Thread 725131979

What went so fucking wrong? When overwatch came out it was a literal cultural phenomenon.

>>725131979 (OP)
When 2 was released you had to unlock heroes (if you were f2p) which sucked ass. Thankfully they removed that shit. Nothing chanaged much. Most people are from Blizz launcher. I do play on Steam. Kiri best support btw

They made so many mistakes it's unreal.

>constantly cuck the game with dumb balance and design decisions
>peak wokemaxxing
>forced e-sport scene
>basically completely stopping all development on OW1 while it was still popular to work on OW2
>OW2 underdelivers on everything it promised and they turn off the game people liked for it

I'm still fucking mad. I know OW wasn't a masterpiece or anything, but there was a time where I really liked playing it.

It's been 10 years since Overwatch came out you fucking idiot. Imagine thinking GTA 5 is still culturally relevant and not some live service slop exclusively for toddlers who didn't experience it at its peak

ban steam charts threads

>>725131979 (OP)
>What went so fucking wrong

1.5 years of GOATS meta, followed by 8 years of tank meta.
the developers hate, hate, hate FPS games. they are 50+ year old WoW casualfaggots. they continuously nerf FPS mechanics and add MMO / MOBA-like mechanics. the hitboxes get bigger and bigger. the game gets more tank and support based and easier and worse every patch.

OW2 is one of the most popular games in existence.

the numbers are honestly way higher than they should be for 2025 overwatch + literally the steam version

>>725131979 (OP)
It's so full of safeguards to force you back to do what the devs intended it makes me sick. What I hate the most is the hp bloat and op healers to make dividing your group into an unlikely strategy. And the maps being so simplistic and focusing all forces on one point so to again turn the game into two big blobs fighting over who's getting the most successful ultimate chain to gain the push.
Sickening piece of shit game. Team Fortress 2 is shitting all over it.

>>725133005
it's not even in the top 30
people only speak of OW2 in two contexts:

1) "wow, that game is really bad and fell off hard"
2) "wow, that game has/had a lot of porn" (nowadays marvel/fortnite/valorant have usurped it though)

>>725131979 (OP)
Are these numbers supposed to be bad?

>>725133156
>Team Fortress 2 is shitting all over it.
unironically true and TF2 has either equal or more players depending on the day

also TF2 has really good mods nowadays like TF2C that add tons of new content

>>725131979 (OP)
tanks and shields ruined the game

>>725131979 (OP)
they went balls deep on esports and then casual fortnite ate their lunch

>>725132725
i miss when the game wasn't rotten and you could pick junkrat and throw bombs uncaring about the state of the match or symmetra and build portals leading to pits to make your teammates plunge to their death.

It fell into the trap of typical blizzard balancing making everything shit and trying to fit heroes into certain boxes instead of coming up with interesting kits and letting the community decide what to do with them.

>>725133332
Ahhh man, shitting grenades into a choke as junkrat and charging up an ult every 30 seconds or so, that was the shit man.

>>725131979 (OP)
30k players on one platform for a game that is far long from his prime is not that bad.
But people did a 360º on the game because of what >>725132425 said, plus the removal of lootboxes, now they have (worse) lootboxes again but the damage is already done and people won't come back.
Also they release 30 dollar skins all the time, compared to OW 1 where you could just grind everything

>>725133319
I love mercy main OW sluts. Got ass pics from an anorexic BPD pink mercy chick

>>725133332
>enemy team goes full winston and rapes our first point
>our team goes full bastion does harambe genocide
>after several full team switches into counters we end up in all soldier vs soldier

>>725131979 (OP)
E-SPORTS
>starcraft died an e-sport
>starcraft 2 died an e-sport
>hearthstone died an e-sport
>overwatch died an e-sport
>overwatch 2 died an e-sport
>heroes of the storm died an e-sport
>Warcraft died an e-sport
>Diablo died an e-sport
>retail pvp died an e-sport
>retail raiding died an e-sport
>retail dungeons died an e-sport

I can't stop playing Overwatch 2. There's nothing like it.

>>725133757
And LoL?

People would rather jerk off to widowmaker porn than actually play the fucking game.

>>725133845
>b-but what about the 2 to 3 games that actually made it?

i have never seen a game squandered as hard as OW

people don't even know/remember this nowadays, but in 2016-2017 OW was actually briefly the #1 game in the world. it was on top in every metric: always #1 on twitch, #1 in korean netcafe stats (even beating LoL, unheard of) and permeated the culture everywhere, everyone was dancing to retarded OW songs on tiktok, doing OW cosplays, talking about OW with friends

it turns out that plagiarizing TF2 and remaking it with modern attractive characters was a very good formula. they destroyed it through the most incompetent balance and moderation decisions i've ever seen in a videogame

>>725133251
I'm too broken down to build a new pc and tf2 is the one thing I miss the most out of it.
Not broken down as in out of cash, it's also about motivation. I don't enjoy much of anything and spending effort for something that'll disappoint me discourages me. Getting old sucks dicks.

