Thread 724611705

horey shet, warsails gameplay and release date just dropped


shit looks KINO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHYUAk6zn2Y

>>724611705 (OP)
That looks awesome. Too bad the rest of the games shit. Ive wanted this in a game since forever.

>>724612068
>Too bad the rest of the games shit
cant imagine feeling this way. its definitely missing a few key things but it is overall so fucking good

>>724611705 (OP)
>2:25
Holy shit
I kinda didn't give a shit about this when it was announced, but it actually looks sick.
Dare I set myself up for more disappointment?

>>724611705 (OP)
That is a really satisfying ramming action.

>>724611705 (OP)
>>724611705 (OP)
So is the actual game functional and complete now? I remember people saying sieges and diplomacy were utterly fucked like 3 years ago.

>>724611705 (OP)
Wow, fellow 4channers. Just wow!

This looks so freaking epic!

I'm going to wishlist it here with this link!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2927200/Mount__Blade_II_Bannerlord__War_Sails/

We should support good developers like this!

Yeah that ship ram is definitely sick, but if I'm in the mood for ship combat I'm just going to play the Game of Thrones mod for Warband. Allied ships don't follow your orders properly and the geometry randomly drags you and your dudes to the depths, but that's the jank I like

>>724612347
>Dare I set myself up for more disappointment?
Yes

>>724612435
diplomacy, better fief management, random events, and stealthing tied to roguery skill to break people out of prisons are all being implemented in the free patch that comes out at the same time as the DLC


not sure about sieges, ive never had problems with them aside from the occasional glitch and then being shitty on last-gen consoles

>>724611705 (OP)
Look woke

>>724612956
where are all the women of colour in the new nord faction? taleworlds needs to be cancelled NOW

>>724611705 (OP)
There is a rome total war conversion mod for bannerlord and the mod creators were talking about how they were waiting for this to add battles at sea. I really really want to play that mod when they add sea battles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwlJZCAg9Hs

>>724613180
neat

>>724612756
yeah but can you make your own custom troop squads?

>>724613104
>huscarls are back

I like the wave physics. I imagine that alone is why its not coming out on ps4

>poopify all the original factions except turkroach-adjacent ones
>pad it out with 3x the same cringe byzantium faction
>sell actual factions as dlc
I hate niggers

>>724611705 (OP)
Yea im gonna buy and play this shit as soon as it's out. If it's shit tho im refunding it asap

Im interested in the icons hes clicking on the side of the unit cards in the pre-battle set up

"give preference to high tier units, throwing weapons, heavy armours" etc

I wonder if that's going to make its way into land battles as well so you can make more customizable and flexible formations

>>724613104
Now what would be the real-world difference between a jarl's man and a hirdman?

>>724612562
This but unironically, bump

>>724612562
>doesn't know the history of /v/ and mount and blade
kek get a load of this butterless newfaggot

>>724612562
This, id pre-order if I could, fucking love taleworlds games

>>724618195
a hirdmann is a more specific "official" title, whereas a jarlsmann is kinda vague. It would probably include a hirdmann who serves a Jarl, or perhaps also a lower-ranking retainer or tenant of the Jarl's lands.

so its kinda splitting hairs, basically all Hirdmann are jarlsmann but theoretically speanking not all jarlsmann are Hirdmann, and could also be some other lower ranking guy somehow connected to a jarl

>>724618571
>>724618195
jarlsmann is not a n actual real-world term

>>724611705 (OP)
Bannerlord fucking sucked and I say that as someone with untold thousands of hours in warband and 500+ in bannerlord. Mods saved it for a while but even the full conversion ones have dropped off. Shame really, why they never fixed the economy or added the promised co-op mode (which they later scrubbed all knowledge of from their site) I have no idea

>>724611705 (OP)
Butter&Feast status?

>>724611705 (OP)
>instead of fixing the game they just waste years on a boatshit dlc

>>724612562
This is how a cultureless Rhokek behaves btw

>>724621037
shut your mouth swine

is the game any good yet or it is still a worse warband with bigger battles?

>>724618006
Isn't that already in game?

>>724621692
its better in almost every way but still missing a few key ingredients


graphics are better than warband
gameplay is better than warband
quests are better than warband
sieges are better than warband
feif management is better and only getting even better with the next patch(as in it actually exists unlike warband)
battles and commands/formation are better than warband
Itemization is better than warband
waifus are better than warband
diplomacy is better than warband
random events and stealth stuff are novel

my only complaints are that companion system could be better as right now its very artificially limited and i would like it to be easier to find a bigger verity of companions to chose from, as well as the levelling system being kinda mediocre still, and of of course the lack of feasts and related stuff

basically its missing stuff still, but everything else is so good that the experience is overall still so good that it makes up for it

The ship ramming is sick tho

>>724622470
>i would like it to be easier to find a bigger verity of companions to chose from

Consolefag problem as mods let you customize companions

>>724611705 (OP)
Looks better than I expected. VERY nice looking water.
Might actually replay vanilla once it drops.

>>724611705 (OP)
>releasing DLC for a glorified tech demo

>>724611705 (OP)
I got filtered by peasant rocks, fuck this game

new main menu animations are kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtrFTbihAFI

>>724622937
Empire mogs hard

Oh god I don't give a shit about more combat. Give me more trade and economic options. Actual diplomacy.

>>724623196
diplomacy is indeed being added and trade is getting a huge re work and workshops are supposedly actually useful again, but its in the free patch for the base game and not DLC.

trade caravans are also less retarded as you will be able to tell them where to go and which regions to ignore so they dont constantly get pillaged walking through a nation you're at war with, and they will also have more limited routes tied to a home city, which will also limit the proliferation of region-specific goods, which means you will actually be able to manual trading with another region without the risk of arriving at the destination and the price has already crashed, so the economy will be a lot more conductive to active trading

from what i understand tarrifs will also be reworked somehow, and trade will also be reworked to involve ships and naval trade routes if you get the dlc but im not very familiar with that

>>724623563
>rom what i understand tarrifs will also be reworked somehow,

"The towns finance system has been changed to make taxes from caravan trade far more important. That’s going to mean that the trade alliances will be very important for bringing business to your kingdom."

