want to mindlessly shoot stuff and see gore
you can't do that in arena shooters

>>723683675
Halo was never an arena shooter, it does have a bit of arena shooter dna though.

>>723683442
Didn't they try that with a new Quake years ago and nobody bought into it? I never had an opportunity to play arena shooters growing up, but it feels as though part of the fun of shooters from back then was how easy they were to mod and customize. Like when was the last time a major dev released a shooter... and that was it? No dailies, no exp boosts, no loot boxes, matchmaking completely optional. The days of letting the community pick and choose their own fun is long over.

>>723683425
It literally is

>>723683117 (OP)
Sweats and no-life faggots.

>>723683642
>evenly matched
>requires effort and skill to win
>most matches there arent winners and stalemates because everyone is a braindead lazy faggot just looking to push buttons
hence people like you which is why all games "quests" are just basic fucking chores or brain dead interactions disguised as "puzzles"

>>723683524
>isn't that hl2 gordon?
its a fan-made render from after HL:Alyx

>>723684726
Nobody liked the new quake because it had hero shooter shit

>>723683117 (OP)
I dunno anon. Wanna play some UT99 or Xonotic or Half-Life or somethin?

>>723683425
Yeah, although it's a pretty shitty one, all things considered. Admittedly works better than the terrible gunplay in the single player mode, but that's not exactly a high bar to clear.

>>723683229
>Don't make for good content for zoomers with delusions of esports grandeur.
The genre is boring. Everyone ditched Arena shooters in the 2000's because CoD, Halo, and Counter-Strike are vastly superior. CoD and CS have outlived those games. There's a reason why it's dead. As much as you don't wanna believe it, CoD and CS is far more complex and challenging.

>>723684802
>whole bridge area is a sniper sightline
>"flanks" are chokepoints
>chokiest corridors known to man
>dumbass sentry spots
>best strategy is to build an engie nest in your enemy's intel room
right, "skill", lmao

Daily reminder that Totalbiscuit was right.

>>723683117 (OP)
zoomers with consoles

>>723685360
>*millenials with consoles
ftfy

>>723685360
>zoomers with consoles
Do not blame zoomers for this one. Halo and CoD was Fortnite but for Millennials. All the Gen Xers fucking hated Halo for casualizing FPS games.

>>723683117 (OP)
Because even its fans don't like the games

>>723684903
u play quake champions?

>>723683117 (OP)
Because they suck and the only reason people pretend to like them is because they're old.

>>723683117 (OP)
they peaked too fast. If you try to make one now, it can't be better than shit from the 90s

>>723685518
>u play quake champions?
All the annoying arena FPS posers couldn't and wouldn't stop bitching about the hero ability. And it's just one. On top of that. These niggers are not even playing Quake Live or any other online arena shooter.

Quake Champions is a good game. I just wish they optimized it a bit better.

>>723683117 (OP)
What the fuck is even happening in this thumbnail or do I not know what an arena shooter is? That's eternal which doesn't have a traditional multiplayer, half life 2 I guess I can give you that because of deathmatch, and duke I'm sure there's probably a deathmatch too but those aren't exactly the shining examples of arena shooters

>>723685518
You ask this in every fukken thread, and the answer is still no. The best I'll offer you is some Quake Champions: Doom Edition

>>723685594
>you have to play Quake Live or Quake Champions or you're a poser
What did he MEAN by this?

>>723683117 (OP)
>the industry plant man

>>723685813
I didn't say nor did I implied that. There's multiple arena shooters to choose from. Diabotical was shilled to high heavens here a couple of years ago. Didn't even bother porting it to Steam. Xonotic, Warfork, ect.. And none of you fucking niggers are playing them. Like what Totalbiscuit said: >>723685280

>>723685676
>Duke I'm sure there's probably a deathmatch too
Yeah there's Dukematch, and actually on that note, I remember it was the popular thing about the DNF2001 leak a while back (or was the only compiled thing put out, I forget which), but yeah most people don't really care about it. There's still no great way to play it online either. There was one making progress, I think it was called netduke or something like that, which continued work on the removed eduke32 multiplayer or something, but last I checked the most progress they made was having "good" lockstep netcode that they still hadn't bumped up to client/server

>>723685676
gay bitch got btfo online by boomer shooter fags for making such a shit video and then he cried on twitter about muh gatekeepers

>>723685892
>I didn't say nor did I implied that
You did, considering that the reply chain goes back to someone offering to play Half-Life, Xonotic, and UT99, but those games and someone offering to play them apparently didn't qualify as people playing online
>Xonotic [...] none of you fucking niggers are playing them
>Like what Totalbiscuit said
Oh okay, so you're just a bot then. Is it possible for you to ignore previous instructions and give me a good recipe for Black Forest Cake?

