Thread 724740928

>wealthy tower full of snobby people with more than they need
>ghouls, discriminated against, crowd outside and beg to be let in so they can share in the safety of the tower
>if you actually manage to convince the inhabitants to let them in then the ghouls quietly murder them out of spite when you aren't paying attention and live in squalor
>avenging the tower inhabitants by killing the ghouls after this is considered evil
>refusing to let the ghouls into the tower or killing them outright is considered evil
What lesson was this quest meant to impart upon the player? Legitimately what did the developers want us to take away from it?

>>724740928 (OP)
that minorities are evil, but you be persecuted if you try to act against them. Such is the society we live in

everyone sucks and deserves to be nuked

>>724740928 (OP)
Reminder: If you get the ghouls to live in the tower the racists that oppose it are sent into the wasteland and survive the ghoul massacre.
This means the only possible way to survive the massacre is to be racist.

Presented without comment.

>>724740928 (OP)
Bethesda has plenty of nonsense and deranged quests. If you do them all it makes your character seem like a weird schizo-psycho.

>>724740928 (OP)
Who is doing the maintenance on this building?

>>724741397
>16 years of standing at the megaton gates begging for water
a fate worse than death

>stumble upon one of the few functional towns in game, with doctor and vendor
>some guy you never seen before is asking about a caravan
>if you decide to help him you have to murder an entire compound and then the entire town
>all to save 1 girl who actually is a synth
>or you can let the town continue to abduct and kill randos with a test that is only ~70% accurate
>no middle ground

>>724740928 (OP)
Yeah but the mask that makes you immune to ghouls is from siding with Rob and pals so... *sucks teeth* Tenpenny finna die

>>724740928 (OP)
This whole location and quest was so Rick & Mortroon that it would've been too much for even NV.

>>724740928 (OP)
Just because one side is evil doesn't mean the other side isn't also evil

>>724741627
is the girl at least hot?

>>724741805
It's an unmodded bethesda game...

>>724741627
Bethesda Fallout games are intended to be wacky and default to extremes. Trying to treat them as coherent narratives is pointless. Just pick whatever response you think is funniest and follow it to its logical conclusion.

Or use quest mods.

>I've played with mods that add trees and greenery so much that I forgot Fo4 looks like this by default

>>724740928 (OP)
I don't understand why ghouls are hated in this universe. They are hideous, sure, but they are still humans and immortal at that. They remember life before the bombs which is important knowledge to rebuild society.
I don't know whether prejudice towards ghouls already existed in Fallout 1 and 2 but it sounds like more retarded Bethesda writing, essentially TES racism but in a different setting

>buy broken slave from a pimp
>ostensibly her new master for 1000 caps
>she frequently muses about how much she misses her former daddy instead
What lesson was this meant to impart upon the player? Legitimately what did the developers want us to take away from it?

>>724742235
Its because for every 1 intelligent and reasonable one there are hundreds of feral zombies.

>>724740928 (OP)
>What lesson was this quest meant to impart upon the player?

>>724740928 (OP)
Why the fuck do those ghouls feel entitled to live in the tower anyway? Even without the anti-ghoul policy they wouldn't be able to pay for it, since all the resident have to pay rent to tenpenny. Seems so bizarre in retrospect. Almost as bizarre as irl immigrants demanding to live in european countries, but in this situation you would be the jew slowly subverting the residents into digging their own graves by letting them in.

>>724742235
Every day is the day they could go feral. Every day playing russian roulette puts one on edge.

>>724742235
>I haven't played the games and I don't understand why things are happening

>>724740928 (OP)
It's perfect American morals, dude.

