Thread 723824331

Dark Souls 2 haters... were we the bad guys all along?

>>723824331 (OP)
This video sucked and I shut it off halfway through because he was making DS2 look bad by being disingenuous about his defense

There are ways to defend DS2 without being a snake and blatantly lying

>>723824331 (OP)
>DS2 fans try not to be the most insecure fan base in gaming challenge: IMPOOSSIBLE

>>723824331 (OP)
Literally who

dark souls 2 just feels shitty to play. if these people didn't make money off overly long videos all the reviews would begin and end at that one sentence because in a game entirely about exploring a big world and fighting things moving and swinging your sword feels like you're underwater, drunk, and recovering from a spinal cord injury so the rest of the game is automatically irrelevant

its impressive Ds2fags can mald for an entire decade and still have more in them

>>723825815
Contrarianism is one hell of a drug.

>>723826958
>defending a flawed game from hugely exaggerated criticisms is contrarianism
You have no capacity for critical thought or forming your own opinion.

>>723824331 (OP)
>Best PvP
>Best spells
>Best NG+
>Powerstancing
>Multiple routes right from the start instead of being railroaded
>Multiple special weapons and shields, everything from whip-swords to catalyst weapons to multi-shot crossbows
>Multiple armour sets that have creative and interesting effects
>Interesting NPC invasions like Mauldron the Assassin or Forlorn
>Fun secrets like the Looking Glass Knight invasions or the absolute ton of hidden walls and pharros lockstones
Why do we hate DS2 again?

>>723825415
I don't understand how you mess up the basic act of walking in a 2014 game, especially since DS1 and DeS didn't feel like that

>>723825415
>Looks, controls, sounds and animates worse than DaS1
How the fuck. Some of the movesets in DaS2 legit look like dogshit you'd see students churn out for an assigment.

>>723828028
Awkward movement
Enemy spam (see "a tale of two adventurers")
Gutted graphics
And uhmmm uhhhh hold on a second

>>723826958
>>723825815
>"DARK SOULS 2 IS LE BAD BECAUSE.... THERES AN OGRE IN THE CAGE WHO BREAKS OUT OF ITS CAGE BUT IF IT CAN BREAK THE CAGE WHY DIDNT IT BREAK IT BEFORE YOU ARRIVED????"
wow, so true, im going to repeat your opinions as gospel forever
>"actually dark souls 2 isnt that bad"
what...... the.......... le........ fuckarooo??!?!! did you not HEAR my favorite e-celebrity? he said its LE BAD. PERIODT. FULL THTOP. YOU CANNOT DISAGREE WITH THIS. YOU CANNOT DISAGREE WITH MY FAVORITE YOUTUBER. YOU ARE A CONTRARIAN. YOU ARE A HERETIC. YOU ARE AN APOSTATE. I AM GOING TO KILL YOU. I AM GOING TO LITERALLY KILL YOU. NOT IN MINECRAFT, BUT IN REAL LIFE. I AM GOING TO CAUSE VERY REAL HARM TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES,. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT ABOUT DARK SOULS 2. YOU ARE NOT! NO! NO! NO! NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!

>>723824331 (OP)
>ppl say the game feels floaty
>other ppl say they dont feel that way
idk who to believe

>>723824435
I really gone get why DS2 fans can't just admit the flaws, take it on the chin and respect who others don't like their preferred game, and keep saying what they like about it in the hopes that eventually people will come around.
Admittedly most of the souls community is like that at this point but DS2 fans have that historical chip on the shoulder which makes them be the loudest about it.

>>723828651
The ones who aren't mentally ill and don't have to keep inventing stuff to complain about when discussing a decade+ old videogames.

>>723825415
>>723828079
>>723828201
Its because they used mocap for the player animations that while looking more realistic felt worse to play.

>ppl who hate ds2 say the movement is imprecise and not as tight
>ppl who like ds2 say the movement is realistic is increases skill ceiling

>>723829531
Its like playing Super Mario vs playing the OG Prince of Persia
Both are platformers but the intentions and design goals are different and so are animated diffrently.

>>723829531
I like DS2 and don't like the movement that's why I play int/fth every time and use all the cool spells from a distance

>>723828557
Good job proving them right ya insecure little bitch
Jesus Christ why are DaS2 fags like this?

>>723828557
>e-celeb said its le bad
>therefore it’s le good
There. Contrarianism. DS2 niggers don’t have a shred if self awareness. Then again it’s hardly shocking seeing their taste in games.

When will any DS2 loving retard try to cope about all of the animations being worse, the hitboxes being worse, the camera being worse, the control over the character being worse, and of course the graphics being worse.

Top to bottom the moment you even touch or move your character around in DS2 you can tell it's wrong. It feels like a knockoff game made by another studio the moment you pick it up. You never get this feeling from DS3, Elden Ring, not a single other From game. Why did they fuck this aspect up? How will you defend this?