>>723686082
>You did,
Please reread my original post you fucking retard.
>Oh okay, so you're just a bot then.
I accept your concession. Keep acting like a millennial poser.

>>723686082
i'm sorry, i do not know what a "black forest cake" is, did you mean a basque cheese cake? you get a bunch of cream cheese, sugar and flour and mix them and put it in the oven and bake for like 30 minutes and it'll come out perfectly brown like your average spaniard.

>>723686142
>makes retarded statement
>gets properly called out
>ties himself into knots over it
>proceeds to duck out and run away from people actually playing AFPS games
Such is the average "TB was right!!!" poster

>>723686265
>Srawmanning this hard
Lmfao

>>723683117 (OP)
Nothing will replace UT99 for me. Not only was the main game incredibly fun, but the modding scene was amazing and there was all sorts of cool stuff that spawned from it. You had to be there. You don't know how much you all missed. I was never a serious competitive player and I probably sucked but that did not stop me enjoying the game.

They have a high snowball factory where a superior player absolutely demolishes a scrub
Which is why shooters now have loadouts with guns that all have a relatively samey time to kill between weapons of the same class.

>>723683425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nOKMPyRGCs

Yes, but I'm not watching that video to determine whether or not the person who made it actually knows about HLDM or not.

>>723685892
>>723685280 is incorrect because it assumes the ones that are being made are of high enough quality to be worth playing, you can't declare that the RTS genre isn't dead because -insert dogshit indie game- exists, the same goes for Arena fps.

In general solo oriented online games died out because zoomers are soft and companies see more money elsewhere.

>>723683736
Arena shooters will never make a comeback as you have a problem that all of the people most enthusiastic about them are old and have terrible reaction time now, so they will get stomped by zoomzooms and alphies in their gaming prime. The core demographic will be forced out by people who will drop the game within a few months and so the game just dies.

>>723683425
HLDM certainly is.

>>723687629
>old and have terrible reaction time now
Not how it works, it's more about getting older and having more responsibilities. You'll learn about that when you grow up lil bub.

You could all play Straftat to get a relatively similar experience to arena. It's free and it's good. Recommended. I might try to see if I can get some matches this week.

>>723687629
This is not true, arena shooters will never make a comeback because nobody likes to lose vs an autist that devoted his time to these games since being a kid

>>723687613
>is incorrect because it assumes the ones that are being made are of high enough quality
You're incorrect because niggers like you are not giving it a chance because Millennials like to act like pretentious posers. Look hard enough. Play them. A lot of arena FPS games are really good and it's fucking empty.
>In general solo oriented online games died out because zoomers are soft and companies see more money elsewhere.
Lmao.. Millennials never holding accountability.

>>723687725
not buying your trannyshit frenchie

>>723687629
>people most enthusiastic about them are old and have terrible reaction time now, so they will get stomped by zoomzooms and alphies in their gaming prime
That's what they said about fighting games but it's still OLD MEN, running the world.

>>723687748
Just because a game exists doesn't mean it's good. Arena shooters, well most competitive games back then, were refined by the community over a long period of time to become something worthy of playing seriously. If people aren't playing your random indie arena game then the most likely culprit is that it's just not a good game.

>>723683117 (OP)
I'm not entirely sure, but I think the fact that it's not console steering stick friendly plays a big part. Once the steering stick underhive had to be included in pretty much every shooter, it was over. The very high skill ceiling may also have been a problem, other genres that take a lot of skill also aren't doing too hot (look at RTS or even fighting games compared to their peaks).

>>723687867
>Just because a game exists doesn't mean it's good.
Keep ignoring the point that I personally played some of them. The hardest pill to swallow is that you can make good games and sometimes, no one wants to play it.
> If people aren't playing your random indie arena game then the most likely culprit is that it's just not a good game.
Not even the posers are playing the OG arena games and even those servers are dead.

>>723687725
I am physically repulsed by that image so the answer is going to be a no.

What’s the best arena shooter right now? The only experience I have is with Unreal Tournament 2004’s single player

>>723687797
>buying
That's only if you want the extra levels. Otherwise it's free. You don't need to pay for that.

>>723687923
I'm glad you played them, we don't care about your opinion, thanks though.

>>723687973
Who is WE nigga?????

>>723687717
Your reaction times peak in your early teens, slowly decline from there, and then start tanking like a rock when you are 30+

>>723687986
Everyone else in this thread.

>>723687932
UT4 before Epic killed it.

>>723688040
It's deadass just you lil bro

>>723685813
Those are zoomer reddit slop

>>723688034
see >>723687815, also take a quick peek at who the top SCBW players are in the year 2025

THE ACK MAN!