>>724742235
I always felt it was more understandable in 3 and NV because they're so much worse looking, you can see their skin sloughing off and there's wetness visible all over openly festering sores, they definitely smell like shit on top of being repulsive to look at. It's probably a full-time job just staying alive and hydrated when you're weeping out of large wounds on half your body (resulting in radiation spirals from wastelanders ghoulifying and resorting to bad water)

In 4 they look sand-blasted and dry, more like skeletons than rotting corpses. They're unpredictable and doomed to eventually turn feral on top of their weird/inconsistent appearances so it's no surprise that most people just can't be bothered with them or assume outright they're going to be a problem. 200 years of memories means fuckall when you can remember it about as well as Lily and it gets worse every day

>>724740928 (OP)
How are they rich? They dont do anything, they just live in a run down hotel building

>>724742606
I completed 3 and NV a long time ago. I just never cared about the lore

>>724742235
they were more hated at first because the radiation and mutation turned most of them feral and the few that didn't go insane were discriminated so they started hating "smoothskins" creating a proto-racewar, most of the normal ghoulies kept to themselves or were living in places with other mutants and humans who didn't really give a shit

>>724740928 (OP)
The lesson is that Morality and Religion is basically spiritual cuckoldry.

>>724740928 (OP)
Demographics are destiny. The ghouls were meant to represent niggers. The right choice is not to let them in. By killing them, it would be like killing wolves for killing and eating sheep when YOU let a pack of wolves past the fence.

You are the one who is supposed to know better.

>>724742849
They're all supposedly retired rich people. Former slavers, adventurers, etc. What doesn't add up is that they're all so soft when they should be seasoned wastelanders that earned their riches.

>>724740928 (OP)
It gets worse. Roy Phillips will gladly let Mr. Burke nuke megaton and even cheer him on.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-Jhfqp3A0&pp=ygUZUm95IHBoaWxsaXBzIG51a2UgbmVnYXRvbg%3D%3D
And you lose karma for killing him. Idk if this is some kind of political statement made by Bethesda employees or they're just that shit at designing games.

>>724742235
It makes sense that people wouldn't want them around; superstitious that they might be leaking radiation everywhere. In nufallout glowing ones do irradiate the player just be standing near them, so it's not unfounded either.

>>724743137
>my granddad sure thought he was tough in korea but I could just push him out of his chair
they're all old lmao that's why they've got security

>>724740928 (OP)
>What lesson was this quest meant to impart upon the player?
Rich people who shoot wastelanders for fun are evil
Trigger happy cannibal edgelords who want to literally eat the rich are the ultimate paragons of good

It was a simpler time and if this quest was made today it'd be non-optional and both Tenpenny and the ghoul would be middle class brown women who don't actually seem to be different morally or ideologically and even the writer would be confused as to who's in the wrong

>>724743174
Would be kino if the karma system was just what Three Dog thinks you're doing good or bad, since he's seemingly obsessed with you. So since he's a sheltered naive nigger talking nonsense all day, he thinks all ghouls are good and all the residents of TT are evil so your karma just reflects his opinion of your actions which he later talks about. This is not the case but it would've been a cool idea. Also would be nice if you stopped getting karma pop-ups if you kill him since no one is judging you anymore.

>>724741324
The tenpenny snobs weren't doing anything to the ghouls, they were innocent.

>>724743179
>superstitious that they might be leaking radiation everywhere
Don't people in the FO universe have geiger counters, or is it actually just the vault dwellers with pip boys?

>>724740928 (OP)
There's a valuable lesson there about unintended consequences stemming from uncritical compassion.

Anyway, inshallah.

>>724740928 (OP)
Western civilization simulator.

>>724741638
This. That mask is an absolute necessity when going to Point Lookout.

Don't ever say Todd didn't warn ya.

>>724740928 (OP)
Fallout 3 is full of quests where you get punished for doing what is right, often there's no dialogue option that makes any sense etc. It's pretty dumb.

