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Anonymous No.724954769 [Report] >>724955334 >>724962217 >>724962645 >>724963268 >>724964895 >>724965105 >>724965148 >>724965543 >>724966207 >>724966662 >>724967121 >>724967603 >>724970151 >>724971387 >>724971580 >>724971853 >>724972560 >>724972836 >>724973107 >>724973219 >>724973310
Is a world of warcraft 2 even possible?

How would you do it in a way that could actually build a playerbase in 2025+?
Is there anything a sequel could do that an expansion couldn't?
Anonymous No.724955067 [Report] >>724960858 >>724967592
good morning blizzard employees, please kill yourselves thank you
Anonymous No.724955130 [Report] >>724960653
Fuck off blizzard employees
Anonymous No.724955334 [Report] >>724960091
>>724954769 (OP)
>is (insert any MMO here) possible?

No. The genre has been dead for over 10 years.
Until a big developer decides to grow a brain and do things vastly different than the established 'grind grind grind grind gear gear gear gear' garbage that every MMO does, every single MMO that comes out will continue to fail and die.

And because corporations are worthless and their 'market research' will continue to tell them to make shitty wow clones (a game that was not even that good to begin with), no, it isn't possible.

Next question.
Anonymous No.724958312 [Report] >>724962316
Every once in a while I think about trying to get back into WoW, but then I remember that the game is only a small part of why I think fondly on my time playing it, and that I can't recapture that feeling just by replaying the game.
Anonymous No.724958427 [Report]
yes
sunset the original game, no more updates beyond bugfixes and server support, close its cash shop, all that good stuff (in blizzard fashion they probably wouldn't make cash shop stuff purchasable after sunsetting)
understand also that this move makes no financial sense whatsoever over just continuing WoW
Anonymous No.724960091 [Report]
>>724955334
this + you can't have barren's chat in [current year]
Anonymous No.724960378 [Report] >>724965707
>"WoW 2"
retail has changed so radically from vanilla that it's pretty much WoW 5 by now
Anonymous No.724960653 [Report]
>>724955130
Obsessed
Anonymous No.724960858 [Report]
>>724955067
If I were a blizzard employee I wouldn't be asking anything here. I would be asking an activision consultant to give me the worst possible ideas to all but ensure the failure of the project.
Anonymous No.724962217 [Report] >>724962453
>>724954769 (OP)
Honestly? Unlike others like the other big MMOs FFXIV and OSRS, WoW doesn't seem to be limited as much by the engine, it still controls better and has better netcode than every single new MMO which is impressive, they've been able to implement new physics with dragon flying or whatever it's called, and proper housing now.
At this point, a hard reset would serve more of a marketing purpose than allowing devs to do things they are incapable of doing with their current tools.
If they go for WoW2 I'd personally like to see a big change in design philosophy, drop the vertical design for starters and take notes from runescape, restarting WoW is pointless if it's going to become an unbearable mess 2 expansions in.
Anonymous No.724962316 [Report]
>>724958312
I don't want to come off sounding sappy but playing classic anniversary I did recapture that feeling. The very design of classic seems generate positive interactions. People help each other out with quests and how to get to dungeons
Anonymous No.724962453 [Report] >>724963521
>>724962217
>and take notes from runescape
What do you mean?
Not having a grand exchange?
Anonymous No.724962645 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
yes, but I won't tell you how mr blizzard
Anonymous No.724962798 [Report]
Thanks Blizzard that you made this game so shit that even I who was super addicted to it, quit this trash.
You are real heroes
Anonymous No.724962872 [Report]
Have it be mostly a stand-alone narrative that has no connection to the current main characters and storylines. Move the timeline forward 700 years, introduce a world that has changed a great deal over time which will create an opportunity to design new zones around gameplay, introduce new characters and factions allowing the story to start over fresh.

Make it nearly impossible to bot or do RMT

make good talent trees

do better PvP content
Anonymous No.724963042 [Report]
Use HotS graphics, NOT wc3 reforged.
Anonymous No.724963268 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
it would fail because shitty nu-blizzard is pozzed to fuck and full greed mode
they can't even make AV tier battles no longer lag yet in 2005 we could have 24/7 AV's and it ran perfectly fine.
garbage company ran by garbage people full of garbage devs.
Anonymous No.724963521 [Report]
>>724962453
Mostly content longevity and flexibility, none of this "play the patch" business they added in Wrath that makes it so that only content released witthin the last 6 months is relevant. Add situational upgrades, flatten the power curve, make content that is enjoyable and feasible for solos as well as groups, relax base requirements to clear content but reward clearing efficiently, stuff like that
Anonymous No.724963625 [Report] >>724963856
There's a final fantasy MMO 2
There's a guild wars 2
There's a phantasy star online 2

Why not WoW 2?
Anonymous No.724963856 [Report]
>>724963625
There's also sybau 2, labubu unc ahhh dusty old bones full of green dust.
Anonymous No.724964895 [Report] >>724966684
>>724954769 (OP)
An MMO just is not going to capture imaginations like they did when wow came out.