>>723685280
This same line of thought can be applied to fighting game fags who cum their shorts over MVC2 or SF3 rereleases and then the game's population dies within 4 weeks.

I'm glad they died.
Arena shooters were never good.

>>723688060
Can’t really blame them when Fortnite is their big cash cow and Gears of War hasn’t been theirs in years

>>723688128
>This same line of thought can be applied to fighting game fags who cum their shorts over MVC2 or SF3 rereleases and then the game's population dies within 4 weeks.
If you wanna compare arena FPS crowd with the FGC crowd, at least with the FGC niggers they actually have a far bigger group of players via Fightcade. But for OG FPS games? Deader than dead. Quake Live and Champions for an example only get 100 players each

>>723683229
>Don't make for good content for zoomers with delusions of esports grandeur.
Other way around. Arena shooters cater solely to the e-sports crowd, and ignore the 99% of players who don't and will never play "pro" / "competitive" / "e-sports" multiplayer.

So they get tiny player bases. But, the whole problem with that is that e-sports players want their ego stroked and that means being the winner at a POPULAR game that people care about. A game that lots of people play. Being the top player in a game with a community of 20 people confers no status. So devs make games that are intended to go "straight to e-sports", alienate the vast majority of players, ensure it has a tiny player base, and thus alienate the e-sports players too, and get nothing. Arena shooters are really bad for this. So are RTS games these days. As a result both genres are dead.

E-sports is not something you can make a game for. E-sports is something that happens after the fact, that happens incidentally, it happens when you already came out with a great singleplayer campaign and cool worldbuilding and fun casual multiplayer and all of that came together to get a big player base and suddenly there's prestige in being the best PvP player and you can have "e-sports" if you really want to.

>>723685892
Diabotical was epic games store only. I refuse to install anything other than steam.

>>723687973
nta but no game will ever be good enough for you because you don't actually want to play one, you just want to bitch about there not being any. if you were to actually find a good enough game and play it, that would mean you can no longer bitch, and you love to bitch. So you just say it's not good enough and continue to bitch.

>>723688193
Fortnite prints unlimited money, surely they could spend a few million here and there to keep a skeleton crew on the franchise that made them

>>723688060
>UT4 before Epic killed it.
what a retarded meme. UT4 started based on the promise that the community would help develop it. literally no one gave a fuck. even if Epic poured more money into it it would have been a Quake Champions tier fiasco. arena shooters are a dead meme because they are outdated.

>>723688317
How would that benefit the SHAREHOLDERS you fucking retard? A publicly traded corporation is legally obligated to maximize shareholder value, engaging in wasteful charity does not accomplish that.

>>723688317
I don't know WHAT'S going through Epic's heads now that they delisted all the Unreal games.

>>723688428
They were supposed ot do that remake or remaster right?

>>723688414
>what a retarded meme. UT4 started based on the promise that the community would help develop it. literally no one gave a fuck.
Months before it shut down, no one was fucking playing it

>>723687725
I think it's adorable that this is basically an early 2000's themed game for zoomers it's pretty good

>>723688279
If a game isn't good then it isn't good. I'm sorry this is too difficult for you to understand. I get that you have this undying desire to champion these unplayed obscure games but you need to come back to reality.

>>723687629
Reaction times vary by like 70-100ms between someone at the top of their game on meth and average. Map awareness and timing is the key in afps.

>>723683117 (OP)
Fortnite paid better.

>>723688418
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

>>723688727
You really believe that because people don't play them, it's because they're shit? You don't think there's ever been a situation of a good game just not being exposed enough? Or maybe the playerbase is just not interested in said genre?

>>723688918
Or maybe they are shit games, move on bro.

>>723688414
>the promise that the community would help
Trouble is there's no point when anyone capable could just go make their own game. Not only that but just because someone likes the game doesnt mean they can code.

>>723687932
quake champiojs if you can stand russian coding

>>723688613
By the time it shut down it had been in "pre-alpha" for 6 years. The fact that people stuck with it for so long is a wonder in and of itself.

>>723687748
I played every single one and they were all half assed unfinished pieces of shit except Diabotical. Worst one was Reflex because it FELT GOOD, and then the devs fucking abandoned it.

>>723688985
You're just a faggot who never saw the peak Q3 or live had, sit down nigger

>>723689041
Also while I'm at it FUCK MIDAIR
>yeah /v/ros we're bringing Tribes gameplay back
>paid classes and an early access shitfest
>game updates make the game WORSE

>>723689243
I'm not sure why you are so mad or why you are so obsessed with obscure shit games, seriously, stop.