>>724623563
>>724623660
Seems like a pretty huge difference.

Btw where did they post about those diplomacy/trade changes? I've found pic rel on steam, but I can't see any info about what you're talking about.

I DONT GIVE A FUCK GIVE ME BANNERLORD NAPOLEONIC WARFARE

>>724611705 (OP)
Alright, the ramming was cool

>>724623962
the new patch is still in beta right now but is supposed to release when warsails drops

https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/581

Added a new dialogue to player-owned caravans, which allows players to change the caravan’s home settlement and restrict trade with settlements of specific kingdoms.

Caravan Behaviour Changes

Increased the chance for caravans to return to their hometown after visiting several cities, so they now return more frequently.
Increased caravan trade volume; beyond small sales, they can now conduct larger bulk transactions.
Together, these changes slow the distribution of local goods to distant markets and allow players to engage in more profitable trade.

>>724624180
>allows players to change the caravan’s home settlement and restrict trade with settlements of specific kingdoms
I mean I doubt that will be a thing, but it would have been cool if you could actually just economically starve a kingdom you want to invade. Like put on an embargo to lower their income and as a result shrink their armies (they're still based on prosperity if I remember correctly)

>>724623563
they should add taxes the the game and a way to avoid them like in starsector so I play a medieval smuggler

>>724624180
>Added a more precise war effort system in which successful sieges, raids, and casualties determine which side holds the upper hand. This system carries greater weight in how kingdoms decide when to offer or accept peace - and should stop losing kingdoms from demanding and winning kingdoms from paying tributes. It should also enable kingdoms to focus their peace pursuit on the wars that they are losing.

>White Peace treaties, where no tribute is exchanged, will also take war efforts into account.


thank god

>>724624180
Jesus this patch is a bigger deal the damn DLC

>game ends once you join a faction
>just endless wars

The old realms mod at least makes it a bit more interesting with random events happening as you move and more interesting maps/vistas, but at the end of the day it's the same game

>>724624649
>random events happening as you move
this is also being added to the base game in the upcoming free patch

>>724624649
They're actually adding random events, too. Though this looks pretty minor.
>>724624649
>The old realms mod
Kino. I can't wait for them to drop the dwarves/orks update. They haven't posted their monthly blog for october though for some reason, I hope the update is still coming in a reasonable timeframe.

I remember being greatly disappointed with the campaign of this game. Once you declare yourself as the Dragon Banner holder you may as well have started a horde mode. Diplomacy? Ye right. Enemies surrendering because their kingdom is irrelevant? Nope. Your lords want you to declare peace just after you've put the enemies on the ropes? Yep.

Unless they change this, the game is still crap.

>>724624972
>campaign
I've got 500 hours in the game and have never even touched the campaign. Why bother?

>>724624972
i have no idea how it will interact with the dragon banner, but a lot of this kind of stuff is being directly addressed in general

>Added Alliances
>Reworked War, Peace & Tribute Decision Scoring
>Kingdoms will now choose opponents more wisely, avoiding wars against overwhelmingly stronger factions
>Added a more precise war effort system in which successful sieges, raids, and casualties determine which side holds the upper hand. This system carries greater weight in how kingdoms decide when to offer or accept peace - and should stop losing kingdoms from demanding and winning kingdoms from paying tributes. It should also enable kingdoms to focus their peace pursuit on the wars that they are losing.
>White Peace treaties, where no tribute is exchanged, will also take war efforts into account.

>>724625002
It's just free roam with extra context. Why not?

>>724618195
the hirdsman is a member of the hird aka free men levy. A jarlsman would presumably just be one of the jarls goons that doesn't actually hold any official title or obligation but works for the jarl

>>724625136
From your description it definitely doesn't sound the same.

>>724625197
Only because they were retarded enough to put said mechanic in the game, the rest is just the same.

>>724625117
I'll give it another another go when I see it with my own eyes.

>>724625197
NTA but the big thing for me is that the campaign starts you with a brother which effectively doubles the size of your clan and is fun for RPing

really though i usually half ignore the quests since they have like a 2000 day timer on each one and are not really that pressing

>>724611705 (OP)
Bros, this is what our ancestors did in their 20s.

But here we are playing computer games for children.

>>724625339
thank God, being a galley slave in medieval naval combat sounds like actual hell on earth

>>724611705 (OP)
It looks like what they said naval combat would be in the first one. I may finally buy this one. Still going to wait for the dlc to drop to be safe

>>724611705 (OP)
Can you please, PLEASE at least bring Bannerlord to Warband level before doing this kind of shit?
I BEG YOU

>>724624594
supposedly the reason why the game felt dead for so long was that they were developing a different DLC but decided to scrap it part way through and start on warsails instead, and now the original DLC stuff they worked on is just being included in the base game patch, but anyway this resulted in a completely distorted development cycle where the game got no new major content or news for ages and now everything is dropping all at once

>>724626130
>the game got no new major content or news for ages and now everything is dropping all at once
and that's a good thing, since everyone kept complaining about the updates all the time

>>724626408
it will be nice to see how things go from here on out now that everything is out in the open, plus the new modding capabilities are being added and new features for moders to play around with

Best/most comprehensive coomer mod?