>>723824331 (OP)
DS2 is flawed and nobody is claiming it's a masterpiece because it had a troubled development and Tanimura has worked on DS3 and ER to make up for it.

>>723830229
Its because to them the gameplay feels good as so is the best in the series tot hem.
Your arguing matters of taste here.

I feel like every time I see defenses for the gank squad spam in ds2 they deliberately miss the point or they argue that you deserve to be ganked. The problem everyone has is that the combat system is clunky when you have to fight enemies in multiple directions. The problem is not that you can theoretically trigger 5 enemies by playing like a retard, the problem is that the combat is poorly made for crowd controlling enemies unless you have an UGS. Triggering multi enemy encounters makes the game feel unbearable so there should not be so many of them in the game.

>>723830229
I disdain DS2 like you wouldn’t believe, but my reasons have nothing to do with gameplay or movement. I dislike DS2 because it’s thematically and artistically bankrupt. Shit lore, shit NPC dialogues, generic enemy design, forgettable world design, no environmental storytelling. no atmosphere whatsoever other than Majula. All the things that make Miyazaki’s games what they are have been stripped out. It’s like if Bethesda made a bootlef version of Dark Souls, that’s what DS2 feels like to me.

>>723830174
thread is literally about an e-celeb calling it good
hmmmm seems like YOU are the contrarian! how does it feel, contrarian?

>>723824331 (OP)
Every Souls game has flaws.

But DS2 has the least of it, which makes it the best game in the series. It was also the last FromSoft's role playing game.

>>723830915
>Youtube channel with 20k subs
>e-celeb

>>723831183
how many subs do you have?

>>723824331 (OP)
Dark Souls II is EASILY the weakest Soulsbornering game.

However, its still a 9/10

>>723828557
>THERES AN OGRE IN THE CAGE WHO BREAKS OUT OF ITS CAGE BUT IF IT CAN BREAK THE CAGE WHY DIDNT IT BREAK IT BEFORE YOU ARRIVED????"
It sounds funny, but some "people" genuinely "think" that this is a valid complaint. On par with asking why is it your character that kills all of those bosses throughout the game. Pure imbecilism.

>>723831261
I have less than 1M subs, just like your youtuber buddy, making us both non e-celebs.

Get it now, retard?

>>723830591
Yes if you ignore all the tools DS2 gives you for dealing with groups of enemies then dealing with groups of enemies is hard

>>723831516
and how many thousands of subs do you have?

>>723831958
21K

>>723832057
proofs?

>>723828392
>awkward movement
first time im hearing this one so idk how to take this
>enemy spam
sure
>gutted graphics
I am mad about the lighting system getting dropped but its not a terrible looking game and the darkness mechanic was probably both 1.) not fun 2.) TOO demanding for consoles

>>723831958
Would you like me to give you my social security number as well?

>>723832167
yes also your birthdate and your mother's maiden name

>>723832086
It’s in the pudding

>>723832086
Sure, look up "Nintendeen"

>>723828028
Reasons why Dark Souls II was maligned:
>Soul Memory
It's bad because it counts total souls accumulated, not total souls spent, so you couldn't cease its progression. Then they added the agape ring, which works, but now it consumes your souls so if you want to twink you don't get to keep souls at all.
>weapon degradation
It was tied to frame rate, so on consoles it was fine, but on PC your weapons have the durability of wet paper towels. This is mitigated by consumables and spells, but I'd rather just not have the problem in the first place.
>enemy despawning
After they've been slain enough times, enemies will stop respawning. This is fine during a typical playthrough, but if you're the type to linger, eventually entire regions of the game will be devoid of anything in them at all. Empty maps. This is mitigated by joining the Company of Champions, but the covenant comes with its own changes that you may not wish to deal with
>no Red Eye Orb
This is self explanatory; reds were upset because they had to farm for orbs. It's annoying busywork that could better be spent invading.
>invasion timer
It puts pressure on the invader to do something, which is antithetical to the "I've got all the time in the world" strategies that people would employ, things like hiding and blending, lying in wait to ambush the host, or playing the long game by running through the level.
>hosts can be invaded while hollow
Why? It renders moot the entire point of Humanity/human effigies.
>abundance of healing
>introduction of sublime bone dust
The first is self explanatory; there's too many healing consumables in the game that can just absorb damage. Bone dust effectively replaces Humanity, which makes no sense. There was no reason to fuck with the previous mechanics that worked so intuitively.
>a bunch of other issues, i.e.
>aggressive enemy tracking and bad hitboxes (got patched to some extent)
>split into two versions DX9/DX11
>visual downgrade from the promo material
etc.

>>723832439
I like the invasion timer and the fact that you can be invaded at any time

>>723825415
Couldn't have it said it better. I can acknowledge DS2's merits, but I just don't like the way it feels to play.

>>723832086
Look up Koseki Bijou. That's me

>>723824435
>no arguments
keep crying faggotass nigga

I agree with all of the criticism.

And yet...I still love it.

