Thread 725117751

How the fuck can anyone say with a straight face that top is better?

you can if you play both for 5 minutes

Cause I'm not gay or autistic

>>725117751 (OP)
Both are fun so both are good

>>725117751 (OP)
Ask a Sonic fan to beat any of the classic sonics and they'll never do it. Ask a Mario fan to play through classic Mario and they'll be happy to.

S&K is probably the best they have to offer. Fuck Sonic1 and Sonic2. Music is better tho

>>725117751 (OP)
Sonic was never really a platformer. It was careening out of control and bouncing off shit. When it did slow down for platforming, it was inferior.
I'm not a tendie by any means, and I had a Genesis instead of a SNES, but I recognize that Sonic has always been shit, and the only people that like it are faggots and furries and autists.

>>725117751 (OP)
We had a SEGA console when growing up, and when I played super Mario at my friends house I was disappointed as the game is no where near as fun to play and explore routes in the levels when compared to Sonic which was a far more interesting experience, both are still good games though, just sonic has personality while super Mario is ultra safe and bland

Top has more variety, more levels, more playtime, and secrets to discover that isn't "top route vs. bottom route".

>>725118042
Modern Sonic fan*
I grew up on Sonic and have never defending his transition to 3d because you can't, it sucks
Sonic 2 however remains spectacular

>>725118042
They’re not that difficult once you play them out for a bit, all old school platformers demanding total precision and a little memorisation, the biggest problem new players will have is thinking sonics speed means just scrolling very fast, which is fatal if you’re not careful

>>725117751 (OP)
It's not even a competition. Mario world is a regression from Mario 3, reliant on gimmicks and with terrible level design. Sonic is far better with its pinball physics and elaborate tiered level designs.

>>725118305
>>725118470
oil ocean sucks so much fucking ass dude

>>725117751 (OP)
Also, I'm samefagging (>>725118126 is me). Top is a clearer image that makes doing tricky jumps more comfortable. Bottom is a lot of visual clutter that doesn't matter because you barely stop to see anything. Even ring collecting is pointless if you're a score autist as long as you just hold on to a few and reclaim a couple when you get hit.

>>725117751 (OP)
You’re right, OP. To claim otherwise requires going into an autistic YouTuber cope about “muh design dissonance,” Chris chan, or “Sonic had a rough transition to 3D to say the least.” It’s a win by default. Mario peaked on NES, the SNES heavy hitters are Zelda and Metroid.

>>725117751 (OP)
>get supercape
>cheese 98% of the game by flying over it
Wow, so much fun...

>>725117751 (OP)
We may never know, OP.

>>725117849
FPBP

>>725118470
I mean there are so many +30 minutes videos of sonic zones and thier layout and routes, with analysis from a level design perspective and for speed runners, super Mario games don’t even come close because their level design was good but nothing special

>>725117751 (OP)
Anyone else feel a really uneasy and weird vibe when playing the first Sonic games?
Something is just off about those games.

>>725118042
Just to spite your post, I'm gonna play through Sonic 1 and 2 right now.

t. Sonic fan

>>725117751 (OP)
>Mario fans grew up and became respected members of society
>Sonic fans never grew up and the average fan is Chris Chan tier
Really makes you think...

>>725118539
The only valid complaint I'll hear about Oil Ocean is that it's easy to get lost if you fall down somewhere with a lot of connections

>>725117751 (OP)
Mario has simple, easy design that's fun to pick up and play.
Sonic has horrible design (after the first level) that's a fucking shitty ass slog that's only fun for people who like replaying stuff to optimize routing.

>>725118953
what if you were both a sonic fan and a mario fan

>>725119050
Filtered

I've never beaten SMW since it starts to feel like a massive slog fest once you get to the woods. Sonic 1 is a short and sweet arcade style platformer that doesn't overstay its welcome.

>>725119272
Do you have the attention span of a gnat? You're comparing a 1 hour game to like a 5 hour game. Neither are long.

>>725117751 (OP)
Both games were pretty fucking cool and I played all of them frequently.
t. rich kid that still has his old shit
Console tribalism is for poors justifying their lack of the other.

>>725119151
We grew up to be complete fucking lazy losers.

>>725118042
I'll play through Sonic 2 or 3 in a single sitting. Sonic 1 or CD I can't be arsed to play more than maybe once a decade to remind myself that I still don't like them.

>>725118889
I'll watch if you stream it :>

>>725119617
Same, but 1-4 are all cool and I think they are fantastic games, but CD just feels off, I don’t know what it is but I never finished it because I just lose interest every time

>>725117751 (OP)
I like and enjoy both

What now, OP? What now?

Sonic 4 sucks

>>725118042
I went through PAIN finding secret checkpoints and getting all seven chaos emeralds in Sonic 2 and all on this while playing on mobile and without any save scumming.
I think I deserve a fucking break from all that torture, I'm just playing Mania now.