Wow marketed itself as an entire world, far beyond a game. It was presented as basically inexhaustible, so vast a game that your character was a major part of your life and identity. There was no promise of "endgame" in wow marketing because it was almost acting like there was no end, no point where you've seen pretty much everything and don't need to really explore anymore and are just grinding relatively a small amount of much more difficult remaining content.

That sales pitch depended on an era where the frontiers of what video games are was expanding at a rapid and unpredictable rate, not the diminishing return incremental situation we have now where the biggest innovation or expansion in capability is raytracing.

You needed an era where a game could be advertised as a whole world, and people were like "well I don't know, video games get so much better every year, maybe it is like a whole world" and can buy into that sales pitch the way they did back then. Then of course long term players run into the boundaries of it, there's a level cap, its really big for a video but nowhere near realistically big, but if they've stuck around that long they clearly really like it, and its world-y enough that they generally don't feel dissatisfied or gipped. But the stratospheric popularlity it enjoyed for a few years back then did depend on being able to sell that initial fantasy.
Anonymous No.724965105 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
I think it would be cool to have zones that you need to spec into, like if there was a poison zone that only priests with cure poison aura can travel in, but it is a huge sacrifice to spec into that. You could have all the zones have different traits like this. It could be part of the world building, and it would make people feel more useful and part of a society. And then there could be special mats in those zones, making the people that specced into it feel valuable. Plus a more well thought out hardcore system should be default. There are some serious issues with wow hardcore but it feels so much more like a "world" with dangers around every corner, I think it makes the game much more fresh. It can't just be more of the same with better graphics. Just spitballing my retarded thoughts.
Anonymous No.724965148 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
>Is a world of warcraft 2 even possible?
Yes.

Made by modern Blizzard?
No.
Anonymous No.724965543 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
>Is a world of warcraft 2 even possible?
Why wouldn't it be?
Anonymous No.724965707 [Report]
>>724960378
>Wow 1 classic
>Wow 2 tbc, wrath, cata
>Wow 3 mop, Wod, legion
>Wow 4 bfa, SL
>Wow 5 DF, WW

and Wow 6 is coming soon because of all the changes being made to the game come midnight
Anonymous No.724966207 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
lol no
warcraft and blizzard have ruined any hype they could have
and mmorpg game design needs to be unironic slop with random dungeons and quest locations to even be remotely engaging enough for players to work together
moreover addons and shit need to be removed and yeet cross servers and factions
otherwise it'll just be the same meta gayming song and dance with people running to online guides and abusing strangers rather than building connections/rivalries with other players they actually see every week
Anonymous No.724966662 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
No. Games aren't made the same anymore and it would be focused on MAU and EOMM and CASHSHOP. Blame retarded gamers
Anonymous No.724966684 [Report] >>724969116
>>724964895
>retard with shit opinion that's wrong
many such cases
Anonymous No.724967121 [Report] >>724967492
>>724954769 (OP)
https://youtu.be/Falm0H7VEiQ
do you think there is anyone at blizzard who would put this one thought into making a game these days?
Anonymous No.724967371 [Report] >>724974357
Retcon back to Vanilla
Remove PvP
Remove Undead (Goblins can be the Eastern Kingdom race)
Make the story focused on peace and forgiveness
Have Jaina marry Thrall
Anonymous No.724967492 [Report]
>>724967121
We've really lost our way
Anonymous No.724967592 [Report]
>>724955067
Fpbp

Blizzshit is slop made by cattle for cattle
Anonymous No.724967603 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
fire every trannies and women, then maybe
Anonymous No.724969116 [Report]
>>724966684
I didn't mean to upset you but its nice that I did
Anonymous No.724970151 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
Meanwhile Everquest 3 and Guildwars 3 are in development. The rise of full-loot PvP extraction shooters like Tarkov, Arena Breakpoint, Arc Raiders, and to a much much lesser extent, Marathon (lol) is bringing back the old framework of the early MMO's like Ultima Online. The gaming world is healing, with or without WoW 2.
Anonymous No.724971387 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
I think that a massive part of classic WoW was the already vast world building they did with warcraft 3 and frozen throne which would amount to 7 different games in terms of content. That and the fact that LoTR was released and broke cinema records not long before and a huge audience was still yearning for that fantasy experience. Gamers were accustomed to quality worlds they could get lost in.

