Thread 723854642

Too many players have been using Portal Mode to kill bots and unlock weapons.
EA has now directly removed bot XP, so you can no longer kill bots to unlock weapons.

>>723854642 (OP)
I don't care. Why would anyone care about EA milslop? Why did you waste a thread on this?

>>723854642 (OP)
Good. You should be forced to pay real money to progress anyway.

>>723854881
The faggots are screaming.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield6/comments/1ocgsj2/portal_experiences_nerfed_to_the_ground/

>>723854642 (OP)
So all the people who didn't abuse this are stuck with impossible challenges to complete now.

>>723855142
so much seething kek

>>723855301
Guess you should have farmed them asap like a cocksmoker just like the rest.

Rip bozo.

The only shit thing is now there is no reason to ever play Portal because all the gear is still tied to your main level, so playing say Noobcore or Tank superiority without any upgrades is impossible. lmao DICE is such a shit company, just blacklist the word "XP" in the fucking portal listing and sweep any obvious bot farmers, lazy cunts can't even janny properly.

>weapons are fun
>devs nerf them to make them unfun
>players don't wanna grind so they can have fun
>devs nerf it every time
Why are companies like this, it's like they don't want anyone playing their games

>>723855501
because skins and player retention farming due to in-house data collection and surveys third-worlders answer to earn 10 cents per submission.

>>723855142
oh boy they should see cod camo requirements

>>723855725
except in cod you can do them in the available maps

half the servers still have xp and challenges working fine. they didn't fully nerf it for some reason

I live in the asia region so there's nothing but bots even in official servers.

>>723854642 (OP)
Unlocking weapons and gadgwts via specifc challenges is absolute dogshit game design for a team based multiplsyer game. It is retarded, it kills teamwork, it is surrogate labor, it is soulless trash gameplay. It has been a cancer on online shooters ever since valve introduced it in 2008, yet another cancer valve gave us.

>bf6 is announced
>basic bitch modern day with zero innovation or new features, fuck that
>of course i'm gonna get i on sale but i'm not paying $70 to play bf3 again
>find out it's on the $20 subscription service, let's go
>unlock attachments after each match, nice
>but weapon unlocks are slow
>and weapon camos does not exist
gameplay is solid but the unlock system is not fun at all

>>723857953
Its not THAT bad desu but the real issue is that somehow for a gorillion dollar game not a single person actually tested these challenges. It's actually unbelievable how they put 6k vehicle repair in a single match.

The second problem is the fact that all the gadgets you unlock are absolutely worthless due to the very fast pace of the game except for the assault's spawn beacon which is easy to get. All the best stuff is unlocked within the first few hours and there is not a single reason to use the garbage gadgets you unlock.

Look at the engi's launchers, youre actively cucking yourself if you are using any launcher other than the RPG. Its fast, you can aim it quickly and shoot it in a second and duck back into cover compared to the AT4 which has pointless laser guidance (useless) and one less rocket. This isnt some Squad shit so you need to guide your rocket 500m or look at the Javelin where you have to expose yourself like a retard to lock in then the fucking thing needs a clear line of sight and all that to do the same damage as the RPG with one less rocket and better pray the fucking rocket doesn't hit something mid flight or a Battledad spots you in the open and gets an easy kill in 200ms. You also cant destroy walls with the javelin either. His AT mines are the same thing, the default ones are best and most numerous the other gimmick mines are garbage.

EOD bot is fun the first two times but then you'll never use it again and the supply crate is useless since no vehicles ever even get close to using up all their ammo.

Support mortar? Useless. His incendiary grenades? Useless. Assault breaching gadget? Does nothing. His concussion/stun grenades? Do nothing. The incendiary shotgun? Useless unless you are literally point blank and then it's two shots with the fire dot being negligible.

Best guns in the game? M4 carbine and MP5 you get right at the start. Other (subjectively) good like the G36C or the SCAR or shotgun are all early unlocks.

>>723854642 (OP)
>>723855142
What does modern FPS gaming gain from matchmaking, rank, exp, and all this bullshit SEA monkey level number grinding?

