Thread 725109650

He's not wrong but what new game mechanics has Daniel Vavra come up with? At least Obsidian doesn't make open world slop.

I couldn’t even get past the intro this game was so dull

It's so funny seeing these "All the New Vegas people left!!!" retards get BTFO
Seriously, the amount of midwits I've seen saying this without checking for themselves is mind boggling

>>725109650 (OP)
He is no position to talk after his cuck out.

>>725109836
You're a one track mind tard. Daniel Vavra isn't talking about your gay culture war bullshit.

>>725109650 (OP)
new vegas is just ok
i seriously do not understand why it's so highly praised

>>725109650 (OP)

Honestly this is completely fair. If your game is generic these days, it a fucking death sentence to not get noticed.

>>725109650 (OP)
>literal who
>twitter thread
>begs for new mechanic, doesn't offer any ideas

>>725109650 (OP)
It's a double A game?

>>725109762
in charge of what? accounting?

>>725109650 (OP)
And what was his greatest innovation from KCD to KCD2?
Discovering the treasure trove of DEI money and adding niggers and faggots his game?

Obsidian has been doing that before it was cool to be paid to do that.

>>725110034
Josh Sawyer, John Gonzalez, Mark Bremerkamp
Meanwhile some of the people that left the company that you are sucking the cock of went on to make Star Wars Outlaws and Diablo IV
Inform yourself before you make a fool out of yourself

>>725109650 (OP)
>try to innovate on a tried and true formula
NOOOOO THIS ISNT WHAT WE WANTED!! WHY ISNT IT LIKE NEW VEGAS?!!
>try to remain "true" to the roots of the genre of what is tried and true
NOOOOO THIS ISN'T WANT WE WANTED!! WHY ISN'T IT DOING ANYTHING NEW?!!

lel new vegas troons may be the most obnoxious fanbase to exist outside of pokemon tards.

>what was in OW2 that wasn't in older games
Couldn't you say the same about KCD? Scheduling was done in Ultima franchise already, and unless you want to put in "dogshit melee combat" as a bullpoint KCD also has no new mechanics

>>725109964
>>literal who
You're a newfag, or worse, a tendie

>Give me a living, simulated world
KCD didn't do this
>True non-linearity
KCD didn't do this

>>725109650 (OP)
this is pretty bold coming from the creator of gay sex: deliverance 2

>>725109676
crafting save potions and a "hardcore" combat system that can be broken in half with a masterstroke combo.

>>725109650 (OP)
Kingdom Come isn't much of an RPG though. It's imsim medieval Farcry.
Where is the choice and consequence in the main story?

it doesn't introduce anything new? that's their biggest complaint? does every game have to do something new?

>>725110307
This isn't about your gay culture war. Your mind is one track.

>>725110089
struggling with this one
I guess the blacksmithing mini game?

>>725109650 (OP)
Who cares, his words are worthless

>>725109650 (OP)
flaws were neat, needed more though

>>725109894
>>725110406
cope bitch
He lost all respect after that we wuz kangs tier character in kcd2, you should never listen to cuckolds

>>725110410
Really tedious and not that worth doing, alchemy was worth doing but also really fucking tedious. First game getting the perk that let you auto make shit was nice, second game the after midnight perk where you can make more mistakes/skip steps and still be successful are REALLY mandatory

>>725109650 (OP)
>7/10
>shits on

We NEED to bully and otherize people like you more.

>>725109650 (OP)
>Propagandist fighting amongst themselves to see who is the most useful tool
classic

I remember in the first game when you walk around that ship and they had dialogue for every room you walk in to trick people into thinking it's detailed, I dropped it right then and there and honestly at this point baron samedi needs to take these people to hell.

>>725110569
you're the biggest cuckold in this thread

>>725109650 (OP)
>>725109762
>>725110164
Obsidian was never good.
Their best games, FNV and KOTOR 2, are incomplete, buggy pieces of shit. People only like them because of the idea of what they could have been if Obsidian had more resources and time.

>>725109650 (OP)
>all of microsoft's money
I'm sure microsoft is investing billions in obsidian not-live-service games.

>>725109762
Obsidian has multiple teams and the ones who make outerworlds are not just the same guys who made New Vegas, John Gonzales, Chris Avellone, Josh Sawyer, none of those guys worked on outer worlds.

Also the original post is retarded to begin with because he's implying New Vegas was full of innovation or something, which it wasn't.

>>725109650 (OP)
>Give me a living simulated world
>true non linearity
>give me something more than loot boxes etc
Yes, give me a game that never comes out. Every single big name RPG franchise has a game in development RIGHT NOW and it's been well over a decade since the last game and none of them have a fucking release date. I'd rather have a million iterative sequels than a million games that never come out because the designers can't agree on a fucking direction.

>>725109650 (OP)
>the game was boring and unimaginative and im disappointed with it
>7/10

>>725110705
Brandon Adler is the director and worked on NV

KCD2 is exact same shit

>>725110818
It's still a fun RPG

/v/ lied to me
this game isn't woke at all

>>725111026
This is a mod, isn't it?

>>725110894
with how much people shittalk it and call it painfully mediocre you’d think scores would be closer to 4-6 at maximum

>>725110821
Yeah? And?
I don't care about someone who was a low/mid level at the time.

>>725110174
It's not just KCD, new mechanics are rare in general, and I personally think they have very little to do with how much money is thrown at any specific videogame or how performant system it runs on is. Tech was limiting factor only in ancient times when you literally had to ration how many words of text you can stuff into game before it gets too big for media it was supposed to be sold on.
Starting with PS1, consoles and PCs had enough power to do any GAMEPLAY calculations you could ever want. Alas, graphix are more important, so 99% of time this new hardware spends drawing pretty graphix.

>A generation raised on Skyrim think a good RPG is if NPCs have a sleep schedule
Fuck me

Wife
>>725111062
No
The chick on the bar at the acs undisputed claim looks like that
Strangely she's the only one wearing skimpy clothing

first outer worlds wasnt good but it's much better than the sequel. it at least tried to be more open ended with quests. the sequel is just set piece slop with a world designed by parkourers like in awoved

>>725110705
The way the main quest is structured is pretty novel. Name one game in which you can kill pretty much every character and the story is still beatable without it being nonsense mush

im on the second planet and im thoroughly enjoying the game. its the most "rpg" feeling rpg we've gotten in a while.

>>725111134
>crying about zoomies playing open world slop when you also live in the cRPG renaissance

>>725111026
... that's supposed to be a woman?

>the game is good but
Stopped reading, i don't care about butts.

>>725111134
hey now Oblivion had that too as big "feature"

>>725109650 (OP)
who cares what a gay Jew thinks about only of the worst companies in gaming history

>>725111412
>only of the worst
good morning sir

>>725109650 (OP)
Who cares about this gay homo anyways.

>>725111134
you posted the worst example considering the sleep cycle in BG3 completely dispels any immersion and fucks up the way you play the game

>I wonder what the mastermind behind New Vegas has been up to
>Oh...
>Oh dear...
>NVM

>>725111279
Cloister and Preator are way better planets although they have less to do
I admire the devs for not making weapons tiered because it was my most hated part in the first game
Although some weapons are way better than others it's great that I can use whatever I want and still be effective

>>725110705
FNV invented the concept of making an unplayably buggy mess and still somehow being praised by journos.

>>725111504
>Guardians of Middle-Earth is the only link clicked cause anon wanted to find out wtf it is
So, wtf is that?

>>725111456
oh no, I mistyped! what will I ever do!!!!!!

>>725109650 (OP)
I mean he's right in the sense that AAA games have so much money yet are afraid to bring anything really interesting to the table. OW1 was worse than New Vegas in most ways but I've yet to hear anything about OW2 other than the Flaws being kinda neat.

Who cares about Obshidian.
First game was faggoty garbage made by women for women.

>>725111093
/v/ exaggerates criticisms for content

The game would have been so much better if the devs at least tried to make the factions realistic instead of this cartoonish stereotypes we ended up with
I really didn't give a shit about any of them

https://youtu.be/ntEw2JOri6k

The gameplay is good

>>725110491
Flaws were in New Vegas

>>725111617
cared enough to post :)

>>725111617
you'd be shocked how milquetoast the first game is on woke department. it even has male/female instead of body types, thats how dinosaur woke it is compared to the revolting garbage 2 is.

>>725109650 (OP)
>Give me a living, simulated world!

>>725111725
>108 views
Go shill somewhere else, old man.

>>725111814
kek he posted this "ultra modded" shit in the VTMB2 threads too
absolutely desperate

>>725111120
How many mechanics are patented as well. I remember the loading screen minigames from the Sims but nobody else is allowed to do it now

>>725111785
The largest game-spanning side quest in Outer Worlds 1 is setting up a perfect date night for, and these are her accurate character descriptors without hyperbole, an autistic lesbian asexual Indian

>>725111238
I haven't played either but friends of mine tell me the second is more open ended

>>725111932
now put her side by side with inez. and compare personalities too.

>>725111636
im not just talking about feedback from /v/

>>725111932
>lesbian asexual
How the fuck does that work

>>725112058
You are attracted to women romantically as a woman but have no interest in having sex with them.

