Thread 724501226

https://frvr.com/blog/steam-controller-2-may-be-coming-soon-as-dataminers-discover-new-triton-codename-in-steam-update/
>Valve is seemingly working on an upgraded version of its Steam Controller, likely to be bundled with the in-development SteamOS console.
>In the files for the latest Steam update, dataminers discovered new icons for an alleged Steam Controller 2. The new controller shows two touch pads beneath a single analogue stick and a D-Pad. However, this is “a minimalist icon not meant to convey every freaking input/button on the controller”, explained popular Valve leaker SadlyItsBradley.
>While not confirmed, the controller is also expected to keep the same feature set of the current Steam Deck. This would mean that the Steam Controller 2—or whatever Valve ends up calling it—will also have access to gyro controls as well as rear additional buttons for even more inputs.
LET'S
FUCKING
GOOOOOOO!!!!

noice i never used my old steam controller much because it was uncomfortable as fuck but i'm gonna buy this one too

I remember when they made a clearance sale of the original controller and sold them for 5€. I kept it still sealed in the original package because I never cared to used it. Years later I sold it for 150€ on ebay.
That was a nice, unintended investment.

Probably fake. The steam controller is one of the worst controller purchases of my life. I won't hold Valve over it because they tried to innovate and experiment, which is nice. But I wish they would stop with the gimmicks and release something actually worthwhile.

>>724501789
>I wish they would just release an xbox controller
Well I don't.

>>724501226 (OP)
Ah so this is the reason Xbox is still making a home console

>>724501930
How about a xbox-like controller with two gyro sensors, FN keys, capacitive joysticks, mouse click triggers, full Steam Input support at 2.4ghz, 1000hz+ polling rate, hall effect, L4/R4/PR/PL andRGB

>>724501789
Have you ever used a Deck? It's the best controller I've ever used. No competition. It has all normal controller inputs and doesn't lack a right sick or dpad like SC1, while having basically every feature you could realistically need.

>>724502138
the only thing i don't like using it for is fighting games

>>724502097
1000Hz polling rate is a meme. Xbox Series and Dualsense run at 250Hz default and have lower input latency that most chinktrollers running at 1 or 2 kHz according to independent testing. What good is polling the signals at such rate if each signal sent is delayed by X ms due to processing and other shit? It's just a waste of battery.

>>724501789
the original steam controller is retarded, this is just the deck pad which is an xbox controller with extra features.

>>724502624
>which is an xbox controller
>symmetrical sticks

Please God be a Steam Deck controller internally so it's compatible with Extremerate clicky mods. Love their clicky d-pad, feels like a chunkier Vita

>>724501226 (OP)
If Valve were to make a new controller I hope it would look similar to a Dualshock 4 or a Dualsense. The layout on those controllers are ergonomic while still having the massive touchpad up top, if Valve could split the big touchpad into two separate ones, while also adding back buttons, then I'll definitely buy one of these.

>>724503279
I'd rather they actually innovate a bit and add some new features (assuming they can come up with any) even if it requires changing the internals. Extremerate will probably make a modkit for it anyway.

>>724503696
The touchpad on the ds controllers is in an absolutely retarded place. It's basically useless for anything. The Deck (which this basically is, just without the screen) looks like a brick, but once you actually hold it it literally melts into your hands. It's by far the most comfortable controller I've ever held.

>>724503696
PS pads have the worst ergonomics and build quality of all major hardware manufacturers, nobody should copy them.

>>724503696
>>724503931
what is the use case for the touchpad(s)?

>>724501226 (OP)
Isn't this shit literally old as fuck news?

>>724504087
Surfing in desktop mode, strategy games, cRPGs, mapping them to radial menus in games without controller support.

