Thread 723867115

Are they really THAT bad?

They're the clear cut good guys of the game

>>723867115 (OP)
their entire thing is preserving the status quo from before the war.
now think about the government of your country,
>are they really THAT bad?

Taxes are

LE BAD

maybe the real new vegas was the war crimes we committed along the way

>>723867115 (OP)
Not really. They're overextended and trying to do way too much with too little. NCR can use a good kick back to their borders so they can start focusing inwards.

>>723867115 (OP)
They are just as hypocritical as the legion, the lesser evil of the two.

>>723867115 (OP)
You're holding on too strongly to the same government system that helped fucked the world over in the first place.
Part of what you're supposed to see throughout the game is that the NCR fucking desperate and spread thin for resources, easily corruptible, easily infiltrated, and to many wastelanders' eyes: just the opposite side of the same invader coin.
You don't have to like the Legion, but the NCR is very flawed because of the fact that it attempts mimic our Republic.
still like the ncr ranger armor

>>723867487
>>723868435
There's no guarantee that the other options, in the far future, won't just result in another bureaucratic republic after a revolution or two. There's also no guarantee other forms of government aren't capable of nuclear war (remember that a communist China was the other major belligerent).
If you're a do-gooder character you might as well side with the most powerful faction that can do the most good for the communities of the Mojave in the present day, that means the NCR. You can play it diplomatically and make alliances. It's interesting that the NCR is so adaptable that it just takes one person doing the right thing to set it straight.
Anyway my point is that "fear for another nuclear war" applies to basically any faction because you can't control what might happen in the future (including House, once you're gone and can't protect him someone could easily assassinate him).

>>723867189
Yes Man is canon. Courier is neutral and has high luck.

>>723867115 (OP)
No, but they are deeply flawed. The big issue is that the senate are basically the bitches of the Brahmin Barons so do whatever the fuck they want. The expansionist bullshit is crippling them as well. The taxes wouldn't be as much of a big deal if they weren't going to dumb shit. Ultimately its got early 20th century living standards and you have the best chance to live an okay life there.

>>723868902
Canonically The Courier speedruns the Mojave and does few or zero sidequests. He doesn't stick around and lets the place be someone else's problem. That explains how it all went to hell versus the good endings you get if you bother to do everything the game throws at you.

>>723868669
The game railroads you in many ways to do the NCR stuff, especially during your first playthrough, but again it kind of shows you how incompetent and how out of control things got in their hand. Literally the first mission you do in the game is the consequence of them giving a bunch of criminals access to explosives. And the ramifications of that effects the early game.
You're right: there is no guarantee years into the future there isn't going to be another conflict; Human nature is filled with it.
But giving the keys back to the Republic is attempting to play a Nation's greatest hits soundtrack on a with a really broken recorder.
Part of the questioning of siding with the NCR is 'Do you think that the USA, with every single one of its old world-like flaws, deserves another chance?'
You're in a post apocalyptic world now— the Patriotism hat has been off, buried, and forgotten at this point.
Now you have to really decide.

>>723867115 (OP)
They're worse than bad: they're boring, the worst thing you can be in a fictional setting.

What will cannon courier look like in the 2nd season?

>>723872363
That is a fear of mine, I mean I would say they would have to be absolutely braindead and the most arrogant retards on earth to think that is a good idea in anyway but given season 1 was basically a game of "lets see how much we can fuck the NCR and the classic games" this shit will be no better if not exponentially worse, but in an entirely predictable and mundane way.

>>723872363
a hand in goodspring graveyard

>>723872363
Not there or ghoulified

>>723870212
The best thing that can happen to the NCR is them losing in the Mojave. Its just about how they do it, House's ending does it the most gracefully since they still get access to the dam they just have to pay for it. Which would mean they can still do business in the region and not have to worry about the Legion being so close to their heartland. Not to mention smaller actions throughout the game can lead to greater reform such as delivering evidence to screw over Crimson Caravan and The Van Graffs, as well as telling Hanlon to stop being a retard and get his shit together so he can run for the senate.

>>723873197
>telling Hanlon to stop being a retard
but then I have to fish for the cool revolver on veteran rangers, and aint nobody got time for that

>>723872363
We will just see his corpse in Goodsprings and then his role is relegated to the girl from previous season

>>723874314
You jest but I genuinely see them doing this.