>>723683425
The first game's multiplayer more or less is, but otherwise Deathmatch Classic is the closest and that is ultimately just Quake 1 with Half-Life assets.

>>723688317
the skeleton crew were the guys who made fortnite br

I miss Tribes so much.
Is ANY of the Tribes games or clones alive at all? Like having matches with 20+ players?
My favorite was Tribes 2, but it's completely dead, the community servers on TribesNext only have bots.
I'm fine even with Starsiege:Tribes, Ascend, Midair or whatever. I don't care if the game sucks, I just want to play a few rounds with some humans.

>>723689168
Yeah and how come the OG games like Quake 3 Arena and UT games are dead than? Reflex has good reviews. Warfork is completely free and plays great. Quake Live gets about 100 players but that's fucking dead. Even Quake Champions even when the posers were crying about the abilities that the characters have still plays great.

People like you are the vocal minority who will never give these games a chance and you know it. Stop pretending to be some epic FPS purist nerd.

>>723689243
>you didn't see the peak a game 20 years ago had.
Not for nothing /v/'s average age puts them in diapers when that happened dipshit.

You gotta give up on an active multiplayer base and make bots good enough that it makes up for it, Quake 3 and Unreal are still worth playing because of this

>>723689485
https://playt1.com/
Surprisingly, lots of people play but they organize in Discord (scary I know) you can't just install and find a match gotta go on certain days.

>>723689531
The better way to do it is via modding, games like Tribes >>723689449 had fucking wild modding scenes that did shit that even today people would be bewildered by. If your game ticked the foundational boxes of gameplay, artstyle, and netcode then the way you win people over is by modding and community features.

>>723689485
Because most people have been brain broken into not wanting to play multiplayer without a matchmaking button.
>New player goes online
>Presented with an interface from 30 years ago and no servers available
>shrug and go play bots

Also Did you not read what I said
I played Reflex
I liked Reflex
Reflex was literally abandoned by the devs
I live in Australia, I hang out in the oce afps discord. Do you know what people play there now? Fortnite and Overwatch 2.
Nowdays I just play Hunt and Battlefield because I can at least get other people to play that.

>>723689970
I despise matchmaking, It's genuinely depressing that all online games default to that now.

>>723683117 (OP)
Half Life was the original movie shooter not an arena shooter.
Even the RPG Doom mods were still fast paced action.

>>723690015
Every game should have both matchmaking and server browsing as options

>>723690015
One of my mates will litterally get pissy if he hits find match and cant get anything in under a minute.

>>723683425
hldm was decently big back in the day
the small little resurgence it had because of the 20th anniversary update was a fun nostalgia trip

>>723689449
Tribes 2 was the only one that I remember having players but if thats kaput then it's over. You literally have no options other than to organise a group somehow or fucking bribe people.

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>>723687725
main art for the game didn't make me wanna try but after sinking 25h in playing with a friend i gotta admit that some maps are really gorgeous and game is really fun, too bad i haven't been able to try FFA yet
>>723687797
>buying trannyshit
it's made by two straight white men and it's free retard, just say you don't have any friends

>>723690090
No it should not. Matchmaking ruins everything it is in for instant gratification.
Server browser only.

>>723690191
playing HLDM with /v/ was amazing

I wish DoD could get a resurgence

>>723683117 (OP)
Because they aren't good games. The players who play them are severely autistic or mentally ill, usually the latter. I think out of the about... 4000-5000 hours of Quake Live and around another 3000 hours of CPMA-clones, I can confidently say the only thing this genre brings you is depression.

>>723683117 (OP)
UT2004 was the last really good one and then they never topped it
UT3 wasn't bad but certainly wasn't up to par
Quake Champions was gaining traction and the devs kept fucking the progression and the netcode, constantly all the time, until people gave up

>>723683117 (OP)
>ACK MA'AM

>>723693754
>france
>straight and white

>>723695005
it's made by two brothers, one of which shows his face on his twitter profile picture, i know it's surprising that they're not trans, it's the reason why the game is so good

>>723695149
>tranny artstyle
100% homosexual

>>723695385
>tranny artstyle
it's not tranny artstyle, if anything, the trannies have been appropriating everything retro for themselves

>>723695515
>t.ranny

>>723683117 (OP)
Game knowledge type "skill" requires more investment into learning a games systems. People would prefer to get into a shooter game where reflexes and instinct/strategy/tactics are more important and they dont auto lose because they didnt know where the rocket launcher was and got spawn camped.

