Thread 725015201

I bought this back in June for 200€. Now it's over 500€. Should've built that PC sooner, dumbasses.

>>725015201 (OP)
putting anything glowing in your pc is like getting a tattoo or having blue hair with a nose piercing as a girl.

immediate red flag to not ever take you seriously

>64
why, i barely reach 20 even with games and other shit running

Back in June. I won.

All ram and storage prices went up because of ai shit

>>725015323
Local AI programs.

>>725015201 (OP)
>keep seeing people seethe about "muh ram prices"
>check the ram I bought 2 weeks ago
>still same price
>dont get it
>turns out these monkeys have been seething about 64gb which no normal person is buying anyway
lol? Most people still use 16gb, where do 64gb nigs get off talking about "all ram"

It's over (for you, not me)

>>725015323
then you're just a normie basedboy who only browses the internet

32 GB is the recommended default nowadays even for office PCs, because even the office suite needs a shitton of RAM. If you're doing video editing 32 GB isn't even enough and still causes premiere and after effects to crash

>>725015456
Don't think you've ever done video editing in your life if you think this is true
I use Premiere weekly without problems on 16gb

>D-d-don't buy yet, just wait!!
Kek, waiters in the mud. Shoulda boughted when you had the chance.

>>725015386
literally everything went up because the dollar is hyperinflating soon

Same shit happened when we had the last supply crunch. You'll just have to deal with crazy prices and Newegg Shuffle bullshit until the AI slopmarket finally crashes.

>>725015541
ddr5 will crash when ddr6 launches

>>725015440
i thought AI needed VRAM or else it would be so slow to the point of not bothering with, what changed? (not that it matters to me, i'm still on DDR4 lol)

>>725015520
The minimum reqs are 16 GB for a maximum res of 1440*900, maybe it works for cutting tiktok clips but you're definitely not cutting and editing anything that's longer than a minute on 16 GB. You certainly aren't serious about it if you're working on a piece of shit with 16 GB

https://helpx.adobe.com/after-effects/system-requirements.html

>>725015745
So do you actually use it or do you just read off requirements off a website?

>>725015707
People who can't afford the big dick brand gpus still want in in the beeg deep chink models.

>>725015707
HMB for AI chips is so much lucrative the fab investment goes there. Also AI crap uses slower DRAM memory too.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/gb200-nvl72/
13.4 TB HBM3e
17 TB LPDDR5X

>>725015843
So what's the difference between genning hentai on a 32GB GPU vs 16GB GPU + RAM?

I got these bad boys early this year for around 105 USD, now they are 200, if you need to build a pc do it now and get something on sale

>>725015201 (OP)
I simply do not purchase things during speculative market hikes
>but what if you need it now
then price is not a concern

>>725015456
i use several art programs and game dev stuff on 32gb fine, you sound like a poser

>>725015707
low spec CPU-only LLMs are being actively developed in order to bring local AI to consumer grade hardware

>>725015201 (OP)
Same I bought this exact ram last year love the glows on my PC and I can just shut them off if I ever get tired of them or during the day.

Best buy I did last year, the economy is currently in the process of pricing everyone out.

>it's real
I will just wait

>>725016178
AI is such a cancer

>>725016218
Nah it's based

>>725015201 (OP)
Christ, I just built a new pc a few months ago.
Thank god I didn't wait longer

>>725016218
it's not always shortage causing spikes. retailers will just use any excuse to increase prices in order to profit from it. same thing happens to oil prices when random political events happen around the world

>>725016178
Realistically, AI is not going away so RAM prices might remain in these ranges, but the bubble itself has gotta burst at some point, current AI is mostly a schizo larp and a lot of businesses are realizing it can't really do what they need consistently.

>>725016293
Either the demand continues and anyone who invests in more capacity can sell a lot of DRAM capturing market share bringing the prices down.
Or they anticipate the bubble to pop and don't invest to avoid overcapacity. Either way the prices won't stay elevated forever.

>>725015201 (OP)
and you can thank AI for this
demand for good ran is skyrocketing thanks to fucking useless ai slop

>>725015707
You need RAM for swapping and partially offloading models as they can't realistically fit on consumer hardware VRAM. A lot of AI applications require you to load multiple models for a single generation task, something like AI image or video genning require you to load a text encoder, the generation model itself and a visual auto encoder.

>>725015290
Try to find a non glowie gayming ram or video card right now, shit is harder than getting yourself a head

>>725015440
you will get cheap refurb - like you already can buy old xeons and ddr4 for pennies

i built my pc in 2019 and its been running nonstop and hasnt failed me at all. i use unregistered windows 10 and the only change ive made to it is upgrading the 2060 to a 3060ti

>>725015201 (OP)
Guess I'm sticking with the trusty 12900K on DDR4-3200 for a while longer (I was anyway, not moving until AM6)
I'm fine for SSDs.

>>725016002
This is about text generation stuff, not image.
The big Chinese text models like Deepseek are like 700GB and you have to load it into memory or the speed goes to like 0.001%. Text models don't necessarily need rapid speed as long as you can actually fit them into memory. It just means 3 words a second instead of 10 and you're not going to read that fast anyway.
700MB of RAM, while expensive an requiring a specific enthusiat server kind of setup, is much less expensive than getting 700MB of VRAM.
Anyone running these giant models locally is very rare, though, so prices are just expensive because of them being loaded into server farms or something. I really don't know what the corporate use of RAM is.