Fuck I didn't see this thread.
Did anyone use the svk in the beta? It feels super nerfed now in comparison. I find little reason to use it instead of the m39

Funny, you can still earn crazy XP in the coop mode of this one just blasting away at waves of tarded bots, and every Wednesday is a triple-XP event that lets you make crazy gains

>>723858918
Its insanely good for counter sniping as you can 2shot them but you have no glint so they are clueless from where they're getting shot

>>723854642 (OP)
Typical shit dev behavior. Playing against bots is the only way to have fun in this game between the awful netcode and rampant cheaters.

>>723859580
I use 6x with it so they spot me quickly anyways but the 2 shot at any distance is absurdly good, that's pretty much it though. It felt like the recoil recovery in beta was way better than it is now, also fire rate.

>>723854642 (OP)
That's fine with me, I already unlocked the PSR and a bunch of other shit doing it before they caught on

>>723858831
player retention, it works extremely well because fans love it

>>723858148
>weapon camos does not exist
Wrong

I hope both Battlefield 6 and Black Ops 7 flop and bomb just like Final Fantasy XV

>>723854642 (OP)
It's because in 6 months to a year they're going to release the booster packs to unlock every weapon for each class like they've done the last few Battlefields and they don't want people having a free alternative

>>723858831
Player retention. Aka the most important thing for a multiplayer game

I still don't understand what "Portal" is.
Is it a separate game? Always just sounded like the regular game, but vehicles are random and the game modes are gimmicky.

>>723854642 (OP)
So there's no way to even complete challenges against bots now? That makes most of the class and weapon challenges impossible to complete.

>recon subclass challenge requires hours of grinding or colluding
>other subclass challenges can be done in a match or two
>the best map for consistent 150m+ kills is defends on an escalation map that is nearly impossible to even take first point on, so is anti-fun for literally everybody involved
>>723858737
>not a single person actually tested these challenges
I refuse to believe they did anything but throw darts when deciding progression
>>723860150
They're universal camos so they're better in every single way imo, I don't get his deal

>>723860263
It's like Forge in the old Halo games, where you create your own custom game modes and can edit the maps.

>>723860385
Just go into class-locked playlists, those are full of bots. Still counts for progression.

>>723860258
>>723860121
Sounds pretty gay

>>723859126
You could always get XP and complete challenges against bots in 2042 as well. No idea why they are doing this, but I blame Zampella 100%. Battlefield is dead because they made DICE a secondary studio on their own franchise.

>>723854642 (OP)
Exploit early exploit often. But seriously even reddit turned on this shit. We can still play bf4 at least.

>>723858737
Kills under adrenaline injector didn't work in Conquest or Escalation. I had to play Rush/Breakthrough for it. Now it's 30 kills on concussed enemies. It's just not tested at all.

Are the bots actually good?

>>723860447
"Edit the maps"? Sure; lmao.

My biggest complaint is classes feel so soulless. Engineers, assault, etc. all felt so distinct and playing them you had a heavy role that, if you didn't carry your weight in, it was felt. Badly.

Seems like a lot of classes have ways to deal with tanks, when that should be engineer only. Shit, I got killed in a tank by a sniper with mines because I guess they have those? Not to mention there's so many tow launchers laying around why bother playing engy? You're nerfing yourself by not using a class that gets better bonuses with objectively better weapon types.

It reminds me of Planetside 2 where everyone just played Heavy Assault for similar reasons.

I'm overall having fun but it just seems like the bar was so low from BF2042 people let them get away with a lot of shit to say this is a great BF game. They got the class formula correct in previous games, they keep trying to re-invent the wheel and always take several steps back. I mean fuck, why has Support and Medic been combined into one class? They shouldn't be at all. Let Assault be your run and gun faggot class, Medic be more focused on healing and revives, and Support be focused on resupply and suppression. Give tons of XP for doing shit your class should be doing.

>>723860938
Yes. Edit the maps. They let you download the SDK so you can alter the maps, move things, add stuff, etc.

