Thread 723756363

for me it’s metroidvanias. I don’t know why, but every time I try one I get bored out of my mind. I don’t know if the platforming is ass compared to genuine platformers, or if the backtracking is unbearable, or if there’s just a lack of good music to get you pumped, but they just feel so boring to play.

Also why the fuck do I keep getting told posting from my IP address has been blocked due to the abuse? Who the fuck keeps abusing my IP? Fuck off.

>>723756363 (OP)
if you can't discern shit from gold thats your problem

shoot 'em ups
autoscrollers are the worst parts of any platformer so I never bothered checking them out, assuming they would be boring as fuck
turns out i was very wrong

>>723756363 (OP)
Modern metroidvanias are dogshit, Zero Mission and Super Metroid are the only games to properly do Metroidvania design.

>>723756363 (OP)
For me it's definitely the backtracking. Played Gal Guardians 2, realized I had to backtrack some long distance, ended up stopping it.

>>723756363 (OP)
fps games that aren't like dude bro shooters (dudebro shooters suck too)
its so hard to gauge distance in shit because your arms and shit float in a void so when you try to melee something you either over shoot it or have to be in their face

I really like Metroidvanias, I just think trying to fuse the gameplay structure of Soulsborne to it isn't doing it for me.

>>723757812
What's wrong with it?

>>723758515
Too few save points combined with a high-risk mechanic that means when you die a) you need to remember where you last went and b) you have to survive back to there or lose everything doesn't really agree with the sprawling level design of a Metroidvania.

Plus healing yourself can be impossible depending on the situation you're in when you're down on masks.

Also Hollow Knight in particular doesn't incentivize casual exploration because there's nothing to find but the occasional collectible or major upgrade.

>>723756363 (OP)
Narrative-driven-grind roguelikes? Or whatever Sunless Sea and Cultist Simulator are. I thought they'd be right up my alley but I've bounced off of them multiple times.

>>723759519
>because there's nothing to find but the occasional collectible or major upgrade
>there is nothing to find except the things there are to find
what kind of logic is that?

>>723759729
Metroid has smaller upgrades to keep you looking around even if you're on your way to a larger objective.

>>723756363 (OP)
The only Metroidvania in that pic is on the left.
The center is a 2d soulslike action platformer and the right is a search action platformer.

I really want to like non-arcadey driving games because forza seems like a very comfy experience but i just can't get into it

>>723756363 (OP)
RTS games

Enjoyed Civ and such but having to plan and take action in real time is too stressful

>>723756363 (OP)
>e, or if there’s just a lack of good music to get you pumped
Which ones have you played that left you feeling this issue specifically

>>723760718
Based semantics autist

the entire roguelike genre. theyre so fucking ass. this genre needs to die off, but too many retards enjoy it

>>723761283
BoI is one of the greatest games of all time and I don't even like roguelites
Then again it's more like an endless Zelda dungeon generator

>>723756363 (OP)
Didn’t think I’d like it but I tried hollow knight and it’s just not fun.

Also tried silk song because whatever, cheap, maybe it’s an actual good hollow knight

Same shit. Killed a few bosses and got sick of running back and forth between maps

If Metroid Prime 4 is a disappointment then all is lost.

>>723756363 (OP)
Shoot'em ups. By the time I'm good enough at one to make a reasonable attempt at clearing the later stages, the early ones will have long since become insufferably boring. In an action sidescroller or run n' gun game, once I get good at a stage I can engage in higher-risk play to clear it more quickly and keep things fun, but shoot'em ups proceed at a fixed pace, so I feel like I'm just doing the exact same thing every time.

>>723756363 (OP)
metroidvania developers are way too influenced by soulsshit. instead of making their games fun, they make their games too hard, dark and obtuse.

Admittedly this is a cute word.

>>723760718
people calling metroid games metroidvanias is baffling to me.
like metroidvanias are the combination of that gameplay PLUS the rpg mechanics and character building, metroid games cannot be metroidvanias as they are missing half of the gameplay elements.
the amount of people fundamentally misunderstanding what makes a metroidvania is absurd.

>>723762095
Metroidvania is a game like metroid and castlevania. Any further pedantry is irrelevant to me because metroidvania sounds better than "metroid-like" or search action, both of which are soulless terms

>>723762304
so how does a game similar to metroid but completely separate to castlevania get called a metroidvania?