I have 10 subs. Can I shill my channel here?

>>723833359
The correct mentality to have.

>>723833602
No. U need 15 at least.

humanity:
>collect it from slain enemies, NPCs or other players
>collect it from passively progressing through an area
>collect it from specific locations in the world as a consumable
>feed it to specific bonfires to get more flasks, from 5 up to 20
>consume it to bolster your stats
>consume it to revert your hollowing and become human again, which opens up online play
very elegant, very intuitive, very well done.
human effigies/sublime bone dust:
>collect it from slain enemies, NPCs or other players
>collect it from specific locations in the world as a consumable
>human effigies regulate hollowing but not online play (what???)
>you can be invaded at any time and repeated deaths are penalized with gradual loss of health bar
>consume effigies to restore your health bar and be able to summon cooperatively
>burn them at bonfires to do avoid multiplayer (fuclin' what????)
>sublime bone dust regulates the strength of your flask now (what???)
very stupid, very dumb, very poorly done.

>>723824331 (OP)
>2 hours
not watching that garbage
>if you like this game you are bad
I like DS2 but isnt that the same excuse DS3/ER fans use if you have the audacity to call something about that game utter shit?

>>723824331 (OP)
>well, that's a real complaint but they tried to fix this in Scholar of the First Sin edition
nice video mate

>>723833357
this disgusting video defends the braindead enemy attack tracking in ds2 by saying
>it's okay because you can just roll the attack still
or
>if they didn't track that hard then enemies would miss and thus look silly and incompetent
not realizing that shifting around that like makes them look worse and takes anyone out of the game, regardless of difficulty.

>>723832439
Invasion/coop timer and being able to invade anyone are by far the best DS2 ideas when it comes to multiplayer. This made it possible for invader to outwait ganks but also pace himself so he still needs to attack the host instead of jogging around for 40 minutes. And being invaded anywhere at any state led to a ton of genuine "oh shit" moments other games in the series don't provide.

Regardless of all the bad things in DS2, Majula is still hands down the best hub area From software has ever produced, nothing else they made even comes close to it. Its almost to the same level of Darkwood's safe houses where you just feel your weight being lifted when you enter

>>723835604
It's a matter of taste, and I prefer Dark Souls I's way of doing this more. Most people at the time of release really didn't like this change. For me personally, I didn't like that I couldn't disengage from the multiplayer at my leisure like I could with previous games. It makes no sense to force the host to always opt into invasions but also make them consume a limited resource just to be able to engage in co-op. That is very poorly thought out.

If you're going that route, you might as well have a seamless co-op on top of persistent invasions and do away with consumables in the first place.

>>723836076
>best hub
>game with the detached from reality venders
really?

>>723824331 (OP)
video summarized for those who don't want to watch:
>uhm actually you falling victim to shitty game design is you not being good enough. git gud.
>okay so maybe you are correct about some points but those were corrected in sotf.
>It doesn't matter if some of the criticisms are still valid after sotf because....just git gud okay! those aren't real criticisms because they just aren't!
souls fans are the most insecure troglodytes on the planet. i have never seen a fanbase that isn't able to take criticism more than them. if you say anything wrong at all they will just throw the classic "git gud" at you or just blatantly lie about shit. Remember when elden ring fans insisted that the game does not read your inputs?

>>723836261
Yep, its precisely because Majula felt detached to reality that it felt safe, the knight NPC himself said it

>>723836213
>If you're going that route, you might as well have a seamless co-op on top of persistent invasions and do away with consumables in the first place.
Sure, that's what they apparently had in mind for the early draft of bloodborne before they completely raped the multiplayer system

>>723835295
>disgusting disgusting disgusting
you don't even know what that word means. "its disgusting because im stupid hurr durr"
>takes anyone out of the game
It didn't take me "out of the game". Literally just time your roll better or learn strafing and spacing.

>>723836783
>well EYE liked it... and MY mommy said EYEm I smart boy
good for you, but if you can't understand why SOME people (maybe not you!) would think the enemies flat-foot rotating the way they do looks retarded, then you're simply autistic, and there's nothing we can do about that.

>>723836370
The sad thing is that they just stopped trying to improve in subsequent games. Dark Souls III seems like a compromise, because they kept sublime bone dust and estus shards from DaSII, and made embers function similarly to humanity. However, the problem with that is that embers can be used virtually anywhere on the map, so you could clear an area out by yourself, and then pop one at the boss gate to get a full health bar and summon your friend without having to go through the level. This kills the tension, the adventurous spirit of the game by giving players the luxury of having the benefit of co-op while totally minimizing the threat of invasions. Not to mention, DaSIII allowed the host to summon up to 4 friendlies, which would put even the most skilled invaders at a disadvantage.

Elden Ring isn't much better, the convenience of finger remedies and summoning pools only compounded this issue, and the addition of password multiplayer has all but eliminated random co-op. It sucks.