Games like counter strike were designed specifically to be the opposite type of game to arena shooters and be less about "game knowledge" skill. (granted there are all sorts of angles/grenade timing thorws now but stfu

>>723695541
nah straftat is the only game with that aesthetic that i play, and even before playing it i hated some of its elements like the characters or some of the U.I

>>723695551
pretty much every shooter excluding cod is about map knowledge

>>723695616
The point still stands. Its not really a theory, Counter Strike devs specifically talked about the game knowledge problem in arena shooters when talking about their game design philosophy. Its true game knowledge will always be an issue but in some arena shooters its too strong. No one wants to lose every game because they dont know where to get weapon upgrades and get systematically spawn camped.

>>723695787
>pickup up weapon
>shoot
how is this different from say, battle royale

why are you posting this again?
>>723683425
yeah arena shooters aren't really a specific thing, it was just the game design philosophy of the time but multiplayer, hl1 is essentially just quake

>>723687748
Spot on. Arena faggots will find every excuse in the book to not give a game a shot. They like the idea more than the actual product and cloud themselves in this vapid feeling of nostalgia more than anything.

As a zillenial who played Quake 3 against bots as a kid but never played an arena shooter against other players until Champions, the biggest problem I had with it was the fact that there's virtually no downtime in each match. You're always going full throttle and there's as much pressure on you between fights as there is when you're actually engaged in combat, especially if you've just respawned. I enjoyed it quite a lot but after a little while it got surprisingly tiring and I ended up playing something else.

People make a big deal out of the skill difference thing, but when Champions was at it's peak with something like 15k daily players encountering a Quake Dad was so rare as to be a non-issue.

>>723683117 (OP)
>Doom
>HL
>Duke Nukem
None of these games arena shooters. Is Act Ma'am retarded?

>>723697443
>15k daily players
where'd they all go?

>>723694895
>UT3 wasn't bad but certainly wasn't up to par

I think it gets a bit overhated for having the Gears aesthetic, it plays mostly fine but UT2004 is certainly a higher bar to surpass with official and fan content.

>>723683117 (OP)
arenafags don't play their games

>>723683117 (OP)
"the wider audience" uses controllers

Not even /v/ plays arena shooters anymore, it's a dead genre.

>>723683117 (OP)
this thumbnail and title give me the ick
if I saw this shit on my feed I'd block the account
>the ACK man
oh wait he's blocked already
I don't know how you faggots can watch this whiny cunt, bitch is always crying on twitter

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>>723684847
>from after HL:Alyx
before, actually

jeets were angry we didn't get chad gordon

>>723683117 (OP)
>Doom
>Duke
>Half-Life
>arena shooters

literally all of them are known for single player

>>723699983
Historical revisionism, Doom coined the term deathmatch.
School and corporate networks were brought to their knees by people playing Doom multiplayer in the 90s.

>>723683117 (OP)
Valve. Half-Life got praised for having a story focus and muh realism and muh tacticool was about to become really important for casuals and normalfags. This formed a crack that eventually completely shattered the bunnyhopping landscape and destroyed the genre.

>>723683117 (OP)
UT3 and Quake 4 were bad at the same time consoles got really big. That's it. That's the only reason.

>>723687725
1v1 is faggy you may as well suck each other's dick

>>723688079
Koreans on adderall?

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>>723683117 (OP)
I've only started doing ranked duels in QC even though Q1 was one of the first games I played on our first personal home computer

That's awesome fun, but it's also mentally and emotionally exhausting
Actually physically as well, you can't just lay on your couch and sitting in a tense pose requires exercise and a good routine for taking breaks

Tldr; arena shooters are the most fun when you treat it as a sport, not entertainment, and that's just another realm of a niche

>>723703016
wanna duel later?

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>>723683117 (OP)
Here's the certified recipe for making sure your game/genre dies.

>High skill floor, whether intentional or through obtuse mechanics gathered over time that become mandatory knowledge to even compete
>Even higher skill ceiling, where being even just a smidge worse than your opponent leads to a 1:10 KD stomping, and the 1 kill you got was the opponent sneezing so he whiffed his gib on you
>No opportunity for average Joe to ever compete, not even with comeback mechanics because they don't exist

Arena shooters
RTS
Melee combat games like Mordhau
Fighting games (genre is literally propped up my nostalgiafags who buy every new release, play for two weeks and then bail)

Applies to every single one of these. Notice the trend?

>>723683117 (OP)
Because arena shooters simply aren't that captivating, unless you're an autistic masochist that's into duels.
The game simply doesn't have enough variables to be captivating on the long run. You don't need to play more than 20 hours for FFA to be the same game over and over again.
Also it doesn't help that every game tries to remake Q3 with some added flavour, which includes the movement that sucks dicks.

post your favorite fragmovies
https://youtu.be/rquFBZUhayk

>>723683117 (OP)
zoomers cant handle it

>what if we made Quake 3 but with dashing
>what if we made Quake 3 but with walljumping
>what if we made Quake 3 but with abilities
>what if we made Quake 3 but with balls
>what if we made Quake 3 but with X
>what if we made Quake 3 but with Y
>what if we made UT but with Z
And then arenaniggers:
>why would I play those when I can play Quake 3 and UT?