>>725112058
Simple: words don't have any real meaning anymore. You can use whatever adjectives you want to describe someone because it doesn't matter

>>725109762
>>725110705
>>725110690
Josh Sawyer went out of his way to announce on every social platform possible just how uninvolved he was with The Outer Worlds prior to it's release.

He knew full well it's a piece of shit.

He designed a SINGLE GUN for the first title, and it's the only one that was universally praised for its looks.

>>725112058
She loves women but would never, ever, ever bang one

>>725112221
What gun?

>>725110894
it's an insult, you dont give insults 7/10

>725109650
I don't care to know what game this is and I won't be playing it
looks gay

>>725112351
AK-47

>>725109762
Chris Avellone was the heart of KOTOR and New Vegas

>>725110491
They copied it from Disco Elysium.

>>725109650 (OP)
>Some fuckin' guy shits all over Obsidian, rapes the employees' family members, and eats their fucking pets!

>"It was decent. Not very original though."

>>725112172
What does being "romantically attracted" to someone mean if you don't want to have sex with them

>>725109676
Does a gay sex scene count? Or random blacks in Europa?

>>725109650 (OP)
did he tweet this while laying in bed with his boyfriend after a hard fucking and semen dripping from his anus? god i hope so

>>725109650 (OP)
Why does everything have to break the mold? Why can't a game just do something people like well and be commended for it? Change and innovation for the sake of it isn't necessarily an inherently good thing.

>>725112058
some people like us are born to make the world worse and then die because we can innately understand that we are past the point of no return to walk back what humanity and/or what it destined to be. the best thing you can teach these people is that they don't have to reproduce or work, just play video games and spend someone else's money and don't get in the way of our scams

>>725112612
>Chris Avellone was the heart of KOTOR
Yes
>and New Vegas
Absolutely not. You don't know what you're talking about

>>725112612
Chris Avellone only wrote Cass in New Vegas and then 3/4 of the dlcs

>>725112785
because its what games have been doing for 25 years, just being ok

Ok, but Alpha Protocol is jank kino and I won't be convinced otherwise. There's still nothing quite like it, though the newer desu ex games are similar.

>>725112652
Normalfags think that if you're not horny all the time and can go more than a week without getting into some random gangbang then you're "asexual".

>>725109650 (OP)
Let me guess, not enough jews and black for him?
Bet if that kike made OW2 it would be about holocaust somehow.

>>725109650 (OP)
>Fallout & New Vegas

>>725109650 (OP)
Vavra couldn't even innovate on his own movie game.
They doubled down on what was bad in the first and didn't expand on what was good.
KGD1 had potential but they wasted in in the sequel.

>>725112917
Yes, and people love them. People love these mechanics. They love the world. It's fine to make things people like

>>725109650 (OP)
Westerners can't make action games apart from FPS, and they can't make good FPS if it also has to be an RPG. If they want to improve their output CRPG developers should stick to making turn-based games only.

>>725112612
Only good thing Avellone worked on in New Vegas is Dead Money. Not even in the main game.

>>725112785
It seems only the rpg genre is hit with this innovation stick, going all the way back to when journos complained if they didn't start appealing to console

>>725109676
He created the first good open world RPG game. And he followed it up with a second good open world RPG game.

>>725113178
>RPG
What decisions in KCD change the outcome of the story?

>>725109650 (OP)
I'd be surprised if the Outer Worlds games were more linear than the Kingdom Come games

>>725109650 (OP)
>Daniel Vávra was born in Rychnov nad Kněžnou,[4][5] before moving to Prague.[1][6] He has partial Jewish ancestry.[7]

>>725113227
Killing everyone at the estate in chapter 1

>>725113283
Yes, so he's high IQ and knows what he's talking about.

>>725112891
Tbf I've never seen people remember and discuss all DLCs for any game more than NV. Avellone doesn't have much presence in the base game. But NV as a whole? He defined a lot of it. And yeah, fuck Ulysses but people still remember and discuss him.

>>725113285
Do you get a different ending?

>>725113316
He's low IQ and a puppet to jewish shareholders to niggify and faggify games

>>725113327
So you don't actually want any story outcome, you specifically want a different ending. Should have said so

>>725113323
Oh, fuck off. Only DLC anyone talks about positively is Dead Money and for good reason.
You might as well say that people still talk about the non-binary guy in Dragon Age so he defined a lot of it.
We're talking about good contributions, not bad ones.

Vavra just wants crust busting and adding negroes elsewhere

>>725113371
I'd expect a story outcome to influence the ending, otherwise it's not much of an rpg.

>>725113405
>Dead Money
>one of the most divisive dlcs
All 4 get discussed and referenced all the time. In the 15 years the game has been out its common knowledge there's no consensus on any of the dlc.

>>725113517
That seems highly silly but you can hold whatever opinions you like.
For example, in Witcher 2 the entirety of Act 2 (and also your access to the town in Act 3) changes based on your Act 1 decisions. That to my mind is the greatest example of reactivity in RPGs, and you can still pick whatever ending you want either way

>>725113178
lol
lmao even

>>725109650 (OP)
the meme that a company name somehow means quality or experience has to die. Only humans matter

>>725109650 (OP)
Obsidian is shit. His game is shit. They're all shit.

>>725113608
Ah, so there's multiple endings you can pick in KCD? That's a bit better.

>>725113562
People generally agree Lonesome Road was the worst and Old War Blues the best

>>725109650 (OP)
Bethesdalike games don't really need anything new mechanic-wise
what it needs is properly handcrafted sandboxes with interesting shit to stumble upon

>>725113698
No I was talking about Witcher 2, obviously
In KCD 2 the ending difference is just what kind of character your Henry ends up as

Is it actually Vavra shilling himself here? He seems like the kind of pathetic, self-absorbed fag that would do it.
Would be mad funny if it's actually him.

>>725113854
Oh, so it's like the ending of Dishonored. I wouldn't consider that an RPG.

>>725113787
>Owb the best
OWB is my favorite and I've seen too many people shit on it. Too repetitive, too small, too cringe and reddit humor with extensive dialogue, breaks the game and more reasons I've seen people hate it.

>>725113959
Yeah actually that comparison kinda works, your Henry either ends up rueful for the lives you had to take or just going "fuck it lol"

The graphics style of this game is revolting to me and one of the reasons I can't get into it at all
>The world feels sterile and not lived in.
>There are terminals EVERYWHERE and I feel compelled to read them because maybe I will find a piece of critical information but it's mostly world building. Normally that is fine but it's like every 5 steps there is another terminal to read. Its too much and breaks the flow of gameplay.
>Want to explore but I need to do more of the main quest to go somewhere other than the first planet.
>First planet is hideous pastel-spew. I don't know why Obsidian is obsessed with making everything look like an Easter basket. Instead of the old NV piss filter now we have the new Easter filter.
>Didn't really see any standout perks and from what I've read/heard you don't get enough skill points to level more than 3 skills and it's hard to hit break points between the three. You need to powerlevel one, then your other two lag and you can't use them, then later in the game the two lagging secondary skills are not up to snuff for any checks. So it's like you get one skill check skill.
Really the Easter filter just hurts my eyes and not being able to leave the first world is gonna make me drop it like a rock. It's actively hostile to my senses. The first game was mid and this game is just like... Mid+1. Everyone is saying it's a huge improvement from the first but to me the world, perks, and guns appear just as boring as the first. It's just fun damage go up. It didn't help that everyone talks like they are claptrap. That's for reading my essay remember to like and subscribe.

I never understood why people praised Obsidian for it's writing.

>>725110690
Those aren't their best game by any stretch of the imagination, you fucking faggot.

>>725114141
the standards of videogame writing are low like extremely so like not even airport novel tier brah

>>725109650 (OP)
HOT DANG Vavra being so brutal on spot too I mean he's not wrong though. Obsidian no longer the Obsidian you were once knew, josh sawyer don't even take part in this game for all I know which I don't fucking care because he still think POE is a goat of Obsidian's achievement.

>>725109650 (OP)
Novelty doesn't make a game good.

>>725109650 (OP)
>New mechanics

They made a cool game with a friendship/rivalry mechanic which greatly changed the story and character realationships that no other game bothered to use before or since.

>>725114292
Except that it does. Novelty is positive.

>>725114196
It's the old cycle
>try to become novelist
>can't make it as a novelist
>try to become movie script writer instead
>can't make it as a movie script writer
>try to become writer for video games instead
>can't make it as a video game writer
>become video game journalist

>>725111932
She was also a daddy's girl with alcohol related trauma that immediately stopped talking about her father and went to a bar when she met the first space woman she came across.

>>725109650 (OP)
Anybody who can innovate was ousted long, long ago. Modern worker drones don't innovate, they make what they've been shown to make, and that's it. You want innovation, it's not going to be in AAA or AA titles.

>>725114312
Literally just a copy of the Mass Effect dialogue system.

>>725112652
Having no libido has somehow become a personality trait instead of a medical condition/symptom. Kinda like deaf people that get uppity about people (children primarily) having their hearing fixed.

>>725109650 (OP)
Can anyone name a single thing that Kingdom come did that wasn't already in a Bethesda game?