>>723756363 (OP)
Metroidvanias are defined by one thing: excessive backtacking. What a dogshit genre.

>>723762349
Because it's like metroid

>>723762349
Just give up, Metroidvania is now synonymous with literally any non-linear platformer and theres nothing we can do about it

>>723759519
But souls games have sprawling level design and Dark Souls itself is practically a '3D Metroidvania'.

>>723759826
Ah, you mean the largely irrelevant missile tanks.

metroidvanias are great, but I really can't play more than a few a year. it's just not the type of game I can play over and over again.
last one I played was axiom verge and it was ok. the gameplay was fun, the exploration felt random but suited the world building, but progression felt a little boring, bosses were lame too. is megaman ZX worth playing if I haven't played an entry in Z at all? does it even work as an mv?

>>723762095
No they aren't. Metroidvania is any game with a map style like Super Metroid or SOTN. That's it.

>>723762349
Because SOTN itself is just like Metroid in its game structure as opposed to the classicvanias, you fucking retarded autist.

>>723764265
>is megaman ZX worth playing if I haven't played an entry in Z at all?
The first ZX is kind of contentious with how they handled the map for it. ZX Advent (which is the 2nd game) while more straightforward did a better job with its map. If you just want to play one, do ZX Advent. If you play ZX, keep in mind you may want to look up its map, because the way they handled it was questionable.

>>723760904
Modern driving games at every different to 90s and 2000s driving games. They focus hard on realism and it makes the cars feel awful to drive. I can play need for speed carbon and burnout 3 no problem, but modern driving games put me to sleep.

>>723764306
This is the definition

Metriodvanias were once seldom made, so it made since to call them that since those were the only examples that anybody knew, but then indies grew up and started mass producing them. If you're a zoomer you don't get it because you can't understand a world in which there were very few games like that outside of metroid games and igavanias.

>>723763186
>>723763842
>>723764306
>>723764362
you are all wrong

>>723756363 (OP)
Open world, the only one I can play more than one time is Else Ring and that because is still dark souls just with bigger map. I can barely play BOTW or AC without getting really bored really fast

>>723761386
I really want to enjoy tboi but I can't barely find it fun, the worst thing is that I bought it along the dlc on sale so I have all this hours of content that I can't really enjoy

>>723764669
sick man zx advent it is

RPG elements do not define a genre. RPG elements just means shitty dialogue options and an upgrade tree. You can tack that shit onto any game genre. A Metroidvania is a sidescroller with an interconnected map. That’s it.

>>723765641
*Elden ring

>>723756363 (OP)
Silksong would have been a lot more fun if she had a bunch of guns and it played more like Bug Metroid.

Play super metroid and Castlevania symphony of the night. everything else is faggots tryign to make shitty copies. there ar ealso actual professionals making others, like other castlevania and metroid games like metroid fusion

>>723756363 (OP)
I like metroidvanias but I've always thought hollow knight sucks so I feel like an exile

>>723756363 (OP)
I'm mixed on them. Loved Dead Cells but Hollow Knight just doesn't do it for me.

>>723765862
do you legitimately think metroid combat even comes close to being as good as hk/ss? can't wrap my head around the type of person who'd think that
the silkshot in SS is pretty cool but it would obviously completely ruin the game if you could shoot it without cooldown or ammo cap and you had like 20x the health

>>723766064
Why are cool downs and ammo good?

Just feels too repetitive and tedious after a few runs.
Don't know how people get all the side character interaction stuff. Feels like way too much of a grind.

>>723766163
because the point is you're forced to melee for the vast majority of your damage, meaning you have to engage more with the mechanics of the boss and your movement options
ranged options can exist, but if they don't have some sort of limit they just make the combat less interesting as a rule

>>723765842
>rpg elements
no, metroidvanias are rpgs.
if you have lack the rpg mechanics then its the same game for everyone and it may as well be linear. the rpg elements of having different gear, different drops, using limited materials to create different things, and other such mechanics all massively add up to a different gameplay experience.

and rpg elements absolutely do define a genre, what genre would rpg's be if you removed the rpg elements? what a retarded statement

Touhous.
I used to really like Aero Fighters, Last Resort stuff like that. Maybe they're just easier.