>>723874314
>Give me platinum chip fish eyed bitch

>>723872363
already long gone east

>>723867115 (OP)
As other anons have pointed out they're good but they're overextending because of retarded expansionist policies by Kimball and Oliver while their actual capital is struggling with financial issues
The best ending in NV is objectively House. There is literally no bad consequence unless you're a paranoid reddit schizo who thinks capitalism bad. It's the best ending for the world as a whole as House rebuilds it through the economy in NV, the best ending for the Mojave as the towns only have to deal with some Housebots keeping watch (mostly for their safety) instead of being totally absorbed and forced to grow into something they aren't, the best for the NCR as they're forced to take care of their lands and expel Kimball and Oliver in favor of less corrupt officials, it disbands the Legion and the Khans... only bad part is mistakenly ending the Kings but tbf they are basically a street gang

>>723867115 (OP)
>>723867487
They're one of the gravest threats to human civilization the wasteland has ever seen.

>>723875395
Honestly sad that Fallout was so retarded from the beginning
Realistically nobody would give a shit about muh EQUALITY. Racism and such are completely normal in actual struggling societies and the NCR would have most certainly been one of them
Another case is House, love the man but honestly his nonchalant attitude towards faggotry makes no sense when he's an Andrew Ryan-style Ayn Rand libertarian who'd be extremely conservative in his views

>>723867115 (OP)
Why did Kyle McLachlan blow them up?

>>723867189
Until that cunt asks you to kill mr house for literally no reason

>>723867115 (OP)
No, they are corrupt as all shit but so is every other power that isn’t tiny and irrelevant.

>>723875829
>makes no sense
House simply gives very few fucks, and probably holds back commentary about sex as it is untoward, irrelevant to current mission, an so as to not come off as a hypocrite, seeing as he has 2 robot ladies.

>>723870212
>The game railroads you in many ways to do the NCR stuff
I actually completely missed the NCR route in my first playthrough. I got the message that the ambassador wants to see me, immediately forgot about it (was probably drunk) and never had any reason to go to that part of Vegas anyway.

>>723869475
>the courier is just a courier

>>723878649
M.D. Poltergeist
just a postman

>>723875829
maybe people don't seethe over other people as you do, until some king tells them to go kill themselves.
also what do you win in 3 billion years if your race does "win"? you didn't pick it. but i know its the only thing you got so go hard i guess.

>>723869475
There's a canonical conclusion of FNV? Isn't the West Coast untouched by Bethesda?

>>723878915
Corpfiction isn't canon, ignore his dumb ass

>>723867115 (OP)
it´s the post apocalipse
the whole world is like a cowboy favela zombie movie
it´s the anarco-libertarian paradise
and these fucking twats want to bring democratic republics back?
YES they really ARE that BAD

>>723879962
>anarcho-libertarian paradise
>getting raped by a pack of radioactive mutant niggers
Checks out

>>723880040
he thinks he'd be a cowboy born into a wasteland with no education, resources, malnourished and cancer ridden

>>723880040
there is no civilization anymore
in the wasteland. You must become the niggest

>>723880208
>a cowboy born into a wasteland with no education, resources, malnourished and cancer ridden
i live in Argentina and we actually had plenty of those back in the day
They are clalled Gauchos
main difference with cowboys is they use hatchets and slingshots instead of guns and rifles

>>723880542
thats cool, but doesn't refute my point.

>>723880627
nigga society goes back to Monkey and you mutts go extinct within one generation
all the gliphosates, microplastics, asbestus and lead you´ve been poisoned with only reached metropolitan areas in the south due to government corruption, general icompentence and countless logistic problems
bulk of our land and our volk are more than prepared to go full Kenshi when shit hits the fan mostly because in many regions we never stopped going full Kenshi

>>723880806
the problem is there are packs of elites roaming taking what they need, and none of like you. or what you in their club. you are not the pro-tag

>>723879962
You know most people don't like living in a lawless battle royale server for too long. That's why anarchy never lasts, nature abhors a vacuum and something has to fill the void before long. It's just a matter of what you want to fill the bubble with. A slave state where everyone worships one guy because no one is educated enough to question it? A bubble where all the rich people fuck off and everyone else gets left behind. Or a democracy where everyone is unsatisfied.

>>723867487
They have literally led to nuclear war. They're just trying to repeat the history.
The Legion is the only sensible option.

Nah, they're the only reasonable choice. I forget, did the guy in the TV show even explain why he nuked shady sands?

>>723881642
>The Legion is the only sensible option
Unless you're a woman or born infirm. And even then you get the glorious position of uneducated foot soldier who can only crawl up the social hierarchy if he kills enough people, presuming Eddy hasn't died of brain damage yet and you're not serving under Legate "Billions Must Die" Lanius

>>723880959
>there are packs of elites roaming taking what they need
sum up all the elites in the entirety of south america and they won´t be more than a couple thousands
the only real problem around here would be all the gangs formed out of former drug cartels

>California
>Is Californian faction evil?
Yes. Always.