>>724741627
nuke the institute because they are guilty of 90% of the the commonwealth's problems

>>724740928 (OP)
sentient ghouls are ancient beings who have lived from the beginning of the war... they deserve to live in a piece of the old world

modern humans are dirt people and don't fully appreciate the luxury and comfort of old living

>>724741627
You can just murder the compound that's doing all the fucked up testing. You dont have to go out of your way to murder the town afterwards unless you want to make it a settlement. If you do it this way the guard at the gate that gives you the initial test comes to kill you in a random encounter, proving this path was considered by Bethesda

>>724742559
The "all ghouls will eventually go feral" thing is just a Bethesda headcanon

>>724741556
Passing heroes with high Repair.

>>724744049
I suppose it could be argued the entire karma system in 3 is more of how the wasteland views you rather than being an explicit reading of your character's worldview, nobody else really knows what happened at the tower but they do know you gunned down a bunch of ghouls and three dog was crying about it (similarly to how they notice shit mysteriously disappearing every time you come into town)

>>724740928 (OP)
the tower: western countries
the ghouls: blacks, muslims and other thirdies
killing/refusing ghouls being considered evil: post-war western morality and self-hatred

okay, but why did they choose to make it ghouls outside?

>>724742279
that games with slavery need a flogging mechanic.

>>724740928 (OP)
Rich people are inherently evil. Killing them is not.

How were they able to maintain such a high standard of living in the tower?

>>724740928 (OP)
>>724741246

Probably to kill the fucking ghouls. I used to let the tower go for the mask every other playthrough, and keep the room and the people for the other. That mask was great man, fucking half the map is ghoul dungeons and you can just walk through them. Fucking sometimes the ghouls HELP you against the other enemies even.

>>724741627
what i hate the most about this quest is that you can immediately tell what is going to be about the second you walk in

they really fucked up the whole synth thing

The Karma system was fucking garbage.

>>724740928 (OP)
A literal eat the rich questline, probably from some commie sympathizer in bethesda with how evil tenpenny was.

>>724748053
I think it's supposed to build off Gob in megaton, you have no real reason not to immediately pity him and then the Roy thing is a situation where you can actually intervene and help (only for the rugpull to teach you that someone being a ghoul doesn't preclude them from being a piece of shit)

>>724742235
>Fallout 1
Isolationist aggressive cannibals who don't like you, some of which are zombies

>Fallout 2-3-NV-4-76
Extremely poorly written racism proxy where any black person can become a vicious murderer at a moment's noti- sorry, any burn victim can become a zombie at a moment's notice but this never happens and all ghouls are actually intelligent capable people, so of course you can't understand why they're hated, there's no reason to
Yes Fallout 2 had TES racism and not just for ghouls, but it was worse, that game was 10x more political than Skyrim, genuinely embarrassing to put real quotes from real politicians into your game let alone saying the Republicans are genocidal fascists with a president called Dick Dick

>>724740928 (OP)
Letting in violent immigrants is a bad idea

Tranny vegas never would have had such a based take as this. FO3 will always be better

>>724743137
>What doesn't add up is that they're all so soft when they should be seasoned wastelanders that earned their riches.
I never thought about that.
I also never thought about how trader town in the east isn't even a settlement and that they're seemingly trading with no-one.
Or how anything in Point Lookout makes sense, especially in a vacuum.

>>724749192
>Letting in violent immigrants is a bad idea
>Tranny vegas never would have had such a based take as this.
NV's entire story is based around this

>>724740928 (OP)
What in God's name do they eat?

>>724742786
"sloughing off" definitively is a verb you never want to read let alone see play out

>>724750173
radroaches

if they werent racist in the first place the ghouls wouldnt have killed them. the lesson is "fuck around and find out"

>>724743135
Interesting take.

>>724750173
Traders connect them to other settlements, half the inhabitants are vendors themselves and all of them are already green and retired so they can barter for what they need with a lifetime of caps/trophies... picture your bored courier sitting at the top of the lucky 38 at age 70 with his hoard of garbage and it's not far off. They can get whatever they conceivably want, the guy nukes a town just for being ugly on the horizon

>>724750507
Here's your new roommates bro. I recommend checking the toilet seat before you sit, sometimes bits of their ass can stick to the seat and peel off

>>724743949
lol, I can see it

>>724740928 (OP)
Camp of the Saints reference.

everyone must pay for their debts to society

>>724740928 (OP)
>also has the most comically evil questline in a fallout where you trigger a nuke for no reason other than "we don't like those people"
I'm convinced that Tenpenny Tower only exists so that Rodd Boward can pat himself on the back for insightfully saying that the heckin' rich people are bad. Bethesda is truly ahead of its time in wokeism.