>>725114312
Same reason why no other game since Witcher 2 has had as much branching content. BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FUCKING HARD TO CONVINCE YOUR PROJECT LEAD TO GREEN LIGHT BASICALLY A WHOLE GAMES WORTH OF MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE CONTENT! Seriously, if you played all of Alpha Protocols branches in sequence, the game would be 3 times as long. And how many players have actually seen even just one full playthrough. Yeah, exactly. 10% at best. That's also why you can be the archmage, the listener, the leader of the thieves guild and the companions at the same time. Mutually exclusive content makes every single exec leave the room screaming.

>>725114553
Do it isn't you clown, you can't start a friendship with Saren and team up with him or a rivalry that triggers him into attacking you or anything like that.

>>725112221
You know what's ironic about his involvement in Outer Worlds 1. The one single gun he worked on is the only gun design that I actually liked. The rest were so bland

>>725114329
Wrong. Lots of "novel" ideas haven't been tried because they're shit ideas, and even if a game has one good novel feature it's entirely possible for the rest of the game to suck.

>>725112351
The hunting rifle that looks like an old school elephant gun

>>725114817
You can with Wrex and several other NPCs, you can do this in their Fallout games too. I know you like the thing, and that's OK, but liking a thing doesn't mean it's special or new.

>>725109762
>still in charge
What a dumb fucking cunt this guy is. Games aren't made by managers. They are made by Tom the white software engineer who really has a passion for heavy metal and programming. What a fucking idiot, a total fucking retard.

>>725114739
this can be fixed with ng+ content, like veteran background in alpha protocol. it's weird outer worlds has nothing like this.

Sorry I don't care about the opinion of a man that sold out to DEI and made Henry BI+ added an uppity monkey that does nothing but lecture you about how much better his cannibal kingdom is.

>>725109762
This is true, but at the same time, those who worked on New Vegas are not involved in TOW2, but rather in a completely new game; Sawyer and Gonzalez are working on a BG wannabe. This is more of a project by the new guys. And to be honest, it's not even bad; as an ARPG, it better than most of the new ones. Another thing is that the more artistic side of it is a bit off-putting, but the mechanics themselves are quite good

>>725115040
>Sawyer and Gonzalez are working on a BG wannabe
Source that it's a BG wannabe? I've known they've been working on something, but I didn't know we had any clues as to what.

>>725109650 (OP)
Jewish cuck niggerlover has an opinion, more news at 10.
Also Outer Worlds will never be a franchise and much less a household name, ever, no matter how hard they try.

>>725112221
Sawyer just didn't want to answer OW questions. He doesn't hate the game or anything, lmao.

I think they fucked up by not involving him in at least weapon design and balancing, but he had been vocal about hating tiered weapons (he used Cyberpunk as an example, which is a game he overall likes). Plus, he was probably focused on Deadfire.

Wonder what he's working on now.

>>725109762
I'm surprised someone can say this with a straight face after 20 years of
>From the guy who produced [GAME]
falling flat on it's face.
Maybe the entire world is wrong and Daniel Vavra is right. Maybe Gollop, Kojima, Molyneux, and Inafune are the real geniuses and we just failed to appreciate their stellar works after they went indie.

>>725109762
>no John Gonzalez
>no Eric Fenstermaker
>no Travis Stout
>Josh Sawyer wasnt involved in OW2
>no Avellone

those were key 5 people who were in charge of the narrative and design in NV
So who does that kike Vavra think is still there?

This is whay you never listen to kikes, jews alway lie, even about smallest things.

>>725111813
I think this phenomenon originated in the United States and is now spreading, and the cause must be the epidemic of “manchildren.”
Basically, guys turn their noses up at anything that doesn't seem serious or sophisticated enough for them. A silly adventure about a guy who dresses up as a bat to fight crime has to have psychological nuances and drama or other crap like that, which when you think about it, is completely ridiculous.

>>725109650 (OP)
shut up jew

>>725111706
i had similar problem with Kings from FNV, what a retarded idea for a "gang"

who's Daniel Vavra? is this him?

>>725109650 (OP)
based. obsidian was never good.

>>725115372
A lying jew here to retell you your history from a modern perspective. Thats who he is.

Finished. 7/10. But what I find sad is that the company and the people who gave us one of my favorite games ever (Super Turbo & Alpha 2) have been unable, even after 15 years and with all of Sony's money and latest technological advances, to come up with a single new game mechanic that could take this proven but ancient formula somewhere new. Can any of you think of a single new game mechanic in Street Fighter 6 that wasn't already in Guilty Gear or the original Street Fighters more than 25 years ago? Unfortunately, I can't. Give me a living, simulated fight! True non-2D! Give me something more than parries, EX moves, character select and loading screens in a static scripted world.

>>725111323
not even vidya butts?

>>725115531
based

>>725109676
Fast travel was interesting
learning to read and the potion crafting
the hardcore mode and using stars and npcs for directions

>>725112652
As best I can tell, they want the emotional closeness, sense of obligation, and exclusivity reserved for romantic relationships without the sex. This is because they're traumatized, never had a good relationship modeled to them by their parents, or their libido is being cratered by their medications / birth control and they're not self-aware enough to wean off of them first.

The second layer of the asexuality rabbit hole are "sex-positive asexuals." A category of people who claim to exist.

>>725110304
>>Give me a living, simulated world
Yes main story is linear but KCD has one of the most lived in world.
You have to wait outside for shops to open up.
and you can catch npcs eating their breakfast before going to work

>>725109650 (OP)
What has Vavra added that other Rpgs didnt do before?

>>725115372
>Posted fake quote award

>>725115904
Or they just genuinely don't like sex. Many autists are supposedly like this, they hate the physical sensations involved.

>>725109650 (OP)
Is that the medieval gay guy? Burn him at the stake.

>>725116103
Quality and immersion since morrowind

>>725112652
Anon, you will found out the meaning of this when you get older and your sexual drive pretty much plummets with age that there is more to love than just sex, sex is a big part of it, but still a part of a whole

>>725116235
That's not a game mechanic

>>725114405
She was also a carbon copy of Kaylee from Firefly, but brown and gay. Ashley Burch even does a half-assed impression of Jewel Staite the whole time.

>>725115531
Retarded, OW2 is legit dated technically and design wise.
While its not as bad as in AW2, having loading screens when you open doors is still a fucking misunderstanding, like in starfield, fucking 4 loading screens to get anywhere on another planet.

>>725109762
The true redpill is that those aren't the same people anymore.

I could play fallout 3 / nv with new stories until I died. "Innovation" only made things worse

>>725116150
>Posted fake quote
>literally what happens in game
honk-honk motherfucker

Do you think Vavra is pissed because Pentiment was getting all the respect among historians and not his game

>>725116351
I think the devil is in the details.
There are a lot of small things that can be used to your advantage, but there isn’t a big tutorial for them.
For example, NPC sleep schedules can be exploited, your attire affects how you are treated, and there are other small things like washing that I’m forgetting because it’s been a while since my last KCD1 playthrough.
and
>>725115847

>>725115904
>emotional closeness, sense of obligation,
Isnt that just having a friend? Arent close friends just people you love but dont have sexual interest in?

>>725117020
A lot of people specially women don't have any real friends

Josh sawyer needs to stop being such a fucking faggot and man the fuck up and direct the next big AAA game at obsidian. He's probably the only competent director at obsidian.

Vavra is a jew sellout. He let Embracer Group put niggers and gay sex in his game.

>>725109762
>bbbbut the heckin janny is the same one!!!

>>725112058
I'd consider myself gay asexual. I jack to gay stuff and I'm attracted to men, but I don't want to actually have sex with them (or women). I'm just not interested in sexual relations with another person at all, it doesn't mean I totally lack a libido.
I think the best analogy I've come up with is that you might like the smell of a candle, but if you actually think about eating it you know it'd be disgusting.

>>725109650 (OP)
Go prep your arab bull Vavra.

>>725117020
No?

>>725117101
Nah he should make smaller games

making big games that are good is extremely hard

>>725112221
what gun? which weapon is it? I didn't see anyone talk about this before not even in rpgcodex nor nma

>>725117167
>arab
>bull

>>725117179
Whats the difference?

>>725109650 (OP)
>Give me a living simulated world
S.t.a.l.k.e.r did that in the early 2000s with alife (before it was toned down for release)

>>725114184
Exactly, avowed was their best game

>>725115982
>You have to wait outside for shops to open up.
Fucking gothic 2 did that, in 2002

>>725117020
Clearly not or else polygamy would be more common but it’s not. There’s nothing weird about having several friends, but having more than one lover detracts from the romance.

Finished. 7/10. But what I find sad is that the company and the people who gave us one of my favorite games ever (DOS2 & Dragon Commander) have been unable, even after 15 years and with all of China's money and latest thefts of intellectual property, to come up with a single new game mechanic that could take this proven but ancient formula somewhere new. Can any of you think of a single new game mechanic in Baldur's Gate 3 that wasn't already in Katawa Shoujo or the original Baldur's Gate more than 25 years ago? Unfortunately, I can't. Give me a living, goblin girlfriend! True bear fucking! Give me something more than elves, half elves, dwarves, gnomes and halflings in a static scripted Lower City.