>>723837118'
>well I AM BAD so the GAME IS BAD
kill yourself

>>723836304
i like the games
but souls fans are fucking dumb

I don't get the point on obsessively hating Dark Souls 2 a decade after it released. You have Nightreign now if you hate RPGs and just want to kill monsters, just play it and leave us real gamers alone.

>>723837301
it isn't about difficulty, knuckledragger. read SLOWLY.

>>723837543
>i dont like the animations waaah
no one cares you fucking shitter
also its a 2 hour video and this is the your only point.
>its disgustaang
kys

>>723837364
just like with Persona, Daganrompa, Demon Slayer and Sons of Anarchy I am a fan of the series but the community around them are absolute retards and not worth associating with.

>>723837695
nice argument! this post makes you look very rational!

>>723824331 (OP)
I liked Dark Souls II and that's the only opinion that matters.

>>723828028
I agree with some of those points, however...
>powerstancing
Largely irrelevant
>Multiple routes right from the start instead of being railroaded
Way to conveniently forget the entire second half being a straight line that's actually more linear than DS3.
>Multiple special weapons and shields, everything from whip-swords to catalyst weapons to multi-shot crossbows
Many of these things were in the other games as well
>Fun secrets like the Looking Glass Knight invasions or the absolute ton of hidden walls and pharros lockstones
As if DeS didn't have a boss invasion gimmick, and the vast majority of the Doors of Pharos are pointless

Now talk about the terrible parts.
>Multiple bosses that are 2+ fights
>More reused bosses than any other Souls game perhaps barring Elden Ring
>Weapon degradation tied to FPS causing some weapons to be functionally useless
>Proper mobility being tied to a stat
>Absurdly bad graphics in a number of locations, but especially the shaded woods
>the genuinely worst lag compensation of any of the games in the series involving PvP
>PvP being tied to soul accumulation which eventually pushed you out of preferred tiers

In a somewhat neutral stance, the ways people broke the game with cheats was absolutely insane and I've never seen anything else remotely close to the level of creativity some of those people had.

>>723837857
Your argument is literally that you don't like the animations because they don't look natural. I'm sorry to tell you that the best 3d games also have enemies with shit animations. cry more faglord.

>>723837153
Elden Ring was so fucking bad in terms of multiplayer design it's just hilarious. I fully expect their next arpg to feature no invasions at all.

WAHH WAHH ITS SHIT BUT WHO CARES WHO CARES IF ITS SHIT I LIKE IT I LIKE IT YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO DISLIKE IT THATS NOT ALLOWEDDDD

>>723824331 (OP)
Dark Souls 2, great game

the best part of DS2 is bonfire aesthetics and they shouldve kept that in the other games especially DS3
no, I'm not playing through that game two more times for a shitty ring

>>723824815
Reddit is that way.

>>723837987
>Having more cool ways to play your character is irrelevant
Fuck off nigger not reading the rest of your post.

>>723838129
what did she mean by this

>>723837987
>more linear than DS3
Nah, DS3 has like 3 optional side areas in the whole game if you don't include DLC. And the bit of DS2 after the Shrine of Winter is not even close to half the game. If we DO include DLC then DS3 gets significantly better with the amount of side-content, but so does DS2 and DS2's DLC gives you entire new endings so I'm even sure if they count as side content

>Many of these things were in the other games as well
AFTER Dark Souls 2 introduced them to the series, and especially in DS3 they were made gay and lame. Compare DS3's Avlynn to the one in DS2, or the fact that you can't use weapon buffs on weapon catalysts in DS3 to bump them into being top-tier catalysts. Also that's not even true for a bunch of weapons, for example DS3 has no catalyst shields, kung-fu gloves, sword whips etc.

And if the "but other games did it too" complaints is valid as a way to discount all the new weapons etc. DS2 added, then half the terrible parts you talked about also have to be discounted. At very least the multiple bosses, reused bosses, mobility being tied to a stat (I assume you mean carry weight, since i-frames being tied to agility isn't really mobility related), bad graphics in some locations, and lag compensation all have to be discounted leaving just soul memory and weapon degradation as the only "valid" complaints, both of which have ways to compensate for them (agape ring and repair powder/repair spell)

>>723824331 (OP)
Sex with Dimitri Monroe.

>>723824331 (OP)
>2 hours
no life bitch

>>723837987
>>Multiple bosses that are 2+ fights
Mostly a skill issue, stop relying on lockon when it's not useful
>>More reused bosses than any other Souls game perhaps barring Elden Ring
Sekiro has more as well yet simpletons loooove Sekrio
>>Weapon degradation tied to FPS causing some weapons to be functionally useless
They fixed this ages ago you retard
>>Proper mobility being tied to a stat
Yeah it wasn't a great idea but it's not the massive problem people pretend it is
>>Absurdly bad graphics in a number of locations, but especially the shaded woods
True, but if you hate a game for that you're double digit IQ
>>the genuinely worst lag compensation of any of the games in the series involving PvP
Yet still the best PvP in the series, interesting...
>>PvP being tied to soul accumulation which eventually pushed you out of preferred tiers
Agape ring

None of these are "terrible", just kinda dumb at worst.

the movement in 1 is so fucking bad

>>723842458
>yeah thats true
>thats true but..
>well they fixed it later
nice post my friend

>>723844285
DaS2 is such a disgusting game. The visuals, the controls. Everything about it is just repulsive.