I'll just wait a few more years until this gets good and then I'll pirate it

>>724624180
>>724626050
I stand corrected

>>724624180
Kek im happy they're bringing back deserters. its a small thing, but a nice touch
> overhauled spear bracing
>Spear bracing animation now blends between two states instead of switching, offering more freedom while aiming. This increases the effectiveness of spear bracing, making cavalry charges deadlier.
>Improved spear bracing targeting for AI. Instead of always aiming at the chest or head, AI can now also target the rider’s abdomen with vertical randomization, preventing horses from bypassing.

fuck yes

damn this is something hidden away in the patch notes that ive always wanted from a strategy game

>Added additional warning menus for “Force Recruit” and “Force Goods” hostile actions to indicate that the action may cause war

so basically you can actually provoke a war by violating someones borders and doing raids now

>>724611705 (OP)
bannerlord is so slow compared to Warband which you can just launch and then you are playing. with Bannerlords half your time is spend on menus and scenes loading

>>724629247
im wondering if the new lighting effects will effect load times

>>724611705 (OP)
when will it have rape mods like Skyrim

>>724630886
LESS TALKING
MORE RAPING

>>724624180
>can shoot light crossbows while crouching
nice
are there still only like 2 crossbows in the entire game though?

>>724611705 (OP)
pure kino, the waiting was worth it. cant wait to see what modders do with this

This naval combat actually looks the best out of any iterations I have seen for M&B in a decade. I am hopeful because it means the Empire of Europe 1700 and Napoleonic era mods are going to be so kino with finally having proper ship combat
>Fighting the spanish armada as the royal navy with your ships of the line vs their galleons.
Fuck I love mount and blade.

>>724635219
>>Fighting the spanish armada as the royal navy with your ships of the line vs their galleons.
has anyone even made a 16th century mod?

>>724635321
Sadly no. I made my own tweaking the 1700 mod since the countries and borders are roughly the same. But instead of every country having line infantry, grenadiers and dragoons, you can still see massed pikemen, niche melee units like swordsmen and landsknecht, musketeers and armored cavalry like reiters.

>>724611705 (OP)
unironically am impressed, considering just how dead bannerlord has been

I only wish that after the release and the original bugfixes PLEASE just stop updating the game and breaking mods and let the modders cook

>>724636080
no, we need another expansion for court mechanics

>>724613104
What's the point of Nords if Sturgia exists?

>>724636471
They even wrote that they will be altering Sturgia slightly to avoid overlap with Nords. So I guess they'll be becoming even more Vaegir-like.

>>724611705 (OP)
Looks cool but I'm not looking forward to it breaking all my mods. I finally got the game just how I like it

>>724611705 (OP)
hard to put it into words the artdesign, camera positions and animations always looked lame to me
it has no style or weight

Isn't the map 80% land though? How often are you even going to interact with this unless you're up north?

>>724636663
You can just avoid patches. The good thing about steam is that you can go the a game's properties and select which version you want to play in. This is how it works for games like bannerlord at least.

>>724636734
the DLC alters the map a bit and adds some islands
also appearently you can sail through rivers, though this sounds kinda awkward unless they make them gigantic

>>724636734
>>724636797
The entire map is being remade. Specifically there is a new island far north, a new land north of Sturgia, the southern land is now separated by ocean and all rivers can now be sailed through. Additionally some towns have been moved to the coastlines.

>>724636734
Aserai in the south mostly. Vlandia, western empire and aseria will be fighting each other in the not!suez canal while western, southern emps and aserai will be fighting in the not! mediterrainean sea.
Northern empire, sturgia, and khuzaite will be fighting in the northern sea too. It's really only battania who is completely landlocked.

>>724636471
sturgia is changing, they'll become russia, they removed all nord inspired things from them

If they really intend to make Sturgia more like kieven rus, then they should also have horse archers like khuzaits but only available to noble troops. They should be a mix of nordic and empire infantry where they're tanky with shields but also have strong hybrid cavalry supported by skirmisher light cavalry.

>>724636663
man we need more barbarsploitation games

>>724637240
preach, i'd love if someone made a conan total conversion for bannerlord

>>724637328
that has to exist for warband though, right? It's a perfect fit

>>724637328
>>724637240
>>724636663
>kult of kallypigos mod
Based. Also you can make your own conan mod.

>>724637402
the only one i can find is for an ancient, pre-warband version of mount and blade
bannerlord has 'the hyborian age' on nexusmods but it hasn't been updated in 3 years so

>>724611705 (OP)
any word on the price? Steam just has the wishlist option

>>724639305
they said in the blog its going to be 25 usd

>>724611705 (OP)
Did anyone want this? (genuine question for butterlord players)

>>724639698
not really, i have a serious case of viking fatigue but i'm actually looking forward to it after seeing the footage
im just gonna get a single boat, fill it with battarian archers and rob merchants on the river for 100 hours

Can't fucking wait, I've been playing medieval games all year and I want to finish off the year with viking raids in Bannerlord. My only issue is that I use one mod, and that's the one where you can play as a random soldier in others' army. Not sure if I can wait for that to be updated

>>724639698
not really, would have rather had them focus on different stuff
but it does look pretty nice, and I won't say no to more content

>>724639698
Naval combat? Yes. Not for the base game maybe but for mods. The only time we had decent ish naval combat was for the viking conquest dlc for warband and that was basically just a mod.
This one however is something no modder could have made. Most naval combat mods were you just basically just standing on a platform and while you jankily approached the enemy ship and pressed a key to board and maybe hope to not get thrown overboard and drown.
This one has proper ship to ship combat at least.
It's a pretty big deal at least because other rts games like total war have been avoiding naval combat for a decade now.

My wishlist, which are things they've alluded to but not outright said

>Nords become the best infantry faction, as well as dominant in sea battles (they've said Nords have a skill that make them good at fighting at sea)
>Sturgia is reworked to become more Slavic (they've said they've switched out the round shields, I hope it's more extensive than that)
>Sturgia is rebalanced to have a more obvious strength compared to the other factions (there's no great non-noble archery faction, and it would fit with how Vaegirs are in Warband)
>Khuzaits are in essence nerfed because they are shit at sea and their horses are of no benefit on a ship (they have said that while Nords have the most sea fighting skill for their troops, the Khuzaits will have the least)

>>724639997
Speaking of mods, I can imagine its going to be so awesome with the eagle rising mod if it gets updated.