>>725016478
g.skill has ripjaws which is RGB-free.
Sapphire Pulse 9070XT has no RGB.

>>725016132
damn, really?
any of them worth using with 32GB of DDR4?

>>725015201 (OP)
I've been looking for microsds for a while now and the price for the one I was about to pick increased to 10x its original price. I have no idea what the fuck is going on

>>725016218
and you haven't seen anything yet
it will fucking bury the whole economy
and there is no back up plan, because we ruled by corrupt idiots who couldn't even handle a few months of flu property

maybe You should not be building PC in a first place if few $ up or down is such a problem for You

>>725016478
Corsair and kingston have rgb less kits iirc
I can only put my PC case to the left of the monitor so rgb is useless to me as I'll be looking at the steel panel

>>725016756
Why?

>>725016602
>>725016812
Okay I'll check it out

>>725016814 idk maybe work on making more fucking money

>>725015323
just in case :)

>>725015201 (OP)
Cheap RAM is wasted RAM

>>725015201 (OP)
>>725016663
it's those AI fags buying everything up, these fuckers are going collapse the economy when businesses and customers can't afford computer parts.
>https://www.pcmag.com/news/this-is-insanity-ddr-ram-prices-soar-due-to-ai-demand

>https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20251014PD209/dram-hdd-nand-price-capacity-production-adata.html

>>725016705
Have you tried getting a job?

>>725015440
>utter scourge of the world
Holy kek

>>725017132
won't be any jobs when the recession hits and people won't be able to afford anything leading to depression

>>725016990
>just slave away more instead of enjoying things
No. :)

>>725017217
They're right. AI is not actual artificial intelligence. It cannot innovate. It's a stagnation on progress. Only jeets and bugmen like it because it's spiritually close to them.

>>725015201 (OP)
I bought a pair of RGB sticks once and it almost made me gay. Luckily they were faulty and had to be returned.

>>725016073
>cl36

>>725017323
I've been able to gen complex images combining various art styles into beautiful hentai. If that's not innovation then I don't know what is.

>>725017217
saar you must redeem another 2 trillion dollars in datacenters before the chatbot can solve for strawberry. SAAR ANOTHER 3 TRILLION IN DATACENTERS SAAR

>>725017626
Seething

>>725016478
I have a kit.
Just dont use "gaming" brands

>>725017416
You will get bored sooner or later, because it will all be the same shit. But by that time AI will have fucked the industry in the ass and crippled a generation of new artists.

>>725017904
>crippled a generation of new artists.
No it won't.
Art will be better than ever.
Nothing makes better art than SUFFERING.

>>725017217
Life is worse for us, but it's also worse for them so it's based (and redpilled). I'm going to punch myself in the face and there's nothing you can do to stop me. Take that, reddit.

>>725015707
The DRAM chips for GPUs and system RAM are made at the same fabs and the fabs are prioritizing the silicon valley faggots.

>>725017960
There won't be suffering. The cattle will be doomscrolling their phones, getting their dopamine shot by looking at the latest sloppa, while creative minds are drowned out in the endless noise of consumerism. It's a sedation.

>>725017343
There hardly any improvement in gaming performance with lower CAS latency I game 1080p, unless you’re a gullible stats faggot chasing mainstream trends
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Ofj5nIYfY

>>725018642
Cope

>>725015707
Extra system RAM can prevent your computer from crashing if you're using a low VRAM card
DDR4 is still good

>>725018006
>for us
Speak for yourself fag

Fuck it. I'm not getting cucked out of a black friday build by no RAM.

>>725015201 (OP)
>tfw boughted my 32 GB 6400mhz CL30 DDR5 RAM for $80 back in June

>>725015201 (OP)
>buy picrel in may for 60€
>want another set so my ram isnt mismatched
>cheapest list price is 205€
the jews won't let me have nice things, will they?

>mfw didn't bought SSD and ram in October, thinking they might get cheaper this black friday
Just end me.

On another note, anyone of you using an x3d chip? Do you rike it?

>>725020535
bought a 5700x3d in may, unironically extended my system's lifespan by at least 5 years

>>725020535
I upgraded a month ago from 5600 to 7800X3D, UE5 garbage still stutters.

>>725020648
nta, I've been looking into getting 5700x3d as well for a while now. If this is any indication seems like prices only going to get worse, should I just pull the trigger on it right now?

>>725020535
love my 9800x3d but it's overkill for a lot of games. a 7800x3d would do just fine in 2025

at least i wont have to upgrade my CPU for the forseeable future

>>725021158
Yes, never wait.
At worst it'll go down by 30% but you'll still have one.
If you wait, you risk it going out of your budget and youll be left with nothing in exchange for waiting.

>>725021158
RAM is back-ordered from suppliers until past May next year.
Unless your waiting a year... It's probably not going to get better any time soon. But, it might not always be quite this bad.

@gaben do something

>>725015201 (OP)
On the plus side, monitors are now cheap as fuck.