>>725117257
There is an inherent closeness that even friends can’t offer you compared to a lover. It’s why most people only have one lover. The exclusivity is special

>>725117223
based and redpilled
Making an AAA game means you have to rely on the soulless ant workers.

Pick the director for your WRPG

>>725109650 (OP)
I don't want to hear from this actual, unironic grifter again

>>725117937
Sawyer

>>725109650 (OP)
Lot of a complaints for a guy who bitched out with his own game.

>>725117937
for me it's swen

>>725109676
True. He made another rpg where everything is decided by behind the scenes simulated dice roles. Not bad but Not exactly revolutionary either

>>725113227
He's talking about Mafia you secondary mouthbreather

>>725117148
so you have a porn addiction

>>725110593
7/10 is a bad score, you're objectively stupid for not understanding why that is the case.

>>725109650 (OP)
>All of Microsoft's money
brainlet take. big corpos buy you for market value. that's it. they tell you constantly to do more with less so they can give your profits to (((da shaerholdaz)))

>>725117937
>Todd is the most successful RPG designer of all time

>>725109650 (OP)
7 seems generous.

>>725114553
wrong

>>725114986
you haven't played any of the games you're talking about

>>725109650 (OP)
I must have missed all these Fallout/Deus Ex clones that Daniel has become bored of their design

>>725118505
Agreed. Your IQ do seem a fair bit lower than 7.

>>725118308
Realistically most games are 5/10s. Good games are 6-7s, Great games should be 8-9 and rare. 10/10 are legitimate close to flawless titles and the amount of those you can count on your fingers

>>725118703
I think 10/10 has to be a personal thing
because only very simple games can be flawless

Something like a AAA games isn't even close to be being flawless

>>725118815
>I think 10/10 has to be a personal thing
I think most ratings should be.

>>725117937
can i force them to not work on the story? if so, i'll pick swen

>>725109650 (OP)
>give me a living, simulated world
>true non-linearity
just play dwarf fortress you fag

>>725109650 (OP)
>give me curated non-linearity
this retarded kike is the founder of a large studio, supposedly works as a writer, and yet speaks like a teenager who hasn't even tried making a VN

>>725109650 (OP)
>somewhere new
FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF
No, how about you do a fucking normal RPG with a fucking normal story with fucking normal game mechanics. None of this bullshit for women cooking mini games. None of this bullshit melodrama with snarky women who need no man but for some reason need to remind you about it. Fuck off! Make a game with a story from someone that doesn't have TDS or secret male rape fantasies.

>>725118909
i think you can say something like
Dishonored, Max Payne 1 and Sekiro are objectively 9 or at least 8

>>725109676
the crime and punishment system is great, I know rdr2 was similar but very barebones compared to kcd2

>>725117148
that's not a sexual orientation you have a problem

>>725109913
From what I've seen compared to other games in the genre, New Vegas allows a lot more player choice and role play options.

Also, the major and minor factions, as flawed as they may be, are genuinely interesting. They aren't isolated either, and how you interact with one affects what happens to everyone in the Mojave.

>>725118308
>70 out of 100
>bad score
>calls others objetively stupid
if you keep projecting this much you'll start throwing hadoukens anon

>>725109894
Lefftist insisted on everything being political. Sucks when you clowns are held to the same standard, huh?
Vavra is a cocksucking kneebending coward, and his stuff is no better than the garbage Shitsidian shits out.

>I NEED MOOOOOAAARRR MOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Daniel is a fag who should develop his own game.

I don't want "innovation" I want deeper gameplay. More quests, more perks, more skills and deeper dialogue trees. I want to really sink my teeth in to a big RPG. All Obsidian does is bite sized snacks.

>>725119094
What use those ratings are? I dropped Dishonored because I'm just not really a stealth gamer, I guess. Max Payne 1 I've completed several times, but lategame enemies can take entire magazines of Beretta bullets in the head and live and I can see how that can be frustrated for some people. I didn't play Sekiro but I can't imagine having a fun time with a parry game, my reaction times just aren't good.

>>725117937
I'm picking the chad to be the director for my wrpg

Yeah but Vavra's "game innovation" was saying loudly that blacks weren't in Bohemia and then taking a Jew Bag to add blacks and a shit ton of gays to his next game

>>725109650 (OP)
And he didn’t even mention the cosmic level of cringe in TOWs

>>725111209
>2 different dialogue options which both mean the exact same thing
This needs to stop. The people who do this need to be stopped.

>>725119228
>they are the bad guys!
>we are the good guys!
retard you are all in the same side, the poor people side
and before you reply, if you or anybody on your family ever had to work for money, you belong to the poor class

>>725119429
These games are made by people who hate RPGs and don't get the people who play them.

>>725109676
having to pay attention to the quest to not fuck it up instead of brainlessly following the marker point to automatically update the mission log.

>>725113787
which was different when all the DLC was originally released, which had Dead Money as the worst, I guess, started picking apart Ulysses' points and figured out he didn't make much sense

>>725118308
7/10 average brainlet

The emergence of full voice acting in cRPGs led to alternate dialogue "choices" resulting in the same dialogue. That's why a lot of cRPG enthusiasts vocally say that full voice acting isn't necessary. What they forget is that cRPG devs themselves have gotten lazy as fuck and they'll just have the same railroading just without the voicework nowadays.

>>725119650
>pay attention to the quest
Real life isn't this abstract as the riddles "immersive" quests end up being.

>>725112706
>Or random blacks in Europa
Yes, let's deny historic events :^)

>>725119517
>leftytranny gets triggered enough to whip out his list of shill talking points
Thank god you retards are so fucking stupid. Congratulations, your pretense of being non partisan is now gone for all to see.

>>725110705
It's because Chris is not an asexual automaton like most of the game devs nowadays. He's a real motherfucking dog and a booze hound. That passion comes through from his writing.

>>725119774
Historic events, like Sigismund hating Muslims and not having one (especially a black one) in his court?
Those historic events?

>>725119650
fucking Avowed has more innovative quest design than his games anon.

>>725111932
>autistic lesbian asexual Indian
Following the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles way of increasingly absurd descriptors, lol

>>725119774
holocaust didn't happen but it should have

>>725109650 (OP)
This >>725109676
The game is shit, but are we really going to pretend that KCD isn't just a poor mans TES with a focus on copying CDPRs cinematic focus?

>>725109676
>He's not wrong but what new game mechanics has Daniel Vavra come up with
High intensity gay sex.

I think OW2 a much better RPG than fallout 4

The game didn't need new mechanics, it needed interesting and well designed characters.

>>725109650 (OP)
>Daniel Vavra
who?

>>725119517
The same side? How about you prove it by taking your stinking paws off the toys first

>Vavra jew talks about game mechanics
Can anyone think of a single game mechanic that was in KCD 1 & 2?

Mansu Mufasa doesn't count.

>>725120168
Read the thread faggot.

>>725120151
Gay man who fought hard to add gay sex to KCD 2. Loves turning straights into homos, especially when they are real historical straight people.

>>725109650 (OP)
>limited skill points (can only max out 3 skills)
>limited skill interaction/usage
>open downsides to not using certain skills (speech/leadership for example)
>combat skills/perks almost useless (guns/melee are trap skills, perks either force a playstyle or are useless dump perks)
>limited resource/enounters (no respawn = no fear of 'running out' of healing/ammo/thrown)
>binary routes for companions
>ineffective upgrades/perks for companions
>dogshit AI for enemies + companions
>unique armors spread out but relatively specialized, resulting in armors with effects you want possibly coming over halfway through the game
>dialogue got slightly better, but story is still on rails
>dramatically empty maps that 'look good'
>entire game feels like you're supposed to be playing an isometric but had a seizure and got trapped in a first person fallout clone
I genuinely wish for this company to go bankrupt.

>>725120151
Guy that wants to act like he makes roleplaying games like the big boys and not action games with more steps

At least the game is much better than Avowed

>>725111504
Shadow of Mordor had that kino mechanic of orcs who kill you getting a rank up and becoming nemeses that were mini-bosses. It was a good game but a bit Ubisofty with tower climbing shit but overall fresh enough at the time to still be fun.

>>725120115
>I think bloody diarrhea is a much better RPG than purulent vomit

>>725112891
You know, Chris Avellone was the guy who said the stuff like Bastila's fade to black romance thing was too much. And then Cass ends up banging some random dude while looking for you in New Vegas. It really was intentional, I can believe it.

>>725120151
a gay jew who pretends to be a game developer and ran a decent grift about a year ago

>>725110705
>Chris Avellone
Why does it seem like everything obsidian makes is so damn bland after he left? I know it's not down to one person but the shift to dull grey was so apparent.

Why do a lot of modern RPGs fail the immersion aspect so much? What was the magic older RPGs had that made them feel like an actual world?

>>725112652
They want to be a couple of 90 year old dykes, but at 20.
Why? Who knows, and honestly who cares about the things retards do.

I want to open another debate, Shouldn't he have kept quiet? After all, they are colleagues in the same industry. Imagine if all developers started criticizing each other's work.

>>725109762
He's right. Leonard Boyarsky and Tim Cain (creators of Fallout 1) both directed Outer Worlds.

>>725121227
KCD2 just came out

>>725121227
Too much bloat. Levels are way too busy with tons of non-interactable props and random colors. Sound and music is also way too bombastic and busy.