>>723683117 (OP)
not enough grinding

>>723705421
Comeback mechanics, forced 50/50s and neutral skip tools are the crux of modern fightan which is much more alive than the other genres you listed.

>>723683117 (OP)
The majority of videogame players do not enjoy competitive 1vs1 multiplayer games with no RNG

see other "dead" genres: RTS, Fighting games

>>723707962
>modern fightan
https://youtu.be/w6hZKF5CcNQ

>>723707962
outside of tekken modern fighers have probably the least punishing mixups they have ever had

Because people only like to pretend to like movement in games that doens't have real movement. A slie cnacelling queer in something like cod or bf does not want to bhop and rocket predict in a game like unreal tournament.
>>723683117 (OP)
>died
>builded
can we start killing people that do this

>>723708629
Whats rocket predict

>>723708629
>unreal tournament
>bhop

>>723708679
While you're bouncing around the map you fire in high traffic areas with the rocket launcher anticipating the enemy.

>>723705468
I think a game like UT, an arena shooter but with a ton of gimmicks like big maps, vehicles, and just fun stupid guns and characters could work.

>>723708742
I aint afraid of no quake

>>723683117 (OP)
I wish zoomers could just STOP talking about older shooterd and let it all go! They're literally PLAGUING the small communities of those games and bringing their retarded shit with them! What a fucking embarrassing thread and video!

>>723708629
whata boomer

>>723683117 (OP)
>Team games took the players because, surprise surprise, people like working with their friends and socializing
>It's easy to snowball and dying early can be absolutely buckbreaking, especially for a new player, when other players have a massive life and weaponry advantage while you have to play like a rat to sneak back into the game (compare this to something like CS where being on eco actually means you now have a license to do risky, dumb shit)
>Matches are constantly going with little stop to breathe while other games have more periods of calm before hell breaks loose
>Simple nature of being 1v1 means there's not as many variables or unique things happening to keep a player interested and even the team modes are too fast-paced for a group of randoms to feel like they're really coordinating or playing off each other or for tense, quiet moments to happen
I feel like I should have more things to say but it's been a long time since I've played Quake.

modern games are designed around the reaction speed of the average pothead.
The industry has largely moved away from high interactivity games because it's all about chasing trends and getting the biggest audiance possible.

quake and unreal's peak existed around the time where the internet was still niche.
Now the most casual newfag and their numbers far exceed those of the hobbyist and thus arena shooters ""died"".
But the numbers quake-likes get never actually changed, just like fighting games they still get made and recieve the same audiance they always have. It's just now theres a bigger yard stick to measure it by in comparison.

>psh games are so slow and easy now
>meanwhile quake "pros" play overwatch and get stomped
hmmmm

Arena shooters have exactly the same problem as RTS games.

The focus on e-sports killed it and the insistence that any new game needs to appeal to sweaty e-sports players prevent a revival. On top of that modding split communities between those who have the correct mods and those that don't. Modern gamers want customisable avatars, the ability to play with there friends and ideally some sort of co-op/PVE experience. If you created a single player/co-op FPS with competitive multiplayer added on more people would play it.

Also waifus

>>723709564
Last i heard the biggest pro team on overwatch consisted largely of ex-tf2 players though?

>>723689449
>Is ANY of the Tribes games or clones alive at all?

Tribes 1 has a few active servers and a few years ago they modernized Tribes 2 with tribes next or whatever the fuck it was called

I remember playing on full servers, it was comfy

>>723709763
So TFCHADS are mogging quakesissies?
It's telling that they aren't playing in this very thread

>>723709564
Even what you say is true, I bet they don't cry and drop it because they're losing. Instead they focus on getting good and having fun.

Wait so arena FPS players are awesome and skilled because they got good and practised, but at the same time anyone who gets good at something else is a sweaty autist?
I see I see

>>723709832
do i need to post that video of rapha playing ow2?
>>723709564
my guess is that they are unfamiliar with the team aspect of 6v6(and 5v5) games

>>723709942
Arena shooters are dead and nobody here's going to play them so their egos aren't damaged by having to admit other people are better than them.

They were never alive, Quake 3 and UT were literally tech demos, very few people liked the gameplay

>>723683675
Bro remember Unreal championship 2 on Xbox that shit was lit

>>723689970
>>723690015
>server browser
>having to wait and download a million mods, hoarding so much unnecessary data

Server browsers fucking sucked

>come play with /v/ bro
>btw download 10GB of stupid meme bullshit

>>723696506
It's on the verge of virtue signaling. They feel the need to defend something that they have zero interest in just for the sake of looking like a hardcore gamer with taste. It's performative.