>have 5800x3d
>some months ago decide why yes, I DO need 64gb ram (I don't)
>ebay up a kit for fair market price
>install
>just werks™
>rumours come out zen 6 - which is when I will do a platform upgrade - might be coming later than initially speculated
>now dram prices are skyrocketing
Somehow my itch to consoom has let me avoid this.

>>725020020
Going 96gb is the only time those 48gb dimms makes sense. It is even worse if you go for 2x24gb as they are the price of 2x32gb but often with worse timings.

This shit is what will keep console gaming alive

>>725015201 (OP)
We really need to start talking about the memoryjew

>>725021681
nah, dumb and lazy (majority of population) will keep it alive

>>725015201 (OP)
hey /biz/ should I invest in RAM stock?

>>725021734
Optane died for your sins.

>>725015201 (OP)
Fuck, I was hoping it was was tarrifs and would be dropping back down soon because of the deal

>>725021818
No

>>725015201 (OP)
Why are there RGB lights on everything?

>>725015201 (OP)
forget RGB on RAM being a step too far, thats gonna fuck with clearance on other parts

>>725015201 (OP)
>gets 64GB RAM
>buys a 4060/5060
Heh, nothing personnel poorfag

ram cartel was pretty open about cutting supply like a year ago. the sanctions on that chinese ram company helped too.

>>725022302
The most fucked up thing about those gay lights is how they can't be permanently turned off. You need bloatware to disable the damn thing.

>>725015794
nta, but I do and he's correct. the only shit you're editing with 16gb of ram is short form lowres slop content and shitposts. forget having anything else open on your PC at the same time either.

>>725015201 (OP)
>6000MHz
don't do this it creates mustard gas

>>725021818
When you see number go up you're supposed to sell, not buy the top. It's already too late to invest in anything, if anything people are expecting a recession soon, crypto and stocks are crashing currently.

>>725022301
>>725022635
You're tricking me into not investing aren't you? Want to keep the fat profits to yourself, huh?

>>725022576
It's 3000MHz in reality.

>>725016478
PNY HyperX, Kingston, A-Tech, SK Hynix, and Teamgroup all sell RGB-less RAM. I'm running 2x8 Hynix and 2x8 Teamgroup sticks and they run flawlessly.

>my memory is worth more than 90% of /v/s entire PCs
lol

>>725015201 (OP)
It's only over 500 because the company stopped making this model. They likely have a newer model. All those sellers are third party losers.

If you still have the packaging, just put yours back in it to make it look new and sell it for a profit while you buy the newer model.

>>725020535
Ive been loving the 100€ 5700x3d i got from aliexpress some time back
more than doubled my fps in VR games and pushed back having to upgrade the rest of my pc for years
currently running EU5 butter smooth

>>725023693
And it made you 90% less likely to get pussy KWAB

Guess I got lucky. Heh.

>>725023786
why?

>>725024017
me too

>>725015440
E=mc2+AI

>>725015440
>saving for months to spend $300
Where the fuck do these people live?
I work retail in the US and don't have to pull shit like this

>>725015201 (OP)
AI is just going to fuck the entire PC parts market isn't it?

>>725024542
It's been doing this for a while, we just didn't expect it to reach beyond GPUs.

>>725015201 (OP)
>Should've built that PC sooner, dumbasses.
I've been saving from my neetbux for the whole year, it's not fair..

>>725022520
https://openrgb.org/ you can use this to disable these things and uninstall it but sometimes that shit turns back on after bios update or w/e

>>725015201 (OP)
that's weid I bought 2 sticks of these for 100 bucks like 3 months ago

>>725015438
anon this is the EXACT same thing that happened to graphics cards. first they come for the expensive ones and the AItards go for whatever there's still in the market

>>725022520
You can easily turn them off with the free tier of SignalRGB. I do it all the time during the day and during the night it's cool to use a static color so it illuminates my desktop and reduces eye strain.

>>725024613
yeah that was the point I was asking. they fucked up the GPU market and are now going for the rest

>>725024676
>Why should I believe you, you're Hitler.

>>725024754
Mine turns back on as soon as I shut down the PC, restarting doesn't cause that.
I use OpenRGB to turn it off at start up but it should be a simple toggle in UEFI.

>bought 96gb kit in august
>prices jumped 2x next month

>>725015201 (OP)
Holy shit that doubled since I bought some.

>>725015323
I run AI stuff, some of the VMs est RAM. The more the better

>>725017217
not wrong.
>everyone is oh wow AI awesome until CEOs use AI to fuck you over

>>725017626
seriously? even india is getting obliterated by ai.

>still on DDR4

too poor to upgrade then too poor to upgrade now.

>>725021443
decade, bucko.

>>725015201 (OP)
>couldn't build my PC before COVID hit because I had to use the money on family matters
>GPU prices go through the roof because of crypto
>prices never recover and people get used to pay 1k for a graphics card
>fast forward to this year, economically stable, finally build a PC
>right before another price spike
>prices will never go down and people will get used to pay double the price for RAM

I guess I lucked out. Fucking AI, it has been nothing but a blight for the end consumer.

>>725015201 (OP)
How many times RAM manufacturers have been caught price fixing now? Will they ever stop?

I think I will survive.