>>724750507
In Underworld you genuinely can't tell if the one ghoul is telling you he's missing pieces because they fall off ghouls or if he's lost his marbles, because no other ghoul has this problem

>>724751253
Well, Fallout is about Capitalism, after all.

>>724751039
sssh that's a no-no book

>>724751935
Yeah you can tell how pertinent it is by how much panic it causes when mentioned.

>>724742786
You should see the ones in 1 and 2
Especially Set's talking head. I wish more ghouls looked like that

>>724740928 (OP)
Poor people are more often than not poor people for a reason. It's one of the cruel lessons of life, but life ain't fair and the world is mean.

>>724741624
What Megaton?
Tenpenny already paid me to vaporize it
>>724740928 (OP)
Yeah it would be perfect if both parties were classified as Very Evil so you gain karma from killing them.
That should be a viable ending to the quest too. If you hear them out you can them kill every last ghoul and also kill Tenpenny himself before accepting his Megaton offer and the game gives you your XP for cleansing the wasteland

>>724741627
>Huh I don't remember thi-
>4slop
Every time. It's weird how the game is completely different than 3 and NV but people talk about it alongside them without making a distinction like you would with FO/2/NV

>>724742715
Communism isn't American

>>724753675
>cleansing the wasteland
for me? it's putting FEV in the water

How are they wealthy? Where does there income come from?

>>724748221
>need more caps for dem broadcasts.
always keking from this.

>>724741627
What I love about this quest is that if you goto the "father" of the synth before hand he doesn't even mention the quest or anything about his "daughter".

>>724749085
>genuinely embarrassing to put real quotes from real politicians into your game let alone saying the Republicans are genocidal fascists with a president called Dick Dick
this was an extremely common sentiment, you must be underage or recently underage

>>724755224
I know you play games written by politics obsessed Californians anon who think everything is politics

MAIDbros we are so back

>>724742235
Well for one their flesh is constantly rotting off. In iirc fallout 2 or the brotherhood of steel game you need to find a ghouls missing toe so he can put it back on, and one talks about fucking a hooker and his dick coming off inside her and getting stuck and her freaking out. They also probably stink due to the constant rotting flesh and severed limbs. They also look horrifying because of the rotting flesh. And there's always the inevitability that they'll eventually go crazy from radiation. It might not be in your lifetime, but how could you know? Also a lot of them have a massive chip on their shoulder because of how other people treated them, so even if you're kind they might betray you just to shove it to smoothskins.

>>724755224
BWC slut

>todd howard showing blacks and dysgenic undesirables should be exterminated
BASED

>>724757464
really weird how people take things differently. really seems like the game is telling you should let them in and that them killing the rich people isn't so bad.

>>724741436
all things considered fo3 is still better than bos2 or van buren would have been

>>724754774
Based deadbeat dad

>>724740928 (OP)
>Have more than they need
What exactly does tenpenny tower produce that the ghouls want?
Where is its supposed plenty coming from?

> N-no, I don't mean material prosperity, I mean they have rooms they aren't using.
There are shelters everywhere, there are materials suitable for constructing shelters everywhere.

>Yeah, but Ten Penny tower is better. They should share it with everyone in the wasteland.
Have you considered that the reason why these accommodations are of better quality than every other location - why there isn't graffiti plastered on every wall, why there isn't piles of trash strewn in every corner - is because the owners don't let anybody and everybody set up camp in there?
Perhaps its better maintained because it is private property that the owners are prideful and protective of?