>>723844075
>>723844285
DS1 looks awful and shit to play. Everything about it is bad.

>>723828028
Ok but how's the core gameplay?

>>723828028
worst enemies and worst bosses

>>723837987
>>Proper mobility being tied to a stat
It's not. You have omni roll and locked on omni sprinting without every putting a point into anything.

>>723844827
enough about ds1

I'm surprised DS3 has barely been brought up yet, usually DS2 fans start arguing that it's at least a lot better than 3. And they're right

>>723844912
It's just mindblowing that someone can look at that literal feces on the right and think it's good.

>>723844912
left looks and plays like feces

why does the ds2 defense force keep arguing with decade+ old videos
the people they're arguing against have been playing souls before ds2 even came out and before ds2fags (aka the original souls tourists) picked it up as their first game
it's just a shitty falsely advertised bootleg made by the B-team that feels like ass to play and looks like puke, everyone knew that day one

I beat the first DLC. Yeah there are a fuckload of enemies but honestly, the game is overhated. It is still a good game. At least an 8/10

>>723845081
>slander someone years ago
>get sued and lose pathetically in court
>umm, that was years ago lmao why do you care???
You lost, get over it.

>>723845180
only a delusional ds2troon who never leaves xis basement would compare game essay slop to lawsuits
you are losing aura by arguing with people who have moved on years and years ago

>>723845081
the saddest thing is their arguments are always just
>they updated the game since the video and fixed that
it wasn't slander, they had to change the game.

>>723845341
>aura
Oh fuck I responded to a stupid zoomer, I need to go take a bath before the idiocy infects me.

Kind of odd that there's never any actual defense of DS2 they just post random vids from DS1 or just scream about DS3 unprompted.

>>723844750
Deliberate. Every movement is deliberate and calculated in a way we haven't had since Bloodborne took the series into a much more twitch reflexes heavy path. You have to commit to each movement, and if you mess up you get punished.
Brainlets will say this makes the game feel clunky, and then praise DS3 for letting you do whatever you want whenever you want with zero consequences, as long as you can button mash hard enough.
The same thing happened with Monster Hunter, compare the good Monster Hunter games with the nu-slop where nothing you do matters. DS3 is the Monster Hunter Wilds of Dark Souls.
Plagueofgripes has a good video on why the twitch reflexes focus ruined the Souls series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrDoVBLiw8

>>723845482
don't forget to take care of your neovagina xis

>>723845523
>Deliberate. Every movement is deliberate and calculated in a way we haven't had since Bloodborne took the series into a much more twitch reflexes heavy path.
So is it fun? Because Bloodborne is fun.

>>723828028
>worst actual level design
>"multiple paths" don't matter when each are still almost entirely linear
>generally boring progression for most of your playthrough
>Soul Memory, which is the single worst mechanic ever implemented by a souls game and singlehandedly invalidates multiple of your points (PvP in particular)
>Adaptability, the second worst mechanic ever implemented by a souls game
>insanely terrible lore and worldbuilding that ruined the series just as it was getting started
>hitboxes so bad they invented memes that exist to this day, like shockwaves
>feels like shit to play
>looked like shit
>nothing was interesting
>nothing was fun

>>723828557
I fucking kneel

DS2 FAGS ARE STILL MATTBROKEN
11 (ELEVEN) YEARS

>>723833359
why is the bonfire so much farther back from where it actually is?

>>723828557
Honestly the ogre cage thing is a key example of the sheer dumbassery all throughout DaS2. If it came out today people would call it AI generated.

>>723845816
Lmao, I can't take him seriously after his awful taste was shown and thoroughly dismantled.

>>723845620
Bloodborne makes it somewhat work because it commits to the bit and changes everything to facilitate the twitch-reflexes playstyle. It still sucks if you want more actual Souls gameplay, but as an ARPG it's fine. DS3 and Elden Ring do not commit to the bit. As soon as you add good shields to Bloodborne the entire thing breaks.
Elden Ring compensates for this by letting enemies read your inputs and giving them all massive multi-hit combos, so it still sort of works. DS3 does not compensate for this AT ALL, which leaves the entire thing a boring, mind-numbingly easy walk in the park where you can roll a dozen times in a row and sip estus mid boss-combo with no penalties.

>>723845180
Slander usually has a statute of limitations of like a year in most of the world. 5 years at most. I'm not aware of anywhere where it's 10.
You literally couldn't sue someone for it at this point, you retards are so far gone.