>>725026285
>build PC like a year before COVID
>have cheapshit monitor so have had no reason to upgrade vidya-wise for the last like 7 years

>>725026129
I say good. the entire world of software has desperately needed hardware to stagnate for a long time now. you know that false meme about humans only using 10% of their brains or something? for computers it's actually true, in fact it's an understatement. every program you know could run at least 10 times as fast. it just didn't have to because when it was written computers were already very fast and wide and expected to become even faster and wider soon. that's why every program runs like shit. it was easier to write in a horrifically inefficient way so that's what you get. the real inefficiency of common software ranges from 10x to 1000x nowadays, and it's still rising. a whole generation of programmers never learned to optimize and this would fix that. considering how many programmers there are now the amount of clever optimization techniques we would get out of this necessity would be amazing.

>>725026285
man i am so glad i jumped in the am4 socket back when 2600x launched
fucking 7 years later i dropped a 5700x3d on it for cheap and i only forked for a 9070xt earlier this year because i found one at like 20 bucks over msrp, i was rolling a 1080 with a smile on the face
am4 was the best socket holy shit

>>725024104
>he doesn't know

>>725015201 (OP)
The fuck? When I bought mine, they were around $50-$60

>>725015707
Turns out the amount of RAM you have is more important for running LMMs than the speed of said RAM.

>>725015201 (OP)
Jeez. I bought 64gb ddr5 in september of 2024 for $105. Same thing is $312 now.

>>725027185
>"get an AM5 PC, AM4 is a dead end and it will be discontinued soon, it's worth the extra $50-$100 you will spend
>AM5 now gets priced up the ass

I mean, I have 32GB, I don't need 64GB at all, but I wanted to get an extra 2TB nvme and it appears that SSD prices are also increasing. What a shitshow.

>>725027878
How much porn are gooners genning to justify all that hardware?

>>725015201 (OP)
Lmao what the fuck
I'd heard about prices going up but I had no idea it was this bad
I'm part of the problem btw, i boughted 128gb of DDR4 earlier this year for running quanted Deepseek R1 on. Seethe

>>725028687
You're not the problem, corporations wanting to have their own glorified search engines are.

>>725027996
I have genned over 15 000 images since January on my shitty 1660S.

When I get my hands on better hardware... oh boy.

>>725025834
You know shit's going to get real when grandma is buying gift cards for an LLM

>>725028746
I know, I know, I was playing it up, and I'm sure the Goog' isn't buying RAM by the gigabyte
Still, if i don't fill this jar of hater tears, then how am i going to feed the family? Please understand

>>725015440
>saving for months for a $300 purchase
Holy poors, bateman

>Was thinking about buying new RAM kits for my Lenovo Legion Pro
>This thread pop up
I get paid next week and I'm aiming to get the Corsair Vengeance 96gb RAM kit. The cheapest I see it for is $390 so should I buy it next week or on the day of Black Friday hoping there's a deal for it then.

>>725016232
What AI software is this?

>>725015201 (OP)
bought the same kit specs without RGB last week for 250.

>>725030398
Stable Diffusion Forge with CatTower checkpoint.

>>725020535
just ordered a 9800x3d, arrives on friday

>>725021158
If you're sticking to AM4, absolutely go for it right now, it will be pretty much the last AM4 CPU you will ever get and it will give your PC new life for the next half decade. Also consider that as AM4 gets discontinued, their components might spike up in price in the future. If you want to wait, then buy it on Black Friday.

Thank God I picked up 128 gigs but man it was still expensive compared to back in the day. What happened. Ram was a meme now its not. I was on like ddr3 and man it started too suck.

>>725030443
ok

>>725015201 (OP)
>Voting Trump
>Ever
/pol/lack Nazis are retards, but of course they would have to be to be Nazis.

Intel ram is still cheap in some stores.

I still don't understand what VRAM is
I didn't even fully understand raytracing or TressFX until like 5 years ago

>>725027231
neither do you

I'm still on DDR4 so i've just upgraded to 64GB from 16GB.
Should be good for a while.

>>725015707
For the example of video generation using WAN 2.2 with a single lora:
- CLIP text encoder (5GB)
- VAE latent space encoder/decoder (1GB)
- WAN high-noise model (16GB)
- WAN low-noise model (16GB)
- high-noise lora (.5GB)
- low-noise lora (.5GB)
- the tool piecing it all together (1GB)

Just to even load all that you need 40GB. Then additional RAM is used each step a result is pulled off the GPU.

Have you guys tried buying ram that doesn't have shitty neon vomit rgb? You're just asking to be fucked in the ass

>>725015201 (OP)
Bought this in May and built my first actual gaming PC.

>>725034638
Retard.

>>725017217
luddites MAD AS FUCK at this post

>>725034638
RGB RAM costs almost the same or even less than non-RGB RAM.

>>725034638
the government subsidizes the RGB lights

So its over for AM4?

The usual suspects are shorting billions worth of Silicon Valley shares.
Prepare your anus.

>>725015201 (OP)
>mfw I bought 64GB of RAM for my new system when it was cheap in 2023 solely to run Koikatsu mods
Turned out to be a wise decision. I fucking hate what the DIY space has become because of all these fucking bubbles. I just want to go back to the way it was in the 2010s (but only PC hardware, the 2010s was a shit decade)

>mfw i bought a 64gb kit literally a month ago and the price doubled since
Should I sell my old 32GB kit for 250€?