>>724503750
Deck controls and Steam Input are innovative enough already desu
>gyro
>four paddles
>partial-pull analog trigger button/function mapping
>action layers
>two touchpads
>traditional no-compromise controller

>>724501226 (OP)
Things it needs that the deck layout didn't have:
>large circular trackpads in a comfortable position
>full pull click on triggers that can be used as additional input
>drop the useless thumb sticks
>use a better dpad
>replace the 4 face button group with an additional square trackpad that's smaller than the circular ones
This would be the perfect controller layout.

>>724504597
>drop the useless thumb sticks
Silly idea, SC1 is a testament to analog pads not being a replacement for thumbsticks

>>724504203
Agreed, but think about the capacitive sticks on the Deck for example. A simple, easy to miss feature that completely changes everything. Valve could easily pull a wildcard or 2 like that on a new controller. There's still a lot to innovate before you even have to think about changing the actual button layout.

>>724504193
you can use the joystick for that

>>724504894
>masturbate? you can just smash your cock with a hammer you know

>>724504894
You can also slam your head against a wall repeatedly. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

>>724504843
They absolutely are. I use the damn thing daily and my thumbstick is exclusively used for radial menus. I would have much more appreciated a dpad on the SC1 than the thumbstick.

>>724504193
>playing strategy games with a controller
ngmi

>>724504965
you're the one smashing your cock by using the controller's touchpad

>>724505018
Steam Deck proves you can have both.

>>724501226 (OP)
>"Triton" codename
Huh, how does this relate to the "Ibex" leak from a year ago? Did they scrap it last-minute? Maybe there will be TWO Steam Controllers, one that matches the Steam Deck controls closely, and one that is more of a true successor to the original Steam Controller (trackpad-focused design).

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/valve-seemingly-preps-steam-controller-2-and-vr-controller-ibex-and-roy-controller-renders-spotted-in-steamvr-data-mine

>>724505104
>Steam Deck proves you can have both.
No it doesn't, they completely fucked up the layout to add on dual sticks. The trackpads are both smaller and put in the most uncomfortable position ever because of it. The sticks are fucking useless, period, drop them completely.

>>724505049
The main reason that's not viable is because there's no trackpads. With trackpads you can have one for mouse input and one for a touch menu with (I think on the deck) up to 16 actions, or 32, 48, 64, etc if you use multiple layers.

I just don't get the touchpads. I have a deck and I fucking HATE the touchpads, they're the least useful things I've ever had on a controller, what the fuck do you use them for? I hate touch shit it just makes me feel like I'm using a fucking phone. Put buttons there god DAMN

>>724501226 (OP)
Is it stupid to buy the valve console if i already own a gaming pc? I want a pirate machine where i can download shit and not worry about viruses.

>>724505354
>what the fuck do you use them for
For mouse control, touch menus, etc.
>I hate touch shit it just makes me feel like I'm using a fucking phone
What?
>Put buttons there god DAMN
Yes. Go ahead and put buttons there if you want. Just map them to touch menus that basically act as buttons with Steam Input.

Brainlets will never understand how god-tier trackpads are for controllers.

>>724503986
>PS pads have the worst ergonomics and build quality of all major hardware manufacturers
Xbox definitely has the worst build quality these days, and I'm not even a snoy. Their elite line of controllers have so many manufacturing defects it's hilarious.
The only problem I've ever had with the Dualsense is how quickly they start drifting (same thing with every other modern controller) and the mushy dpad.
The thumbstick layout on PS controllers is ergonomically inferior to the Xbox/Switch layout or the Wii U/Steam Deck layout, but it's still comfortable to hold and you can even find it easier to claw when you have to.
The DS4/DS seem like the best frame of references for a potential SC2 because they're the only modern controllers with touch pads.

>>724501226 (OP)
Not mentioned in the article (from Bradley):
>Steam Controller 2 will have an extra wacky functionality in its controller handles
>It will remind some people of Valve Knuckles.. but will not go as extreme as that
Sounds super fucking cool.

>>724505354
for certain games

>>724505745
>best frame of references
Meant to say "frames of reference", lmfao.