All the reasons people hate DS2 I actually like it for those exact reasons, the story almost being complete non-sense and esoteric, each area basically being stapled together randomly with no real throughline of a visual design. The gank squads, the shitty bosses that become shitty regular enemies, everything.

>>723846005
Ok but that doesn't answer my question about if Dark Souls 2 is fun to play.

>>723845621
>wrong
>wrong
>retarded opinion
>fixed
>ignorable
>retarded opinion
>wrong
>retarded opinion
>retarded opinion
>retarded opinion
>retarded opinion

>>723846101
anyone with a brain could tell you it's not just by looking at the footage
unless you like kiting enemies in hallways that look like minecraft

>>723846073
The enlightened contrarian

>>723846101
Yes, it's fun to play. It's the last Souls game that actually plays like a Souls game, and Souls games are fun.

>>723846249
DaS2 objectively doesn't not play like a Souls game. It plays like a cheap knock off of one, but not the real thing at all.

>>723845621
Every level in every videogame ever made is linear you fucking doofus. Progression is not.

>>723846249
>It's the last Souls game that actually plays like a Souls game
>movement is far worse than DS1 or DeS
Makes you think.

We may more may not all like DS2, but at least it doesn't have a massive open world with nothing to do except awful slop content strewn about and bosses that just read all your inputs until they decide to stop having a melty. The soul truly is gone from this series...

>>723846305
>>723846327
Wrong. I could keep arguing but I don't see the point.
I'm convinced at this point you fags haven't even played it. Here's your last (You).

>>723846305
>dude that dark souls game is not dark souls, it feels like a knock off
You don't have a coherent opinion, you have a psychotic episode. Get lobotomized. It won't make you like DS2 but it will make other people not waste time for such low tier drivel.

>>723846101
It's fun if you're willing to change your build to adapt to different situations. I don't mean switching from dexterity to strength or intelligence, I mean having different weapons.

If you're a strength character, have a crossbow, an ultra sword, and a small mace, or a shield. Or if you're a mage, have more than one weapon that scales with INT and an INT bow. More in that sense of variety.

If you like that, then yes, it's fun.

>>723844912
>Dark souls 1 keeps the meaningless random zombie slow and makes him stutter, barely a threat, because he isn't the threat of the level and is instead an obstacle
>Dark Souls 2 just fills the level with guys who walk fast at you and lock you in combat despite still being piss easy, because they're meant to be the threat of the level

I like DS2 because it has the same movement controls as one of my favorite games ever made - Mario 64 DS

>>723846420
I played DaS2 at midnight on release, which is way before you and any other DaS2 bandwaggoner contrarian zoomer.

>>723846420
>Wrong
Very simple anon, when I role in DeS and DS1 the I frames work, this is not the case in DS2. Therefore the movement and mechanics are very much not the same.

>>723846448
It was cool that it gave you those options, and it's one of the game's few genuine advantages.
However, there is nearly no need to ever actually use them all, since the level and enemy design is so trite and simplistic. You roll, and you attack the enemy. Might as well just powerstance something because there's nothing else to the game.

>>723846420
The game does clearly have distict differences in movement compared to DS1, would be disingenuous to say otherwise, hell there are vids in this thread showing it.

>>723846452
See this just proves DS2 haters never played it. If you did you'd instantly recognize No Man's Wharf, and you'd know the threat of that level isn't the hollows, it's these assholes.

>>723846581
>there is nearly no need to ever actually use them all, since the level and enemy design is so trite and simplistic
>You roll, and you attack the enemy
but enough about ds3

>>723846672
Hey those Varangian dual wielders can fuck you up if you're slacking.

Thoughts?

>>723846672
Nothing in DS2 is that memorable, anon.
You also still don't get it. I don't mean "which is the tough enemy in the entire area", I mean those zombies literally stand in the way while you get firebombs chucked at you and you're shot from above. They are an obstacle. They are thrown into encounters alongside other enemies, in cramped spaces, etc.
The enemies in No Man's Wharf are just pointless enemies to pad out an area with no actual design.

>go into DS2 hate video
>go to comments
>/popcorn as I read through paragraphs and paragraphs, sometimes seeing multiple posts from the same people

>>723846751
DS2 is and always was worse for it.
No amount of revisionism will change this.

>>723846901
Completely shit take.

>>723846983
>Nothing in DS2 is that memorable
Then how did I remember it?
>No actual design
There's an entire lighting system in the area you have to activate to driver the dark stalkers off

>>723845997
i genuinely cant imagine anything more pathetic than shilling your video on 4chan that's piggybacking off of someone else's success

Why is dark souls 2 the only game with switches and things you can activate by shooting them with a bow or attacking them. ER fire pillars in catacombs don't count

I'll never get why people shit on DS2 than hide behind DS1 as if that game doesn't just oscililate between good and bad before it becomes bad near the end. There's so little variation before you kinda see it all and get bored.

DS3 players are the only morally just people

>>723846983
>Nothing in DS2 is that memorable, anon.
Couldn't be farther from the truth. There is something memorable in every Dark Souls... except 3 because that one prides itself on its memberberries.