DONT BELIEVE THEIR LIES
BUTTERLORD IS SHIT

still no unique companions

>>724639698
navalcombat is cool but mp is fucking awful, servers are crashing all the time, OFFICIAL events are shitfest that crashes servers for everyone etc.

>>724637217
>they should be a mix of all the strongest troops in Bannerlord
I don't like current Sturgia balancing, but this ain't it

>>724640272
Nusturgia should have tearsrop kite shields loke the normans and replace all their dane axes with bardiches. Also more preference for spears than swords and war axes.

>>724640272
>Nords have the most sea fighting skill for their troops, the Khuzaits will have the least
From what I understood some units are considered "marine" units, and get bonuses (or maybe just do not get penalties) when fighting at sea.
ALL Nord units count as Marine units. NONE of the Khuzait units count as Marine units. Other factions have some specialized unit trees like that, but we don't know how many.
>>Nords become the best infantry faction
I forget where I read it, maybe it was in one of the Q&A, but I doubt that's going to be the case. I remember then saying that marine units are generally lighter armoured than regular troops, so I imagine Nords in general might suffer from weak defences.

>>724640715
>>724640272
They are going to have the strongest infantry at sea where armor and formations aren't going to matter much since it's a free for all shitshow so marines are going to excel in one on one combat + the terrain buffs.
However they are going to suffer in a pitched battle on land just like how the irl vikings were defeated by the saxons at the battle of stamford.

>>724640715
>I remember then saying that marine units are generally lighter armoured than regular troops, so I imagine Nords in general might suffer from weak defences.
I kind of doubt that, I think everyone expects the huscarl to be the best infantry and TW knows that. What I think is likely is that they lose in 1v1 duels vs an Imperial for example, but I think they're going to be sick in sieges

>>724640680
Pretty sure they've already posted pictures of Sturgia with teardrop kite shields.

Who cares, base game is shit. Warband is unironically still better somehow.

They really should've added a lot more rpg and immersion mechanics. The fact that every single npc is as soulless as they are in warband was so dissapoonting.

>>724612562
kys shill

>>724618338
Educate this newfren, good sir. Here take this updoot.

>>724641035
I haven't played warband in years, but pick up bannerlord maybe once a year and play for a month or so. At this point, what does warband still do better? I like bannerlord's grafix and the battles seem a little better than what I remember of warband's, but it's been ages so I could easily be wrong.

>>724641035
People generally play mount and blade for the semi rts battles where the player takes part in and painting the map. I genuinely dont know where these people who play the game as an ghetto rpg come from. Even back in warband I played it for the big battles and playing historical period mods like gekkokujo

>>724611705 (OP)
Shit, I saw this earlier when I was at work but forgot to watch it when I got home and now I needed to be in bed and hour ago, saw this thread just before I landed down but 15 minutes is too much now.hope there's still some discussion of it happening tomorrow

ramming looks op as fuck

>>724641402
Ramming was the main tactic for ship combat until greek fire was invented then later cannons.

>>724641439
Speaking of which, does Empire not get greek/calradian fire? Many mods already include flamethrowers after all.

>>724640983
>>724640272
>We’re making some visual and characteristic tweaks to Sturgia so that they will stand apart from the Nords, but we don’t want to make the changes so drastic that they feel alien to players who’ve gotten used to their current design.
>For example, one of the Sturgian cultural bonuses, as well as some Nordic-inspired Sturgian banner icons will be changed.
>Likewise, various Nordic items previously used by Sturgian troops and nobles (shields, weapons, armor, and helmets…) will be redistributed, and new shields will be added.
Patch notes for 1.3:
>Tweaked certain aspects of Sturgia to make them more distinct & in-line with their historical inspirations.
>Sturgian culture bonus has been changed
>Round shields have been removed from Sturgia troops, nobles, and tournament equipment. They have been replaced by 3 new shields (mentioned under Art). Kite shields have also been distributed among Vlandia, Empire, and Sturgia.
>Removed certain Nord-inspired weapons and head armors from Sturgian troops.
>Replaced certain Nord-inspired banner sigils used by Strugia with existing suitable icons.

>>724641130
The only thing I like more in Warband over Bannerlord is the simple troop balancing. It feels so obvious which faction to go to if you want good ranged damage, or cavalry charges, etc. Bannerlord balancing is all over the place, and factions somtimes shine in too many areas and some in barely any at all. But other than that, there's no real reason to say Warband is better than Bannerlord in 2025. They might have enjoyed it more back in the day, but that doesn't mean the game is literally better.

Sturgia should look more like this imo. More pointy helmets like their buildings.

>Mount and Blade: Warband 2: Bannerlord Viking Conquest 2: War Sails
It's LITERALLY just a worse Warband still.
What's next, Napoleonic Wars 2: Revolution Boogaloo?

>>724641130
I like the battles and sieges in Bannerlord more, but almost everything else is better in Warband imo. Most importantly the economy (it's extremely battle-loot based in Bannerlord), but also lord personalities and random relations (like a lord just becoming your rival or taking a liking to you), courting ladies, weddings, feasts and even fief management, despite it being extremely bare-bones in Warband.

>>724612186
Like any depth at all

>>724641772
Viking Conquest was a completely different campaign and had different factions. It might as well be a different game too since it was the only warband content that focused on a proper storyline.
Warsails is going to add stuff to the main Bannerlord sandbox.

I really don't care about a lack of unique companions

>>724641130
>>724641179

The point is that bannerlord should've improved in a lot of areas and just didn't. The battles aren't any better, so what's the point?