>>724505354
It just means you have low IQ. Haptic trackpads are superior in every way, for every circumstance compared to plastic sticks and buttons.

>>724505292
and that makes sense on an all in one device, as a peripheral why would you choose a controller over m/kb for any strategy game?

>>724505797
What's that supposed to mean? The first thing that comes to mind from the knuckles is finger tracking, but I don't see how that'd be useful on a normal controller.

>>724506640
Maybe you want to play on a couch? Maybe you just don't want to sit up straight? It's not like you have to use them for that (or at all). They're still useful for more besides that, aiming and touch menus being probably the biggest things.

>>724505583
>For mouse control, touch menus, etc.
For the mouse, you put that on track ball mode and you're gonna have a much better time maneuvering around the desktop environment for installing, less than legally obtained games. It also allows you to compete competitively against mouse and keyboard players in fps games. The touch menu (touchpads) is a god send for games not made with a controller in mind, we're talking games that use the whole Function key row and then some, that's where the left touchpad comes in handy as you can map these functions in a radial menu kinda like GTA V's weapon radial menu.

>I hate touch shit it just makes me feel like I'm using a fucking phone.
Again, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't have many solutions given it's on a handheld.

>Put buttons there god DAMN.
At most, you could squeeze 4 extra buttons, the radial menu on the touchpad allows for like more than 20.

>>724501789
niggerjeet

>>724506640
Honestly, there's not much difference in speed/accuracy between the two once you get used to it. Primary difference between the two is your posture.
>t. Used to play SC2 with a steam controller laying back with my feet up

>>724501226 (OP)
This controller is coming soon but there will be no SteamOS console. They shifted to the Steam Frame, Steam Controller 2, and Steam Deck 2. The home console has been put on hold and may not be happening at all seeing how home consoles are dying and all. No real point. Get a desktop or PC handheld. Don't know why anyone is so invested in these stupid living room boxes anymore.

>>724501226 (OP)
>plug in steam controller
>don't work with emulators
>need to set up some shit dummy application to get it to work
fuck you

>>724505229
ibex was an ev1 version

>>724507630
>need to set up some shit dummy application to get it to work
Sounds like you got it to work, I don't see the issue.

>>724506663
maybe just grip sensor for some binds or instead of paddle buttons it uses touch areas

>>724507630
>need to set up some shit dummy application
What? All you need is Steam Input which you already have installed and set up.

>>724507630
>Too lazy to add game to steam and use steam input
ngmi

>>724507761
Not a big fan honestly if that's what it is.

>>724501226 (OP)
>release Steam controller
>such a legendary piece of shit they needed to fire sale them for $5
>somehow decide Steam controller 2 is a good idea
Are people at Valve retarded?

>>724508576
>such a legendary piece of shit they needed to fire sale them for $5
More like they got sued by a patent troll for having back buttons and couldn't make or sell them anymore, so they got rid of their remaining stock as quickly as possible.
>somehow decide Steam controller 2 is a good idea
It's the same controls as on the Deck which has gotten basically universal praise from everyone who used it. It still has the unique features of SC1, but without the main pitfalls; the lack of a dpad and right stick.

>>724509046
>patent troll
You mean someone who legitimately owned a patent. Microsoft coughed up the money, Sony coughed it up, Valve has no excuse. But honestly it was a mercy killing at that point.
>It's the same controls as on the Deck
You mean the system that barely sold more than the N-Gage? Nigga you're trolling me at this point.
>universal praise from everyone
By Valve drones. It was outdated the moment it came out.
>It still has the unique features of SC1
That's not a good thing.
>lack of a dpad and right stick.
"bro it's only missing two fundamental controller options, it's totally usable bro"

>>724509046
Valve won the appeal, this will have back buttons.