If you would have told me that 10 years on /v/ would STILL be having full threads of arguing about DS2, I would have... well, probably believed you I guess...

>>723847346
Never understood the hate even pre-nerf, zone is a ranged option check for literally any build

>>723847346
>b-b-but the big open flat pond where you lure one enemy at a time!!!!!!
>b-b-b-but Dark Souls 3...
>b-b-b-but Dark Souls 3 was actually a sequel which is wrong and bad, sequels are meant to be random disconnected garbage desperately tied to the first game at the last minute
I truly cannot understand how you retards think you have a point. Autism has ruined generations I swear.

I was super hyped for DS2 played it on release before all the reviews came out, never finished it, it was the only from game that I didn’t bother playing all the way through

>>723828028
I agree with all of these points except maybe the npc invasions (das 2 doesn't have noticeably better ones than other titles) and I still know it's the least enjoyable to play through

>>723847970
>das 2 doesn't have noticeably better ones
Mauldron was peak

>>723845180
You're a faggot, live with it.

Honestly darksouls was an okay game that just felt hard because of esoteric information. When you knew what you were doing in darksouls or read the wiki the game was substantially easier.

Ironically that made for a perfect flash in the pan kind of game because it fed off word of mouth and passing around information. Which works really well for internet discussions sparking more popularity.

>>723828028
>who cares
>who cares
>who cares
>terrible gimmick
>good
>nothing new for the series
>okay
>good
>annoying boss mechanic that's only enjoyable with no internet
It would probably be a good game if it didn't look like shit and had controls even remotely similar to the other games in the series.

>>723848025
It's disappointing that neither Ds3 nor ER have made an effort to make the NPCs interesting as DS2.

https://youtu.be/MTD_um5sc30?si=hwUskOmT2P3ULSTJ

>>723847278
I'm starting to believe they're the only same fanbase of the Souls games.

>>723848363
I care, post invalidated, better luck next time.

>>723828028
>>Best PvP
>When Soul Memory is a thing
Actually fucking kys

>>723824331 (OP)
As a ds2 defender, I really disliked the video. Dude just comes off extremely high and mighty. However, comparing the ds2 critics to DSP was a fucking brutal move, so kudos for that.

>>723847486
Cool, DS3 is still a boring gray game.

>>723824331 (OP)
why does the animation for the bright cave tseldora soldiers look so jank?

>>723848876
Yes. Soul Memory does not directly impact PvP gameplay in any way, it's literally just a bracket system to keep PvP fair.
Frankly it's overhated, the brackets are very wide and you get to play with anyone 5 brackets below you or 5 brackets above you. Most people play PvP at SL 150, and end up in more or less the same bracket. Certainly within 5 of each other. It only becomes a problem if you farm for hours when looking for a specific weapon or consumable, which is what the agape ring is for.

>>723849018
>b-b-b-but Dark Souls 3

>>723847219
Its the difference in design between liking one mega dungeon vs 5 smaller dungeons.

>>723824331 (OP)
this video fucking sucks

>>723846452
what is this greentext even supposed to mean?

>>723847206
ds2 is the only one with any kind of level interactivity. Except like one part in demons souls you hit a boulder to smash enemies.

Dark Souls 2 is just kind of...fine.
I don't get why people hate it, and I think people who exalt it as being the best in the series are coping a bit.

It had a lot of potential, but like every From game after Dark Souls 1, dropped the ball in many regards.

>>723851582
ds1 is just kind of...fine. Worse even

>>723851724
>stand between a gap
>try to move after already falling

>>723851381
it's pseudo youtube speak rot

>>723824331 (OP)
i played 2 when i was a neet and the sounds of majula echoing through the empty house during the day are very nostalgic

>>723833359
Majula is the most comfy place in souls. Firelink has it's own charms but I prefer the atmosphere and lighting of Majula. Not and asshurt anti Elden Ring guy but the round table hold only felt like a guild hall. DaSIII's firellink was too dreary for me but some people like it.

>Dark Souls 1 just fills the level with guys who walk slow at you and lock you in combat despite still being piss easy, because they're meant to be the threat of the level
>Dark souls 2 keeps the meaningless random zombie slow and makes him stutter, barely a threat, because he isn't the threat of the level and is instead an obstacle
And when DS2 does exactly that this retard baby casual fanbase is throwing hissy fits because pressing the roll button at the right time isn't the challenging part in Shrine of Amana. This fake fanbase can go fuck its self. You can like DS1 because you were 12 and binged on vati videos and it cured your depression or some other pussy youtube shit, but dont argue with me about facts. If you just admit you're soft and retarded so be it. You're allowed to like what you like because muh feels but it doesn't stand up to science.

>comparing DaS1 to SotFS
Dishonest as fuck. Compare it to release DaS2.

>>723852925
SotFS is way better than vanilla

>>723853032
I know, that is why is isn't honest to compare the upgraded one to the launch one.