>>723882281
sure thing buddy, i'm sure your papa is a great guy. you don't have to listen to his drunken racist ramblings

>>723882375
>Tranny commiefornian got absolutely BTFO'ed
Love to see it. Fuck off back to Mexico where you belong, Juan.

>>723882507
i don't see where thats happening, but you and your kind do like to live in your own world

>>723882621
>Xir replied AGAIN
LMAOOOOO

>>723882694
yep. fight me coward

>>723882851
Don't make me deadname you, FAGGOT.

>>723883128
go ahead, i identify as exponentially more of a man then you.

With the player character just about anything seems possible. Independant, Legion, NCR, all the tech and resources you have from the DLCs will guarantee total domination if used correctly.

>>723883207
GODDAMN you are so CLEARLY, TRULY, SINCERELY blown the fuck out. It's hilarious to see.

>>723867115 (OP)
The entire point is that none of the options are great. Because the NCR is just a generic bureaucracy, they'll be as ineffectual and incompetent as the prewar government was. The thing is that there isn't an objective best option. House's Ayn Randian corporatocracy, the fascism of the Legion, and the anarcho-libertarianism of Yes Man are all valid, but not necessarily better alternatives. They're just different flavors that will lead to the same conclusion. The NCR is just a comfortable option for most players ebcause they're a traditionally western governmental concept. No matter what is chosen, war will remain a constant and things won't change. It's human nature to seek conflict. What matters is how limited that conflict can be and whether or not mistakes can be learned from.

Personally, I don't think the NCR is capable of learning from the mistakes of the past. They're well on the way to replicating them. Yes Man presents the best possible future for the Mojave by a wide margin because it allows for the most variables while plainly and brutally ensuring immediate "peace".

>>723883678
I DO love me some Glover.... Let's fuck.

>>723883872
finally, we got there.

>>723867115 (OP)
They're imperialist simps for whoever is making the most caps for the economy, following brahmin barons and arms dealers into the desert like obedient dogs a la US government and oil barons in the middle east. Given a choice of masters, I choose none.

>>723872363
I hope if we do see him it's just a shot of someone in the courier duster with maybe the desert ranger helmet obscuring their face.

>>723884305
Why? That sounds like a recipe for further lore rape.

>>723875180
You can make ammends between House and the Kings but you need to get rid of the Brotherhood of Steel. I don't disagree with House's distrust on their zealousness but I'd still prefer a path where the Brotherhood could be of some use to the Mojave as a backup plan against any future threats if House fails. Regardless, it's still objectively the best ending, even if House farfetched dreams of advancing humanity are scaled down to a more reasonable constrain.

>>723886929
I dunno, Mojave Brotherhood is barely in a state to be a serious threat, still a threat, granted, but nothing major, not to mention as per Veronica's questline, their xenophobic views are still deeply entrenched, too deeply for them to be trusted not to fuck with the winning faction at some point in the future

>>723875180
>only bad part is mistakenly ending the Kings but tbf they are basically a street gang
They, or the King anyway, seem genuinely interested in maintaining order in Freeside. I don't see how they're any less legitimate than other governments.

>>723887108
Yeah in their current state they are no threat but an alliance with House could see them grow into a Mojave military force to be reckoned with if House's reliance on technology comes to fail in the future against a new threat. At the end of the day, Mojave is an ecossytem of people, not machines, who will help House to craft whatever vision he sells the player and I wish there more paths to make this reality more palpable, even if it directly conflicts with House's cynicism of others but I understand such a political concept would be hard to pull with such a hardened faction as the Brotherhood in such a short period of time.

I wouldn't say they're that bad, but I prefer conquering the wasteland in the name of the boomers.

They're the only ones with an actual plan for long term stability besides dude space lmao housetards.

>>723887761
"Conquering" is a funny way to say "blowing the fuck up and never looking at again"

>>723867189
But enough about Mr. House.

>>723874314
I honestly think they'll sorta retcon NV by having Courier 6 die at Goodsprings.

>>723886003
that is the entire purpose of this show

>>723888212
Based. House is clearly the best choice for humanity.

>>723888212
>house was too correct in beta testing so they had to nerf him
>show nerfs him even more by making him retarded too

>>723888771
>so they had to nerf him
While the BOS are the poster childs of the franchise, they're backwards technology hording retards who need to go for Humanity to move forward. House is ultimately right to want them gone. However yeah the only reason they changed it so you have to wipe them out if you side with him is because he's too perfect of a choice otherwise.
>>show nerfs him even more by making him retarded too
The show is awful all around, I don't take any of it into consideration when talking about Fallout.

>>723887912
If you blow up everyone and everything, then you can build more Boomer bases and B-29s.

Six months of Elon Musk running the government with teenage shitposters made me realize exactly how wrong Mr. House was. He was never going to colonize Mars. The NCR was right about everything.