>>725015290
retard

Why is it that whenever people discuss specs on /v/, they act like they're using their home PC professionally? What kind of a fucking job you have where you use your private hardware?

>>725035879
Local hentai generation is a professional job.

>>725035879
Not even that, it's just a pissing contest.

>>725015201 (OP)
Can someone explain why filling all your ram slots makes the computer more unstable

>>725033880
virtual ram, you need to download it from sites and is a bit slower and you can only go 4x capacity of your actual ram

>>725036256
A woman can take 2 dicks at the same time with efficiency but 4 is pushing it.

pc bro's will tell you your a fag for buying a console when a single component can cost a entire new console + 3/4 full price games as if it's normal to pay that much for the privilege of running UE5 games at a silky smooth 43 fps with ass loads of frame gen enabled.

>>725037701
You could always just use console settings, which is something like 900p checkerboarded to 1440p and AI upscaled to 4K, all at silky smooth 27fps.

>>725016132
>>725016660
You can run local LLMs on CPU, can had for years. Just use Ollama

>>725035697
>two weeks until bubble pop

>>725038552
No, sorry, you don't have two weeks. It started a few hours ago. Pic related is already $730 billion gone.

>have upper-mid tier rig since i have other interests and my money cant all go toward my PC
>all the games i like run perfectly on my computer because most of them are older
>any slop made since 2019 it total dogshit anyway so it doesnt matter if i can or cant run it
>have no problems

it that easy. if you dont like slop, you never have to pay to run the slop.

>>725015201 (OP)
i wish for a fucking solar storm so big that will send us back in 1900's because i am tired of AI slop and megacorporations who make everything worse

>>725030646
What model?

>>725019836
bodycount?

>>725027878
>>725028996
>1660s
I'm surprised that this gpu still performs so well with recent games, like BF6, Silent Hill F and ARC Riders

Why do you need DDR5 when DDR4 exists?

>>725040634
Why do you need DDR4 when DDR3 exists?

>>725015290
found the brown

>>725040746
For me, It's DDR Disney Mix.

>>725017217
>new tech scary!!!
imagine being in the 90s and hearing people talk about photoshop this way, because that's exactly what happened back then too

Just download more RAM.

>>725017217
kek AI is making kids dumber than we ever thought possible, absolutely fucking the job market and also making the internet damn near unusable with the amount of bots running around. It's fine though and a net positive because you can jerk off to your AI porn

>>725040937
Photoshop isn't even remotely the same because you have to be somewhat skilled to use it. AI is slop incarnate and factually making people dumber and lazier, not to mention absolutely fucking them over mentally since there are a ton of people that think AI is their little chat buddy and a real person. Not to mention taking what AI says as fact despite it being wrong all the time

>>725041027
I get that you seethe about AI at every chance you get but it hasn't been around long enough to alter a generation.
Get angry about something else in the meantime until that arguement becomes valid

>>725041220
everything you said happened during the inception of photoshop
artists freaked out, called everyone lazy, said computer art was slop, the whole nine
the good artists adapted to a new tool and the bad ones got stepped over
and it will happen again

>>725024479
In my shithole country I'm paid 1000 euros a month. 450 of it goes to rent, 250 goes to groceries and another 200 goes to bills. I'm considered middle class in my country.

>>725015201 (OP)
My rig hasn't been upgraded since fucking 2017. First it was crypto. Then it was AI. I'm still running on a 1050 that was poverty-tier when I bought it and is now worth more than it did back then nearly 10 years later.
I can't do it anymore mang.

>>725041772
Proompting is not being an artist. It's being a commissioner.

>>725042074
In 8 years time you've not saved enough spending money that you can upgrade?
I get that PC parts are expensive as fuck but even 1k over 8 years is saving 125 a year or 10.5 a month.

>>725042626
It's not about the money. It feels like I'm being robbed and I don't like that. I'm not paying an arm and a leg for a fucking vidya machine when I could get a decent one from odd jobs and pocket change when I was a teenager ten years ago. It's just rotten.

>want to get the cheapest option
>forced into RGBshit
I won't even see them as my case is opaque and at my feet but the 0.1 of wattage spent uselessly triggers me

>>725042912
It is, yeah. But it's everywhere, not just a game industry problem.
Easy solution is to stop chasing shiny new graphics.
Gaming is a super cheap hobby for people not focused on the current thing.

>buy 1tb SSD
>make 1TB pagefile
>have 1TB of ram
easy.

>>725015343
To think I felt ripped off buying the same thing for $150 in May, considering I paid 1/3 of that for SODIMMs of same capacity a few months prior. This massive price increase is some real sucker ass bullshit.

Goddamn Korean memory cartel gauging strikes again.

>>725040937
new tech used to make things better, AI has made literally everything worse

>>725043250
I know, I've been playing nothing but half life mods for the better half of the decade but it's still frustrating cause every once in a blue moon something cool and shiny does crop up and I wanna see it
And people saying
>Well that's the way things are. Better keep your head down, haul the big ass stone to the top of the pyramid and don't anger the guards or you'll get lashed
Are not helping anybody. Yeah, I know it's a shitty situation cause everything's turned into an oligopoly with an unelastic market. Sure I'm a being a cunt and not buying shit out of protest but most people aren't that and that's because the
>dude just get more money/ dude just live with less and less
mindset on the posts replying to me killed collective action

>>725043812
>new tech used to make things better
This hasn't been true ever since drive-by-wire.