>>723852925
Okay. Then stop bring up DS1's DLC as the best part of the game and insisting that DS2 can't do the same.
Also, 8 FPS Blight Town for DS1 at release. Nothing in DS2 tops that mess.

>>723852925
why?

>>723852263
>You can like DS1 because you were 12 and binged on vati videos
Zoomie everyone on /v/ has hated this faggot because he'd just steal lore theories from here

>>723824331 (OP)
I don't get this guy
He makes lore videos where he hallucinates entire character backstories and political intrigue just based off of etymology of character names or inferring the plot by assuming its based on gnosticism and then just applying gnostic parallels to everything.
And whenever someone asks him how he came to a certain conclusion he just says something like "I've been studying FromSoft games for over 10 years" without answering or elaborating.

All DS2 fans just need to accept that they are still part of the Souls series, and although their game generally considered the by the general audience to be the worst one, its still a Souls Game.
its like being the kid in the prestigious family that didn't do as well, he might not be a mega billionaire and the others inside the family and they poke fun at him for it, but the dude is still a millionaire with lasting generational wealth and a prestigious family name.

>>723854427
All the real lore of substance (as in being derived from the games and having at best only one degree of separation from the source material) has been mined out of these games ages ago and presented either with better cinematography or long winded totality.
So the only avenues left are digging into the super minor details in level design to add more context which is a small and painstaking well to draw from, or start coming up with bullshit.
Its also why there are AI souls lore channels popping up now, that just spew bullshit to serve as background noise.

>>723855340
How's it going DS2 webm sctizo, you can throw a tantrum as many times as you want but I do hope someday you can be ok with DS2s place in the series instead of throwing tantrums.

>>723855478
Oh no the retard soft souls community has this to say about ds2.
>"the enemies doing things is bad, objectively.."
How will i cope

>DS2 webms just prove how bad the game is
Amazing how she shoots herself in the foot every time.

>>723855097
>general audience to be the worst one, its still a Souls Game.
The general audience i.e., DS3 secondaries have such awful takes though. They obsess over rolling and bosses because the game they started with lacks substance that the first 3 games had.

>>723855486
you need to watch the 1 hour vaati video on why Seeth needed to clear the trees so those guys could stand there

https://youtu.be/MTD_um5sc30?si=Bew2h6QRmlaNXWy1
Imagine if any of the ER npcs had any sort of personality aside from their costumes

>>723856560
DS2 npcs are so braindead that they stay in one place most of the time.

>>723855486
>Has a heal spell equipped
>Also has a flask
>Is at hath(i forgot how to tell the word for 1/2 sry not ESL just a stroke victim) HP
Why doesn't he heal?

>>723856597
>Hate DS2 as if it raped you
>Clearly never even played it
What causes this phenomenon?
Even the shop keepers in DS2 have more personality

>>723856845
DS2 has Maldron and the other Summons in the DLC.
DS1 has the Cleric Subplot including the Lautrec and Oswald dialogues.
These are two different beasts where one is trying to emulate online player interactions and the other one is trying to do charcterbuilding in a storyline.

>>723845816
He got mindbroken by the double dragon rider boss, and the drakekeepers
His opinion on gameplay is hurt by how bad he is at actually playing the game.

>>723857172
Matt's biggest strength and weakness is that he has very particular autism around the act of playing games that clearly displays bis biases.
Its useful for analyzing games is a scientific sense but for value judgments he should not be given credence.

>>723856845
>spend 2000 souls for armor
>darkie starts acting like a rich asshole
>only give the ladder dude 500 souls
>he's offended and makes sure you have a tough time
>"don't release me, I will try to kill"
>*release him*
>he tries to kill you
>the fucking cat
>if you don't have enough int/faith spell merchants are dicks
>headless warrior
I find DaS2 to be very memorable. Yes, I played DeS in '10 and DaS in '11 so it isn't like I'm biased by my first game. The only weak part of DaS2 NPCs is bear seek seek lest. I'm not comparing it to any other game, I'm just expressing my love for DaS2 NPCs.

>>723845816
The best th9ing about him being DaS1 fags' champion is he doesn't even like DaS1, he's asshurt they made DeS again and that no other game should be like it since he liked it a lot. He's the same dude who gives his approval for any DMC type slop.

>>723857564
What is ti with the Irish and having mutant tastes that value novelty over quality in regards to games.

Look man, I'm not gonna pretend the game isn't very deeply flawed, but when all the flaws people say constantly are either objectively incorrect, like the supposed constant ganks, or actually done the best in this game than in the entire series, hitboxes, it's hard to not act like a contrarian.

>>723857440
>Spend even more souls on him, his hollowfication worsen and he even forgets why he needs money in the first place
Atleast the blacksmith guy sorta has a good ending even if his daughter did forget him

oh my god who the fuck cares

>>723860357
*raises paw* I do!

Dark Souls 2 truly is... a game.