The problem with today's companies is that they realized that looks > content in terms of profit and they put more effort into trailers than fleshing out the gameplay or the world. Blizzard still makes gameplay that is engaging for a quick game but you can't create a world that has been done before and expect to capture people like it used to and I don't think anyone at blizzard is capable of doing a big title like that again
Anonymous No.724971580 [Report] >>724971717
>>724954769 (OP)
Make warcraft 4, you stupid bastards, nobody cares about wow
Anonymous No.724971717 [Report]
>>724971580
There is no way to make a game that doesn't collapse under the shitshow that is warcraft lore at this point.
Anonymous No.724971853 [Report] >>724972043 >>724972232 >>724972243 >>724972658
>>724954769 (OP)
devs already said the current iteration of WoW is WoW 2.0, basically just the process of updating graphics, pruning add-ons, and making under-the-hood changes. there will be no relaunch or anything like that. imagine the great spergening, people would lose literal decades of collectibles, titles, achievements, whatever. nolifers actually quite literally live for this game and have little to nothing else going on in their lives, there'd be mass suicides
Anonymous No.724972043 [Report] >>724972284
>>724971853
>there'd be mass suicides
I dont think anyone cares that much, some of the players would be upset but theyre used to coping
Anonymous No.724972232 [Report]
>>724971853
Just give them special transmog in WoW 2 for the achievements they made in WoW 1. Simple.
Anonymous No.724972243 [Report]
>>724971853
If WoW were to disappear tomorrow all those people would feel an immense weight taken off their shoulders, and would re-emerge into the sunshine for the first time in the past 20 years of their life.
Anonymous No.724972284 [Report]
>>724972043
i used to play with some serious nolifers, some of them even had kids and a wife (somehow) who would be on WoW nearly 16 hours a day, i just wouldn't underestimate the power of addiction and dependency
Anonymous No.724972560 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
no its not possible
the mazed spell would be broken almost INSTANTANEOUSLY
a WoW 2 would do well at launch purely by name and take nosedive shortly after a bad content patch (read: first patch)
Anonymous No.724972657 [Report] >>724972789 >>724973356
Why is this fucking game always on /v, and always in some sleazy excuse for a thread? It's for years now

I literally play this shitpile btw (keeping in touch with long distance friends) and even I don't want to see this. I imagine what people who don't play MMOs must feel like.
Anonymous No.724972658 [Report]
>>724971853
Society could do with a few mass suicides
Anonymous No.724972789 [Report]
>>724972657
>waaaaaa muh Nintendie thread got pruned
Cope
Anonymous No.724972836 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
They can simply jt even more and remove all racial and gender choices.
Anonymous No.724973107 [Report] >>724973243
>>724954769 (OP)
imo they have to
the game needs a tabula rasa
Anonymous No.724973219 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
>Is a world of warcraft 2 even possible?
No. Modern MMORPGs aren't sustainable. The average PC gamer lacks the PC to run modern games. People play things like 14 and WoW because it's all they can run. MMORPGs that push the graphics minimums all die out.

Then you also have to consider how it can be set up. Both are impossible due to modern inept gamedevs. The only real options are Azeroth in the far future with a new cast of characters or on a new planet (current WoW is driving more and more towards this as a probability). Blizz lacks the competent world builders/writers to do this.
Anonymous No.724973243 [Report] >>724973307
>>724973107
Why don't you just say "blank slate" instead of being pretentious? Are you AI?
Anonymous No.724973304 [Report]
i don't think anyone at modern blizzard would even know how to design a new MMO
Anonymous No.724973307 [Report]
>>724973243
because people say tabula rasa
are you retarded?
Anonymous No.724973310 [Report]
>>724954769 (OP)
>Is a world of warcraft 2 even possible?
not with current blizzard employees, no. You need a brand new team of passionate outsiders to create something as unique and impactful
Anonymous No.724973356 [Report]
>>724972657
>why is one of the largest live service games in the world posted about
Anonymous No.724974357 [Report]
>>724967371
Alliance players are the biggest cucks I've ever seen
Anonymous No.724974551 [Report] >>724974680
got a 6 month ban for botting fishing you think they will appeal it?
Anonymous No.724974680 [Report] >>724974908
>>724974551
meanwhile the thoundsands of chinese gold farmers run around empty instances
Anonymous No.724974908 [Report] >>724974952
>>724974680
yea complete fucking bullshit. Been playing since vanilla on and off and I decided to bot fishing for maybe 5 hours max and then fucking 2 months later banned.
Anonymous No.724974952 [Report]
>>724974908
didn't buy enough store mounts lol