>>725131979 (OP)
In before Steam charts cope and 50 gorillion players supposedly on battle.net

>>725133696
>team goes full dwarf and has a turret covered fortress cruising to the end
>team goes full rein and have an impenetrable phalanx all the way to the end
this game used to be fun

>>725132725
Honestly the new OW2 5 player teams suck ass so much, now a fucking tank is completely unkillable by three or four people together, this game isn't fun anymore and the niggers said they won't bring back the old balance.
And not only that, you get in a casual match as a low skill player and you get paired with a whole team of low skill players against a whole team of no lifers, happened to me like 10 times in a row we couldn't even get out the spawn, uninstalled the game and never played again.

>>725134116
I accept your concession, Reddit Frog.

>>725131979 (OP)
Overwatch was a terrible game for much more time than it was a good game (mid 2018 to the end of its life). OW2 was very rocky in its first year but it's in a better state than OW1 by this point.

>>725133696
>one fool goes pharah against sox soldiers
>that fool was me and no experience as a soldier rocket jumping in tf2 can save you from 6 76 players

>>725132425
Also I personally don't care about skins but a lot of people do and
>on release they gave you so little of the paid currency(which was the only way to get skins since they removed lootboxes at the time) that someone calculated it would take something like 20 weeks just to get enough to afford a recolor if you didn't pay.
>Every skin cost 10-20 dollars too.

>>725134128
>plagerizing tf-

Stopped reading

>>725134128
Remember that this sunbhuman was the same dude calling everyone at blizzard a nigger for not balancing wow the way he wanted and making changes he didn't like, which is what led to him getting hired, now he was the one running the high horse about others doing the same shit.

>>725134465
the developers themselves admitted in multiple dev streams that the game was "heavily inspired" by tf2

>>725134361
I can agree with that statement although even if OW2 is better than the first, it going F2P with all the associated bullshit of that model really kills my interest in even touching it. I wish it could've just stayed as a paid game or something.

>>725131979 (OP)
I like the part when they came out ans said Pharaoh is a lesbian and literally I mean literally no one gave a shit especially the blender porn fags

>>725134332
>make the greatest moba
>it has soul and is a renown success world wide
>decide to rip the soul out of it to made it an e-sport
>majority of people who continue to play it are bug people

>>725134534
This shit has been around since OW1 was new and it's still not accurate. Even if you are trying to make a general statement about the characters, Mercy and Medic alone are nothing alike. aside from 'gun with a healing beam'.

>>725131979 (OP)
game became e-sports and srs business
too many balance changes that required more patches
too much of ranked bleeding in to non-ranked game modes. imagine having to "queue" up for playing a hero you like in fucking quickplay
Retarded beyond belief
I played on PS4 and didn't have a PC at the time so I don't know how bad the toxicity was, I think the devs let themselves get too preoccupied by shit like donkey videos where people would tell him to kill himself for going hanzo or whatever
I only ever played with friends and we'd shoot the shit and it was great. Open beta and all of 2016 OW is the most fun I have ever had with an FPS. I imagine that is how TF2fags feel about that game.
But yeah, e-sports faggotry and fun policing killed the game. Of course there were times I got mad and the snowball effect on this game was crazy, but it was still very fun

>you can't criticize us because our characters are brown and gay

The game

>>725131979 (OP)
Blizzard as a company keeps making extremely odd decisions in how they manage their games but also how they treat players.
But if I had to guess, it's because the first few updates following the game's launch doubled down on competitive slop despite the game largely appealing to casuals. This meant largely removing things that made the game fun and instead doubling down on making the game in to an eSport.
It never had the mechanical depth to be a good competitive game because they kept tuning it to be as easy as possible for casual players to pick up and play, but at the same time kept tuning the games core systems around being as sweaty as possible.
It fails to capture either audiences and ended up being a middling dogshit experience.

>>725134594
I felt the same initially. No lootboxes, shit cosmetics in the default BP so you had to get premium to get anything cool, overpriced shop, heroes locked behind BP. I had negative interest in even touching that shit.

After they walked back locking new heroes behind the BP and brought back lootboxes they pulled me back in, now the game more or less feels the same as OW1 in terms of how easy it is to get new cosmetics except there's also an overpriced shop for retards to fund the game so I can continue enjoying it for free which isn't my problem. At the risk of sounding like a blizzdrone faggot, OW2 just a better product now even with the f2p model. The only thing I miss from OW1 is that progression felt better and the leveled portraits looked cooler.

