Thread 725114251

>villain is evil because…. he wants to impose order on a chaotic, cruel, indifferent universe
How the heck is that a bad thing?

>>725114251 (OP)
its his fault for having tiny sticks for arms

>>725114251 (OP)
Fr. Wish we could’ve sided with him since canonically he’s one, if not the strongest, daedra in the lore considering other Daedra's planes. The fact that the people who willingly joined him became immortal and command his troops is just another bonus, meanwhile all other daedra just fuck you over.

Because he stands between me and the throne.

Uhhhhhhh something something, order is stiffling and sterile and often forces a single unified idea onto people who disagree with it or whatevs

>>725114251 (OP)
There is no such thing as order in the universe. Life only exists because of an endless cascade of random, chaotic events occurring over a period of billion of years, on a single planet that so far has been the only one shown to have the random, chaotic conditions to support life.

>>725114251 (OP)
Because his order is merely cruelty. He's not building a society, he's tearing another society down to leave nothing behind, and massacring everyone that was once there.

Without chaos, we could not have gambling.

>>725114251 (OP)
What would that even mean in practical terms.

>>725114251 (OP)
>>725114416
>I wish I could have sided with the unthinking, uncaring automaton whose only goal is to eradicate life and leave a sterile empty wasteland in his wake
Crazy self-report.

>his order is described as bleak, colorless and without any soul or free will
>everything he has is one colored rocks
>relates to Sotha Sil, an autistic who could spent his life predicting things he couldn't stop, regretting everything he ever did, forced into a corner by several problems he had centuries to solve, and left behind feral and disastrous projects for others to deal with
I feel like Jyggalag's sense of order was defined well enough. Reduce everything to something simple and it's easy to have order. All the worthwhile things in life that makes you want order will just be done away with along with your desire for them.

>>725114251 (OP)
No, you're fighting as Sheogorath's champion with promises of great power and rewards.
The reason the other daedra want to stop Jygalag is because he is too powerful and they gang up on him to nerf him.

>>725114251 (OP)
wow cool it with the antisemitic remarks, Hitler

>>725114416
>Wish we could’ve sided with him
We did. The ending of Shivering Isles breaks the cycle of him turning into Sheogorath, he's finally free. I'd like to think that Skyrim has far fewer daedra around because Jyggalag is waging a major war in Oblivion.

>>725114416
Anon, by the end you technically do.
Order is pretty much to chaos a counter force, and by the nature of what chaos is makes order a part of chaos.
The entropy force to an entropic force that ots just born to counter it.
With you becoming the new Mad god, you are also him, but also breaking the cycle of cognitive disfunction that is basically chaos eating its own tail.

>>725114251 (OP)
Isn't that what Hitler was doing?

>>725114251 (OP)
You know, Antagonist doesn't necessarily mean villain. If anything he's a victim and you're trying to help him.

>>725114251 (OP)
The daedra aren't evil. They're just so single-minded they fuck up everything

>>725114636
Wisdom

>wants to change a chaotic, cruel, indifferent universe into an orderly, cruel, indifferent universe
>"HUH WHY IS HE A VILLAIN GUISE"

>>725115039
>I wish I could have sided with the unthinking, uncaring automaton whose only goal is to eradicate life and leave a sterile empty wasteland in his wake
I dare you to say old Necron aren't cool.

>BROOOO HE'S LIKE THE STRONGEST THING EVER
>EVEN THE OTHER DAEDRIC PRINCES SHIT THEIR PANTS AT THE VERY THOUGHT OF HIM
>easily crumbles in the usual glorified slapfight
Elder Scrolls has and always will be slop

>>725120929
my dude, casually bashing a daedric prince's skull in has been a thing since morrowind

>>725120929
People complained when you couldn't do that to Dagon and had Martin sacrifice himself to do it.

>>725115480
based

>>725121339
It wouldn't be that hard for you. Hell, you can make him melt. It just doesn't register him as dead for plot reasons

>>725116473
How is that breaking the cycle? It doesn't make any sense.

>>725121583
Yeah so you couldn't do it to Dagon and here you are complaining so which is it retard?

>>725121121
To my recollection, the only prince you fight in Morrowind is Hircine, who's deliberately handicapping himself because he's a weirdo.

>>725121985
and he is absolutely seething regardless
coping and seething
even dilating

>>725114251 (OP)
you'd probably have to pay taxes

>>725119118
They weren't, but they were better by far than the silly Brits in blackface that replaced them

>>725114251 (OP)
Where was it implied that Jyggalag is evil?

>>725116761
No, Hitler was just adding to the entropic forces that have led our world into even more dissolution and chaos.

>>725120929
I'll play Devil's advocate and this is as someone with very limited logic on the "lore" so I'm probably wrong about some things here.
But with Jyggalag, he was invading the Shivering Isles, which is Sheogorath's realm. Daedric Princes I believe are the most powerful in their own realms, so since he was invading a realm that technically isn't his (since he's no longer Sheo during that time) then he's not at peak power.
The main reason he steamrolled every Grey March was because the realm never had a Daedric Prince there to contest it, since Sheo would always turn into Jyggy, conquer, then return as Sheo and rebuild. This time, the player was able to mantle Sheo, becoming the new Prince of Madness and had the full backing of the Shivering Isles, which is why they were able to "slap" Jyggy and stop the Grey March for good. Now Jyggalag can remain as Jyggalag and fuck off somewhere else.
As for why New Sheogorath had an easier time beating Jyggalag than the other Daedric Princes did, is because I assume his Prisoner status and all the wacky paradoxical stuff that comes with that ontop of being a Daedric Prince now.

>>725114416
What the fuck do you mean sided with him? You did good for him, you separated his animus from Sheogoraths sphere, this is literally the best outcome for him because his Vestige is separate now and he will not turn into a reddit cheese man every decade.

>>725124234
Yes
Jyggalag all but thanks you for freeing him and acknowledges you as an equal.
>>725124383
Who the fuck knows if we'll ever see him again though.

Would be awesome if he swooped in during Hammerfell against the Thalmor because undoing creation is actually insanely chaotic.

>>725123127
Bluepilled retarded faggot
No, he was the very embodiment of order and justice against chaos and evil

Dragonborn solos

>>725114251 (OP)
because then it would be an orderly, cruel, indifferent universe