>>725121227
Because they're more about political grandstanding with the writer's pet characters than a choose your own adventure with a world that respects your agency as a player and allowing you to make "wrong" choices. It's like having a D&D campaign where the DM railroads the story no matter what you do.

>>725121445
And it sucked dick lmao.
All the dicks, in fact. It sucked and gagged on them.

>>725121686
You didn't play the game.... and here you are complaining about the immersion

I found The Outer Worlds to be a very bland but ok game.

The sequel is much better

>>725109650 (OP)
Based

>>725121445
is vavra still paying shills or are you really just that much a faggot to do it for free?

>>725121763
I am not that anon, I am just a third party reminding you that that game sucked.

>>725121763
I don't want my video game to remind me it was made in the 2020s, thanks! This game will age like milk just like every other piece of media that dates itself with modern day bullshit.

>>725121646
Say what you will about Jeremy Soule but he at least seemed to understand when music should be understated and when it should be vivacious.

>>725119969
>$.02 has been deposited into your account

>puts blacks and open fags in his super duper historically accurate setting
Who gives a fuck what this cuck has to say about literally anything?

>>725122109
>Say what you will about Jeremy Soule
Ok. I will say that he never understood when music should be understated and when it should be vivacious.

Isn't this the guy that raped his IP for blackrock money?

>>725122180
I disagree.

>>725121445
what makes kcd an rpg?

Let me know when he explains his claim that every time anyone had sex in the medieval times there would be people watching

>>725121227
>>725121670
>>725116175
>>725111706
I really hated The Outer Worlds because everyone you meet, literally, 100% of them, is some manner of bizarre autistic retard preaching or parodying something
I suspect that this utterly kills a setting. Fallout has tons of characters like that, but Fallout also always has absolutely normalfag factions like Junktown, Shady Sands, the NCR, Rivet City and the Minutemen so that your brain can intuit "Okay this world can work because it has a critical mass of relatively boring and competent people"

That even if they're not exciting, you need dickheads like that as narrative mortar or else you get a kind of uncanny valley where you're constantly subconsciously wondering how the fuck anyone is even still alive if literally the entire population constantly acts like an Alice in Wonderland character

>>725122172
He's a subversive small hat compulsive liar. But obsidian cant make a game that doesn't feel 30 years old and created for toddlers.

>Jeremy Soule can't do understated music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTDdfn5PuwE

>>725122338
It's not that they're Alice in Wonderland characters, it's that they're Millennial caricatures of Alice in Wonderland characters without any nuance, diversity (the real kind) and depth. Writers used to be able to write all sorts of characters even ones they disagree with morally without making it obvious what the writer's real opinion. What we get instead is cast of quirky theater kids (good guys, can't kill, they're great!) and evil bad guys (they're evil and stupid, kill them).

>play Kotor2
>best Star Wars game with better lore and nuance than any dogshit canon Lucas made after EP6
>mfw Obsidian now

>>725122172
he's the authority on juvenile sodomy, strong women, and niggers named gary stuvonteus

>>725119129
what's the problem

>>725122338
You bring up a good point, RPGs need to have that grounded layer of normalcy that offsets the wacky shit you and other major characters get into.

>>725122238
Dice roll combat hidden behind action kino

>>725117937
I'm going with Styg.

>>725113227
Mass Effect 3 is my favorite RPG.

>>725109650 (OP)
>7/10
So not worth playing even for free.

>>725117937
None of those retards.

>>725118703
1-10 grading system sire based off the US education system where you need a 70% to pass at bare minimum.

>>725123017
Different endings are one of the cornerstones of great rpgs anon. Has been since Fallout 1. That’s also why everyone was pissed at Mass Effect 3’s superficial shit.

>>725122002
Then you also suck a lot of dick

>>725122032
Sure sure.
You can probably find some shitty things in morrowind as well but old good new bad.

>>725121938
>WHY DO YOU LIKE THE GAME I DON'T LIKE BECAUSE OF MUH CULTURE WAR

>>725118703
In a world where we pay money for things, 5 is a failing grade because it means it's not noteworthy, you could even say it's a game that gets things 50% right. 5 is not "average", it's actually 50% good and amazingly this system scales to star ratings as well, with 2.5 stars not meaning average, but half bad.

>>725122861
So it’s a good JRPG
not a good WRPG

>>725122338
The Outer Worlds is literally inspired by Futurama so much that the devs admitted it’s basically ripping it off at some points. So you basically have to assume the universe runs on cartoon logic or the wacky characters act mostly normal when you’re not around.

>>725123542
You can always tell when you're talking to a brainrotted zoomer because they're incapable of understanding what media without messaging looks like. "You can probably find things in Morrowind" -- actually you can probably not and anything you do find is an outlier in a side quest and NOT THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME. I can only assume you have this opinion because you haven't actually experienced anything made before the year 2000 and only give Twitch approved second-hand opinions justifying why you should buy MODERN GAME (it was always this bad goy).

>>725123713
Yeah Morrowind is my favorite game made before the year 2000

>>725123776
That's not my point and that's definitely not your point.

>>725112864
I wouldn't call Chris the heart of New Vegas, but he was the main man for most of the DLC both in terms of writing and directing. I think Honest Hearts is the only one he didn't direct, but even then I'm pretty sure he was involved to some degree. So, he was definitely ONE of the most important people involved with New Vegas since the DLC are at least half the game.

>>725123713
>erm only in side quests okay....
>NOT THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.
You can play KCD 2 for 80 hours and not see any of that but sure
you are just a seething boomer who wants to hate new games because they are new.

>>725123957
Pretty sure the immersion breaking niggers are right there in your face same with the fags. I see less fags in real life than I see in KCD 2.

>>725123542
Cry harder, retard. That will show us lmao
Man, imagine coming to a place you hate just to be ridiculed and laughed at by people that enjoy making you miserable

>>725122338
There were normal characters here and there, sporadically in both Outer Worlds games but I see what you mean. Vicar Max, Parvati, Tristan, some characters act sort of mostly normal and not caricatures

I'm definitely not listening to what a faggot blackrockcocksucking grifter moron has to say

>>725109762
yeah man, key people involved in developing New Vegas are still there like Sharon from marketing and Bill the IT guy, it's pretty much the exact same team

>>725111257
Larian has been doing it that for quite a while in their games.
Even New Vegas did it.

It's not done often but it's not a new thing.

>>725115131
That's not true. If they tried hard enough to make an actual blockbuster game people love and talk about for ages + mod the shit out of it would be. But they just don't have the brains in that studio to make something with staying power beyond FOTM sexual idpol.

>>725123654
>futurama but without actually memorable jokes, occassional horniness or any sort of edge
yuck

>>725124231
>coomer can't go one sentence without revealing the only thing he cares about in games

>>725124029
Like i said you can play it for 80 hours and not see any niggers, but new bad.
> I see less fags in real life than I see in KCD 2.
You don't have mirrors in your house ?

>>725124071
>The fag who came here to seethe about this game is talking about being miserable.

>>725124132
Vicar Max genuinely felt like he was from another game, it was kind of surreal meeting him in the first town after everyone else was basically a walking caricature of a company town worker from 1895

>>725124294
I'll just like not buy those games :)
You can serve me dinner and tell me there's only a tiny dollop of shit in it and I'll not eat it and I won't pay for it. Have fun with your slop though!

>>725111932
Lol I encouraged this retarded cunt to go on a date with her lesbo crush and then I put a bullet in her. Many keks were had

https://youtu.be/wFm_VmNkrdQ?si=zRqilVjfG8x7_6TO
https://youtu.be/NRoJetcf6B8?si=xKXKF-s87z6nSmsK

>>725124179
The director and main writer are all still there. You know, the key people.

>>725115310
Someone's jealous he ain't got flair that make ladies swoon.

>>725124408
>No I don’t wanna play games, I just wanna complain.

>>725124269
>why would you want memorable jokes in a quirky setting
found the writer

>>725124269
>retarderd disingenuous shill grasps at straws trying to fit in with some angle his handler told him to use
Pic related used the be the standard until you imbecile outsiders started coming here uninvited. Fuck off and poo in fucking loo already, stupid pajeet shill.

>>725121017
Many can say a lot about Avellone but he can actually write.

>>725124269
>ignores the rest of my post because he's afraid of his own urges

>>725124512
>No I don't want to demand high quality games, I just wanna consume slop

>>725117937
Swen because he uses his autism for good.

>>725124512
>do nothing and they go bankrupt
Uh oh I win again.

>>725118702
How dare you reply to me?

>>725124558
>STOP SUGGESTING ME WHAT I ASKED FOR, LET ME COMPLAIN!!

>>725124607
>bankrupt
You mean expanding the studio?

>>725124198
>Even New Vegas did it.
I know the question was about what new vegas did that was novel

>>725124686
Why are you complaining about people complaining? Do you believe they don't have a point, do you admit that these games actually do have dollops of shit and you pay for it anyways? Or do you believe these games are actually great and don't have terrible writing?

>>725124752
Your seething replies shows your insecurity.

/v/ talks a lot of shit but won't beat the shit out of vavra with a lead pipe. You need to step up.