>>725117751 (OP)
>clean visual vs visual polution

>>725119894
Special levels were pain because tails is a bitch.

>more graphical clutter = better
Segafags are delusional.

>>725117751 (OP)
Super Mario World is the 4th Super Mario Bros game. Sonic & Knuckles is the 4th Sonic game, with S3&K being the full game (and if you could that as 3rd, then Mania is the 4th). Those are the proper comparisons.

>>725119816
>>725119883
By 4 I meant Sonic and Knuckles ( as in all 4 16bit main titles)

>>725119737
Not sure how I'd do that from my vita but I appreciate the gesture
Already got the 3rd emerald wish me luck niggas

>>725120669
vita streaming is kind of a pain in the ass. God speed anon.

I feel bad for all the kids whose parents were duped like this.

>>725117751 (OP)
top has better, funner gameplay and spawned a genre dozens of millions enjoyed (and I say this with the utmost despise for anything nintendo has to offer)
bottom is press right on the dpad simulator and spawned the smelly autistic speedrun community

>>725117751 (OP)
Anyone who wants to see where he's going. Screen crunch is a cheap trick to make the scrolling seem faster; style over substance

>>725120934
>press right on the dpad simulator
wat
After the first level, it turns into a slow, slogging retarded platform for most of its run time.

>>725120934
More people speedrun Mario

>>725117751 (OP)
i sure didn't
smb3 was more impressive for its time than smw for its time
the only reason it got made was because the faggot miyamoto wanted mario to ride a dino and that was it
fucking adventure island 3 already had dino riding

Graphically? You gotta have minimal taste and only like mario world's aesthetics full of clashing styles between sprites and somewhat monotonous backgrounds (at least All-Stars gave cool parallax scrolling to some backgrounds)
Gameplay? Because mario world's controls and physics are super tight and responsive, way better than Sonic by a longshot, Sonic's entire appeal is learning the game to beat it fast, but going slow in sonic games is abominable as fuck. Mario games at least give you overworld shortcuts to blaze through the game. Apples to oranges really, but god damn if mario's oranges aren't tasty as fuck any time of the year
Music? I'll give this one to sonic, at least every zone had a different theme, smw only has like 4 level themes, smw castle mogs the entire sonic 1 ost for real, but 1 track alone that plays in exactly 13 levels isn't exactly winning competitions here,

>>725117751 (OP)
Mario World is the better game, though, it has more refined gameplay, way, way more stages, and greater replay value. Mario's formula had already been perfected with Super Mario Bros. 3, while Sonic the Hedgehog (a good game as well) was SEGA's first Sonic attempt.

I miss the SEGA × Nintendo days, it's such a shame SEGA left the hardware business and Nintendo was forced out of the main console market and only make companion platforms / handhelds now to avoid competing with PlayStation and Xbox.

>>725119894
Don't the mobile versions have savefiles like Sonic 3 did?

>>725120934
Speedrunning has been a thing since the 80s.

>>725120934
>and spawned a genre dozens of millions enjoyed
Pitfall!likes?

>>725120579
>By 4 I meant Sonic and Knuckles
Good, I was about to rip you a new one since I forced myself to finish off actual-Sonic 4 a few years back. What a miserable fucking game, with a soundtrack that makes you want to rip your hair out.

Sonic levels are large, boring, and forgettable. I couldn't draw a single one.

>>725117751 (OP)
They think the gameplay is better?

>>725118745
>super Mario games don’t even come close because their level design was good but nothing special
And yet of the hundreds of 4th gen scotformers that tried, none reached a modicum of the success or following Mario did. The only games that stand on its level are similarly acclaimed series like Sonic and Donkey Kong.
It's time to admit that "nothing special" is in fact very special when so few can manage to make "simple level design" this good.

>>725120934
>and spawned a genre dozens of millions enjoyed
How fucking retarded are you? There were plenty of platformers before Mario World, and a lot of them were better.

S3K>SMB3>SMW>STH2>SMB2>STH1>SMB1>SMBLL

>>725118785
Yeah, I do

>>725118126
Do you think Chris Cham uses AI?

Super Mario World was a day one SNES release, and Sonic came a year later, when Sega had been making Megadrive games for two or three years already, to be fair.
The DKC games, and Yoshi's Island is where Nintendo's platformers really upped their game.

Yoshi's Island > Sonic 3&K > Mario World > Mario Bros. 3 > Sonic 2 > Sonic 1 > Mario Bros. 2 > Mario Bros. 1.

>>725121831
I remember buying it on the 360 when it launched, but I didn’t finish it and have completely forgot everything about it, so probably very bad indeed

>>725122652
Forgot Sonic CD.

Yoshi's Island > Sonic 3&K > Mario World > Mario Bros. 3 > Sonic 2 > Sonic 1 > Sonic CD > Mario Bros. 2 > Mario Bros. 1.