>>723860913
>didn't work in Conquest or Escalation

are you sure? I only play conquest and I got the kills. I think the timing is off as you get the boost for longer but need to get a kill right after stimming like within 1-2 seconds for it to count

Same with concussed, the grenade is useless so the radius of the thing is pathetic along with its effect. You will get a hit marker even it someone is on the furthest point but it will not stay longer than a second.

god forbid you actually play the games you pay for

>>723854642 (OP)
they should have just added servers costs. even a 5 dollar server rental would have filtered 99% of spics farming this shit. Now that sniper challenge is going to be such bullshit

>>723860938
Look it up, shit's remarkably in-depth. One guy made it play fucking Bad Apple just with a week's experimentation.
https://youtu.be/SyCuoRlHFXo?si=sOkRA1GXgBdTkIEj

>Guns, gadgets, etc. should be xp unlocks, simply obtained from playing the respective class
>Camos and cosmetic shit should be challenge focused unlocks, even from the campaign like beating it on Hard or whatever
It's that easy. I don't get why these retards complicate it.

BF6's challenges are actually dogshit with some being actually impossible to do in a regular game

>>723854642 (OP)
Why not just have it count for less?

>>723861782
Because nobody involved in making this has ever played Battlefield before and certainly don't play their own game. It doesn't help that the faggot who created Call of Duty is in charge of it now.

>>723861814
For real. I've never seen challenges this bad in any game I've ever played. The distance based ones don't even make any sense considering the maps aren't big enough to accommodate things like getting headshots from over 300 meters or whatever it is. The Bullet Storm challenge is the most tedious garbage imaginable. I just want to unlock a new gun for Support and without being able to do it with bots I'm not sure I'll ever actually get the 300 suppression medals you need for it...

>>723862437
I have been playing Support a whole lot and I have FIVE suppressions. I have no fucking idea what it wants, because it apparently isn't shooting at or near the enemy.

why does the game automatically queue before i can look at what i unlocked after a match
a lot of annoying small shit like that in this game
and why does my fps drop when i scope in

>>723858918
I used it to do the DMR headshot challenge and found it to be pretty average. You can get countersniper kills but you have to be fast - once they see you you're likely dead. It's also hopeless on smaller maps like Cairo

>>723863565
i did it in a bot lobby, you wanna be about 100-150m away, target the enemy, spray and pray, pretend to aim at them but let the natural inaccuracy do its thing and you will get a suppress. it's basically a reward for having your cursor on an enemy but not killing them while using an lmg

>>723863565
Might be some hidden bullshit like suppressing enemies on an objective. I've also found Conquest to be very hit and miss when awarding challenge points. Try Rush, hose A & B and see if it makes a difference

>>723861029
>I got killed in a tank by a sniper with mines because I guess they have those?

>Recon throws C4 on your tank
>You are near allied tank mines
>kaboom

>>723860569
You can play offline practice against bots only in TF2 and STILL get item drops like normal, and achievements. BF6 and Wild Assault are the only games I know of that do shit like this.

Any tips for getting 10 sniper headshots over 200m in one match? Don't say bot lobbies

>>723863565
You have to be a certain distance away (something like 50-100m I think), you have to miss most of your shots, and the person has to run to cover. It's stupid as fuck.

>>723854642 (OP)
Based EA. Players should earn accolades honestly, fuck boosting scum

I'm having a BLAST

>>723864303
The only map you can even hope to achieve this on is Firestorm. And the person has to be pretty damn near the opposite side of the map from you. All of the other maps except maybe Mirak Valley are too small to even do it.

>>723865073
That's what I've been thinking. The hills in Mirak are great vantage points but most of the fighting takes place inside the warehouses, so I've found it hard to pick out targets. Also, the visual noise of the refinery makes rangefinding difficult. I'll have another crack at it tonight

>>723861685
????
Why did no one talk about this if it's literally a better Forge?
>"they did"
I have been here every day for almost two decades.

>>723854642 (OP)
bot shit doesn't matter, all but a few cosmetics you'll unlock through normal play anyway

what does matter is the awful tiny maps and janky as fuck netcode

>>723855725
>comparing camo unlocks to unlocking a fucking gun

>>723866691
Guess you just ignored it. The version of Portal in 2042 didn't have this level of creative freedom, but it did have maps and weapons from 1942, Bad Company 2, and BF3 that you could mix and match around to create custom what-if scenarios and weird game types.