>>724509331
patent troll ended up losing btw

>>724508576
they are making a new console, the controller is just a necessary addon

>>724509331
>You mean the system that barely sold more than the N-Gage
How's that relevant? The people who bought it have nothing but praise for the controls.
>It was outdated the moment it came out
I'm not talking about power. I'm talking about the controls.
>That's not a good thing
It is. If you don't want them, buy an inferior normal controller. Or just get the SC2 and simply don't touch those features.
>bro it's only missing two fundamental controller options, it's totally usable bro
Exact opposite of what I was saying. I said those were legitimate issues the SC1 had, that the SC2 no longer will because it's just the Deck with everything except the controls ripped out.

>>724510102
>they are making a new console
They're not>>724507515
Controller though can stand on its own. Wouldn't be surprised if the Deck 2 has a better dock that could do what the Switch 2's dock does which gives a good reason for this controller.

>>724509364
I know. The Deck does too.

>>724501226 (OP)
A Deck-controller with all the same inputs (even a version with the display, but no actual onboard PC would be nice too) would be a win. Its literally their game to lose at this point if they deliver it with all the features, haptics and other elements of the DualSense with Valve's favored openness and the Deck's inputs.

>>724505229
There's also a potential input for Deckard, the new Index/VR platform but it could also be a testing version or whatnot

>>724510372
I really hope the appeal works for stand alone controllers - the Deck being a "full PC device" may have had it separate from a stand alone 'gamepad', but if the patent troll lost so much the better.

>>724510826
The Deckard/Steam Frame controllers are already leaked. Their codename is Roy.

>>724501226 (OP)
>Steam Console
Why? I already have a PC.

>>724501226 (OP)

Why would I buy one when I could just get 5 used / broken steam deck 1 controllers and use it as a trade up?

>>724510898
I'm pretty sure it will. Back buttons are already a standard feature on every 3rd party controller and even a 1st party controller now with the Switch 2 pro controller. I don't see why they'd sue Valve if they've let everyone else use them for like 5 years now.

>>724503931
>looks like a brick, but once you actually hold it it literally melts into your hands. It's by far the most comfortable controller I've ever held.
Fuck no dude that shit makes your hands numb after like 10 minutes. It's good for a handheld but that's it, it's nowhere near an Xbox or Dualsense for actually gaming for extended periods of time

>>724506663
>>724507761
>>724508174
No, it's more like the grip buttons will be analog inputs.

>>724511206
I guess it depends on hand size or preference or something. For me it's been really comfortable.

>>724510346
Based on what? your ass? The steam console has nothing to do with trying to take xbox or sonys dying console marketshare, its about providing an entry level PC in an overpriced market. This simultaneously pushes steam OS and remains very valuable for them as a hedge against microsoft.

There's a fucktonne of kids who want a PC but cant afford over 1k for one, they will just default to a steam machine.

>>724511345
That's not a terrible idea. As long as there's at least 4 actual, physical buttons like on the Deck, I don't mind the exact details.

>>724510997
Right, but I think that's more recent as compared to Ibex? Not sure if it was a separate version of either the Deck Controller / Steam Controller 2, dev version of Roy / Deckard, or something else?

>>724511172
Well, in the past supposedly the other companies paid off the patent troll if some anons are to be believed, but if Valve doesn't have to do so and actually fought and won, so much the better for everyone.

>>724501226 (OP)
Didn't we already know about that controller along with these things from an earlier datamine?

>>724511369
Not that anon, but the Deck already pushes back against the idea that a "console" needs to be a proprietary ecosystem locked down just to get an affordable pick up and play box. A future where all "consoles/set top boxes" were basically running FOSS Linux OSes like SteamOS, and you could install whatever the fuck you want and still have a great core pick up and play gaming experience, would be a net positive and put an end to the console faggotry that is long outdated

>>724511492
we do, but adding stuff to the steam backend implies it's far enough along in production they have a finalized version

>>724511470
Well, capacitive buttons on the grips aren't actually a bad idea. It means you can adjust the pressure required to activate them entirely in software. Plus they will never wear out.

>>724511636
sure, you're agreeing with me that consoles are dead because they are gay locked down boxes and that valve wants entry level PC gamers, not console gamers.