>>725015707
This is basically because RAM chip producing companies saw the recent dealings for opening like 10 AI datacenters and basically stopped to zero the production of consumer ram and started only producing server grade chips and sticks and for gpus, basically the fact that now ram has become scarce, the providers jacked up prices into oblivion and since stores need to keep the 35% profit margin I think you can do 2+2 at what happened here.

>>725042912
At the end of the day technology is being used more and more, mostly for meaningless shit but this was bound to happen. Inflation and wage stagnation doesn't help since you have less buying power on top of supply and demand increasing the price but that's just where we're at.

>>725043912
>killed collective action
What killed collective action is that the gaming market isn't buying hardware near as much as other markets and collective action from the gaming market would do absolutely nothing to prices. You're wanting to kick dust and expecting it to create a tornado.
Plus nobody is going to stop buying hardware just because the price has gone up along with the price of everything else. Gaming isn't where people are going to draw the line.

My 5700X still good enough for literally everything and this is unlikely to change in the next 5 years

Guess I'll be buying used again when I build a new PC in the coming year, huh.

>>725041220
You need to be somewhat skilled to get decent output from AI too. I've been doing some little projects around home with automation and let the AI write the code for me. Even for a simple 20kb program there was a lot of tard wrangling required and I needed to make use of my very modest coding background to check what it wrote and tell it to unfuck specific mistakes I caught. And even then, I still fed the code into a separate AI and asked if to see if it saw any bugs (it did).

But in the end it took what would've been impossible for me to do myself even with a year of studying and let me finish it in under a week.

Now, yes, I could've just taken its output and written it to an Arduino sight-unseen and burned my house down and then posted on reddit about how AI will never replace humans because I'm a fucking retard. That's the brown path. I'm white though so I used it as a tool instead of a replacement for my brain. I do not get angry at my hammer when I hit my thumb and I don't throw my gamepad when I fuck up on a boss.

Prepare your anus because I'm about to blow your mind: this experience was a direct 1:1 mirror with my experience working with human programmers over my career, except the AI doesn't get bitchy when I caught its mistakes, understands what I mean when I use the wrong terminology, didn't tell me it was leaving for lunch, didn't show up late, and was available at 3 in the morning when I had an idea I wanted to ask it about.

The same thing goes for artists except they're even more emotionally fragile and unwilling to change their art.

AI is a 6/10 human employee, and I mean 6/10 like "slightly above average" not like a game review. People being too in denial or too retarded to see this aren't going to stop the juggernaut, they're the fecaloids the juggernaut is going to grind into a fine paste.

>>725043483
Windows already does that automatically.
You thought there was a safeword and you had to give consent?

>>725015323
My best advice for future PC building would be to always get double the RAM of what should be the standard.

I should get 32GB in 2019, instead I installed additional 16GB at the beginning of this year and I could suddenly multitask in games, or in some cases, actually use max textures without crashing.

>>725020648
>>725021158
I upgraded to 5700X3D and 32GB of RAM at the beginning of this year and I'm pretty confident I'm done for the rest of this generation and skipping AM5 entirely

>>725044974
>Even for a simple 20kb program there was a lot of tard wrangling required and I needed to make use of my very modest coding background to check what it wrote and tell it to unfuck specific mistakes I caught. And even then, I still fed the code into a separate AI and asked if to see if it saw any bugs (it did).

The problem is that what you did as a free hobby is NOT going to get done most of the time, even in crucial areas.

You're working off an assumption that an AI-driven industry will favor people who ship good software. No, it favors clowns who ship barely functional vibe code the fastest.

Fucking Microsoft deploys utterly broken AI-slopped updates now, and they're allegedly one of the leaders in the field.

At its most basic level, all AI does is lower barriers of entry. If you've been paying attention to just about anything in your life, you'd know it's a bad thing to do.

Mexifag here, out of curiosity I went to check how much the RAM I bought costs now, two 16GB sticks of Corsair Vengeance 6000MHz CL30. I bought it on May for $2,285 MX, roughly $115.00 USD, and now it's being sold for $3,412 MX, so around $170.00 USD, and prices were already higher here in Mexico because of importing costs and the sort. This is ridiculous.

>>725045168
pagefile size is limited.

the user can change the size of it.

idiot.

>>725015201 (OP)
That's okay, I can wait.

>>725015323
nice bitcoin miners

>>725015201 (OP)
this is the 4TH FUCKING TIME this century that silicon manufacturers have colluded with price fixing

>>725015323
AI RAM cache for VRAM. Virtual machines.

wht did the prices go up that much? i was thinking about upgrading my AM4 setup but should probably get a 5800X or something, i got 32GB of DDR4 for like $60 a year ago

Web browsers worked fine in mid-00s on machines with 512MB of RAM, and web pages haven't changed that much visually. You're buying extra RAM to support fifty background javascripts that spy on you and not much else. This really is the gayest dystopia.

>>725015707
Comfy UI multi GPU plugin lets you use RAM as a VRAM cache. So 16gb of vram (that needs to flow through your ram first) then another 16gb of RAM cache, plus 8gb for Linux, and you're easily over 24gb of usage. Plus any browsers or any other programs that are open.