>>723866825
>all but a few cosmetics you'll unlock through normal play anyway

Unlikely. Apparently you haven't actually looked through any of the challenges because most are extremely obtuse and shitty, and more than half of the unlockable weapons and class equipment are earned through these challenges rather than leveling.

>>723866960
But people talked about it here, extensively?

>>723867021
Some of them may take a while or require you to use modes/classes/weapons you'd rather not use, but they don't require you to do anything extraordinary.
The nigh-impossible ones that require you to do a bunch of shit in a single life or whatever are just for skins.

>>723864126
>BF6 and Wild Assault are the only games I know of that do shit like this.
Isonzo did it when they fell for the XP grinding bullshit.

>>723863565
The suppression effect starts when one bullet flies within 5m of an enemy
There are 2 issues with the suppression challenge.
>not having the default skin can break challenges so what you do doesn't get counted
>it doesn't count it if only 1 bullet moves past an enemy but require quite a lot

They did this with BF2042 as well, you could still get XP for kills from bots but not progression on weapons and assignments.

>>723870237
>but not progression on weapons and assignments.
Those work in 2042, at least since this year.

>>723868646
>not having the default skin can break challenges so what you do doesn't get counted

>>723854642 (OP)
Too slow Dice, too slow. I already completed that shit.
Better luck next time.

>>723854642 (OP)
Battlefield 6 gives me 2042 deja vu
Almost identical games, almost identical problems, even this news about people farming bots for experience was also present in 2042

>>723871578
Welcome to modern day game dev.
No clue why it is that way but it is a common fix when your assignments are stuck.
Worked for me too.

>>723858737
The map design has been like that with bf3 and onwards, only difference is the black outline used to be drawn further out. But all the flags were tightly clustered like that.

You have to go back to BF2 to get actual good open map design. Or BF2042 actually but that game had a terrible launch and people didnt want to give it a second chance. They shoukd just port BF2 & BF2042 maps tp BF6. Not the trashy BF3 maps.

>The second problem is the fact that all the gadgets you unlock are absolutely worthless due to the very fast pace of the game
It's slower than BF3 and that's a good thing.

>>723858148
They already made leveling faster to placate cod retards, what more do you want

>>723860929
Thar are bf 1942 type of retarded

>>723871617
>grinding unfun things in a video game because you have fomo and no job
you're the only one who lost here

>>723858918
>fun weapon
>nerfed/ruined a little after release
is this your first battlefield?

>>723864126
you mean i can afk grind in TF2 and get valve monopoly money?

>>723858918
What do you mean? It's still a 2 shot kill regardless of distance. I have a grip, suppressor, 5x optic and a backup reflex sight and it works pretty well.

>>723854642 (OP)
That feeling when I haven't bought an EA or Activision/Blizzard title in over a decade is so fucking sweet.

>>723858918
DICE make weapons op and nerf others to mix up the meta from what they said in BF2042. The VHX was the meme weapon for a while, then they nerfed that and made other weapons OP.

They usually nerf the current OP weapons when the new season weapons and make those OP.

>>723864126
When tf2 launched this unlock system it didnt even have bots. They didnt make bots until years later

The big maps like mirak valley and sobek play better in hardcore conquest. Much more deliberate and slower paced. Unfortunately there arent many hardcore servers.

>>723871985
>Almost identical games
Meds

>>723860714
why bother? bf6 is the same slop but faster

>>723855301
>impossible challenges
Just git gud homo

>>723854642 (OP)
All their e-grifting parasocialites have had enough time to feed the algorithm with retarded guides and can now spam montages with all unlocks for the remaining 3ish weeks of coverage they're paid for.

The bullet storm assignment for the m240b is dogshit. It's going to take forever. Is it even worth it? I can't imagine the m240 being better the vector

the rubberbanding is insane in this game

>>723879892
I don't get any rubber banding in my 50 hours

>>723880386
Skill issue

>>723866149
Bind right click to steady aim while zoomed.
Bind left click to rangefind
Add rangefinder to sniper
?????
Instant headshots at any range

>>723881692
Have you tested this?

>>723854642 (OP)
Actually Good unless challenges like >>723855725
Unlocking system is fun when the grinding is moderate.

>>723878257
Bf4 literally has faster movement speed. All these bf3 & bf4 fans who complain about bf6 being too fast are just battledads who grew old.