>>725134252
>we had actual billionaires funding game developers to shove as much anti-normal propaganda into games as possible
>literally giving out monetary rewards for making your characters as fat, ugly, trans, black, and disabled as possible

>>725134517
actually he was doing that for everquest. his guild was clearing content day 1 and then complained that the game is too easy and theres no content, creating this conveyor belt of shit content made for 1% of the playerbase. then he got bored, quit EQ and was hired for wow team in 2003 where he brought his raid oriented garbage over.

>>725131979 (OP)
Overwatch 2 has 30k player on steam and around 10 times more on battle net and consoles
so around 300k players Overwatch 2 is almost as popular as fortnite and much more popular than marvel rivals

>>725131979 (OP)
I went back to TF2 after playing it for a few years and never looked back, TF2 is just more fun and you can fuck around a lot more, also got bored of the dogshit 5v5 format

>>725137636
>10 times more on battle net and consoles
you're living in a fantasy world

>>725134252
Imagine convincing some boomer you really need a six figure salary to do this shit. A+ racket

>>725131979 (OP)
It was another game that introduced a large amount of normalfags to video games so they praised it like the second coming of christ then over time realized it wasn't that good. Kinda like bioshock infinite.

>>725135382
>billionaires
it's YOUR tax money

>Counters becoming hard counters
>Killing the fun so Overwatch league can play more competitively
>too team based which just takes away from your individual performance
>knife’s edge balancing
>countless dumb reworks
>woke
>not enough heroes for people to play healers or tanks
>5v5 is the final nail
Overwatch was the victim of incompetent devs.

>>725132897
What’s ironic removing the other tank didn’t make it more fps at all, just even more support and tank based who became raid bosses. Another tank gave plenty of space for dps, and covered for the other’s mistakes, now they can’t do anything if the one tank dies, and if he’s not good enough? It’s over. The game can still be FPS with tanks, just make more Roadhog and Junker Queen, even Reinhardt isn’t an antithesis to FPS as he can only tanks if he lowered his shield, an intentional game design they seem to have forgotten about.

>>725142354
>>5v5 is the final nail
It's more popular than 6v6. 5v5 made me come back because I hated the clusterfuck of shields and cc that was 6v6.

>>725131979 (OP)
They fixed most of my problems with it
>all characters are free again
>6v6 is back
>loot boxes are back

>>725133156
>And the maps being so simplistic and focusing all forces on one point so to again turn the game into two big blobs fighting over who's getting the most successful ultimate chain to gain the push.
Chock-holds is a bad game design and I don’t understand why it’s still tolerated. It makes sense in MOBAs but not FPS.

>>725131979 (OP)
If you actually played the game you'd know steam represents, at the absolute best, a fourth of the community.
So yea, this is just another insincere thread. I get a match searching for dps in seconds.

>>725143036
they have removed all of the original design decisions regarding tanks

>tanks can only do damage at close range
every tank is now a sniper that does more damage than DPS at mid-long range

>tanks should be punished for being out of position
every tank now has multiple "press E to become invincible and fly back to your team"-esque godmode abilities that make positioning zero-risk

>tanks should be punished for being hit by big skillshot abilities and not blocking/evading them
tanks now have special passives that make them resistant or invulnerable to CC effects like tranq dart, make ana antiheal last half as long on them, etc. so they no longer have to think or be vulnerable to anything in the game

>>725131979 (OP)
>What went so fucking wrong?
they listened to retards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcqiUENUk0

>>725143487
>I get a match searching for dps in seconds.
Of course you do, you're a gold ranked gay retard like everyone else left playing Pedophilewatch

>>725131979 (OP)
So? It has much more players than TF2 and TF2 was also "cultural phenomenon".

>>725143643
You think mass ress is high iq gameplay?

>>725143672
>It has much more players than TF2
Even with thousands of its players balkanized across various mods like TF2C, TF2 still has 50% more players on Steam

>>725143737
no, but it made the game fun, like many other removed or changed things

>>725132819
pin steam chart threads

>>725143770
Most players don't play Overwatch in Steam. And TF2 is botted to max. Just look at these graphs. Why don't TF2 players ever go to sleep?

>>725143658
I only play QP. Why would I play ranked? To have people report me for not using perkslop?

>>725143991
tf2 had an update that removed all bots and it lost like 10k players
to this day the bots are not meaningfully back
the remainder are real players distributed more around the world instead of in any one region

>>725134517
>Kaplan was unsuccessful at getting any of his creative stories published for several years, receiving over 170 rejection notices in a single year. By 2000, he decided to drop creative writing, and spent his time playing video games
That’s why OW never had a story kek

I'll consider coming back if they gave Sombra some sexy skins that show off her legs and butt but they don't. So I make do with winning a match as her until I get POTG so I can jack to her getting Blacked as reward then don't touch the game for another three months

>>725143904
Right. So much fun having everything depend on did you kill the Mercy or not. And even when you do kill her sometimes this still happens. And when you don't have Mercy you might aswell leave.