>>725117937
Can I choose Morrowind era Todd when he wasn't running three studios and not on the ground having shouting matches with other devs over shit like how high a werewolf can jump?

>>725121227
None of them want to deal with the mess of planning out all these different contingencies depending on the players action (what if the player decides to randomly kill this NPC at this moment in the quest line), so they don't even try. Reactivity is too difficult.

>>725109650 (OP)
>his two "favorite games ever" fit his complaint perfectly
what's this dude smoking

>>725125045
It's not difficult they're lazy and they don't put value into it because they're frankly people who don't like playing RPGs and would rather be making a Call of Duty game.

>>725125065
Desperation for engagement.

>>725125045
Outer Worlds 2 has this exact reactivity though

>>725109650 (OP)
Vavra is a spineless grifter.
>>725119228
>Lefftist insisted on everything being political.
This.
You made your bed.

>>725115982
>You have to wait outside for shops to open up.
>and you can catch npcs eating their breakfast before going to work
This is such a ridiculously low bar that I believe you have never played an open world rpg before

>>725109650 (OP)
KCD is just TES with survival mods and no fantasy elements, AKA boring. Tell Vavra to stop stealing crumbs off Todds table before he makes posts like this

>>725122338
>>725124370
TOW’s character writing being bizarre is intentional. There is an entire story arc involving a guy on Monarch who runs an actually reasonable corporation and he’s the only normal person on the whole planet who actually acts like a real person, the joke being that he’s the one straight man you meet in a literal universe of insane people is supposed to highlight what a competent corporation would look like when they’re not comically evil

>>725123654
Playing OW2 as an idiot space ranger has been absolutely hilarious. You can go full Zapp Brannigan.

Can anyone explain when being able to hit a mug off the table or an npc having a timetable was the most important thing in a roleplaying game and not all the different ways you could complete a quest

>>725125414
I get that it's an intentional writing style, I don't think you could accidentally write like that but I guess it just didn't resonate with me at all.

>>725119518
I first saw this while playing Fallout: London. But more than that it was 2 different ways of saying goodbye and leave the conversation. Just like in this screenshot. I genuinely don't understand because you would think people making a paid game's worth of content for patreon donations wouldn't hate RPGs and their audience.

>>725123713
Crassius Curio is literally a main quest character. Way to out yourself as a retarded /pol/ tourist.

>>725109650 (OP)
>Obsidian made two good games: KotOR 2 and Stick of Truth
>Vavra is still looking for his first

No way we have legit OW2 fags on /v/.

>>725124793
>Why do you care I am obnoxious fag


>Thread is nothing but fags seething about kcd
>No you are seething

>>725125913
You still don't even get the point because you can't figure out the difference of a creepy man and a Trump stand-in. But it's okay, you're either dumb or willfully disingenuous about the political political propaganda (because you agree with it).

>>725125687
It is a hint of soul. If the devs cared about such insignificant details, they cared about the game. If they didn't bother to even match the standards from 14 years, it is probably a soulless, by committee corporate product, outsourced to Bangalore for 300k vertex cup assets,and written by the cheapest clown they could get their hands on, which usually is the dangerhair roastie that also happens to suck a mean dick. That is how she got the job, after all.

>>725120194
I read the thread after making this post. Have not had one innovative game mechanic. At most he stole RDR2's law & justice system then iterated upon it like a jew would. Now I'll get back to replying to posts halfway through the thread and then actually reading it.

>>725110690
New Vegas is still accredited as one of the best games of all time despite being unfinished.

>>725125818
It's the lack of care of craftmanship and attention to detail. This is different from AAA games though which should have dedicated teams ensuring their interactions are fleshed out and use their stats and skills in a satisfying way.

>>725126127
I’d rather have more ways to roleplay than style over substance

>>725125687
It's just all of the children who grew up with Skyrim on Xbox now think that's what an RPG is.

>>725124294
The entire thread is shitting on your garbage game lmao.
You will never have a real job, shill. And now that AI is replacing you, you better be ready to sell your holes on the street for a living

>>725109836
Sure he is. KCD 2 even with mansa musa isn't as bad as Obsidian's last couple of tries. Vavra of course has his own fucking problems and should focus on his own games.

>>725110174
Obsidian has been moving BACKWARDS in features. Many of the big teams are. AC shadows had no social stealth, for a goddam kunochi game.

Even being able to make a historical minded elder scrolls is an accomplishment. But he did add SOME shit, like the way crime works, and being able to talk your way out of shit.

>>725126181
>finished Obsidian game
>ever
Just imagine. Somewhere in parallel world all their game were finished and true vision was delivered.

>>725125687
Because RPGs are about roleplaying and not walking simulations living out some writer's daddy issues. And if they thought enough about an NPC to figure out their schedule and the friends they talk to after work, maybe they cared enough to write them like a real person too making you forget for just a moment shitty reality and instead feel like you're there with them.

>>725125687
>Immersion
If I am not buying into the story I might as well play with a LLM because then story potential is infinite.

>>725126261
>too dense or deliberately oblivious to get the point
You paid marketers are so fucking tiresome

>>725126261
Well you're in luck because programmers aren't the writers!

>>725126170
See
>>725116791

>>725110569
Eh, I only dropped him to big corpo slopper. He's not Ubisoft level.

>>725110593
One dev to another in public? that's a pretty big hit.

>>725110690
Their current shit is worse than FNV and the KOTORS.

>>725125687
Because it shows the player through subtle behaviors that the world they are moving around in is "real" so to speak. Being able to hit something and have it fly off a table or sway in response to being hit gives a physicality to the setting that other games would lack while NPC behaviors make it feel like the game doesn't explicitly revolve around you and needing you to be there for things to happen. Obviously there are degrees to this, a big open world game that let you fully destroy objects or fling around everything willy nilly would invariably collapse under the weight of its own calculations since it'd have to account for every object in the game world while having NPC behaviors be too realistic might cause a game to accidentally lock a player out of playing it.

>>725126127
Clearly Starfield was the most soulful roleplaying game.

>>725125914
Mafia 1 and KCD 1 were really good

>>725109650 (OP)
KCD shits on outer worlds so hard he's absolutely legitimate to. Can't fucking talk about any game design flaws in outer worlds because every thread is flooded with anti-woketards, but there are a lot.

>>725109650 (OP)
It sounds like what he wants is LLM generation of a world to handle interactions on a more personal level but has the guardrails to map the consequences and outcomes to the systems the game facilitates.
Suck Up, for example, uses an LLM chatbot with each NPC to "calculate" how much you convince them to let you inside, the core gameplay loop, in order to feast on their blood as a vampire.
It's a bit of a shame that because of major corporations dicking us with AI around every corner to cut costs (ontop of artists chimping out) people have such a hateboner for it. This is the true ingenuity that LLM Ai systems can do for a game but for the time being will be lambasted due to politics.

>romance the ugly nonbinary space ranger with blue hair
>participate in this boring quest that isn't memorable
>fuck crapitalism epic dialogue
>everyone is black/trans/ugly for some reason
>gunplay is meh at best
>world is boring and meh
wow... can't wait to play this...

>>725126516
I don't think those procgen NPCs have any schadule.

>>725126547
Outwerworlds2 has alot of great rpg mechanics like a good return to form, to bad every character is not interesting and is bland and sucks and the voice acting us boring and awful otherwise the game would be great. Good dialogue options and role-playing, bad characters and story

>>725126569
AI is too expensive is the real reason because indies will be the force to embrace it once it's reliable. The fact is to properly do a game session with an LLM you need a computer that costs a minimum of $2000 but in reality that's still not enough because you realistically not only need to run a 30B+ model but you need it to run at 1000 token/s with 100,000 token context without it hallucinating.

>>725126347
Ah yes all the famous bethesda characters that feel like real people because they lie down on a bed after talking to me

>>725126639
>romance in obsneedian game
Anon i....

>>725126791
You don't get it, it's okay anon. Not everything is a war, you don't know why the new "RPGs" are failing because you lack taste so you fail to understand what the core paying audience actually wants to play. I bet you don't know why any RPG succeeds or fails. I don't fault you, you're probably a woman.

>>725126791
Have you heard of the high elves?

Goodbye.

>>725109650 (OP)
If I had a combat system that's legitimately so easily broken that you can get through an encounter pressing only a single key, I'd consider myself in the mother of all glass houses in terms of game design.

>>725126786
The efficiency and hardware consumption is a big issue I do agree, one day I look forward to seeing LLMs that can compute at a much higher cleaner rate but that's not today.
Is a 30B model really necessary though? I run a compressed 12b model for my personal chats, and while it's not perfect it's not horrible. I heard someone using models as simple as 3b for projects, granted narrative and dialog I don't think was such a need for him. Let me see if I can find it

>>725109676
Gay sex and saving jews

>>725126018
People on the /v/idea games board? Playing videogames? And critiquing- ACTUAL critique, that means sometimes talking about the good qualities of mid games? Holy shit we need to put a stop to this. Call the fucking mods. Ban all OW2 fags right now. Everyone in /v/ must be in lockstep and never ever enjoy anything new. The National Socialist State of /v/ demands you can only talk about gooner gacha anime slop, 20 year old cRPGs and Onirisim. If someone had fun playing a NEW game from a pozzed AAA company for 5 seconds they are a corporate shill and need an instant autoban.