>>723881692
I think they patched this, i was trying to bind m1 to rangefinder yesterday and it wouldnt let me

>>723884208
>comparing raw sprint speed
now compare ADS strafe speed, movement acceleration, movement options like sliding, jumping while shooting, dropshotting, etc.
Sprint speed doesn't mean jack shit, you're not shooting while you're sprinting. Meanwhile BF4 had slow molasses strafe speed so you couldn't just ADAD spam to your heart's content (and if you did you suffered a heavy spread penalty for it), there was no sliding so you couldn't so that call of duty slidehop bullshit, you couldn't shoot while jumping or proning so no ADHD jumpshots or dropshots to get you out of your your dogshit habits. BF6 has all of those things, on top of even worse hitbox/animation desyncs which exacerbate the issue even further.

>>723854642 (OP)
>removed the kill-bot XP
just weapon xp

everything else you can still unlock through bots
like class skins and new weapons

>>723858831
I think there's nothing wrong with getting more xp if you are good at the game

>>723854642 (OP)
This happened in 2042 I don't know what they were expecting especially when they made a game FOR codfags

>>723854642 (OP)
When did they add the ability for players to crawl after being shot and then getting shot again to die and not get revived? Why did they do this

>>723860263
Some stupid shit so DICE doesnt have to make a proper server browser

>>723854642 (OP)
why buy the game just to not play the game?
i dont get it
i thought bf6 was the best bf ever and everyone loved it
why use bots to skip half the game

>>723861814
what kind of a retarded image is that? Faggot, I was playing Doom, II, Hexen, Duke Nukem, Unreal, UT, Quake, Quake II, Soldier of Fortune, Half Life, CS, Chasm, etc, etc, etc long before your retarded ass was born. Even the fresh picrel mogs the shit out of your worthless bullshit.

>>723884782
Faggot

>>723885329
That's not a thing in any of the normal game modes. You can get dragged while being revived. You can't crawl.

You can do that in most BR/Extraction games, that was something you could do in 2042's extraction mode and I assume it's going to be a thing in BF6's extraction/BR mode as well.

I literally just want a combat training mode to exist in a single modern FPS with its own separate XP bar and unlocks

>going out of your way to do challenges in a war game
You will get them all naturally over time anyways why are people so focused on "unlocking things" as fast as possible just play the game

>>723858831
>tranimeposter
>most retarded post you've ever seen
Name a better duo

>>723854642 (OP)
You shouldn't even need to grind shit to unlock weapons they should be all unlocked right away. I fucking hate the fact that every online game needs to have some kind of retarded grind.

>honeymoon period coming to an end
>NPC retard fans finally realising they've been sold a worse version of Ground war from MWII (2022)
love to see it lol

>>723886103
I agree with you but some are actually retarded like getting 150 headshots at long range to unlock a weapon when the largest map is a medium sized BF3 map

>>723854642 (OP)
This game is fucked post launch. They didnt fix any of the bugs from the beta. There are so many blatant issues and the patches have been pretty slow. They probably already moved all their focus onto the BR mode and then once they drop that they probably wont support either of them post launch lmao. i really have no clue what their plan is. all in on titanfall 3 maybe? it doesnt seem like this game was meant to be long term

>>723886639
>titanfall 3
>from the fags at Respawn
Yeah no thanks I'd prefer if they leave the IP dead instead of raping it any further.

>>723886103
What if your favorite gun is locked behind one of these challenges? makes more sense to grind it out in an hour so you can enjoy yourself instead of suffer 60 hours with gear that you don't want to use.

>>723886103
Some of them are nearly impossible unless you cheese them.

For example the last engineer challenge is getting 6000 repair in a match.
Thing is that repairing a tank from near destroyed to full is the same as repairing a jeep from near destroyed to full. Both grant the same amount of progress just that repairing the tank takes way more time and it's essentially impossible to get 6k repairs in a match that way.
So instead of just being on dedicated repair duty for a vehicle that is actually useful to your team you'll need to grab a jeep, take it somewhere remote, damage it, hop in for 3 seconds, hop out, repair, repeat.