>>725143991
>Most players don't play Overwatch in Steam
Trvke
I don't understand why, thougheverbeit, battle net is fucking trash. Everyone I know made the jump to steam without a second thought. I guess most OW players are autismos who really only play OW.

>>725144059
And TF2 just somehow is the only game with "magically evenly distirbuted players across the globe". Filter all the bots and you end up with 10k daily peak at most.

>>725143904
>have to play hide and seek with mercy every fight because the best strategy was swooping in after the enemy team use their ults
No it wasn't

>>725144223
right, and your pedophile game secretly has 500k players like you delusionally said here >>725137636

>>725144172
Even for me I rather launch Bnet and run it through that than install it 2nd time on Steam. Pretty sure only people who never played OW1 or 2 on Bnet to begin with, are playing it through Steam.

>>725144303
Pedophile game?

>>725144127
when retards play like retards, they need to be punished like retards. the reason why people lost to Mercy was because they fired all their ults and had nothing left when Mercy rezzed everyone

Rule one of making a fun online game: NEVER EVER EVER listen to comptrannies/e-sportsfags

>>725143904
Kill yourself.

>>725144302
hiding instead of healing meant that your team is playing 5v6. it's an auto-lose, if the other team doesn't suck ass. this is why I mentioned retards

OW2 probably has like 120k players if we're being realistic.
What's funny is that those are incredible numbers, but I mentioned it once on leddit and all the retards got mad because they believe it's rougly 1M players kek

>>725144446
What a bunch of retards using their abilities to defeat the enemy. They should just not use their abilities and be prepared to kill them twice. Or be forced to play Mercy themselves because the idea of giving everyone 2nd life is fundamentally retardedly overpowered.

>>725143212
6v6 wasn’t the reason for shields meta. It was entirely caused by Orisa who got reworked.

>>725131979 (OP)
For one thing, it's been ten god damn years of the same paper thin game. 99% of everyone and 95% of gamers do not give a flying shit about sweaty, cancerous, retarded gay faggot nigger e-"""sports.""" And without any PvE or even NEW PvP modes, all that's left is to amuse yourself with the one thing to do until it gets boring in a week. That and all the pr0n.

>>725134712
the reason for it was hilarious too
the head writer at the time was a simp for some pharmercy shipper on twitter (cleartogether) and was pushing a bunch of interactions hinting that they were going to get together (such as Mercy saying she had her eye on someone, to the point where Genji and Mercy started becoming less friendly with each other)
then that writer got fired and now they've toned that down, and Genji and Mercy have positive interactions again.
Meanwhile cleartogether gets BTFO'd off the internet and privates their twitter because Pharah's VA is pro-israel and they had a mental breakdown over it.

>>725131979 (OP)
>steals your playerbase

Gonna be even worse tomorrow when Rogue and Gambit get revealed.

>>725131979 (OP)
When overwatch came out it had 0 players on steam.

>>725143564
Completely agree with everything. The making of Orisa was malicious by the devs to completely change how the game is played. Even though she got reworked but the philosophy of making her permanently damaged the game.
Get the game back to Roadhog Winston Reinhardt Zarya Dva and all the issues will disappear overnight.

>>725145012
all of the grifters who went to rivals are already coming back to overwatch, game killed itself in just a year with awful meta and design choices

>>725145942
May I ask genuinely what are the current issues with her thats ruining or is bad for the game? I am a very casual login do dailies player and don't pay much attention to these things and am curious

>>725145012
>implying

>>725145012
Last time I remember that people were complaining about dive in rivals lmao some things never change

Why is every new hero so bad and boring and just a different mix of the old heroes abilities?

>>725146849
throw some cool new abilities at me

>>725131979 (OP)
I never understood the overwatch hype. I played the original beta and it was so unoptimized and the gameplay was boring as fuck compared to TF2 and they wanted $40 on release for it

>>725131979 (OP)
they balanced it to death

>>725146378
Basically what he said >>725143564
It ruins it for casuals, because you no longer can play tanks casually since you’re the only one and the match entirely depends on you. The team as I said is also chained to the one tank and has a limited space based on his vicinity. The point of two tanks was to take away as much damage from dps so they don’t need to be constantly healed.
Finally a good tank needs good healers so basically dps got sidelined.

>>725147043
The grab of Lifeweaver is a cool one, but the team isn’t consistent most of the new heroes are trash.

Rivals is vastly better and sexier
Even has PvE now

You are a genuine cuck if you play ow2 in current year

>>725147470
>cuck if you play ow2
this was true since the release of ow2

>>725145942
Roadhog was always cancer and remains cancer. I prefer even the modern stock of homogenized universally powerful supertanks designed for 5v5 over Hog.