Unfortunately having big battles is not very fun without context after a certain point. Unmodded mount and Blade, both the first and second, just turns into an endless battle mill where nearly every fight is identical, wins or losses don't matter, the same castles and towns get traded between factions.

It's like Calradia is Valhalla. Endless battles with no purpose.

>>724642094
I personally don't even use them. I just pick whatever wanderer I can get from a tavern, edit their name and look via enhanced character edit, suit them up and send them to a party with bunch of troops so that I can later call them into my army.
Fuck wanderers who have merciful traits though fuckers will leave you for sacking cities.

>>724641884
It has no depth but by the time you'd start wanting actual depth to come into play, the core gameplay (battles) starts to get boring anyways

Is there any Bannerlord mod that adds a lance recruitment system like in 1257 AD? I love that one. You just got a random amount of noble/regular recruits based on the fief's wealth, and when the war was done, you could just instantly disband them all so that you wouldn't have to keep paying the wages. And when another war broke up, you could pick them back up, all upgraded and all. Realistic, streamlined and very pleasant. Anything like that in Bannerlord?

>>724642145
Yeah, that's a fair point. I always said I just wanted bannerlord to be warband with GRAFIX, but that turned out somewhat disappointing. Oh well, I've at least gotten my money's worth.

>>724642145
>The battles aren't any better, so what's the point?
You are probably insane if you think Bannerlord's battles aren't a complete magnitude better than warband or any game of this type. The sheer spectacle of having hundreds of troops on each side going at it with modern graphics is something I would have wished in a game like KCD.
It gets even better when you use any of the mods that use guns. Smoke, bullets and cannon balls whisking all over the place while you try to keep your troops in formation is such a fun experience that I can't get enough of.
I just wish I had a better pc so I can play this with maxed graphics.

>>724636663
Holy sex.

Thoughts on Shokuho?

>>724642453
No, but it's all based on clan rank, settlement prosperity and relationship with local notables. Eventually you can disband scores of unwanted knights and heavy infantry/archers and recruit similarly leveled units there later. With enough leadership you also get a perk to get a massive xp boost to freshly recruited units so they get guaranteed rank ups upon joining you.

>>724642716

Spectacle and graphicsfags are tiresome

If your tier 6 Cav can't couch their lances are they really elite

>>724611705 (OP)
all i want is the ability to mod this fucking game without it crashing

>>724642954
made an army of nothing but saikai gun samurai, shit on everything. It was fun, now I'm done with the mod. I'll pick the game back up when the dlc drops, for a while at least.

>>724643205
What mod are you working on?

>>724642954
Fun mowing down samurai with guns.
Also the fact that every bladed weapon gets a cleave means that you can just grab a nodachi and mow down swaths of enemy infantry on your own.

>>724643316
no i haven't played this game in ages
i just remember trying it out again every year or so, playing for like 2 hours and then getting a gamebreaking crash because of a qol mod or something
never ever seemed to fucking work properly because they kept constantly updating the game with pointless little micro updates that only broke mods

>>724643387
>the fact that every bladed weapon gets a cleave means that you can just grab a nodachi and mow down swaths of enemy infantry on your own.
Yeah, that's what I did. Honestly I hate it, it's insanely gamebreaking. You effortlessly mow down hundreds in every battle. There should have been a limit like you can only hit up to 2 units at once, or maybe the targets after the first one only get 1/4th of the damage or something like that. As it is, it's just op..

>>724643597
In every siege I felt like a mythical demon, single handedly clearing the path for my boys. It was awesome. And then it was tedious.

>>724643110
The entire point of bannerlord was to get warband battles in higher quality and I got that. You can see this in OP's video. Fuck I'll play that for a few hundred more hours on different mods.

>>724643815
Also fuck these towelhead shits

>>724624180
In the last patch caravans were just plain fucking useless and they would die in two days tops, I hope they made them somewhat sturdier

>>724611705 (OP)
this looks fine and all, but I'm more hyped about the base game patch

Those ships are all going really fast considering they're all monoremes specialized for boarding, and torsion artillery appears to be just as effective as an eighteen-pounder gun. Pretty sure that flimsy ram would be likely to break against a sturdy clinker-built medieval ship as well.

>>724644006
Do they have giggle physics?

>>724644210
*jiggle

>>724644210
Sadly no. Nobody seems to have bothered to make working jiggle physics for BL.

>>724644304
For shame. You'd probably have to make the boobs armor for jiggle to work.

>>724639698
I never personally cared about naval combat but it was a highly requested feature
More "nordic" niggers? Absolutely not, I don't want those boring niggers and we already had a faction they could've been rolled into. Honestly what I wanted was the Empire faction looking more like the Empire.

>>724639698
Viking conquest was kinda ass, so not really.

>>724644126
Actually the ships appear to be carvel-built, making ramming even more ridiculous. And they finally added swimming, only making it nonsensical by allowing you to swim in heavy armor. 0/10 try harder Turkey.

>>724644492
I honestly wanted a more tribal looking faction down south so that the desert wasn't just arabs.

Battles are more or less on par with AC Odyssey's naval combat but with more troops engaged. That's actually great.

>>724639698
Only me, ancient and medieval naval warfare is my passion, I still play the older TW titles just for the sea battles. Idk how this is going to turn but apparently this is the first game ever to actually allow you to sail down rivers on the map (seriously Paradox, take notes) so they'll get my money.

>>724644126
>Pretty sure that flimsy ram would be likely to break against a sturdy clinker-built medieval ship as well.
Well aren't the ships they're ramming into not as sturdy in the first place, of course they can ram
>only making it nonsensical by allowing you to swim in heavy armor. 0/10 try harder Turkey.
I mean it's more or less just (You), a good chunk of the mobs will just plain die if they fall into see though.
Also you know, M&B has the RPG aspect where a healer can save a guy whose torso just got implaled with 3 spears that are 2 meters long minimum a 40km/h charge

>>724644954
TW not wanting to do naval battles since 2013 is a fucking crime man. It's gotten so bad in TWWH where they'd rather put ships on legs and wheels than make naval combat.
Even TW3K where one of the most pivotal and important battle, which is a naval battle, has no naval battle at all. Most RTS games don't have it at all. The last one I play that has it is AoE3 and only because of the setting.