>>725047793
Jews are descendants of Jeets which is why they fuck everything up, lie, and are incompetent. Now the jeet and tranny scourge is fucking up open source software. Linux needed 4gb ram a decade ago and now it idles at 8.

>>725047670
AI data centers are buying up existing RAM and manufacturers are pivoting to making memory explicitly for data centers. There's too much demand and not enough stock.

>>725045828
>Microsoft deploys utterly broken AI-slopped updates now,
>update and restart button broken for 7 years
>start menu search broken for 10+ years
>file explorer search is now broken
>preview updates can break your SSD
Jews ruin EVERYTHING they get control of.

>>725048305
>file explorer search is now broken
this shit's been broken in Win 10 from the start. I'm still on Win 10. searching for files has NEVER worked as it should in Win 10. it was already weirdly slow and unreliable in Win 7 actually.

>>725015707
For large LLMs (in terms of open-weight, Deepseek R1 or more recently GLM 4.6 is seeing a lot of use) a heavily quanted model will start at above 100GBs, and 128GB of RAM is much cheaper than lining up old 3090s or 4090s or whatever. GLM 4.6 has very fast prompt processing and the 5tk/s you get for token generation on a high end gaming rig with 128GB VRAM + 16 or 24GB VRAM is entirely usable

>>725048208
>Linux needed 4gb ram a decade ago and now it idles at 8.
my win10 install uses 8 even with steam and discord open, i thought linux was meant to be lightweight comparatively. has it really gotten that bad?

>>725015794
I have 32GB and my PC was constantly on the verge of crashing while editing a short trailer of 1 minute. It is absurd how badly these rograms work nowadays

>>725048647
If you go for ubuntoids then absolutely yes. There are simpler distros with leaner DEs though.

>>725042268
I think the point is, an artist would be able to create better images using a mixture of assistive gen AI tools than a non-artist would using prompting, if they'd just stop crying and shitting them selfs and accept reality

>>725015201 (OP)
when is the AI bubble going to pop?

>>725048885
You don't get it. Just one more trillion and we'll summon the mythical AGI for sure. What, do you want China to do it first?

>>725015201 (OP)
>

>>725048647
Yup. I use GNOME though which is made by the dumbest faggot trannies though. I tried contributing and the dumb faggots would rather posture about how they are a "maintainer" than actually improve it.

Also jeets are shitting out tons of shitty code so they can add it to their resume. Quality is irrelevant. They would rather brag "300 contributions to open source projects!"
>>725048785
I'm using gnome on fedora which is pretty dang basic.
>>725049132
It's really a scam to sell more hardware. A lot like how the aerocivic was made in a guys garage and gets 95mpg, but mega corporations just can't seem to go above 40!

I panic bought some 8800 mhz xmp3.0 ram before and felt dumb.

>>725048885
It's already popping, it'll be slow until there's a brutal shock and everyone gets liquidated. The shorts are already in place.

You know, I have to wonder. 3-4 years ago all these companies started investing a fortune in enormous data centers for AI.
Centers which have been constantly putting millions of GPUs under heavy load. And a GPU under constant heavy load lives about 5 years.
What happens when the grim reaper of statistical lifespan claims all these GPUs and there's still no profit from AI in sight?
Do they just buy again and keep at it?

>>725015438
They use prebuilts, ITX mobos limited to 16gb.
My main desktop has 256gb of Ram. Everything is FAST. Opening apps and documents, streaming, Adobe apps and machines in VirtualBox

>>725046765
You can't change the speed of it to make actual ram tho
tard

>>725050012
Are you kidding?
Chat GPT makes bank on subscriptions and services rendered.
Are you assuming AI is some sort of crypto thing were the AI is used to mine coins for money?
AI is a service, it makes money the same way all services do

>>725051309
Subscriptions are drop in the bucket. Most of those companies operate at a loss.

>>725051169
this

>>725017217
my company recently released a video made by HR (which has been entirely offshored at this point)

The speaker was AI. Voice, actor, everything. billion dollar company is paying Indians to talk to you about your (rapidly shrinking) 401k benefits through an LLM and Sora AI.

This is the future you chose

>>725041540
gf is a teacher. GPT has been around for 3 years ish. Since then her new students can no longer write a single paragraph without the help of an LLM. You have NO idea how bad it is

>>725052765
>gf is a teacher. GPT has been around for 3 years ish. Since then her new students can no longer write a single paragraph without the help of an LLM. You have NO idea how bad it is
You are an obese virgin sitting in your mother's basement. You have no gf, and you haven't seen a person apart from the cashier in months.

Shut the fuck up, animal.

>>725015290
Fpbp

>>725053013
I accept your concession? I don't even know what you're so mad about

>>725051408
>corporate PCs being thrown to the landfill en-masse on a global scale because of W10 end of life
>hundreds of thousands of GPUs will die in just 5 years because they have been put on max load 24/7

The 2020's is the decade of the e-waste.

>worried that usage of AI chatbots for jerkin my shit was going to lead to me using AI for more than just jerkin my shit
>that was in like 2022
>3 years later and i still haven't willingly asked an AI a non-pornographic question
feels good man

>>725053332
The material gets recycled.