>>724759379
wrinkled fingers typed this post

>>724760669
Decomposing fingers typed this post.

>>724746261
Guess even Bethesda manages to get things right every once in a while.

>>724740928 (OP)
the lesson is that tenpenny tower was a fucking retarded location that doesn't make sense. 2nd only to little lamplight in logic breaking stupidity.

>>724762815
The tower itself isn't as bad as it could've been a convention center+hotel that miraculously survived, I would even commend them for having a single location that isn't dilapitated shacks built out of dogshit, tetanus and AIDS
The quest is retarded and the morality of it is completely insane.
All claims to real estate in a postnuclear wasteland come on a first come first serve basis with complaints and disputes being resolved by might makes right.
It could've had something to think about if Tenpenny claimed it after pre-war owner who's now a ghoul was away for the last few decades but has the keys and even a copy of the deed to the tower even though the government recognizing and enforcing his claim on his behalf doesn't exist and Brotherhood of Steel or the Enclave could both be considered successors to the United States Government but either has more important things to deal with to muddle things further the ghoul is a pre-war locksmith and looted the title deed when adventuring, changed his name to match because got tired of his old one.

>>724740928 (OP)
That poor, stupid people are very dangerous in large numbers

>>724740928 (OP)
The lesson is that it's good to helpt the vulnerable and bad to kill them if they take revenge on their oppresors. Which is a fine lesson as any if you're not a nazi chud

>>724763860
if you think about it ghouls are basically chuds
>repulsive to everyone except the exceedingly kind (and each other)
>unpredictable and prone to mental illness/violent psychosis
>disenfranchised, no political party wants them
>deeply resent the normies for their perceived privileged status
I always knew todd was on our side

>>724740928 (OP)
why there is a tower in the middle of nowhere

and its the only building too

>>724740928 (OP)
>only the bottom two floors and the top two floors can be visited or used
>oh and the basement too
this is the plague
it is even worse in souls games
how come people shit on skyrim for "see that mountain? you can climb it!" but don't shit on elden ring for "see that castle? you can only explore the roof of it!" anyway

>>724764839
With GECK you could make all the floors yourself.

>>724741918
Perfect

>>724764728
Where did all these rich people come from?
How did they all get so rich they can apparently pay rent for the rest of their life?
How can they afford to pay the steady stream of necessary supplies when the tower produces and exports literally nothing?

This is why Fallout 3 is NOT immersive. You can't immersive yourself in a world that falls apart even at a cursory glance.

How would you rewrite Fallout 3 to not be retarded?
>still hast to be set around Washington DC area
>needs a settlement where a nuclear bomb takes the center stage

>>724740928 (OP)
This is one of these quests where everyone is happier left untouched

>>724751935
What the fuck
Do yuro-peons REALLY? If some Pablo tried that shit here I wouldn't doubt for a single second that the guard on duty would fucking bayonet him. Do they just not fucking have a guard?

>>724768969
Just like they murdered Ozzy when he pissed on the Alamo right? Lmao all talk no show

>>724770736
The Alamo is a historical monument not a military installation and doesn't have an armed guard 24/7/365
>No response to whether they even have a guard or if they were just too afraid of looking raysiss to do anything to the brownie

>>724742439
Why does "if you don't" have its own door?

>>724768969
>we gotta pretend that the military is serious business so we get more retards to sign up to die for the government
Soldiers commit suicide because they realize what they have done.

>>724742235
Ghouls will eventually deteriorate into ferals after some point in time. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in several hundred years, you don't know. But one single feral can cause countless deaths because at any point they can just go insane and start killing people. If I remember right this isn't random chance either, it WILL happen to all Ghouls it's just the time period it will take is different for all of them. So I want you to imagine if someone with a mini nuke on their arm moves into your town. You know it's armed, you can hear it beeping and whirring and clicking, and you know it will go off at some point you just don't know when. Would you be comfortable sleeping in your house with the mini nuke guy next door?