>>725111134
The children of today didn't know that we had that shit as an incredible feature in the Octarina of Time, AND even earlier in Ultima goddam 5 when Ronald fucking Reagan was president and EGA was the standard graphics..

>>725111573
We had that shit in the 1970s.

>>725111932
>, an autistic lesbian asexual Indian
I'm putting a team together. It has Tash and Bazz, and Parvati here looks like a prime candidate..

>>725111964
Not "open ended" in the same way. OW2 is VERY open ended as in that you can go on a New Vegas style homicide spree and still have the game work out. The ending of course is a sack of crap straight from fallout 3 and kind of ass.

>>725119429
Brings back some memories lf
>Sarcastic

I wanted to break my keyboard in half when I saw that for the third time.
Kick starter scammers and troons could've done a better job than that

>>725112058
I don't fucking know anymore.

>>725112652
Getting them to buy shit for you?

>>725112706
>Does a gay sex scene count? Or random blacks in Europa?
Nah, he's just following AAA trends here.

>>725127019
Around 30B is when the model starts getting the premise of being a game master with both understanding of context, capable of having internal reasoning with NPCs, etc, but maybe a 12B model specifically trained to be a game master could do well but that would require a lot of effort. Basically around 30B is when LLMs can roleplay as the AI for The Sims where given stats, history, and available actions have a character do something based on those needs.

>>725126786
>>725127019
I think a fine turned 24B (can run on a single consume grade gpu) can definitely get the job done
At for a more generic setting and rule set.

>>725123902
I loved New Vegas and never played the DLC. In fact once I realised you need specific types of character skills leveled to get the most out of each DLC I never bothered. I couldn't justify endlessly replaying the game with different characters to level them enough to do the DLC and got bored of powerleveling a max INT character to just skillsmaxx. I'm sure the stories are good but whoever is responsible for the design forcing it like that needs to take a step back.

>>725127253
It's not about can it's about reliability. You need it to be perfect and give good results every time and that's only half of it, you need it to be instant and capable of continually processing in real time without the player having to get up and get a coffee between turns.

>>725109650 (OP)
>can any of you think of a single new game mechanic in The Outer Worlds that wasn't already in Deus Ex (...) 25 years ago?
Seems a little strange to shit on Obsidian in specific here, seeing as literally every game since Deus Ex has fallen completely short of what it was trying to achieve. The industry as a whole is stuck churning out the same formula over and over.

>>725127401
True
But it can be done but youll need some Smart people with great understanding of game design and AI so they can feed the basics on a much more abstract level.

But right now only short coherent campaigns are possible with very few recurring characters .

>>725127313
We used to have 1 int character playthroughs where your character talked like a complete retard the entire time. Thank you for you ruining it by insisting they dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator.

>>725109762
https://www.mobygames.com/game/48717/fallout-new-vegas/credits/
https://www.mobygames.com/game/247914/the-outer-worlds-2/credits/
>Game Director Brandon Adler
Who was doing "Additional production" in New Vegas.....right.
Daniel Alpert was a Character artist.
>Level Design Leads Tyson Christensen
Merely exists in the Special thanks for New Vegas.
None of the New Vegas writer are in the credits for Outer Worlds 2.

>>725109650 (OP)
gay pedo

>>725112981
And current Obsidian can't even play that shit without getting triggered, much less make another one.

>>725114141
They used to be better. And standards are low.

>>725116743
What historians are you talking about?


>>725117148
You just sound like a homosexual who knows 3d pig disgusting is for sickos. Nothing wrong with that.

>>725109762
>BTFO
In what world is "Nuh uh!" a BTFO?

>>725109650 (OP)
Literally who?

>>725117937
Is Lord Brittish still around?

>>725119380
I'm cautiously pessimistic, but I intend to give his shit a full lookover. At least it looks fucking different.

>>725127792
>No one tries to copy Ultima
I hate this gay earth.

>>725119380
as long as none of the wasteland 3 staff is involved I'll try it.

>>725127313
>>725127635
I've never personally understood the mindset where people NEED to have their perfect golden run of a game where they literally do every single piece of content a big open ended RPG has to offer to them. Sometimes it's okay to have things become locked off to you or willingly choose not to engage with certain aspects of the game to facilitate your personal role-play or character concept.

>>725110387
>It's imsim medieval Farcry
You're giving fagra WAY too much credit

>>725126461
>some shit that was in games earlier, most of it in TES
The clothing mechanic I don't remember where I've seen this, but the washing mechanic I've last seen in a visual novel that I dropped an hour in because holy shit why would you play a visual novel.

Faceit, Vavrajew is an unironic, uninventive hack who created a good game like KCD1 and now is just going to quickly leave after bloating out the studio and taking ESG money.

>>725119380
Random thing, but I was wondering why Scout's voice actor disappeared from the internet after being so active even though all the other voice actors for the mercs from TF2 are doing get-togethers. Then I looked at his LinkedIn and apparently he's working as the combat director for Clockwork Revolution. Weird.

>>725128568
This shit was in Arcanum, one of the previous games of The Outer Worlds creators

The entire medium of games has been tapped out. There is nowhere else to go. Games are so expensive to make that this is it. They peaked.

>>725128710
>Arcanum
Of Steamworks AND Magick Obscura?

>>725128725
>too expensive
made up bullshit, if you think you can't make a good video game with a team of 50 people making $120k/yr you're insane

>>725127635
>insisting it's dumbed down
You have no reading comprehension and you hark back to times where people were more intelligent. Curious. Here let me break it down for your 1 INT playthrough:
> main story that changes as your build plays it out differently = good
> short DLC where unless you're a specific build all you get is retarded story and combat = bad
That's why I only ever got as far as HH. I mean there's an entire DLC where you'll be massively strapped for ammo unless you're going melee, which is bad for that DLC or you have a revolver/energy build. Come the fuck on.

>>725128073
It's not the same. With a main story I'll have a main story's worth of progression and game. With DLC I'll just have a quick romp that's mostly combat encounters in a game with dogshit combat and won't be able to enjoy the story in its entirety.

>>725111504
Dungeon siege 3 ?
There's been a second one ?
Holy shit are they good ?

Vávra is based, buck broke all the 4chincels back in February bad

>>725129243
It is dumbed down you retard because they design the game around faggots like you that refuse the play the game more than once so the first thing they chop is good vs evil play thoughs because "muh quests I missed". Why do you even play RPGs? Honestly if I ever make an RPG and I detect a min/maxxer all the RPGs are going to treat you like a tryhard twat who wore a suit to a McDonalds.

>>725111026
That is A man

>>725128568
>it doesn't count because <game genre>
further beat the fuck out by
>>725128710

>>725129360
Holy shit you fucking retard.
> content variety like KOTOR light vs. dark playthrough further modified by when you stray from light to dark changing the outcome = good
> content or NO content = bad
How are you this dumb? Seriously? It's not dumbed down, it's unfinished as shit and has variety in NV main game. The DLC sucks and I'm not going to play a game more than 3-4 times unless I absolutely love it.
> bUt YoU wAnT tO mInMaX bY gEtTiNg YoUr MoNeY's WoRtH wItHoUt dUmPiNg AnOtHeR 30 HoUrS in MaIn GaMe JuSt To ExPeRiEnCe NeW ConTenT!
Honestly I don't even know if it was 30, or more like 50 hours to get to lvl >40 but hopefully by now you actually get the point. Numbskull.

>>725129606
Lmao you're so mad because I'm right, you're a min/maxxer faggot that wants the game to take you seriously.

>>725115372
Ive seen this shitposted so many times on /tv/ that I know it’s from the dr who guy, anglos are mentally ill

A Friendly reminder that Sharty is desperate as Redit /r/gamingcirclejerk to shill this garbage game to dab on /v/, and they are always wrong, remember that.
And both shares the same pisscord group who derails /v/, /vrpg/ and /vr/ threads

>shits
>7/10
???

>>725111026
Wow they put the villain from Never Too Young to Die in the game, what a deep cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSNCIw4uZA

>>725129606
You aren't the guy who said Arcanum, what game were you thinking of? What Visual Novel was it? Can you expound upon your examples?

>decent rpg freedom
>cast and world is fo fucking ass
Whats the point

>>725129757
Well that's an issue with rating AAA games
Most of them competent enough
And somewhat enjoyable if you like the genre so it feels unfair or mean to give them score that is supposed to be given to a bad game.

>>725129657
>inanimate objects taking you seriously
Your thinking is quite innovative, I'll give you that but no.
>content A or content B of maingame
vs.
>more content or less content of DLC
This is bad design. Main game was designed better.

>>725129849
>you weren't the guy who said thing
Doesn't mean those mechanics were any more original. Also no because I honestly forgot at this point and can't be bothered to look it up.

>>725130167
Ugh. I wanted to try out a different modern (post 2007 for me) RPG but I've played most of them. Is there anything that is at least mechanically sound? I was thinking of playing Avowed but the combat was MMO-tier (since it was a failed MMO project) and I can't even play TOW2 because of how bland TOW1 was.