>>725118042
Who the fuck hasn't beaten both classic Sonic and Mario several times over?
>zoomer coded post

>>725122756
Episode 1 of Sonic 4 was a big meh, then Episode 2 is somehow even worse.

>>725122652
I would dock S3&K points simply for being sold as two games compared to every other entry being a full game.

>>725118126
>It was careening out of control and bouncing off shit
git gud

>>725117751 (OP)
I can usually at least finish a sonic game, SMW is long and so fucking boring. A lot of content but 90% of it is dull as dishwater.

I don't even consider SMW a particularly good 2D Mario and I would still put it above Sonic.

>>725118126
This is true honestly. Any zone or area you had to stop and actually platform in Sonic 1 or 2 was a slog, and Mario laughed in the face of it.

Sonic is fun for the speed and trying to bounce around without dying, but it isn't a good platformer.

>>725122384
I consider that you are a tranny that can't just write the name of the games and watches tranime.

You have a world map and can save in smw. I don't think it's really a good comparison. I would maybe put it up against smb 1 and 2 instead. Mario abandons the arcade thing way before sonic does

>be super mario world player
>get cape on like map 3
>fly through all the rest of the levels never touching the ground once

You can just play the two games and compare them right now:
https://www.smbgames.be/super-mario-world.php
https://www.allsonicgames.net/sonic-the-hedgehog.php

>>725121632
Yeah but I'm talking about saving and loading cheese.

>>725117751 (OP)
Mario has wider appeal because it's far easier to play optimally. Sonic expects you to learn the game and apply yourself to get good, which is basically kryptonite to the average gamer.
Scrubs love Mario and hate Sonic.
REAL gaymers love both.

>>725118042
Beating sonic is easy getting all of the chaos emeralds is the hard part

>>725126525
>Sonic expects you to learn the game
there's a difference between learning a game and memorizing obstacles you can't see because the fov is too small for your speed. learning should augment your play, not be a necessity.

>>725128001
Yeah but it's also fun finding all those hidden checkpoints or giant rings all over the map.

>>725128145
If you played the same way in a mario you would also loose like the retard you are. You just suck.

I have never once gotten all the emeralds in an original sonic game, maybe thats why I enjoy it so much

>>725118042
>Ask a Sonic fan to beat any of the classic sonics and they'll never do it.
wtf marathoning the classic has been a early thing for me for decades
I'd play through Sonic 2 almost every week when I was in high school

>>725117751 (OP)
The levels in Sonic get progressively worse the more you play the game. SMW is fairly consistent.

Sonic level design is a series of the same cookie cutter chunks of land copy pasted about.

>>725128761
As opposed to Mario's straight line planes of nothing filled with varying arrangements of stock game assets?
A level in Sonic is an actual location, with lore and connections to it's surroundings and unique gimmicks. Mario levels are just world_[number]-[level] souless

>>725129116
A level in Sonic is a series of loop-de-loops and pinball sections, with the odd jumps in areas made of 16x16 sets of tiles due to RAM & cartridge size requiring it for the size of those levels.

Meanwhile every stage in Mario gives you something different.

>>725117751 (OP)
Sonic actively hates the player and punishes you for trying to be fast in the series about going fast. Mario is fun without being aggravating for no reason

>>725131138
>mario is for liberal toddlers who can't handle a crumb of resistance
>Sonic is for blackpilled hard skinned self improvers
My God, I've never seen it shown so clearly and bluntly

>>725117751 (OP)
Lets see top has
-more levels
-levels with different routes that actually matter as they lead to different exits
-fun powerups that change movement
-more difficult
-much higher skill ceiling
-non garbage bonus stages

Both have one thing in common though: shit bosses

>>725117751 (OP)
they're both good faggot
I will be shitposting against tendies until the end of times though

>>725117751 (OP)
mario world
-can fly over every level with the cape or blue yoshi
-bowser and the koopalings are all the wrong color
sonic
-have to actually play the game
-eggman is the correct color

>>725134703
there are plenty of water, cave, ghost house and castle levels where you cannot fly over things, why do idiots keep saying that

>>725134809
blue yoshi motherfucker

>>725134891
yoshit cant enter ghost houses or castles you retarded zoomer that has never played the game fuck you, also you cant get a blue yoshi until the endgame unless you know where to look

>>725117751 (OP)
Classic sonic games are better than mario games but 3d sonic games suck ass compared to mario (even though 3d sonic is cooler)
To put it simply:
>gameplay - classic
>everything else - modern

>>725117751 (OP)
The entire premise of Sonic is that he goes fast and yet as soon as you finish Green Zone you get Marble Zone with slow and tedious platforming and verticality. The water maze and final factory levels are pretty bad too and the spring level has memorable music but I can't recall anything about the level design because you spend most of the time airborne.
I only ever bothered to finish Sonic 1 once when I was a kid. It's not fun and the music is nauseating.

SMW doesn't have Sandopolis zone so it's better by default

>>725135191
You can go fast on Marble Zone if you aren't shit.