>>724642954
abysmal character models kek (not armor, just the bodies/faces)

>>724642954
gunpowder is fun for field battles but useless for taking forts and cities so it ends up being the same garbage gameplay as usual melee grind sieges

>>724645173
At the very least it's easier to grind down walls of defenders since nobody is using shields.
Fuck this game has seriously made me hate shields. I don't have the patience of finding gaps in a shield wall because I just want to mash my weapon as hard and as fast as possible.
It's even worse with RBM one where everyone is a goddamn tank that takes forever to die unless you bonk him in the head with a blunt object 5 times.

>>724611705 (OP)
Is this the Atlas of Mount as Blade games

>>724611705 (OP)
We will only be 'back' once the roaches finally abandon this game

>>724645461
Atlas, if you're referring to the ARK style game, was billed as a completely new game.
This is just a dlc.

>>724645118
Yeah dude, the naval abstinence is baffling. I get that pathfinding is a nightmare and AI wetbrains would probably beach themselves on turn 3, but it's wild how completely they bailed on it. Even Rome 2, for all its jank, at least tried. TWWH just turned it into "teleport to the shore and pray." Maybe Bannerlord will be the janky mess that finally scratches that itch-we just need some modder to slap in crew morale and wind physics and we got ourselves a game.

>>724611705 (OP)
>swimming in full armor

>>724645519
>DLC
Oh that makes the situation different, well I hope it turns out well then

>>724645426
>since nobody is using shields
yeah this is one of the best parts about jap warfare in all games

>>724645578
Hey man if navy seals can swim in over 50kgs of gear then surely a guy with lamellar armor which is much lighter could do it as well.

How do you play mountain blade without cheats or savescumming? As soon as I lose my high level army I worked hard for I reload a save. Are there any tricks to get the army back up quickly or are you just meant to spend a day rebuilding what you've lost?

>>724647135
I mean, Butterlord actually lets you build up really fast as long as you're friendly with a few cities or towns.
It's a way bigger hassle in Warband but having lots of morale boosters so you just hire slaves into your army can make it easy too
Also rescue prisoners

>>724647135
Be like a mongol and pick your battles. Don't fight battles that you are obviously not going to win.
If you play ranged, abuse retreats aka, shoot them a bunch and thin their numbers, then retreat. If all else fails, hop on a good horse, grab the longest pointy stick you can find and run around the enemy army shanking as many enemies you can while trying not to die then retreat. Rinse and repeat until you bring down the enemy army to a level that your army can take them on with little problem.

>>724647443
In warband, well viking conquest to be precise, I remember going through england with a badass viking army, and just sacking and raiding shit from northumbria down to sussex and even landing on ireland. Over time my viking army went from being mostly danes to a ragtag bunch of saxons and celts that I picked along the way to replenish our numbers. Probably my most memorable MB campaign ever.

>>724645137
This, I have unironically scoured the entire map, castle by castle just to find one not insanely hidious woman to take as a wife.

>>724612186
Ask me how I know you never played the originals

>>724636663
Why is she putting her butthole on her horse

>>724611705 (OP)
>those ramming physics
okay, I fucking kneel

>>724641058
nothing gets past you huh

>>724611705 (OP)
What happened to bannerlord? Why not just make more dlcs for that one and continue working on it?

>>724650348
That's exactly what they're doing here. This is a DLC for Bannerlord, not a new game. And it comes along a big patch.

>>724611705 (OP)
Bannerlord has been vastly better than Warband for a long time now

>>724642145
>The battles aren't any better, so what's the point?

come on, now

>>724643110
its not just Spectacle and graphics though, the scale, the commands and the formations and pre-game set up are all better too

DLC that breaks all the mods is just what I need so I can go back to a clean restart

>>724643110
Get a second job or work harder.

>>724652371
>implying poor
Oh great, spectacle and graphicsfags are retarded too

>>724645578
You think it's made of lead or something? You won't do it for a super long time but you can do it long enough to reach a boat.

>>724644035
didn't the base game patch already happened?

>>724652953
it's in beta

Went to check the requirements on Steam and found a review that made me cackle hard
>Love the game, but good (banner)lord, it's looks awful. 80% of the women look like Golum wearing a wig made from a dog's tail, and when I line up my men in formation I feel like I'm about to teach a special ed class.

>>724652953
nah it releases along side the DLC

you can play the beta on steam, though that will obviously be a little wonky

>>724639698
boat stuff is cool but I would've prefer diplomacy rework and gunpowder age, though I guess modding will be easier now so maybe there's still a chance.

>>724653220
diplomacy stuff in the free patch

>>724613104
>huscarl wears banded armor

Looks dumb. Sea battles will be exactly the same as running around bandits as a horsearcher. The AI will engage and the player will repeatedly ram enemy ships and then back off.

I'll rather play Black Fag than that

>another fucking weekly
Yawn

>>724641509
makes me wonder as you can see the fire arrow in the showcase which is new. obviously they're doing SOMETHING with fire, i would think

Southern Empire Admiral fly my colors for Mommy Empress

>>724641651
It may since they said with the nords arriving they want to make sturgia more vaegir-like

The only good looking lady is the queen's daughter

This game is brainrot. Nothing to think about. Slash slash shoot shoot. Thats it. Its an engine demo at best. And a shoddy one at worst. But dont let that stop you playing.

>>724656180
When I think of "stratedgy" I think of OG Starcraft. Making plays at blind speeds. Minds racing. The game rewards. This? Click on the group of looters. Good job. Now click on the slightly larger group, after upgrading your units.