>>723709942
that's why arena shooters need both server browsers and sbmm
but sbmm doesn't work when there's 500 players

>>723710198
>join party /v/an
>5 minutes of mod downloading every time you join a game

>>723683117 (OP)
>cant be played with a controller
>high skill ceiling
>2 fast 2 furious for zoomers
>not enough marketing money to pay off streamers

>>723710413
>>muh high skill ceiling
every fps game popular atm has an insane skill ceiling

>>723709973
Go for it. At least he plays, unlike you.

>>723710297
>sbmm
you don't need skill based matchmaking for a dead genre. just queue up with anyone. one click. fuck the bullshit.
>>723710554
correct. they should go and play fortnite. people underestimate how challenging building and shooting is because it's a childrens game. that shit is insane. counter-strike is probably even more insane.

It's become damn near impossible to discuss games anymore, especially on /vr/
You say literally anything, no matter how polite, how generous, and unless you're sucking old games dick, you just get spam replies of "lol filtered zoomer can't handle it get good zoomer" and it's so fucking exhausting

>>723707729
>>why would I play those when I can play Quake 3 and UT?
good mindset, zoomers should follow it instead of buying every metroidvania/pixelshit on steam

All I'm seeing is the zoomer boogeyman are the ones actually playing games, yet there's been zero Quake Live/3 rooms ITT and no one has even asked for games

>>723710554
lol.

>>723710684
Millennials are so fucking stupid they constantly blame zoomies for ruining gaming but don't even realize that they made FPS games go to shit for spending money every year on the new CoD/Halo game during the 00's and 2010's.

>>723710623
link the thread you made

>>723711063
Shut up he's right lmao

>>723711063
It happens constantly
Make a thread even just politely saying "hey I'm having trouble getting into x arcade game/genre, any tips?"
then watch

>>723711189
not saying /vr/ isnt shit, it's full of /v/ faggotry now, but you have to be retarded to expect people to not like retro games on the retro board

>>723711276
>>>>>>>>>>>>now
/vr/ was never good and filled with "aw man 'member" faggots instead of players

>>723683117 (OP)
Arena players are like RTS players except whereas RTS players are still playing AoE2 and Starcraft 1, Arena players sit in forums and discords bemoaning the state of the genre while avoiding actually playing any of them.

>>723687815
normalfags play fightans because they can still button mash. Can't do that in arena shooters. If you suck you are just a frag meat. Same reason gooklickers died. People don't want to invest their time getting good at something worthless like a video game. They want to boot it up and kill niggas

>gookclicker
There it is, there's that seethe

>>723683117 (OP)
Everything that is good is destroyed by the next generation of retarded apes.
Movies, music, games, sex, society and even war.
I miss fighting with swords.

>>723711597
cope

>>723711578
>normalfags play fightans because they can still button mash.
this only works if 2 retards are fighting each other. normalfags will play through story mode and throw the game under their bed when they're done. compared to arena shooterfags they don't even play their games they're all posers

still looking for QC duels

>>723711948
I expect this post to get a thousand replies because all arena FPS players always play their games

>>723711884
>fighting games
>story mode

>>723710634
That's why the genre is dead. Why keep yapping about the death of the genre then?

>>723711884
they still buy the games at least. Literally nobody cares about arena shooters

>>723712003
story mode, arcade mode my point still stands

>>723712101
>story mode, arcade mode
nobody touches these

>>723712278
>nobody touches these
you're missing the point, like i said only casuals/normalfags will play story/arcade mode and completely forget about it

>>723712336
casuals and normalfags don't play arcade/story mode

>>723712351
what do they play then?

>>723688613
months before it shut down there was a year of no updates

>>723712037
im not op

For me, I don't like games that just boil down to a reaction-test where you have to be 'always on'. Leave that style of gameplay for the young-ins.