>>725053013
My mother is a high school teacher and she has already seen several instances of people using ChatGPT to complete homeworks during class. Not only younger generations are becoming more shameless and stupid, but also way more careless that they can't even pretend that they're doing their homework themselves.

>>725053013
Holy projection, Batman.

>>725015201 (OP)
just get a $500 pc bro it's like a ps5 bro

>>725053704
>ps5
>$500

>>725015201 (OP)
>Paying 500 eurocucks for 64gb to play modern slop
lol
LMAO even

Should I be worried about ssd prices? I've been eyeing a 2tb waiting for black Friday but after seeing what happened to ram I am worried.

>>725053427
But that's the point, perfectly capable machines should not need to be recycled just because they couldn't be upgraded because of Microjeet's arbitrary restrictions, they should have made IoT LTSC available, they should have simply extended W10's life considering how huge of a market the OS still has. It has been almost a month and hundreds of thousands still refuse to move to W11.

>>725051169
im aware dumbass thats why the post was a fucking joke. get memed moron

Can someone just make me a build with Intel and Nvidia for $4k?

I am so swamped with work I am so fatigued to catch up after work with new tech. I just wanna press Buy and put it all together when it comes.
Also fuck overclocking, I am so done with that, did it enough 10 years ago.

Also what's a good Intel mobo brand AND modern PSU (seasonic still good?)

I should head over to /g/ I guess

I gotta deal with a noise in my PC too which I fear is the PSU or an old old old 10k rpm velicoraptor that's probably about to die or vibrate out of its heatsink (2.5" factor in 3.5 heatsink)

>>725057261
https://x.com/i/grok/share/Gx6imuzBlLndMRqq0If3sbG96

>>725057597
>>725057261
>intel
>2025
also lol @ a $250 psu

>>725057597
>>725057929
Also that doesn't even add up to 3,900, can ai still not do basic addition? What the fuck?

>>725015201 (OP)
64GB is still 150$ for me in Europe, we stay winning as usual.

>>725015290
>buy RGB component that's on sale
>install it
>dont use the RGB features
It's really that easy. I typically set mine to a muted grey so it's a light glow but not a gay rainbow.

>>725015745
HOW DID I DO VIDEO EDITING OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS FUCKER? 16GB IS ENOUGH! WE WORKED WITH LESS AND PUT OUT VIDEOS WEEKLY!!!!!

I got 64 gigs of DDR5 back in 2023. Can't remember how much I paid for it.

>>725026129
>hardware company CEO says his stuff will become more valuable in the future
>invest NOW, goy
wow

>>725059631
Jeet coding. Boeing airplanes were falling out of the sky, and they killed 2 whistle-blower, because Jewish executives could save money with $13/hr Indian programmers.

Jeets throw shit code at open source projects so they can add it to their resume.

>>725015323
64 is just taking the current recommended amount and doubling it for future proofing.

>got a 96gb kit back in may
>gave my friend my old 64 gb kit, so he went from 32 to 64
>his brother had the same prebuilt, so he got the old ram sticks and now also has 64 gbs
Damn, we got lucky

>>725059631
4K and 8K video with 16GB? Also like it or not AI is now a part of the professional video editing workflow.

>>725015201 (OP)
You can always stop being poor

>>725062472
True. You can start being Jewish and get paid for being a parasite.

>>725058624
prove it

>>725015201 (OP)
>just checked
>RAM I bought half a year ago for €300 is now €900+
Jesas. This is giving me flashbacks to those 2017 RAM factory floods, when I got my last pc

>>725015201 (OP)
>NPC nigger cattle reads AI generated news and is upset about Jews abusing the market
neck yourself

>>725064085
>pay a bit more for RAM
>don't have to be Serbian

not video games
range and perma ban

>>725065970
Seethe.

>>725015201 (OP)
Damn, in April I bought 32GB RAM for 88$ and now they are 230$

>>725066378
eat shit tourist
learn the board rules then apply again

price hike just before black friday

how convenient

>>725066756
if it goes "on sale" for msrp i'll literally buy it. shit is so fucked lmao

>>725067450
yeah nobody cares what you do

>>725051408
pretty much yeah - a burst in the next 2 years
it will never be profitable

>>725051408
or better reframe it - its a strategic industry, its not an oil or consumer-oriented tech race, its an arms race, it will never make profit from a service or product - but it will gobble up government funding just like weapon manufacturers do

>>725067865
I do, I care.

>>725015201 (OP)
>some imaginary third-world money symbol only third-worlders see
What's that in real money?

>>725015201 (OP)
I lucked out on purchasing 32GB CL30 RAM for ~110€ last year before the price hike, but I never looked at how much M.2 SSD's cost now. Considering getting 2TB SSD soon for data hoarding and cheaper models sell for around 125-150€. Was this price range always the same or did tariffs fuck it up too?

>>725015290
post your desk

>>725048305
My brother in piss, we've be on this path for the last decade, AI isn't the problem. Do I need to remind you of Master Chief Collection? That easy slam-dunk that Microsoft shat out and then spent a decade NOT fixing?

In my experience it's already more competent than at least half of new CS graduates, as I said earlier. If anything, AI is a potential solution, the ONLY solution. Browns and women are the disease and AI is the cure - maybe.