>>725129757
7/10 should just mean it's a merely competent game. Maybe it has some good ideas but stumbled on the execution. The issue is the perception of game scoring where people see 7/10 and go "wow, that's almost a 10 so that must mean it's pretty good!" because people have trouble seeing the abstract of what it actually means.

>>725129289
2 is pretty tight with the Broken World expansion, 3 is actual literal trash do-not-touch shit tier, couldn't even be bothered to finish the campaign and see if you could have more than TWO active party members

I hate how enemies run around like headless chickens and keep stumbling when you shoot them
The combat should be way slower
Right now I either kill them in a second or they kill me in a second
I bet this game would be impossible if I didn't rush guns and instead wasted my skill points on shit like hacking
I'm on my second playthrough on the hardest difficulty btw

>>725130791
explosives is just guns but better

>>725109964
>An opinion from an actual major game developer
>literal who
Retard

>>725121017
>>725124535
Aside from just his skill, it shows a change in hiring practices and priorities. They aren't going for the best people, and they are only considering people who meet their hilariously racist standards. The people who don't want to work with that head for the doors, and retire. I mean consider how much the character art directors cost them on the outer world games and Avowed alone, and who the fuck wants to work with a racist weirdo like that. It shows in other creative aspects of the game. They don't have anyone who has the background knowledge to write like they did in Alpha Protocoll or NV.

>>725121292
>Shouldn't he have kept quiet?
Yes, but he's always been a shit flingier.

After all, they are colleagues in the same industry.

>Imagine if all developers started criticizing each other's work
It would be hilarioius.

>>725121879
Neither one is good though, especially compared to NV.

>>725122196
Swedish money. Technincal correctness.

>>725109650 (OP)
It's time to admit Obsidian got lucky with New Vegas considering they haven't made anything good since.

>>725123484
>baldurs gate 1 isn't a great rpg because it only had one ending
>morrowind isn't a great rpg because it only has one ending
>system shock 1 isn't a great rpg because it only has one ending
"Pillar" my ass.
People getting so uppity about OH MY GOD MY CHOICE, IT MATTERED when a nothing NPC has different clothes on because they didn't buy some armor five hours ago, as if it's the purest form of role playing imaginable, look fucking ridiculous.
"Role Playing" is already an incredibly vague term, and it isn't restricted to personal choice.
Branching stories are just a writing choice that can exist both inside and outside of the RPG genre, without defining the game they're in.

>>725131235
Vavra probably deserves some shit slinging for being a mouthy faggot

But v/ literally shits on every dev and treats them like chump (except todd)
I remember a thread when Contonio (desinger of dark Messiah, Dishonored, prey, arx fatalis) said something and everyone was shitting on him for game he had no involvement in.

>>725123654
Unfortunately Futurama has PHD science writers, and Outer worlds has a writing team that only looks good in comparison to 'trick weeks.

I think the best writing was the stats and flaws.

>>725117937
Sawyer and Todd are has-beens stuck in shitty studios with incompetent and woke americans. Vavra and Swen have a proven track record, and I'm certain they will also deliver top tier RPGs with their next games.

>>725131470
>/v/ doesn't shit on Todd
You know when they say "Oh Todd, you did it again" or "Todd the Godd Howard" they're not praising him, right?

>>725131452
1) we don't get any good RPGs railroaded or not right now
2) choices matter is objectively better than no choices matter if all other parts are equal. Baldur's Gate 1 would be a better game if it had multiple endings that were based on choices you made in the game and that's an objective fact.

>>725131634
That's cute shit they treat him like /our/conman

While calling any other dev a retarded nigger faggot who never made a good game.

>>725129757
>>725130381
Exactly. Game and movie ratings are equivalent to an A/B/C/D/F school grade system.

A 70 is a C, aka a merely passing grade.

>>725125687
The first is an engine and detail check. Does your game have a good physics engine. Does iit allow for emergent gameplay.

And if you are trying to sell your shit using a hero of immersive game design, it's something you check for.

>>725109650 (OP)
I don’t know what he’s talking about. I’m having a blast. The Outer Worlds 2 ™ is an amazing experience that all gamers are enjoying this month.

>>725109676
>At least Obsidian doesn't make open world slop.
Ironic that you say this since the only good game they ever made and the one that gets glazed the most was an open world rpg.

>>725131834
It really sucks that games generally moved away from going heavy on physics systems and world interactivity.

>>725131452
System Shock 1 is definitely not an rpg lol

>>725131634
/v/ loves Todd no matter how hard they pretend to hate him.

>>725117937
Todd or Sven

>>725132196
KCD2 has some decent physics.
(Pirate it, it's widely available or don't play it I am not a shill i was just saying.)

>>725132528
I'll wait for it to randomly show up in a Humble Bundle in a year or two and beg for a key in a HB thread.

>7/10
>proven formula
>fill world with ugly shitskins and fags
>give me more than my own game has on the important stuff
KCD 1 and 2 are just crappy gothic with no atmosphere

>>725109650 (OP)
Does this faggot think that ain't QTEs to certain animations like stealth kill is a good improvement to an existing mechanic?
lol
lmao even
Next time add more niggers and womyn who don't need no man to your shit game, Vavra.

>>725132672
Pffff
Reminds me of the Red letter Media video where they talked about the guys who wait for a copy of a movie to get in their local library so they can borrow it.

Vavra is a fat jew and KCD is a shitty game with Game of Thrones tier slop writing.


The outer worlds is surely a bad game, I dropped the first one after the first enemy I killed had randomized loot, and it's hideous, and I'm sure the writing is atrocious, but I have absolute faith it's better than KCD.

You cannot make a good Fallout game without at least 2/4 of these men.

>>725132964
I really want Kirkbride to work on a Sci-Fi RPG.

>>725132887
>but I have absolute faith it's better than KCD.
Go fuck yourself culture war faggot, KCD is kino.

>google who that is
>Kingdom Cum in Guys 2 director
>same faggot who had meltdowns over people shitting on his game

>>725133103
KCD 1? You get upended by some turbofag in the dumbest way possible. KCD 2? Turbowoke. TOW2? Woker than TOW1.

>>725130445
Thanks for the heads-up.
I'll do a marathon starting from the first.

>>725122338
every women in TOW have danger male haircut lol

>>725127916
The Divinity Original Sin games are basically spiritual successors to Ultima 7

>>725109650 (OP)
This coming from the biggest jew cum guzzler in the industry is funny

>>725125687
They're equally important. Games are an interactive medium, so they require INPUT from the player. If you want a bunch of static, non-interactable props in your game, go make a movie instead

>>725109650 (OP)
>favorite game
>tranny vegas
maybe he needs to start playing better games.

>>725133890
The movie game Dragon Age: Origins

>>725109650 (OP)
jew

>>725109650 (OP)
is the moon guy in the game? can you romance him

>>725109650 (OP)
>finished
I can't say that about either kcd

>>725109650 (OP)
obsidian made grounded which was a million times better than kang dong cums 2

>>725109650 (OP)
At least they don't put niggers in a medieval setting that is located in Europe, also they don't make the MC of the first game a flamming faggot

>>725112058
It's abomination, don't even think about it.

>adds nothing but queers, pozz and kikes
>removes varied gameplay
>now judges other studios for not innovating

>>725136559
He’s a jewish grifter anon.

>>725109650 (OP)
This nigger faggot has no grounds to judge others

Shitty open world fps slop is not fun

>>725115531
>Street Fighter 6
Snap! You are going to my number of the beast collection. I find it so interesting that these popular video game franchises have all conveniently reached the number 6.
>GTA
>Far Cry
>Elder Scrolls
>DOOM
>Battlefield
>Persona
>Halo
>Street Fighter
>COD Black Ops
>Hitman
>MGS
>Armored Core
>Super Smash Bros
Plus GTA 6 delayed to May 26th 2026.
>666
All announcing the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13:17-18 KJV
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Honourable mention:
>Resident Evil 9 (upside down 6)
>Dying Light The Beast

>>725128725
>Games are so expensive to make that this is it.
No, games being made like major Hollywood pictures with a billion dollars dumped in for most to go to marketing and a select few of the project's salaries have nowhere else to go.
I tell you, this is the medium healing, that major companies are either taking gaming and will either dump it to find more cost efficient entertainment to fuck up, or AAA(A) gaming will transform into a completely different beast so starkly that it contrasts with classic gaming and the markets separate completely so that indies looking to make games for fun and ingenuity don't get lumped in the same category.

>>725109650 (OP)
A fucking twitter screencap with a novel worth of text. I don't care who that is or what he says, what do you think OP? If you havent played Outer Worlds 2, what have you played and what did you think about it.

>>725119969
Except it doesn't.

>>725109762
You know that only makes it more damning, not less.

>>725119517
Biden lost.

>>725136789
>Plus GTA 6 delayed to May 26th 2026.
>>666
Just saw they delayed it further to 19th November. 9/11 coding now as well. Trump is the 45th and 47th president.
>4+5=9
>4+7=11
https://twitter.com/DonnieDarkened/status/1527804590967619585

>>725112785
Where did you get that fucking dog? It looks just like mine.

>>725128339
learning to read, the potion crafting system and using stars for directions have not been in any elder scrolls game. I sincerly doubt the clothing or washing thing have been in any other game especially since you cant name them you cum guzzling retard