>>724511985
The issue is that "consoles' should be "entry level PCs", and every gamer that picked from a prefab, built their own etc..PC means less going into gay locked down box ecosystems and their shitty licenses, exclusive bullshit by contract, and more.

>>724511136
valve was going to release a lactating female robot that does everything for you but gabe found out you already had a mom

>>724511492
This is a bad article. There is a new wave of leaks including:
>icon is done (indicates close to release)
>its final name will simply be "steam controller"
>pressure-sensitive grip buttons
>new codename triton

>>>724507630
>some shit dummy application
You mean fucking Steam?

>>724505384
Just make a Linux partition on your current PC.

>>724511345
My guess is that the Steam Controller's grip buttons will be similar to the handle buttons on the Roy: >>724512219

>>724512121
In 10 years consoles will be entry level PCs, the next xbox is already going there and sony will be forced to. The future of consoles is just like the mobile phone market where everything runs on a version of android besides the overpriced consooomer option of apple/nintendo.

MS is also going to fail just like with their windows phone division and windows is going to lose out to linux.

Will Desktop ARM gaming PCs be a thing?

>>724513707
>Android ARM
Interesting. How feasible would it be to play oculus quest games on this?

>>724513707
No, this is just to make the Deckard compatible with all the current Quest and other VR ecosystems.

>>724514049
That is the entire point.

I can't wait for a steam station!

>>724513707
does desktop ARM even provide much of a performance benefit in higher power brackets?

>>724511369
>Based on what?
Hardware leaker on Valve, Fremont is low priority currently at Valve. Valve, like Nintendo, already saw where the home console industry was going during the 8th generation. There's no longer a point in making a living room box when a handheld can be docked to do the same.

>>724513707
Nobody wants a different ISA except shit eating retards whop don't even know what ISA means.
Valve is more likely to put Steam on Android to kill the Google Play store vs trying to make universal X86 emulation a thing.

>>724501226 (OP)
if this thing delivers then it'll be the final controller i ever purchase

>>724514574
>There's no longer a point in making a living room box when a handheld can be docked to do the same.
Yep. Diminishing returns and all that. I use GeForce Now on my Deck if I want insane graphics in the newest games. It's way, way cheaper than a top-end gaming PC, and always using the best hardware year-to-year.

>>724514567
Look at all the failed unwanted Windows on ARM laptops over the past 5 years. They suck shit. The ISA itself offers nothing.

>>724513707
>>724514324
It already is a thing effectively. You can emulate any x86-64 Steam game on Android ARMv8 TODAY and it works SHOCKINGLY well from just some low-effort-chink-projects. When Valve releases their solution and Nvidia releases their AiO system with MediaTek for CPU we're going to see a dramatic shift in PC gaming.

>>724514961
The MediaTek chip with Nvidia IGP is like 3 years late at this point. Its probably cancelled.
Nobody wants ARM. It exists now only because of Android. Apple even is now stuck with it due to the change in their licensing structure.

>>724501226 (OP)
But why? Didn't they have to cease production on the first because the sales were too low?

>>724514961
I suppose I could see the Steam Deck 2 being an ARM system if the watt-to-performance ratio outstrips AMD.

>>724515334
It only went end of life due to a lawsuit.

>>724515334
Oh I guess they should never made another product again
You fucking idiot

>>724515547
Ah I see
Not sure what the guy below your post's problem is but thanks

>>724514574
what hardware leaker? The need to get out from under windows hasn't changed. the audience for handhelds and entry level PCs is different since the deck is currently too weak. Maybe if the deck 2 is strong enough to play modern AAA at atleast 1080p but games are so unoptimized now a 1k GPU can barely manage.

>Still no third party controller software on linux thats good for remaps beside steam

Fuck me I don't want to use that fat fuck gaben's platform but the controller profiles and steam input is just that good even for pirated games.