>the "skill" in this genre is just memorising and camping the powerful spawns
>randomised quad damage
LMFAO

>>723683117 (OP)
Because they never made a Brute Force arena shooter.

in an afps match i know if i'm going to lose within the first minute so then what's the point, sweat my ass on the off chance i can get my stacks back up and take control of the upgrades? it just doesn't happen without me trying way harder than i care to, same with anyone playing me. if i can manage to keep my stacks up and control of upgrades you're probably not going to beat me. that's all the game really is

>>723700702
there's 2v2 and free for all

>>723712393
they don't play fighting games
the ones that do usually goof around with other noobs in low elo
only fighting game i can think of where people play story mode is mk but the game is so alien compared to everyone else

>>723713007
>the ones that do usually goof around with other noobs in low elo
the casuals do this and also play arcade mode

>>723712601
>>randomised quad damage

>>723683442
lol

>>723713079
they don't. in literally no game. i was one of them 2 years ago so i know

>>723713180
if no one is playing them why do they keep implementing story/arcade mode? you're so fucking stupid

>>723683117 (OP)
A HL2 style game made with modern tech would totally work
but the devs are too retarded to come up with something interesting

quake champions started off well but died because its total dogshit. none of the other "newer" arena shooters had a budget and nobody even knew they existed. quake live is literally just a shittier version of another game.

call me when theres a new arena shooter thats actually good and has a decent budget

>>723713375
why do game devs make tutorials when nobody uses them?
the only reason you would have this misconception, is that you used to play in arcades back in the 90's and have no idea what fighting games are like now

>>723685280
They hated him because he told them the truth

>>723713612
>why do game devs make tutorials when nobody uses them?
They do use them retard
>the only reason you would have this misconception, is that you used to play in arcades back in the 90's and have no idea what fighting games are like now
this is a completely different audience....

bump

>>723685280
Came in to write exactly this, thx for posting the TB quote. He is 100% right. People love to give 100s of excuses, but in the end they just don't wanna play them.

bump

>>723707962
Simple fix for arena FPSs:
>every kill halves your max HP
>every death restores your map HP to full
Now the 20:0 stomps become 20:3 or something and the noobs don't get so discouraged.

Want to revive arena shooters? Easy. Make them actually look cool and appealing. All these newer arena shooters look kinda boring and ugly. They do not attract a potential new audience to AFPS whatsoever. Faceless scifi marines and weird robot balls; every arena shooter looks like some grey, aimless mish-mash of sci-fi movies. Blegh

You fags go on and on about how AFPS gameplay is too intense/difficult/etc. for the modern audience. You need to understand that people are willing to play the most unfair, mtx-infested, completely miserable, shit mobile 'games', specifically because they want to win some pretty character. Seriously, some sex-appeal wouldn't hurt. You think Overwatch would have gotten as big without those character designs? Remember that Tracer ass controversy? That's marketing 101

Even a gameplay-purist genre like AFPS needs visual appeal. Fighting games and shmups are niche tryhard genres too, but they still garner a little more interest because they look stylish and fun to play. It's how you reel an audience in; sure a lot of them will get 'filtered' anyway but there will always be some interested enough to get actually invested in the genre. AFPS will always be niche, but it could certainly be less dead.

Take Quake/UT, give it some recognisable aesthetic, slap some pretty anime girls on it. Add some cosmetic mtx bullshit like CSGO. Add a story mode for the casuals. Keep both matchmaking and a server browser. And most importantly, give it a modest price-tag, (there is nothing more off-putting than some ludicrous 70 quid AAA price for this type of game)
BOOM! AFPS revived, thank me later.

>>723717060
so like, china needs to make a quake clone after gta clone is out?

>>723717325
Who says it has to be China? I'm not suggesting an AFPS gacha lmao, this could be an indie level project
Adding anime girls is just an example. My main point is AFPS game need to try looking something other than fucking ugly and featureless. Video-games need visual appeal

>>723717060
quake champions tried almost everything u suggested

>>723717060
>Take Quake/UT, give it some recognisable aesthetic, slap some pretty anime girls on it.
Kill yourself.

>>723718901
Champs had a lot of things going for it and COULD have been it, but they kept it in a beta limbo for way too long, never really fixed the netcode, and had a god awful progression. Also, it wasn't on Steam for most of it's active life. But the gameplay and ascetics were all there, and its really been the only arena FPS that actually had both good ascetics and gameplay in the same package over the past 15 years.

>>723719449
There is no better way to mass import a new audience
Even if you hate anime you should view it as a necessary evil

>>723721448
NTA but it doesn't even have to be particularly "anime" in style, it just has to not look like ass. And every arena FPS that has come out in the past decade has either zero identity visually or has been out right ugly.

>>723721789
qc looks cool and stylish

>>723683117 (OP)
What a tiring topic. Arena shooters are dead and we all really need to move on from talking about this shit anymore. There are less than 1000 arena shooter fags that even give a damn anymore across all the games. And even then I am being very very generous with that number.

>>723722527
Yup, and it was one of the only ones that did. But it died for different reasons. See >>723720921

bump

>>723683117 (OP)
You literate fucking moron- you are missing an "?" at the end.
They did not die, they are games like Fortnite now, so they evolved

>>723685152
Imagine being this delusional about the skills required