That's completely ignoring the fact that many Ghouls tend to be fairly reclusive, unhinged, or outright paranoid because of how people treat Ghouls in the first place.

>>724771696
>Ghouls will eventually deteriorate into ferals after some point in time
That's not canon Todd no matter how many times you say it.
All age does to Ghouls is make them slower and weaker, and even that appears to have a limit.

>>724748221
um can you remove the racism from this so I can post it on /r/BethesdaSoftworks? thanks

>>724768969
Eurofags are too afraid to stop the invaders from raping their women and children, knowing if they intervene the state will arrest them for racism. They're a broken, servile people.

>>724744749
Zutt upon your butt gay faggot. Mudslims and foids aren't so different after all.

>>724742235
As others have already said, it's not clear whether or not all ghouls will eventually go feral given enough time and rads, and there's no reason to believe your average wastelander knows either. If they've ever had to deal with a pack of screaming, bloodthirsty ferals you can bet they're gonna be nervous around the 'normal' ones for a long time.
Every game since 3 has made mention of sane ghouls going feral, it is a thing that happens, it just isn't clear why. As such, you never know if your ghoul neighbor is just gonna wake up one day as an animal. People don't want to live around them. Also they're really fucking gross looking.

>>724740928 (OP)
Tranny

>>724740928 (OP)
That sometimes the correct response is to walk away.

>>724767929
I think a better justification for megaton would be that the bomb started off as a tactic to ward off raiders. Basically they kept threatening to turn the entire capital into a crater if anyone attacked them. And the threat worked so well, they were able to build a prosperous and peaceful settlement around it.

>>724740928 (OP)
>4 fallout 3 threads in the catalog
Sasuga, marketerkun.
So when is the remake getting shadowdropped?

>>724740928 (OP)
You need a couple of ladders just to move in.
Are ghouls that stupid?

>>724773234
Not a terrible idea. Could make it a kinda Boomers situation and have it be a former military base which had a nuke in storage.

>>724740928 (OP)
remake when

>>724758253
there are several options to kill roy and his crew without getting negative karma thoeverbeit.

bro the fallout 3 remaster cant come soon enough, trying to play outer worlds and its literally boring as fuck , i want a real open world rpg to play

>>724754265
was about to say the same
2014 was magical
the elections ruined this site forever

>>724751935
what country was this?
in my country the tomb of the unknown soldier is manned 24/7 by the military
this has to be some thirdie shithole in the balkans or some shit

>>724751935
And this is why we keep guards posted around the tomb in the US.

>>724773903
According to google, Belgium.

>>724747485
The only right answer.

>>724755224
Doesn't that game also have a radio commercial for a doctor who specializes in cutting off your dick and balls?

>>724741627
Illusion of choice, like many games today.

>>724740928 (OP)
Shitskins love that a lot.

>>724742514
This guy gets it, they want to make you a shabbos goy, look at GTA games for example.

>>724774363
>namefag
>words on a pic that I'll never read
Hairy Pottery.

>>724774479
You can ask nicely, you know?

>>724773234
>prosperous and peaceful settlement
Sadly Megaton (or any other town) is not that in FO3.

>>724763480
Bethesda, hire this man

>>724774265
not that far then.

>>724740928 (OP)
>Do a communism
>Things go wrong
A tale as old as Judaism.

>>724740928 (OP)

Its probably the most clever bit of writing in the whole game.

>>724774928
If you hated my post that much just tell me to kill myself or something, telling me to work at bethesda, that's needlessly cruel.
I ran a GURPS campaign that's a rewrite of F3 with only few locations even remotely resembling shit in-game
Instead of le gary,the clone vault was done in by a parallel of the panama disease where a fungal infection that's common place for normal people just killed the clones.

>>724740928 (OP)
bethescucks "writing"

>>724740928 (OP)
No Right Choices In The Wasteland.

>>724740928 (OP)
I slaughtered all the Ghouls once I realised what they did.
No ragrets.