Thats the one thing steam has going for it that no other PC platform can beat. Yea you can use something like antimicroX which is really good but its all manual. But its still nowhere on the level that steam provides.

>>724516979
This is the main reason why no other store can compete with steam. I have to run my EGS games through steam to get full controller functionality.

>>724515852
WATCH IT FAGGOT

>>724516925
Some guy name Tyler

>>724517624
kek

>>724517129
Yep, you just can't beat their proprietary controller software. I still do a half half steam currently with heroic games launcher for my pirated games

I'm still experimenting with hotkeys for antimicroX and some sort of system where it changes profiles for certain games depending on the .exe thats run but I'm using linux I just havent gotten around to working on it maybe tonight I will.

Really I only need valve controller profiles for games with no native controller support so I'm thinking I can make some sort of custom profiles with antimicroX if it means not using steam which I don't want to rely on but a part of me wants to use it anyways because I play steam only games like scp secret lab or foxhole which are steam exclusives so I already use it.

>>724515180
It was shown off in their last two events. Coming early next year.

>>724504894
The joystick is being used for the camera tho.

HLX news is up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKR-G1EuYyg

>>724514615
>valve is more likely to put Steam on Android to kill the Google Play store vs trying to make universal X86 emulation a thing.

when people say shit like this I honestly think /v/ is actually mentally ill

>>724518360
EGS is trying, they have no pull. There is literally no market for ARM other than Android, nobody wants Windows on ARM, even less want Linux on ARM. The only viable market segment that Valve can corner is X86 emulation bringing their entire library to mobile phones and tablets which is hundreds of millions of devices.

You are mentally ill. You are gay. You are retarded. The future waits for no one, you dumb gay faggot retard.

>>724518287
>HLX will have bipedal humanoids with head hitboxes
hoooooly shiiiiiit

>>724501226 (OP)
Why do people want this?

>>724519846
Because its great.

>>724518287
He says near the end he has heard rumors that they're making the trailer for the game and an announcement may come soon.

>>724501226 (OP)
Hopefully holding the guide button on this doesn't bring up the task view on windows 11. I need my chords.

>>724501226 (OP)
The perfect controller already exists

>>724501226 (OP)
Can the make it without a shit dpad? Everything else is pretty much pointless

>>724521028
Why do troons(you) whine about the Dpad so much?

>>724501226 (OP)
Just make the squares concave circles like SC1. Or concave squares at least if they want them to be rectangular for custom actions or something.

>>724521028
kill yourself avatarfaggot

>>724520317
he's really got his ear to the wall
(unsubstantiated /v/ rumors and random game strings)

Nice, cant wait to never seen a Steam Controller 3

>>724520317
>Valve only just now starting to make a trailer for it
Yeah I don't think they're announcing it in November like what people think. They'd probably reserve that for their Steam Frame stuff.

>>724520913
It's not out yet.

>>724520913
If you like paying 2x the price for 8x less longevity/durability.

>>724517871
Update here, I got profile switching for games where it automatically detects the game and switches. Anti micro X is such a great piece of software.

Honestly think I'll just use heroic and make my own archive of game controller profiles. It's like 10 minutes if a game just so happens to not have no controller support. Also it supports trigger dampening and lots of mods and customization settings, delays its endless how many mods.

>>724501789
well i dont know about that, but the input options of the Steam Deck have made practically every PC centric game playable on the steam deck

i just finished a Mount & Blade Warband config, ill be debugging it in the next couple of days, making sure it works fine, then i will make a Dualshock 4/Dualsense version of the config and publish it

>>724504087
a somewhat understated use is weapon switching in an FPS, using the directional swipes input option

directional swipes gives you 5 inputs: up, down, left, right and touchpad click, coupled with a mode shift button like R1, you can quickly and comfortably switch between all 10 weapons in your classic FPS game, faster than a weapon wheel, more comfortable than a keyboard

>>724506640
because is comfy? i finished Command & Conquer 3 on my steam deck, all 3 campaigns

>>724520913
>no gyro