>>723765862
Ranged combat is 100x harder to design and balance. That's why there's a million 2D indieslop games with melee combat but you could probably count the gunplay focused ones on one hand.

>>723764180
>Dark Souls itself is practically a '3D Metroidvania'.
just because a game has shortcuts does not make it a "3D Metroidvania"

>>723766349
>forced
>you have to
This kinda sounds like a self control issue, you can play how you want but you take the path of least resistance and blame the game

>>723766520
They're both games where rolling is a primary form of movement.

>>723760718
I'd agree about Hollowknight being a 2D soulslike clone, not so much with SotN

>>723766675
kek

>>723766064
Because Metroid has aiming and mechanics to lock your aim along with a lot more ammo/infinite ammo, where as hk/ss ranged options are far more limited both on how much you can use and how you use them.

Why even compare the two combat systems when they try to do completely different things

>>723765641
I don't even know how people can get through one play-through of ER
Roll dodging combat gets so fucking boring after 30+ hours

>>723765862
>Bug Metroid
sounds like a game I'd actually play

>>723766452
>what genre would rpg's be if you removed the rpg elements?
What ever genre defines their shitty base gameplay. Red dead would be a shooter for example. Witcher would be an action game.

>>723756363 (OP)
it's funny because when silksong came out i said i should finish up my HK playthrough before getting it. i load up HK and am just instantly bored to the point i dont even want silksong anymore kek

>>723766520
hurr hurr resident evil is a metroidvania

>>723756363 (OP)
Why do you believe you should like them? because others do? because it's popular?
If you don't like the genre then don't play it and find one you do like.

>>723767730
Because I like platformers and action combat. What the fuck kind of question is that?

I love the idea of these loot heavy ARPGs where the point is to play a bit of spreadsheet simulator and maximize your build, but I always bounce off before even finishing the campaigns, much less endgame. At least some of it is how the genre is built on playing through the same story content again just at a higher difficulty.

>>723756363 (OP)
Paradox games. I love 4x games like civ and Rome Total War and Risk. I used to spend a hundred hours building my own maps. I have a econ and history degree.
Didn't like Victoria 3, Crusader Kings 3, or Stellaris.

I heard theirs a mod that combines Bannerlord with Crusader kings which sounds amazing if I could get it to work. On its own though, 6/10.

>>723761283
This, except I really want a BG3 roguelike. No other game though.

>>723756363 (OP)
I find exploring boring in 2D sidescrollers.
Simple as.

>>723765878
Why do you like these games? I'm not trying to troll. I understand the fun behind sequence breaking, but the gameplay itself feels like a slog. Combat is overly simplistic, and the worlds don't feel interesting enough to care about exploring.

>>723768819
Castlevania symphony is the combination of vibes and exploration. If the setting does nothing for you than that makes sence but I just cant imagine a human like that?
Who hates Halloween.

>>723768981
I like the art style, but SOTN became repetitive very quickly. Nothing in the game justified its length to me.

>>723756363 (OP)
For me is beat em ups there's something about the lack of freedom of movement that makes me dislike the genre, + most don't have movesets that are big enough to keep me entertained

>>723768981
>Who hates Halloween.
>damp and cold season where annoying faggots go around extorting people for free stuff "give me a treat or i'll trick you"
any sapient human dislikes halloween. Only violent thugs like it because it gives them an excuse to engage in criminal activity and get away with it.
Halloween is a brown-coded season.

>>723766520
Don't engage with subhumans that try to label everything a metroidvania. They can't grasp the purpose of categorization. They quite literally do not have the intellectual capacity to.

>>723769242
Kek
>>723769173
8-12 hours? I replayed it over covid and was blown away how short it was. And thats for the good ending.
Than again Im a 100 hour Jarpig and a thousand hour 4x player >>723768385

the only good ones are metroid and super metroid

>>723767157
>Roll dodging combat gets so fucking boring
You can change it up by using guard counters with a shield or swapping to magic, you don't have to only use dodge roll in that game. Save dodge rolling for large annoying bosses like the Tree Spirits.

>>723769242
You sound like a contrarian faggot.