>>724656180
if you arent using tactics to take on armies twice your size with minimal losses you aren't playing the game right

>>724656006
Caladog's daughter is cute

>>724656538
For what purpose? Play as I described and you will beat the game in mere days.

>>724656006
are insulting my giantess slavic icequeen wife Svana?

>>724656652
fun?

>>724648735
Its basically a modernized version of the OG aka exactly what I wanted, the only thing missing are feasts.
I fail to see what all you "old good new bad" fags are seething about.

>>724648735
Ive played the shit out of warband but ok

like i said i acknowledge that its missing a few key features, but it is in fact still better in almost every way

>>724656706
also the new stealth stuff is kinda neat
>in the middle of courting svana
>i love you anon but we need my fathers blessing
>Godun gets captured in battle
>sneak into castle and break my future father in law out of prison
>hes grateful and happily gives me his daughter in marriage
>later when i become king i get his his whole clan to pledge loyalty to me and comes over to my kingdom including their fiefs

i like this game

>>724611705 (OP)
Not sure how tactical it'll be, that fight looked messy. Also there don't appear to be any rudders or steering oars for any of the ships, which I find surprisingly annoying. It's like modeling a car without a steering wheel.

>>724650536
Fuck was i supposed to know that?

>>724657953
by not being retarded

>>724657835
I think that looks like a (small) steering oar at 5:53 actually, but it's a really odd place to put it. A steerman was basically the most important guy on an ancient galley, a ramming battle was won largely by his skill, wouldn't make sense to have him below deck where he can't see.

OP should have included the devblog that actually explains a bunch of the mechanics

https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/584

>>724657835
apparently smaller vessels will have you directly steering by hand with a rudder, whereas with big ships have you commanding from the quarterdeck as shown. so there should indeed be rudders

>>724641509
>>724654615
>Archers and javelin throwers trade volleys across the waves, drawing from nearby supply crates to keep the pressure going longer. With braziers, those volleys turn into raining flames — fire arrows that can burn sails and set hulls ablaze. A ship with its sails burned is left without one of its main drives.

see >>724658782

>>724659165
if the base game doesn't have greek fire it should be easy to mod in given the ship weapons and fire mechanics in the base game

>>724657835
>>724658396
yeah, they do seem to have steering oars, you can see one at 9:59, too
they seem to be set very low, and even seem to sometimes disappear underwater when hit by waves

>>724656782
>early game (aka worst phase) lasts 50x as much as in Warband
>"it's le same"
kys

>>724659909
lol what? warband takes IRL days of playing sometimes before you can even secure a real fief and actually start the game

>>724647452
I'm careful on the world map, but my preferred playstyle is an infantry focused army. Fighting Khuzaits led to the most save scumming, because I couldn't pick my battles efficently. My question was more of what to do on those rare occassions where I do get fucked

>>724660405
I know that's factually wrong you faggot, you can get a decent 60-man party in less than an hour.
In Bannerlord you have to deal with the retarded clan level cucking you every step of the way

>>724660827
IMO the game is balanced around you getting fucked once and a while and if you save scum you will snowball out of control and end up complaining that the game is too easy

Imagine home on a temperate island, looking over the ocean from atop your tower

>>724661054
I do handicap myself quite a bit, I only use troops from one faction and I don't play the OP ones. For me Bannerlord is at its most fun with an army of for example Druzhinniks and spearmen, and putting my faction's strengths and weaknesses up against the others. But then it feels so bad to lose my high tier units that I end up savescumming, having them is a big part of the appeal of the game for me.

>>724661156
my nigga

>>724661294
the thing that really kills me is losing all my damn horses

>>724661294
Glad to know I'm not alone in sticking to just one factions units, even get armor to resemble their nobles.

>>724661561
yea the lesson I learned was to always keep your surplus war horses and a supply of cheap ones in a stash at a safe fief somewhere

>>724656706
Oh wow she does look good
Shame she's in the gayest and most boring faction in the game (to be made even more pointless soon)

>Nords don't get big ships, only light and medium
I really hope they're still strong in naval combat. They're clearly boarding focused, but I don't see how anyone beats Empire with ramming ships, ballistas and a strong infantry for boarding.

Any mods people recommend? I was considering maybe playing some lotr mod, but I'd also be up for other settings

>>724611705 (OP)
I'd never really thought about what naval warfare looked like before cannons.
Now I feel like I have a pretty good idea.

Wait, what kind of ships and ship combat will the steppeniggers get

>>724664448
Old Realms. It's Warhammer based, you've got a new map, you've got new races, you've got functional magic and even necromancy, magical artifact, character classes, active abilities, cannons, guns, treants, it's just fun as hell.
My main issue is that you get disgustingly overpowered eventually. Like when I was playing a war priest or whatever they're called, I was basically unkillable in battle, due to various passive bonuses and a healing effect on my ability. And then when I played a necrarch, I could effortlessly kill hundreds of enemies with my spells. It's all a bit too much, but still, fun.

>>724611705 (OP)
Is the game still unfinished as shit and is the Siege AI still broken?

I fucking hope there's some blacksmithing value tweak coming too, unlocking parts, handling """"stamina""""" and having clear cut superior parts was kinda gay

>>724664932
apparently they are the worst at naval combat

>>724640449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkl119x2Nk

>>724665370
siege AI sounds like its getting improved along with a tonne of bugfixes

>>724664932
>>724666865
Their troops have really bad Mariner skill which determines your fighting prowess at sea. But they still have access to light, medium and large ships, which is more than the Nords get. I would guess that their ship stats aren't great either, if that plays a big part. I also remember reading somewhere that their horses would be useless on ships and just take up space. There's a 20 second clip on TW's insta where you can see what their ships look like

>>724667217
Thank God, last time I played the game (August 2024) the AI was fucking broken and wouldn't use the siege equipment I would build.