Others are broken in other ways: the support one that requires you to deal 2000 or 3000 damage with the incendiary airburst only counts the first tick of damage you deal on a DIRECT HIT. So you have a weapon that has a range of 25m max, has a 1 round mag, 3 ammo total, is slow to get ammo from boxes and hits for 12 dmg for the purpose of that challenge requiring you to deal several thousand points of damage.

Others that I remember being a complete pain in the ass were the suppression one for the first LMG weapon challenge and the assault one that requires you to deal damage with the incendiary shotgun gadget.
Oh, and the 150 headshots at 200+ meters for the PSR sniper.

>>723886103
No some of the challenges are so retarded you have to actively grief the your team to get them.
Case in point: LMG bulletstorm assignment requiring for you to "suppress" enemies i.e. miss them with half your mag. And all that 300 times.

>>723854642 (OP)
I did not even buy the BF6, because it isn't worth 70 or 100 bucks. The same basic FPS with a bit of an improved graphics, that the company can churn out every year anyway simply isn't worth that much money.
I will probably pick up BF6 and have some fun with for a few evenings when it will be on a discount and cost something like 10 or 20 dollars. Then it'll be worth it. Hell, maybe even 30. But not more than that.

>>723858148
>gameplay is solid but the unlock system is not fun at all
and they already nerfed all the xp requirements by half and increased xp rewards by 50%

>>723885978
I was crawling in conquest. Someone shot me and on the revive screen i could crawl and they had to double tap me to stop team mates from reviving me

>>723887059
The xp was never the issue, aside from the difference getting a grip and laser make for weapon performance.
It was always about the gay challenges.

>>723887150
agreed, i just finished getting kills with the adrenaline booster (worthless) and flashbang grenades (worthless) and i've never had less fun with the game
just to unlock the fucking spawn beacon which doesn't even belong on the assault class to begin with

>modern call of duty
>but with long spawn timers
>and worse maps
>and no kill streaks
>and a worse progression system
it'd be more gratifying to just slowly pull your eyelashes out one by one than play this shite

>>723886912
NTA but I really like
-NVO assault rifle
-SG553 carbine (mastery 36 on that one, I think it'll be my first mastery 50 gun)
-SCW SMG has a low ammo capacity but it drops people really fast.

KTS LMG is good at medium-long since it's a laser beam but I prefer the IAR.
QBZ carbine is pretty good too.

PSR sniper rifle has the highest sweet spot distance I think and it comes with 10x optic by default which is its biggest strength IMO.


As for class challenges
Assault: I recommend getting the spawn beacon ASAP if you play with friends. The incendiary shotgun is dogshit.
Engineer: the vehicle resupply box and the second specialization are pretty great if you spend a lot of time in armor. The wire guided rocket launcher is fun to use but you only get 2 ammo for it total.
Support: smoke launcher is overall just worse than carrying smoke nades because it's slow to get ammo for. Second support spec is great if you're on ammo duty for your engineers. Incenduary airburst is super situational but I like it.
Recon: C4 is a amazing against armor, crap against infantry, second recon spec is great if you stick close to your team and don't snipe. Dart gun is not terrible but recons have other options that are just better. I'd say recon has the most useful gadgets.

>>723887124
You sure it was normal rules conquest?

https://youtu.be/Umw-SKuh0LY
Season 1 trailer

>>723887928
>The wire guided rocket launcher
No reason to ever use anything but the RPG. The damage is the same, you can duck down after shooting and you get more ammo.
If you want to shoot helicopters at range you can use one of the many TOWs on the map.
Vehicle equipment balance is pretty messed up too.
>reinforced plating has no negative effect
>mobility upgrade does nothing
>field maintenance doesn't make you heal any faster and makes you regain ammo slower
>counter fire radar needs to be activated and only shows enemies after they damaged you while threat detector shows all nearby enemies
>mine countermeasures are just way better than smoke

>>723889026
don't care
fix the fucking game

>>723889363
^this

>>723889053
>RPG is stupid fast and hitting choppers is almost trivial in this game
>AT4 can't even one shot choppers
Literally what's the point of the AT4 when it's harder to use and worse than the RPG for both land and air vehicles

>>723889816
There isn't any, same as with the javelin
The starter launcher at least has its starter status going for it.