>>724666865
>>724667279
It's kind of funny but accurate, turks pre Ottoman Empire had access to a lot of things but didn't get to ever fight at sea. Then they kept improving until they become one of the strongest at sea to fall off back to having like no warships despite being covered by seas at all fronts

Buying ships is for pussies, I'm gonna get a cheap trading ship and then keep boarding bigger and bigger warships

>>724669071
>Anon was nuked from range

>>724662526
all nord units have the mariner trait which means they will ALL be punching at a higher weight class when they board

something you have to remember as well is that you can capture enemy ships if you board them without doing too much damage

if i had to guess, nord longships will be exceptionally fast and manoeuvrable and they will specialize in boarding, and through that, they will be able to capture large ships from other factions and be able to do more effective hit and run raids, so you can hit all those juicy villages in vlandia that usually never get raided and are stacked with loot

>>724662526
>>724667279
How do you know about the ship types? Is there a list of them all by faction or something? Do they differ a lot?

>>724669529
>nuked
dont think they had those back in pre-canon times

>>724669963
I think I read in the blog about Nords that they only get light and medium ships. It makes sense, they only made those types of ships irl (except The Long Serpent which was a real viking ship that was extra large). They've also showed off some trading ships.

I've seen what most faction ships look like by checking out TW's youtube shorts. I think the only ones I haven't seen yet are Battanian ships. They've talked about ships having different sails that are good at different things (you can either have two square sails, two triangle shaped sails or one of each). The ships have different amounts of upgrades. The most substantial ship I've seen so far is the Imperial one, that seems to be good at ramming, artillery and boarding. This is just a guess but I don't think the Nords for example will have a ballista or much ramming capabilities.

>sea raiders will actually be pirates on the sea now and the southern not-mediterranean has berber corsairs instead

kino

>>724611705 (OP)
Damn, are we back, butterlords?

>>724670637
pour one out for those who didn't make it

>>724670535
Not literal nukes but you can see some strong siege weapons in the video

>>724670535
>He hasn't heard about Greek Nukes

>they actually licensed an amon amarth song for the Nord faction trailer
based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Vnozh6Mhw

>>724611705 (OP)
let's be honest this is just a siege but in the sea
the AI looked too passive on both sides

>>724670867
Based but also cringe because screamo SUXX

what this game really needs is new music for sieges holy shit that one single song playing every time is getting super grating. even one single other song to mix it up would be goed

>>724671471
sieges were my favorite part :)

>>724670867
I don't like the band but this is giga based.

>>724611705 (OP)
Boring. I'm not touching this dull turd of a game again until proper high/late medieval mods of actual quality is released. So far, only Dell'arte della guerra mod appear to have actual talent behind them, too bad they're dragging their feet for fucking ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI8MYFQ-aPo

>>724652737
>layers of linen, thick wool, leather and animal hide with anywhere between 20-40 pounds of iron plating, rivets and mail
You jump in rough open ocean from a ship deck and you aren't likely to surface again let alone freestyle to the next ship

Warsails looks neat but also seems like a thing you'll be tired of after a couple of hours.
>ships handle like...ships
>shoot projectile and see numbers show damage
>ram
>board and have jank fight on boats moving up and down with the waves

>>724673287
You know that it's not a ship combat only mode right

>>724673636
Only seen what's in OP and base bannerlord from years ago. I'm guessing ship combat integrates into that.

>>724611705 (OP)
Holy shit, they're actually doing it

playing the beta patch now. it's finally getting there

What conversion mods will benefit the most from naval combat?

>>724660405
Holy shit get good you fucking noob goddamn

>>724674950
probably that japanese mod

>>724674950
Empires of europe 1700 and eagle rising/ancient calradia
>You can now recreate the battle of salamis where the outnumbered greeks defeated the persian navy

>>724672771
>High medieval
Anno domini 1257 mod anon. Mix it up with the total war music mod and its the best medieval sim game out there. For late medieval, there's a custom series troop replacer for the 14th century

>>724611705 (OP)
B L A S T

>>724679980
what

>>724680192
He's implying it's a shill thread, because you're not allowed to talk about a game /v/ has obsessed over for years. Shills will usually call a game "a blast"

>>724648735
>ask me how
kys nigger
>MUH FEASTS!!!!!

>shilling bannerlord
The game has 15-30k daily players for years now. It's like arguing against total war or any grand strat game with a core fanbase.
Also
am I the only one who finds it funny that they are showcasing the byzantines btfo'ing arabs in that video? Especially since the devs are turks whose people were responsible for conquering the byzantines in the past.

>>724680725
oh

>>724611705 (OP)
>fucking ramming a ship and it starts immediately sinking

>>724611705 (OP)
Endgame is still shit????

I'm a horsenigger I don't care about the sea damn it

>>724622470
>Itemization is better than warband
Absolutely and utterly fucking god damn NO IT IS NOT. They fucking set the time period during the most boring god damn shit imaginable and did fucking NOTHING with it other than "lmao everything is lamellar ;)" for literally god damn every single faction in the game minus one. All your fucking items have NO identity between factions other than what color you want to fucking wear. This lack of variety alone puts it as supremely inferior to Warband when it comes to replayability, this is a game you play once and see everything, Warband is a game you play an entire lifetime and you can do so differently every time.

>>724684531
You are probably using modded warband because that game is chainmail central. Which is even more dogshit boring than lamellar kino.

>>724612562
Wow, this is B A D A S S
I might get the collector edition, even though I never do this usually!

>>724612435
sieges were never fucked, just boring. build 4 trebs, put the first three into reserve as soon as they complete and then set them up again so that they're back up right when the fourth one finishes construction. bam, they one-shot every defender siege machine and will destroy the walls. unless this is what you mean by fucked since it's too easy.

>>724611705 (OP)
I thought this game died